TV Licensing INVADING PRIVACY?!

[@TonyG-iu4td]

Just received the same letter. I have made a formal complaint to the BBC for wanten harassment. I have also told them that I have never watched BBC iplayer and that if they pursue this direction of harassment I will employ a solicitor to make a case for compensation!

[@amarshmuseconcepta6197]

Bulls🎯fuckineye ✊"and Me

[@Sci_3nt_ifiC]

Yeah I personally think it's just a fishing expedition, in the hope they either fool or intimidate the householder into buying a license. Which obviously you shouldn't do unless you require one by law. I haven't watched any of their tv shows for well over a decade, and even then it was the wife who watched not myself (we had a license back then). I've been an avid gamer for well over 30 years, film buff, internet officianado and love to read ... they despise people like and just don't want to accept people don't watch their stations, or more likely that there's an ever growing populace who grew up with other alternatives. If they don't accept the truth and make it a subscription service then it will continue to die.

[@legalfictionisfraud]

While there... could you also point out that individuals do not hold individual T.V. Licences? Only properties do... not IP addresses...

[@legalfictionisfraud]

@@Sci_3nt_ifiC I think you are right... only the practice that T.V License is using here is a breach of data protection...

[@PrincessNads1]

​​@@legalfictionisfraudexactly!

[@kanellys3039]

I have had the exact same letter ……I have boycotted BBC everything…… never want to watch anything to do with them! To hell with them 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@W4TCH3R.]

These videos are so helpful. The BBC does try to bully people.

[@legalfictionisfraud]

Nobody with a brain honestly take any notice of the BBC and its goons and letters.. BIN!!! EVERYTIME!!!

[@Jonnydog1]

My uncle used to drive a television detector van in the 1960s. He told me there was nothing in it except his flask and sandwiches.

[@michaeldoolan7595]

True.

[@williampotato1221]

@@Jonnydog1 very true... Even in the late 90s & early 00s they were doing it. Although, what was in my mates stepfather TV licence. Certainly wasn't his packed lunch 💊 👃🏻.

[@petewadsworth8492]

That's why I don't buy a licence because if can lie about that they can lie about everything else. and we all know that's true.

[@garyhendrie4001]

You’d be amazed at what they could do with a fipflask and sannies back then.

[@frankielov]

Can remember those vans, but they fooled a lot of people scare mongering, fake vans fake news uncle Jimmys bb c.

[@mrobo9037]

The BBC are getting VERY, VERY DESPERATE, now losing thousands of people who payed the TV TAX 😂👍

[@somatotrophin1535]

Losing...

[@AxxSir]

Not thousands, millions. The actual concept of a TV Licence is archaic and downright despicable. Make BBC a subscription service like SKY and TNT and see how well they do!

[@kestrel230]

​@@AxxSir and rely on some press magnate to determine what news we get to see? No thank you.. The fact extremists from left and right constantly carp about BBC "bias" is the best evidence that they get it just about right. BBC funding had become a stick for the Tories to beat them with, while filling the top seats with their cronies

[@stratman9449]

seems very much like it.....

[@melissa-hadfield]

Not paid for a licence in over a decade and the threat letter each month is now something of a joke... Threatening and harassing, but I'm just waiting for "The legal occupier" to collect them all. Some of them I'm tempted to ring and ask for the name on the letter just to see what happens.

[@Nafe-]

About 2yrs ago I cancelled my licence, disconnected the aerial and binned it. I got fed up with all the charity begging ads, the constant repeat programmes and just shite TV in general, I don't miss any of it.

[@treesm4479]

Over a decade now. Can't stand tv, radio, newspapers. And LBC too is cringeworthy. London Brainwashing Corp', tailored for Londoners.

[@Magpie_Media]

They don't have any records showing that someone at my address is watching BBC iPlayer, because NOBODY at my address is watching BBC iPlayer. I've had that letter, It's a complete joke.

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

If they had that information, they'd probably be breaking Data Protection Law anyway.

[@kestrel230]

Maybe your neighbour knows your WiFi password?

[@kevinmaltby4202]

@@kestrel230 Maybe Wifi is turned off and using hard-wired ethernet connections

[@kestrel230]

@@kevinmaltby4202 maybe, maybe not, it was only a suggestion - piggy-backing does happen and it would explain the situation

[@kevinmaltby4202]

@@kestrel230 that's fine. We all advance by being exposed to other thoughts, ideas and suggestions. The important thing is that we don't become unhinged because someone dare challenge ones train of thought.

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

I literally would not trust the BBC to tell me what day it is.

[@eadweard.]

If they told you what day it is, then it would probably be correct. It's the days when they don't tell you that you need to be suspicious.

[@christinalayzelle832]

​@eadweard. For them, it's 'wokeday' every day.

[@createhandlee]

What an absolute state this country is now in!

