KING of Hall Effect Controllers | Flydigi Vader 4 Pro Review

[@detoi4371]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that the buttons can be rebound as keyboard keys. CZM1-4 can be used to output common modifiers like crtl, shift, alt, F1-12 etc. Unless flydigi removed that from their software

[@jubuttib]

You can see the M1-4 keys mapped to mouse and some keyboard keys when he first brings up the software. Should still be there.

[@Tuuvas]

Honestly, I'm not sure why I didn't specifically mention that. I think my (bad) assumption may have been thinking it was common knowledge at this point. But yes, literally all the buttons (except Home and Function) can be remapped to anything else. Gamepad buttons.. keyboard keys.. mouse clicks.. macros.. set as turbos.. etc.

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas That is AWESOME. I've been looking for a gamepad that gives me ACTUAL extra buttons and not just remaps of Xinput ones for a while now. And mostly to CPG the Apache... =)

[@Tuuvas]

Yup! Just keep in mind, the Flydigi software MUST be running to use the non-gamepad remaps like keyboard and mouse remaps

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas That's fine, I can live with that. I wish that it was possible to turn more of these devices to DirectInput mode instead of Xinput, and just let the buttons be generic controller buttons.

[@DiabeticDebuff]

I am utterly amazed by your presentation of information and attention to detail. Very professional man. My Vader 4 Pro comes in tomorrow and this was the perfect recap that I could have possibly asked for. Thank you!

[@xanthonjp]

Great review. Most detailed I've seen so far. Music is too loud though and not sure if it's necessary.

[@MistaFiOth]

This is THE best controller breakdown I've ever seen. Sold on the controller, the V3P was my favorite controller of all time as well. Kudos my man!

[@katanamaru1]

The MS Paint breakdown was amazing at explaining! Thank you. Also thanks for showing the difference of square and circle circularity in game.

[@ToastyTM]

ive been searching for months for someone who would test the stick wobble of this controller, you're the only person who has done that and it is so important to me.

[@y3eMAN]

Just wanna say you sir are a genius. Smartest controller review, presentation, I've seen on this controller without wasting a single word describing the product. Subscribed!!!! Amazing. Now lets go add this controller to my cart. 😅

[@PaperRouteFranky]

you've earned a subscription sir. Thank you for this. I've already owned the Vader 4 Pro for about 1 1/2 weeks and this was the most informative review yet!

[@StevenWaltersLicon]

Hello, on a scale of 1-10, may I have your score for the controller please

[@PaperRouteFranky]

@@StevenWaltersLicon 9/10 honestly the only thing i wish it was is a bit heavier. Amazing controller overall!!!

[@Phantoma3]

The music is too loud

[@brentsmith-d8h]

I could hardly hear my Baby Shark over the smooth Jazz! 😠

[@s7r49]

I was thinking it was too quiet

[@UnsungPhoenix]

Turn your volume down

[@GoldenKnight702]

@@Phantoma3 you’re old

[@Fantastic_Mr_Fox]

It's the same as DankPods' testing music. Show some respect

[@gui7torres]

Best controller’s review I saw on KZbin. Thanks!

[@mooseroom]

never thought i'd see such a detailed and properly broken down video of a controller. thank you for this mate

[@ralfidude]

Sweetie, wake up. Tuuvas finally did this video!!

[@n64slayer]

I love reviews that don't beat around the bush and give the the raw data. tbh I haven't cared once about how the plastic of the controller feels or how the controller feels slightly different in my hands. Mad props to you 👏

[@shampo0157]

Love the time you put in this video just got a new subscriber keep up the great work pal.

