What can we learn from Turtle WoW? | Vanilla Plus | World of Warcraft

[@sgcandrewkard]

Leveling my third character on twow now, and I love all the new content. The best part about it is how if you didn't know it was custom content you probably couldn't tell as it is seamlessly integrated into the game. It's a small thing but releasing a new dungeon and then like 85% of the loot pool being dog shit you'd never equip is great. Everything feels like it is a continuation of the original design philosophies.

[@blastermaster5039]

I love Gilneas so much that I will really miss Turtle Wow if I ever go to any other server.

[@hawaiinxb3ast828]

“One man’s crack is another man’s treasure”

[@wazzupman245]

Truly shakespearean

[@SamLMoarDrumz]

Killed me 😂

[@TheLevitatingChin]

Gayeeee😊

[@AndrewRussell-dz8zy]

On Friday night in the locker room, it can be the whole football team's treasure.

[@Mcdoubles]

Kek

[@Jubafree]

Donation shop carried us, thats what other pservers have to learn. They made money and invest it back to the project thats what turtle wow made big.

[@ahetzel9054]

I finally just started playing turtle wow. Definitely enjoying it so far

[@SolheimGaming]

As someone with 500 hours on that server I can say it's been an amazing journey.

[@andrelanghanke5034]

Is it still worth playing turtle?

[@vadim6656]

why is turtle good? im so done with blizzard my sub just ended...

[@trinexx2600]

@@andrelanghanke5034 it is always worth playing, 700 hours played on twow here!

[@danieldeme1940]

@@andrelanghanke5034 yes, lots of players still leveling, im currently lvl 26 human, lots of friendly people in the starting zones

[@codrin2941]

@@vadim6656 free, new dungeons, new zones, new items, huge community, new races, new talents, a lot of mods, hardcore

[@ByTebn-u9t]

Casual play with a strong sense of community, hardlined and strict banning of rwt and banned pay to raid loot, and building upon lore in a wc3 and story. This will gain you a loyal and happy player base that stays invested. The same 1.12 content Fresh is boring. Go play retail if you want this.

[@PyroEmbrace]

They didn't neglect the journey to 60, leveling is fun again.

[@blastermaster5039]

I love how they made sure dungeons and some areas hard or even impossible to solo, keeping players to depend on each other.

[@CatholicJedi]

This is classic McDouble’s content I’ve been jonesing for lately. Keep it up champ!

[@simonbartha6934]

Tbh best private server I have ever played

[@kettorizor]

I really tried giving Turtle Wow a try and leveled until 32 as a paladin but holy shit the vanilla client is not without its flaws.

[@Colouras]

Very true, with ShaguTweaks, Vanillafixes, Superwow, and Nampower it started running supersmooth for me. I sincerely recommend checking it out if you havent.

[@americanvirtues]

Get Pfui and vanillafixes and you are golden my friend

[@antonkokic]

even with vfixes and other stuff client is soooo ancient and rough. 3.3.5. is so much better but 1.15. from official classic/sod is next level better.

[@HerrHoppenstedt]

I understand you. Though i have fun, the "vanilla" client is one rough road to walk on. No huge surprise, it was the first iteration of the game. Turtle wow does get a launcher soon though, that will smooth it out further. For all non-geeks for easier setup and convenience.

[@EB-bl6cc]

yeah definitely needs addons lol. 1 item per mail and stuff like that is so rough

[@naejimba]

I'm not a vanilla guy, but I respect the hell out of this server.

[@ahetzel9054]

I'm not either but I just started playing it and I am enjoying it so far. Only level 25 though

[@AeeanPlays]

If i have the urge to play WoW, it's turtle and i enjoy it.

[@BangNguyenVuTrong]

man i love turtle wow , i cant stop playing my Enhancement Shaman after the update

[@Bobsponge3521]

@@BangNguyenVuTrong enhancement shaman is very bad, worst dps at 60. Terrible in pvp, also windfury is bugged and only has 10%proc chance.