[@mofeece7256]

There are many estates here in N.Ireland where almost nobody pays the TV license cos the inspectors aren't 'tolerated' & are told to leave the area very quickly 🤣🤣

[@davidbnsmessex.5953]

Love it !.

[@amarshmuseconcepta6197]

🤣🤣same here in *Liverpool* *we* have buckets of 💩z especially waiting for them😆

[@trevormillar1576]

Tv licence inspectors tend to enter the Divis Flats via the ground floor and leave via the top floor.

[@azillliasmith2734]

Good on you guys 🇮🇪💪

[@telstar4772]

@@azillliasmith2734 You`ve posted the flag of Eire instead of of Northern Ireland

[@VeeLondon1449]

I no longer pay my tv licence. I do wonder what the percentage is of us brits that have stopped paying for the licence!?

[@Sci_3nt_ifiC]

A little over 10% and growing. When Gen Z finally leave home at 45 (Lol) that number will rise exponentially as that generation are into gaming, internet, KZbin and social media ... a lot of them just don't watch terrestrial TV. Licencing just don't want to accept this fact. Plus, they're being short sighted by not preparing for the sudden, consequential drop off that will definitely happen ... it's happening now.

[@rolyvonotter2693]

Check out how many folk cancelled their TV licence up until May this year 😂

[@LucasBuck-n2iTopSecret]

How many please tell??​@@rolyvonotter2693

[@rlttvjay8331]

I don't use it and I won't pay for it and I certainly ain't telling em I dont need it coz fuck them

[@jupo9928]

I'm a woman that lives by myself and I don't watch iPlayer or live TV but I also don't want the absolute stress of dealing with someone at my door. I work full time, so I can afford the "protection money". But videos like this make me mad, think I should stick up for myself, cancel the TV licence and refuse to answer the door to anyone but royal mail and Amazon.

[@paulateetree8437]

I received exactly the same letter. I haven't had a Tv license for years. I don't own a TV and I don't use BBC iPlayer. They should send the evidence with the letter.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

They should.

[@Sci_3nt_ifiC]

The fact they don't is quite telling. The likelihood is they have no evidence and simply sending out numerous stock letters to addresses sans licence.

[@opticalman6417]

you could still us bbc iplayer and you would be fine just use a ip changer use a proxy

[@chrissy212e]

@@opticalman6417 Is a proxy similar to a vpn ?

[@Dazzle627]

​@@opticalman6417they send that out to everyone. It's all lies.

[@pamelagaull3928]

Cancelled mine today. I wish I’d done it years ago. I’m 77 and get Old Age Pension which is not a benefit. I can no longer subsidise paedophiles.

[@grantmason740]

I suspect this might be evidence the BBC and TV Licensing are becoming increasingly concerned at the numbers now refusing to pay the licence fee.

[@MikeEves]

yep, it's a fishing expedition.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

It's not refusing for the many who are legally not required to have a bbc licence. They just don't need one. that's not refusal, that's a right, though the bbc calls everyone without a licence, 'an evader', which is slander.

[@DelTangBrav]

@@Thurgosh_OG I doubt thay call everyone without a licence an evader... where did you read that? Don't let falsehoods enter into any argument or discussion... you play into their hands.🙄

[@benayers8622]

@@DelTangBrav they do threatem by post regular

[@DelTangBrav]

@@benayers8622 Exactly where did I say or imply that they didn't? I actually said I doubted that they called everyone without a licence an EVADER. Making things up to try to try to strengthen an argument does exactly the opposite. It's much better to stick to verifiable statements.

[@airsouthwestfan]

Who are holding the BBC accountable for this? Is there an ombudsman to complain to?

[@stigmontgomery7901]

ofcom

[@alangulliver3212]

They aren't controlled by ofcom, they deal with themselves

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Ofcom is supposed to but very rarely bothers the bbc because most of Ofcom's committee came from bbc jobs.

[@christinalayzelle832]

​They're 'in bed' with them @@stigmontgomery7901

[@catch22again]

Why is it we are unable to do the TV licensing for harassment ? I don't watch TV and have just recieved a very threatening letter which is the worst one yet. They have fold me twice now that they have opened an investigation into my address so they should know I don't watch TV. This latest letter threatens me with court action warrant , fine all the usual scrap and I'm fed up with it !

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

Is it addressed to "The Legal Occupier"? Unless it has your name on it, I think they are allowed to get away with their protection racket.

[@londonbobby]

Letters like this are a complete scam. They know that a few people are dumb enough to fall for them, just like the criminal scam gangs do.