[@ofeklivny]

I really like the honest info and straighforward explanations, kudos! I will get this controller when its back to like 50$

[@I86282]

17:25. It is because the DPI measured in bits in this case. Is different for the gyro versus the thumb stick. So when it switches from the thumb stick which has a higher DPI. Or "more resolution." To the gyro which has lower DPI. Or " less resolution" . The amount of actuation per amount of actuation. Is greater with lower resolution. You literally just described the issue previously in this video. So I'm not sure how you're asking the question. But I hope this answers your question. Point is the controller software needs to have an adjustable DPI. Or in this case some specified bit rate. Tandem to the same thing. So that when the gyro is activated It's from the point of view in which you were aiming. Facilitating stability between the transition from thumb stick to gyro control. Is the thing is though. They have these settings in call of duty. At least call of duty mobile I think. For perhaps warzone. Or maybe they're just the regular game. But I'm pretty sure they have gyro settings. And I think one of them do that.! 👍👍🥓🙏

[@hitsukora]

How does the Vader 4 Pro do against the Apex 4? Are there any benefits to the Apex 4 still? Only things I really care about are Joysticks, Buttons and DPad feeling/accuracy, the extra features I am not too concerned about.

[@JohnSmith-XYZ]

just got one today. it's like the vader 3 pro but twice as good, with the apex 4 sticks. love it.

[@Fantastic_Mr_Fox]

I think the joystick center sensitivity setting indicates the steepness of the function thst determines sensitivity based on how close the joystick is to the center. Closer to the center, less sensitive, farther from the center, more sensitive.

[@cookiemonster4967]

Thank you so much for reviewing this controller. I need this info.

[@ToastyTM]

wow, the only person on KZbin who knows how to test controllers...

[@donnygunawan123]

i hope they updated the software for the direwolf 2 too.. i need that circle / square menu and also auto calibration mode

[@MadeOfEarth1]

AC Black Flag! What year is this?

[@forrestallison1879]

Hows the battery life?

[@cmdrbigity6914]

Could the gryo function be used in DCS as a rudder control?

[@carlitos05]

Upvoted for MS paint explanation

[@brentsmith-d8h]

You know a website is up and coming when they pay the MSPaint license fee.

[@hoodwinkiez]

I use this in my flying games, because the tension control allows me to not oversteer.

[@Basqui.]

I also use gyro + right analog stick for some of my games, but with a PS4 Controller. What I do so that the gyro does not interfere with the aiming sensitivity when using the analog stick is to set that gyro automatically gets disabled when the analog stick is used. I use steam controller settings to set that up, though, so I don't know if that's possible with you.

[@DamianDejmi]

Which controller should I buy. I can order flydigi only from China in my country. I have 100$ for it but I want the controller to last atleast 2 years. Im very gentle with my controller so they only can broke when poor quality. Im thinking about Apex 4 Vader 3/4 pro guilkit kk3 max or gamesir kaleid. Please help me beacuse my xbox series broke after 1,5 year. Im playing racing games and soulslike. Im thinking of playing fps on controller but its not main thing. Im playing only on Pc I just want this controller to have good quality and last long.

[@jardygiovan]

@@DamianDejmi I don't have my controller yet, but I'm researching a lot for the past month, and the conclusion I got is that Vader 4 Pro is the best option for comfort and longevity for many factors, and I would disclassify any controller with removable back buttons or swappable directional sets. If it is removable, is easily breakable based on a lot of user reviews. Finding negative reviews of Vader 4 has been a challenge compared to any other controller I know of.

[@DamianDejmi]

@@jardygiovan I have it for 2 weeks So good controller beating bosses in soulslike never benn such as good as now

[@146ix]

Would you say the Vader 4 is a good roller for competive CoD/Apex? My biggest gripe with HE stick rollers is the non-linear response curve most have, which makes them not usable for me as competitive fps's is what I mostly play. I just want a roller with 2 back buttons, 1000hz polling, and that it feels like a sony roller with alps sticks

[@Tuuvas]

According to Ana and Johnny Punch (well regarded controller testers), the linearity is near perfect on the Vader 4 Pro. I highly recommend looking up Ana's review of the V4Pro if you want specific tech specs

[@eliotcole]

Sorry, does anyone know which time in the review do I go to in order to hear about the d-pad?

[@viniciosdsgn]

When I remove the lock from the LT RT and leave it longer it doesn't work, only when I leave it short do you know why?

[@Tuuvas]

I have two possible guesses: 1. You're not on Dongle mode and are instead using Nintendo Switch (NS) mode or 2. You need to calibrate your device. If #2, you calibrate by turning on the controller, pressing and holding Start+Select+DpadUp until the light flashes, fully rotating both sticks couple times, pressing each trigger fully a couple times, then press Start+Select+DpadUp to finish calibrating.