[@CatEarDad]

The fact that I can see monster's and players' draw distance further on a 1.1.2 client then most 3.3.5 says it all for me. Passion beats business every time.

[@chrisk1458]

Get wow tweaks and vanillafixes too.

[@BundyBro_]

Im not a fan of vanilla gameplay at all, but turtle definitely made me check em out. Im glad there are servers out there now that arent just copy/pasta X realm X rates that die within a year. Ive been playing private servers on and off since 2007, and its great to see how far the scene has come.

[@Darkstorm299]

I'm enjoying the Fire lock playstyle while leveling. Just nearly one shotting mobs. Only problem is the fire immunities on MC and BWL once I hit 60.

[@nathanedwards4657]

Go shadow spec!

[@Dartsport94]

Man i wish you would go back and level your shaman again! I loved those videos and still go back to watch the old turtle wow videos regularly

[@hruod16]

Started to play twow after your vid dropped last year. Twow keeps the ret pala dream alive

[@SilverFoxGames1177]

Is that Shadowed Unit Frames add on that is giving you the animated health bars? I love that UI. Do you have an add on list or video? Thanks.

[@OfDeath]

Played to lvl 60 with a friend who never played wow before. We had such a good time exploring twow and leveling up. Once we hit 60 we were a bit burnt out by it and switched to LOTRO. I for one am very much looking forward to twow 2! I will be playing the heck out of that version.

[@ahetzel9054]

Twow 2? Is that the unreal engine version?

[@OfDeath]

@ahetzel9054 yes it is!

[@Christian_Bagger]

Vanilla WoW was so revolutionary on many aspects. WoW was a cutting edge game that pushed the envelope. Why do games continuously patch their games today. Vanilla wow. It was headed in that direction anyway, it was not the first game that did it. But it was that game that did it so comprehensively and to a whole standard. That was also one of the justification as to why you paid a monthly sub. People were used to, when they bought a game it was with warts and all. They were also more ready to go, more time in the oven.. but that’s one area WoW pushed the envelope.

[@LightisMyStrength]

Turtle WoW is on the right path. The new fresh classic anniversary servers look sus. I might give them a try, but you're right with what you said. Twow's philosophy is overall better than Blizzard's vision for their ideal WoW server. Thanks for the video, Mcdoubles 🤙

[@Chris-xr6jg]

I'd really enjoy a video with your insights on how you opinions have changed/remained the same from before to after being on the inside of working on in the "scene."

[@samename1st]

Woodworking is a concept wasted on Ascension. I feel most crafting on Ascension has limited value, as you get gear from other sources so much faster & will likely out level the equipment before you can make it. Things with no substitute or much cheaper are still worth the time, but most are callboard value only. The high-risk stuff brings some value back. I always viewed professions in WoW as either augmenting (almost reqired for end game) or alternative ways to gear. Always felt the max level armor should be more comparable to raid tiers, & the weapons be best-in-slot. Vanilla had more of this with crafted items being required. The other purpose was to save gold on things you could or had to buy, ammo and bags being the main ones. Woodworking could fill almost all the gaps in gear alternatives (shields, staves, bows, relics) and consumables (seeds, arrows, sybols). With adding Jewelcrafting, this needs to be th next step. If Ascension can share the code with Turtle, that will help their team out.

[@Zhawk1992]

Random question, but what addon is being used to give the player/NPCs an animated portrait? That is so cool! Think I'm just a big fan of how McDoubles has his UI set up in general.

[@kethlock117]

@@Zhawk1992 don’t know exactly what he’s using, but on Twow, the addon called pfUi will give you unit frames with animated portraits that look like that.

[@HerrHoppenstedt]

"Xperl" is the addon that gives you the 3d animated portraits.

[@Zhawk1992]

@@HerrHoppenstedt yo thank you! 🙏🏻 Getting my addons together for anniversary realms later this week.