[@Lord-Sméagol]

@@etiennedevignolles7538 Quite simple: My name isn't 'The Legal Occupier' ... so off to recycle bin it goes :)

[@TehJumpingJawa]

Only two?!?! I've been reliably getting one every month for the past 5 years! They must have whole office blocks staffed with Investigators just dealing with my one little cottage 😂 All good kindling though 👍

[@ellemac88]

​@etiennedevignolles7538 I recently got one with my deceased father's name on it. He never lived here. If anyone else wrote me as many unwanted letters as Crapita I would have them done with harassment

[@johndillinger8424]

They are fishing, this is now a common letter from them.

[@horizonkage]

TV is dying. BBC is desperate and at the end of its life.

[@lifeisbutadreamsodreamon]

A lot of what the average person watches, even if it is on different platforms, medias, started off as a TV programme

[@Mordantine]

They need to change their charging model, urgently. I’ll be honest, I have been interested in one or two programmes on iPlayer but the amount of BS TV licensing create, I avoid entirely

[@markc7440]

The BBC manages okay with subscription and paywall methods on the channels they own or part own like Dave, so why not on their main channels? And given that a lot of the "vintage" and "classic" shows on those channels were made years ago with TVL money, it's a bit of a bloody cheek anyway!!

[@rachelE894]

Yet people are still addicted to it and watch it 🤣 None of this propaganda and brainwashing would be able to exsist if no one watched it. It is easily available for a reason, if they wanted everyone to have to pay to watch it they would make it so people had no choice to in order to access it.

[@NaughtyGoose]

I had this EXACT same letter yesterday. I can't believe it! It's just a wide net being cast. I never use BBC iPlayer... I just assumed it might be because I ordered a smart TV recently which came with BBC iPlayer pre-installed, but never interacted with what so ever. I called them and told them it was an outright fabrication.

[@zippyatrainbow]

I wouldn't even bother contacting them.

[@Charlie_Ses]

Good luck. Sneaky b*stards

[@NaughtyGoose]

@@zippyatrainbow I usually don't. But I was in the mood to give them a piece of my mind haha

[@zippyatrainbow]

@@NaughtyGoose Silence is golden. Also the monthly letter they send out costs them money and I must have received over 100 not to mention visits by "Officers", sorry TV licence sales people. All of which increases their costs.

[@NaughtyGoose]

@zippyatrainbow Sometimes it's just not worth the energy is it. Especially when you've already gone through the process once of telling them you don't need it. Only for them to ignore it and keep bombarding you with letters. And I'm not talking about the 2 year grace period or whatever they give you. Legalised scam artists at this point. If anyone else did this it would likely be classed a genuine phishing attempt. Since this video has proved to me that it is actually just a letter sent at random. Praying on the vulnerable. I do wonder how this letter would hold up in a court room, since I can contact my ISP and prove I've never accessed anything BBC related.

[@robertharper6481]

Lies lies and more lies, giving money to the BBC is reaching the level of a sin.

[@donnamuldoon6685]

I have received the exact same letter today. I have told them that I require proof of this usage because when you log in, they can tell who supposedly used it because each person has a separate log in. I have also made a complaint in which I stated that failure to provide such evidence will be taken as proof that they have no case & I will instruct a solicitor to make an harassment complaint.

[@DMC888]

It will be interesting to see their response. I’d ask for the login details, the login time, what you watched and the IP address of course. At a guess I’d say they’ll say it was a mistake.

[@donnamuldoon6685]

@@DMC888 they will either say it was a mistake or try to bluff it out. I also did the official FOI request as BBB suggested. We now just wait and see.

[@reut2251]

May I ask how did you require proof of usage? How did you contact them?

[@DMC888]

@@donnamuldoon6685 if these letters are coming from Capita, I wonder if the BBC even know about this deceit. Capita must be working on some sort of commission model.

[@donnamuldoon6685]

@@DMC888 I don't know if the letter comes from Capita. It is headed TV Licensing but it mentions an organisation named Sagacity Solutions.

[@joelmontgomery4496]

Don't pay the lineker s wage

[@makazolem]

The lineker wage scam is the tip of the iceberg. The production company scheme set up by BBC with Lineker , Richard Osmon and more is far worse and amounts to billions. When a "talent" joins the BBC , they help them set up a "production company" which the "talent" owns, when the talent leaves the BBC they sell the production company back to BBC for billions. Its what Chris Evans did to make his money.

[@azmoz1321]

Or the wages of peado’s or noncies

[@joelmontgomery4496]

@@azmoz1321 bbc NI?

[@joelmontgomery4496]

@@azmoz1321 bbc NI?

[@sparkyjackson8479]

They don't even know my name, so all their threatening letters are a waste of time and money

[@samanthahardy9903]

They're great for firelighters though. Lol😂

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

With all due respect daniel, the best advice is to refuse to answer the door by employment of a doorbell camera. Refusing to enable this sickening corporation of enablers is a civic duty. Today i understand they have been admonished by the Court for spending £600,000 of licence payer money on defence of refusing to comply with a Court order.