[@viniciosdsgn]

@@Tuuvas Estoy en la pc, hice la calibración antes

[@riman8493]

Awesome review! Thank you very much! Been thinking of upgrading from my old, wired xbox 360 controller for a while. This looks like it will fit the bill! Cheers!

[@Tuuvas]

You will definitely be happy! Just keep in mind, this controller only works on PC/Android/iOS/Nintendo Switch.

[@riman8493]

@@Tuuvas I only play on PC, so should be golden.

[@yuca4534]

so its pretty much a elite series 2 with no stick drift?

[@parthmenon]

This is the best review of this controller. Can you store the map on the controller itself? I use SteamOS, not windows. Also, does the gyro work with the adapter? My Gulikit does not.

[@michaelgleason4791]

Any idea when these will be back in stock?

[@brentgamboa9426]

are the rear buttons, aka back buttons mechanical??? and how does the dpad feel? for fighting games exactly

[@Tuuvas]

The C, Z, M1, M2, M3, and M4 buttons are technically mechanical, but definitely not as clicky as the ABXY and Dpad. As for the d-pad for fighting games, my thoughts on that are at 17:42. In summary: fantastic.

[@brentgamboa9426]

@@Tuuvas Well that's a fucking good video! thank you for the response! and probably they've used the old mechanical buttons on those "extra" buttons so I'm fine with that as long as the dpas and primary buttons feel good

[@freelancer1499]

Can I ask what are the differences between the Black and Limited edition white version? Do the buttons, sticks, or texture of the pad feel different? Thanks!

[@Tuuvas]

Absolutely no difference other than the visuals

[@ALLINHP]

Hello hello! I bought a Vader 4 Pro, everything is fine in it, but I don't understand what's wrong with the vibration, some kind of unpleasant buzzing is coming from, is everyone the same? Or is it just me?!

[@gabrielng6061]

thx for this, please i need to know if i can remap C button to execute TWO COMMANDS BUTTON double button Rstick+Lstick in one single press in C extra button

[@146ix]

do you know how to completely reset the flydigi vader 4 pro. after i calibrated it it felt worse n nothing im resetting makes it feel better

[@jubuttib]

I take slight issue with the polling rate explanation, mainly because the devices get polled at a (more or less) constant rate, and the actual delay depends on when exactly the state change happens in relation to the polling. So if you had a 1 Hz polling rate, and you pressed the button right after the device had been already polled, you'd have to wait for a second before the next poll would register the press. If you pressed the button 999 ms after a poll, the next poll would happen 1 ms later and the press would be registered almost instantly. Basically you could have almost anything between 1 second and 1 millisecond as the delay caused by the polling rate. Sometimes I wish we could still do interrupt based input devices more easily... =)

[@Tuuvas]

Lol I'll be honest, I did consider adding a "timing" portion to this explanation, but it would've added unnecessary bloat to an already confusing topic. I made the regretful decision to keep things simple.

[@jubuttib]

@@Tuuvas Fair, but I still take issue! =) I tend to think about the polling rate as annoying kids in the backseat going "Are you pressing it yet?" over and over, and the faster the polling rate the more annoying the kids... =)

[@vovazagach1781]

So what setting I should use for comfort gaming?

[@Tuuvas]

Leave it on the highest setting. If you experience any weirdness like choppy movement, lower it.

[@vovazagach1781]

@@Tuuvas Thanks 👍

[@KeonCojuangco]

Why is my Vader 4 Pro recognized as Vader 3 Pro Eva? Is it just mine?

[@FatherlessChild.Since1997]

Once I heard Tension adjusting dials I was sold 😂

[@everythinkwewant]

i have it, and its really good!!

[@musek5048]

when testing this on warzone did you find that the joystick debounce and calibration function helped or hinder your aiming and movement? i have mine set to off right now since their description recommends you leave it off for FPS games but i'm curious to know if you felt a difference or not. great review by the way, i just got this controller yesterday and i'm blown away so far with how good these sticks feel.