[@ptjokkz8005]

Xpearl addon, same Zpearl (original 1.12.1 patch)

[@garethdodds]

Love TWoW

[@tehnix4419]

why is CoA not that kind of server you're talking about? turtle wow world but with CoA classes?

[@keleitas150]

probably cause ascension prefer mechanics over being true to the mmorpg. they definitely can learn a thing or two from twow though, we'll see with their new classic+ server but if they just put the ascension formula to classic plus content i'm not positive about the results

[@supersoaker317]

​@@keleitas150honestly back when they had made you able to use the original classes it was so fun I wish they never removed that. The enchants worked so well with the classes and made them so much fun. This was quite awhile ago.

[@NATEDAWGG79]

Great video and a fantastic server! I hope Asencion's Original 9 Classic+ will be just as good but with some new flavor! Also Can you tell me where to get that action bar addon sir?

[@milesmorales5271]

Turtle Dragonflight UI, I believe it’s called

[@NATEDAWGG79]

@@milesmorales5271 Thanks man! I guess Mcdoubles trying to keep to himself

[@milesmorales5271]

@@NATEDAWGG79 He’s a busy guy lol, probably developing atm

[@patriciofuentes24]

What are all these addons McDoubles is using? The map and UI looks a lot better

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

Rly like turtle's take on classic+, i just dont commit to it cus i think its lacking some QoL things, like getting any addon to work there is a chore

[@RetMagnetik]

Theres gonna be a launcher tomorrow thats gonna make that easier :3c

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

@RetMagnetik ohh i'll need to check it out then

[@VeNoMz_]

@@kaicrodrigues2578 Yup, literally 2 button presses to update all addons.

[@JunkratJoules]

Was hoping to hear some info on the new patch, haven't played on TWOW since last may 2024. By the way guys, gardening & survival are separate secondary professions. If 1.17.2 is out now, I think there's also a new primary profession. Maybe it's time to come back, is the Tower of Karazhan open? I got tired of killing KT and all other raids every week.

[@ThePalo48]

The patch is out, has been for more than a week now. Idk if raid's open but class changes have been in for a little while now.

[@ptjokkz8005]

Yeap, jewelcraft added

[@NiccoH34db4ng]

I have played TWOW on and off in this last year so I want to share my opinion,first of all if you want the absolute best leveling experience in all WOW history this is the server you need to play,and when you'll transition from a classic WOW zone to a custom new TWOW made zone you'll understand why,it's seamless,they simply did what Blizzard failed to do,Gilneas in TWOW is what Gilneas was supposed to be and not that shit seen in Cataclysm. Then comes the cross faction,I know this is controversial because people want to PVP all the time but players arent supposed to be soldier,they are adventurers so it's perfectly fine in my opinion that outside structured PVP we can be safe,if someone don't agree can go play toxic servers like Warmane where in some zones you can't play. The classes are excellent,I'm playing hunter and after the last update I have a lot of choice on how to build my PG. But then why I play on and off? Well I'm not a PVE raider anymore,I really can't spend 2-3 hours earing people talk in voice chat,I don't have the patience so my end game doesn't exists since i can't do normal pre raid dungeons because for some reason I can't find group,I'm in a guild but they only farm raids. I like structured PVP but TWOW is stuck with the old ranking system and I don't like it,I want to do a BG and get rewarded if I do well and win,I want currency that lets me get gear and this seems won't ever happen in TWOW. Last negative thing is the client,with a WOTLK client loading times are istant and I have 180 FPS,with TWOW client the game takes forever to load and frame rates are lower than 60 FPS,macros don't work well and there are few compatible addons.

[@blastermaster5039]

Give Horde the Ogre race. Give Alliance Space goats.

[@gakhouse1636]

Whats the population like and is character transfer a thing? Tried the last fresh launch on pvp server and faction imbalance was real, literally couldnt quest in any zone

[@Sinodashayla]

There’s an established and original main PvE server with anywhere from 3k to 7k players consistently throughout the day, and a PvP server that’s honestly, significantly less popular yet is still played on. I personally would recommend rolling on the PvE server. There is cross-faction party so you can always find a group for all the content.