[@princearthuraboganda1793]

should I get this instead of the apex 4, if they were equally priced

[@holisticfern]

can you turn off the gyro?

[@Tuuvas]

Yes

[@shfd3832]

Thanks for explanation❤❤

[@shotarcherz1690]

Do you know if the apex 4 will get a circularity update instead of just rectangular mode?

[@Amon-gh1ex]

hey Tuuvas, imo, if you want to check tension of the joystick, you can use a piece of paper

[@theleftfootedsultan]

I saw some early concerns about the tension dials, either fear of moving them by mistake or just general criticism that there’s seemingly no way to lock them in place. I assume you didn’t have any issues, because it didn’t come up?

[@Tuuvas]

Correct. I've had zero issue with accidentally bumping them out of my desired tension zone, and they have enough friction that they wouldn't just spin out of place while aggressively shaking the controller. No issues there for mine.

[@HelloImCrimson]

Its literally impossible to bump them or touch them accidentaly

[@joshua767]

I wanted to ask whether you can use analog triggers and gyro at the same time, I've been looking for a controller and i heard switch controllers won't allow to do both, and my best option is a PS4 controller (spark n5)

[@Tuuvas]

So, the reason for that is because most controllers that have a "Nintendo Switch Controller" mode, like NS mode shown for this Vader 4 Pro, turns the analog triggers into digital on/off buttons. This is because the Nintendo Switch doesn't actually use analog triggers for any of its controllers. That said, you can absolutely use both analog triggers and a gyro at the same time with this Vader 4 Pro. Just don't use NS mode, and instead use dongle mode.

[@joshua767]

@@Tuuvas thanks a lot for the help

[@filipstojanovic8975]

Hello, will I be able to play COD via steam with the vader 4 pro? As in all buttons are available, usable and remapping supported? Or do I have to do it over battlenet.

[@Tuuvas]

You can with Steam. Just make sure the Flydigi Space Station software is running and has the remaps you want

[@filipstojanovic8975]

@@Tuuvas Thx

[@astrea555]

Excellent. I love how you use a flight sim to test the joystick, great idea! Thank you. About the Gyro issue you mention, this looks normal to me because you likely set the gyro output to... a right stick output. Obvious this is going to add up to the existing physicial right stick output. The reason people like Gyro aiming is that with an app like DS4W you can output the gyro to a mouse instead. This way the output of both at the same time shouldn't conflict. I'm actually still on the fence about this controller because nobody testing it atm seems to know how to setup gyro for videogames even though it should be straight forward: just use the Flydigi app to output the gyro to mouse movement.. Which I don't even know if they offer this option, dunno if they support emulating mouse to right stick (useful for some games), I don't know if this controller is otherwise supported in DS4W app, I don't know how Rewasd or Steam Input would recognize it and if 3axis Gyro would be recognized on both, etc etc. I'm only familiar with Gyro aiming on a Dualsense and it's perfect with DS4W but obviously Dualsenses have a stick drift issue so I'm looking to replace it.

[@Tuuvas]

See, I thought that as well regarding the gyro issue just adding onto the right stick since I was moving it too. But as you can see at 17:00, I made sure to keep the controller planted on the table. This allowed me to activate the gyro without actually moving it, and despite that I still saw the jump in the input.

[@imleozx2808]

Do I have to eject the dongle properly ? Or I can eject it straight away without any issue.

[@Tuuvas]

I never choose the eject option, but you should still take care not to remove it while saving a profile, performing a firmware update, etc.

[@Linux88899]

should i buy EasySMX X10 or xbox controller for single player gaming on pc?

[@TheSkepticSkwerl]

You actually divide the polling time in half and add that to the other options. Because you poll every 60 seconds. If the flag raised at 59s and you poll at 60. It was 1 second delay there. But on average it'll be 30. Where the 10hz polling rate would be 3s average. And so on.

[@Zefyron667]

Great review, I do have a question though; how noisy are the face buttons when they click? Compared to, say, a standard xbox series controller?

[@Tuuvas]

The sound is about as loud as the dpad on an Xbox Series controller. It's not the same type of sound, but loudness is about the same. Same goes for the Vader 4 Pro dpad.