[@gakhouse1636]

@Sinodashayla nice I assumed the population had dropped across the board but seems everyone flocked to pve after pissing each other off so much 😂

[@ptjokkz8005]

But u still can see allot of world pvp cause turtle wow have a “war mode”(permanent pvp on challenge with +30% xp from all sources) and it’s quite allot of people using this one.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Unfortunately, the hype around turtle wow has brought in a lot of toxic players lately. All the griefing and trolling from Blizzard Classic servers is coming in.

[@abwesend182]

Yes and no. They also were around almost 3 years ago when I started there. We had some pretty bad ppl over the years but fortunally in absolute minority.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

@@abwesend182 I'm about to submit a resume with them to be a mod. Stuff's got crazy in the last couple of weeks.

[@HerrHoppenstedt]

Name one online community without annoying players...

[@wvjeepguy8178]

@@HerrHoppenstedt Turtle WoW has traditionally had a very low griefer and troll level due to strict enforcement of rules.

[@blastermaster5039]

I am just thankful that the server is an RP server, minimizing the world griefing as well as drawing the world griefers to be more moderate with their actions so they can interact more with the playerbase in a healthy manner.

[@Fierceknight-m9e]

As a new player, I love every minute of it. Just to make everyone’s minds at ease, I haven’t had an issue with downloading, and playing yet. Just to be clear, make sure you always don’t play on a pc with ur info on it. Then have all the fun you want! I just did the deadmines instance last night, and had a blast with that new content.

[@chrisk1458]

Why shouldnt be Info on the PC? The game cant install or read anything outside its folder

[@Fierceknight-m9e]

@ well if it gets hacked, download link gets replaced, addons, etc I would never keep taxes, finances, and other important information on that machine with those along with the private server client. It’s just common sense.

[@chrisk1458]

@@Fierceknight-m9e wtf ? U seem the kind of guy having his birthday-passwords all in a .txt on desktop

[@Fierceknight-m9e]

@@chrisk1458 that makes no sense dude

[@chrisk1458]

@@Fierceknight-m9e only for you

[@erikgiggey4783]

i tried turtlewow but had video issues, the resolutions were unplayable with my main computer, i could not find a way to get the resolution high enough it looked horrible and was unplayable, i like full screen and couldnt get 5120x1440 to work, works in retail and ascension with 0 problems, i would love to play an old school rogue aka my first raiding class. ahh the memories of being number 1 in MC using full defias gear and 2 worn daggers, rogues really didnt scale with gear well but it was so fun, i did only have full bloodfand with perd blade main hand and core hound tooth offhand. loved it

[@AlexSage91]

When the unreal client comes out, I highly suggest giving it a shot. Sadly the 1.12 client has not aged well. And stuff like vanilla fixes can help but it's literally a 20 year old client.

[@ultrafeng4653]

You'll need to download vanillatweaks and vanillafixes, I had the same issue until I found out the game was defaulting my resolution to my tiny side monitor.

[@chrisk1458]

There a wowtweaks exe to make the client run stable with high FPS and no bugs.

[@Gavvernater]

how much custom content is actually in Turtle wow?

[@Sinodashayla]

@@Gavvernater A LOT. Custom quests & questlines, quest hubs, zones, dungeons/raids, new factions & rep rewards, class balancing & changes. It’s extensive and definitely worth checking out!!

[@ahetzel9054]

I'm only level 25 but so far I've done 2 dungeons(wailing caverns & deadlines) both had additional bosses in new custom areas of the dungeons but it didn't feel like they were "added" it just felt like they were bosses that had always been there. Their custom content feels so seamless it's insane. I've done a lot of custom quests as well. It was pretty cool running into a quest and being like "what? I don't remember this quest" since I've done the leveling so many times I can pretty much do it in my sleep except in Twow since there are so many custom quests. It's refreshing not actually knowing where to go and having to take a second to think about it.