[@김민호-c9i]

does it connect by Bluetooth to the steam deck out of the box? cause I saw it doesn't with PC

[@xDShot9000]

Dongle on Xinput, Bluetooth on Xinput, Switch Mode

[@sharkinu3032]

Hey Tuuvas I just bought this order and I am planning some dcs on it. Do you mind sharing some of the important settinf adjustments relative to the game ?

[@Tuuvas]

All the settings adjustments I would recommend are in the tutorial I linked at the end of the video. Everything after that is per-user preference. So things like axis tune.. graphics settings.. Force Trim behavior.. etc. Just play with DCS and browse through the different options to see what all you can adjust to your tastes.

[@vulcan4d]

So hard to give up the Xbox chat pad.....

[@jersonlucero4611]

great review. i was wondering what is the battery life with full rumble and rgb on

[@Msfasolin]

Does it have adaptive trigger?

[@Tuuvas]

The triggers at best only have a haptic feedback feature, but no definitely not force feedback like in the Apex 4 or DualSense

[@Y_G_R_E_K]

Hello thx for the video, im waiting my own vader 4 pro as well, Its for warzone / black ops 6 do u think we need to enable auto calibration joystick ? Or we need to put this off ?

[@Tuuvas]

It wouldn't hurt to enable as it only happens when you put the controller down for several seconds. It's mostly helpful for changing your thumbstick tension on the fly

[@Y_G_R_E_K]

@ ok thanks you for the answer ! :)

[@pondtheerachot454]

In ur opinion, Xbox wireless controller and Vader 4 pro which one you think it’s better and recommend?

[@Tuuvas]

Want to play on Xbox? Xbox controller. Want to play on PC, Android, iOS, or Switch? Vader 4 Pro absolutely. Still want to play on Xbox anyways? Vader 4 Pro + costly adapter that might allow it to work

[@pondtheerachot454]

@@Tuuvas Okay, Thank you

[@DokSpec]

Awesome Video.. i love my vader 4 pro. I Hope you get the machenike g6 pro starlight too compare

[@αεεμ-ω5σ]

Flydigi controllers are durable?

[@bakerman_xd]

hey nice review

[@docholliday1811]

Awesome, thank you.

[@Tuuvas]

No problem, Doc!

[@bustamove5787]

Work on Xbox x?

[@athanasiosklaras4355]

Great review just got mine following your stellar overview and I can’t believe how incredible it feels to use! Really top notch quality! Had a question however maybe you know what’s going on - in CoD my a/b x/y buttons are flopped is there any reason if it’s registering as an Xbox layout controller for this to happen? I can override with steam input but would like to know why if possible. Thank you and great work

[@Tuuvas]

Only reason I can think of is if you're using "NS" mode on the back instead of the dongle icon mode. Other than that... I can't be sure outside manually switching buttons around using the Flydigi space station application

[@athanasiosklaras4355]

@ thanks for the reply! I just checked and it’s totally opposing that side, not sure what the icon is maybe dongle? I did some research and you don’t think there could be any conflict due to using a PS5 controller prior? I had installed the Sony PS accessory app as well…anyway super appreciate the feedback! Thanks again

[@ALEX336X]

This can be used wired on Xbox?

[@Tuuvas]

No. PC, Android, iOS, and Nintendo Switch are the only officially supported devices

[@ALEX336X]

@@Tuuvas yeah, thanks. Apparently there are adapters you can buy that make it usable on Xbox. The controller was actually in stock at Amazon so I grabbed one. Worse case scenario I just use it on PC.

[@Phoenix5uper]

anyone was use on this controller can info 800mah how many hours can it last ?

[@ChristianTM-_-s]

Awesome review!

[@D2firetech]

Great video could you rev6the machenike g6 pro starflash? No one has

[@Wexuh]

Do you have to charge if you only use wired?

[@Tuuvas]

USB cable will keep it charged. I haven't tested to see if it depletes energy faster than it charges... but I can't imagine that being the case.

[@Wexuh]

@@Tuuvas appreciate it

[@vovazagach1781]

What do you mean by USB cable will keep it charged?,

[@Tuuvas]

The controller has a battery. And a USB C cable connected to a power source will charge the controller...