[@joezar33]

Man , Really enjoy their Gilneas dungeon , I only got to level 50 thus far , I most really enjoy it keep pumping out my $$$💰 to the donation shop , with their new model skins

[@ptjokkz8005]

Tons, tons new items, I mean lvling items, u can grab interesting custom items while lvling, for example u can get a trinket for +2hp per 5 sec on lvl 12 as horde, trinket +4 attack power.

[@ptjokkz8005]

Mostly each zone have a new custom sub zone in open world.

[@danielclavijo3005]

what addons do u use

[@sinnshii3285]

McDoubles server soonTM xD?

[@KM-fm9ms]

I tried TWoW but couldn't get over original class design. IMO, class design doesn't get enjoyable until Wrath. For that reason I stuck with Ascension, 3 years ago, after leaving the hot garbage scene known as retail.

[@chrisk1458]

I think they changed enough to make classes fun.

[@TRP_7022]

As someone who vehemently hates the Turtle WoW Dev Team for their approach on many things that have nothing to do with running/developing a private server…I have to admit that they are the perfect kind of team to replace Blizzard. I think that’s why they are doing so well. They’ve shown they just don’t care about the players that MAY come and only care for the ones that remain. A decision that has doomed Blizzard in terms of content creation AND staff.

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

love your content , love turtle wow team

[@Pengalen]

How do you build a private server?

[@keleitas150]

don't get me wrong, i love twow and it's still the best server around imo. but i think they could be a little more conservative with some class changes. it isn't as bad as i thought in the begininning, but ret paladins feels a step into retail mechanics.

[@blastermaster5039]

I hope they rebuff Hamstring from 6 sec cooldown to perhaps 4 sec. I dunno. 😅

[@abwesend182]

TurtleWoW is way bigger when you count all servers^^ last numbers I heared from SEA servers alone from a few months ago was around 75000 (yea I not misstyped that number)

[@christianconklin6473]

Twow ftw!

[@LiamAndrews-gh5ok]

For me this is how I see modern MMORPG's and why they fail. 1.) They try to reinvent the wheel, Developers try to tell you how this is the most efficient way to gear. They try to tell you that all healers need to play the same, all DPS need a stun. Then to counteract some developers be like I'll create this and this class won't have this because of this niche so I'm just gonna do this for this reason and ya. Deal with it. OH PS as the dev I don't play it but whatever. That type of thing is just stupid. We see this in CoA they try to reinvent their healers to not have a filler spammable heal because they use rage / energy? Straying away from a base functional foundation. Taking away core functional foundations for no basis reason besides the fact they designed and say so. When no game in history strays from the foundation. For example DPS they need a spender, filler (single and AOE) and then buttons in between. (We don't take a filler and make it obeselet because the DPS class happens to have Energy instead of rage.) The filler is still there and usable but cadenced. *COUGH* DO SOMETHING MCDOUBLES WHY DO SOME HEALERS NOT HAVE SPAMMABLE FILLER CAPABILITY? We see this in retail WoW when they try to make Mistweaver, Holy Paladin and Resto Druid be able to fist weave / crusader strike / catweave to heal. Totally unhealthy, totally not okay. Turtle WoW didn't reinvent the wheel they improved the shortcoming and they kept the racial and talents still at the supbar level, not reinventing the wheel at all. Utility, class diversity, class roles are still all prevalent. Which is why I fear the "support DPS roles in CoA" most of em should be scrapped. 2.) They try to tell you its fun and they don't actually play it all, developers need to play the content . Anything new they design or shove in your face they don't test in all phases of content, Mythic, Heroic, Normal, Casual, Mythic + They don't compare its performance to the others classes. Turtle WoW fixed grinds and listened to the community and they actually play the content and compare performances. Then they tune to bring it all to a fun and fair play field. 3.) Greed. Modern MMORPG's just want consistent ez cashflow and constantly want to go for seasonal passes and seasonal content. We see cash grabs in New World, Throne and Liberty, etc. Which devalues your work as a player if you spent hours and days and weeks on getting geared knowing in 3 months it doesn't mean a thing. *** No balance between it :(( They need money I get it. But hey we need good content / gameplay.