[@vovazagach1781]

@@Tuuvas So the controller works from battery even if I use cable? So what should I do when battery dies, get a new controller or what, I wanna know can I play only with cable without using the battery at all?

[@001wizeman]

Kontrol freeks fit?

[@Eagle015]

You should add the controller layouts for the fc2024 planes😊

[@ryozaki96]

I don't like how the 5th and 6th buttons are awkwardly placed

[@shfd3832]

Suggest a controller that imitates dual sense adaptive triggers and Haptic feedback

[@xDShot9000]

Apex 4

[@abhijeetdey]

Is this wireless on xbox?

[@Tuuvas]

Only PC, Android, iOS, and Nintendo Switch are officially supported

[@ghostgaming25771]

Once my Xbox controller finally needs a retire I will for sure be getting the Vader 4 pro as it is the same price and everything about it I love. Thanks Tuuvas for making this video and showing that there is more controllers out there, not just the big brands!

[@JohnSmith-XYZ]

just get a bunch of controllers

[@HelloImCrimson]

Get it now. It has better everythinf including battery life

[@leoblack8497]

@@HelloImCrimson the only thing stopping me is knowing that I can't change battery and will have to change it once battery is used up

[@JohnSmith-XYZ]

@@leoblack8497 Battery will last longer than your regular Xbox controller lasts overall.

[@hantuan107]

just got mine brand new vader 4 pro for $70 discounted and it's been the most satisfying upgrade in PC gaming i've had in years! so long sticky xbox one controller, you belong in the trashbin now

[@_JuicyJ]

I can’t find this controller in stock. I really don’t trust ordering off Ali Express. Possible to get a knock off version.

[@zman2159]

Won’t let me download the software 😭

[@fares55q45]

سؤال كيف استفيد من الازرار الزايدة؟ ما لقيت اي احد يشرح بشكل واضح

[@rolzmusictest2591]

من البرنامج نفسه، انت تحدد وش تبغاها تكون

[@Bāz.Falcon]

Where have you been mate???

[@Tuuvas]

Twitch! Well, that and a ton of content prep work like templates.. libraries of music/clips.. script writing.. etc lol. Hopefully we'll see the fruits of all that prep work soon enough!

[@Bāz.Falcon]

@@Tuuvas Nice to see you back!!! and cant wait for the other contents you have been working on. I have a question about Flydigi Controller. Can we fly Su27 with this controller without constantly trimming the jet or can i auto trim it?

[@Tuuvas]

Unfortunately no. No matter what kind of controller you use (gamepad, flight stick, HOTAS, simpit), you must trim the Flankers to get them to cooperate. They're quite the hassle to fly.

[@Studzo0]

ill sub

[@Alt4i_]

Phil Spencer soll die Firma schnell kaufen wenn er vernünftige Controller haben will für sein Call of Duty 😂

[@KaosDarkness]

Thanks for the deep dive into the D-pad (sarcasm) it was the only thing that interested me

[@Tuuvas]

D-pad is solid. I thought I covered it enough with the overview showing its clickiness as well as its ability to keep up with my fighting game part of the review. If you want more detail, I recommend Gamer Heaven's review

[@tomastomejus1982]

nice video

[@ollio7479]

lets loose the elevator music, at very least make it half as loud, otherwise nice video!

[@abhijeetdey]

The background music is too loud

[@ShayanNick]

Bro your background music is so load !

[@ashwrightyy]

Mine only has a manual in chinese

[@MattMcKasty]

I would watch this if there weren't already other extremely detailed reviews that didn't have blaring backround music competeing with the voiceover. There are thoigh so I didn't get more than 20 seconds into this.

[@sayibandsusu5013]

Nice

[@McGregor43]

For COD, I'd say use reWASD to get the gyro to work but COD bans reWASD :[

[@fares55q45]

كان شرح ممتاز انا ما اعرف اللغه الانجليزيه بشكل جيد لاكني فهمت شرح المقطع من 70% إلى 85% كان شرح جميل جداا اتمنى لو فيه ترجمه عربي شكرا لك على وقتك وجهدك في المقطع بالتوفيق