[@zig21]

rip holy shock dmg.

[@Shokisan1]

Whoa i also had a mage named boomboi. On classic, not turtle. Let's play on turtle. Hit me up next time you're on the Nordnaar server.

[@Huckle_Billy]

The main thing we learn is that people would rather play a knock off game instead of supporting the actual game.

[@ThyFleshConsumed]

Classic fresh is out now tho

[@ZaThrint]

Turtle WoW is what made me quit mainline WoW. At this point, I have no reason to play Blizzard's at this point

[@spencernorris5938]

TWOW is CRACKED. TWOW Fresh TWOW Fresh.

[@theterriblepuddle1830]

A lot of lessons of what not to do

[@gearhead417]

I really wanted to get into TWoW but my problem was really how slow everything felt. I wasnt looking for Ascension speeds of leveling but man it felt like every quest too 30 minutes at times and because of the way tagging works you could be sitting there for longer. The custom stuff is really cool and interesting but man vanilla WoW base content is like really boring and does not interest me at all.

[@chrisk1458]

Play a mage, aoe farm, ez. Or Play hardcore mode. You will be thankful the game is mostly slow

[@gearhead417]

@@chrisk1458 that doesnt really fix the problem because questing is just really slow.

[@ahetzel9054]

I felt that way too, I've tried turtle wow many times in the past but always hated vanilla leveling speed. Lately I've been in the mood for that slow grind though so I'm finally getting into. I don't know why I'm down for slow leveling right now, I just am. I think you really have to be in that mindset where you're more interested in the journey than the destination.

[@Kimjael]

hello nice video, can you tell me addon interface? i love it

[@leverflick]

Its dragonflight ui i think, you can find it on forums

[@Confusedpuggies]

That's a funny way to say modern gaming is ass

[@pate7816]

turtle wow doesnt care about pvp unfortunately

[@BioDestiny]

TW for me is love and nostalgia for players who remember warcraft 3 and like the arthas story, only i want in the future is turtle wow go for wowlk too but without flying mounts, no teleport automatic to dungeons, and dk start at lvl 1 for example, etc.

[@Jeff.dempster]

I'm so confused mcdoubles is a coa dev but making videos on other privates. What happened to coa!!!

[@hrosofkenterprise9768]

No one forbids him from doing that

[@Jeff.dempster]

​@@hrosofkenterprise9768 Who said he can't lol? Just seems odd we just copying videos from other turtle wow creators when.that seems so cool but backburnered it seems

[@joezar33]

​@@Jeff.dempsterHe said he was working on runescape Wow as well. I'm not sure if he is actually a dev or a game tester for the servers. Probably gives feedback on what works and what doesn't, if I had to take a guess 🤔

[@dreaderus]

@@joezar33 prob yeah just if hes spread out on other stuff, whats going on with COA? rune scape, turtle wow, or otherwise i fear that COA interest may be twiddling as this other stuff comes to the forefront

[@Heinous_tv]

forst

[@Khurb]

Sorry Mcdoubles, but you are different now.

[@dannyp9210]

We learned that the new patch is SoD'ifying the game and taking it too far away from Vanilla. Leveling is getting too easy and boring, dungeons and raids are getting too easy and boring, the PvP balance is worse etc. etc. Naxx is now completed 15 minutes faster than before! "But the game was already easy!". Yeah, don't trivialize it even more.

[@torrybrockert5750]

Nothing? Turtle WoW is gross, classic with cheats? Who cares?

[@joezar33]

Dafuq, u going on about ?