[@sparkyjackson8479]

I heard of someone who had to prove he hadn't received a parcel. World gone mad!

[@Looshfarmer]

@@sparkyjackson8479how can you prove a negative?!!!

[@MikeEves]

​@@sparkyjackson8479you can't prove a negative

[@marksaunders3055]

I have received a similar letter to a completely unoccupied property with no phone line/internet access (or connected power) so it is safe to say this is just fishing.

[@AyupStuggy]

Students at my rental property bought a TV license even though they didn't watch iplayer or live TV! They were bullied with the constant fear mongering TV license letters!

[@robtheplod]

I thought students were intelligent?

[@jupo9928]

No one wants to be the one female student at home alone when a shouty TV licence representative knocks in the door. At least if you've paid the damn thing you can ignore scammers pretending to be the BBC trying to extort you out of more money.

[@AyupStuggy]

@@robtheplod Students are good at passing exams. Some are good at living independently and looking after domestic things, many are not though!

[@headshot6959]

This channel is helping the vulnerable against the bullies and setting out what is acceptible and what is unjust. We are living under tyranny now, so keep up the good work. I have never been afraid to speak my mind until recently, thinking there was always a common-sense way to live your life and knowing where to draw the line. Not now though, these are scary times.

[@Delaneytheblackcat]

Don't watch it, don't pay it.

[@QuorkEx]

These letters are constructed around fear, uncertainty and intimidation. It's no use. Expecting clarity, that's the very last thing that the BBC wants in this case.

[@opticalman6417]

spot on its fear based bs false evidence appearing real just like what they put on the box they depend on you buying in to fear so that you comply with there demands

[@deblou7]

The whole thing is extortion thats why they dont like being questioned, what they do does not stand legally

[@Gary85Paul]

I find the iPlayer requirement particularly frustrating. It's installed on almost every smart TV and similar devices by default. I've taken it off of my Chromecasts for example but I'm still bombarded with recommendations for iPlayer even though it's not installed. I can't even uninstall it from my televisions. The BBC shouldn't be coming to agreements with TV makers to do this. It's a cake and eat it approach.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

Good point.

[@ditch3827]

It is an offence under Section 362AA of the Media Act 2024 for a manufacture not to include iPlayer on every device sold in the UK or not to make it prominent. So it's not down to the BBC but to Parliament.

[@derricknoakes7806]

I have an LG TV and I've removed iPlayer

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

You'd still have to sign in to iPlayer to watch it though?

[@robtheplod]

Doest matter if the app is on all your phones/tv etc.. its if you USE it that counts and they can't prove it...

[@RonSeymour1]

Better still, everybody in the UK should make a data access request.

[@eadweard.]

What's that?

[@eadweard.]

@Kirk720 You'd need to be more specific really.

[@RonSeymour1]

@@eadweard. You can make a request to any company for any personal information that it has on you.

[@RonSeymour1]

@Kirk720 I am suggesting that we should give them a taste of their own medicine by millions of people making a subject access request. They would have to comply or seek an exemption through legislation.

[@Looshfarmer]

@@RonSeymour1good idea! Make them actually work to enforce state propaganda.

[@robin9342]

It would be trivial for the BBC to put iPlayer behind a paywall and requiring you to input your licence fee number to access it. There's a simple reason they have not done so - it's a big step towards subscription, which the BBC is petrified of.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

It's the exact same reason they won't encrypt their TV signals, or put some authorisation in front of it like Sky or Virgin Media do.

[@robtheplod]

The bbc actively make iplayer available to encourage use.. they even allow fake email accounts....

[@gracesprocket7340]

They used to... Did they remove that?

[@triezameinkai2735]

I was gonna say they used to do that​@@gracesprocket7340

[@barukkazhad8998]

The REAL question is ..who on earth would want to log onto bbc I player ?😂

[@drinksafewater]

BBC - Big Brother Counter intelligence - This sounds like harassment?

[@randomsimpsonsquotes6033]

2tier guna give you 10 year for that comment.

[@vonlouie77]

More like PPC -Protecting Predators Constantly

[@sparkyjackson8479]

BBC playing the bully like Jimmy savil, now then, now then!

[@hitpat6179]

It's a pedophile ring broadcasting channel...does harassment belong in 'their journalists dictionary'???

[@mikewulf252]

Bolshevick broadcasting collective.

[@mrobo9037]

What with this corrupt government and, police, Judges etc, yes, it really is an end game for are country 👍

[@KarenCreftor]

I got that letter. We haven't watched anything that requires a licence for years. Its a scare tactic hoping people will panic and buy a licence when they don't need one. Disgusting behaviour! I emailed them saying it was a mistake and they caved in straight away saying they updated their records.

[@michaelholmes4374]

They are getting desperate so are resorting to lying

[@Mr-J...]

They are not resorting to lying. They have always lied.

[@PrincessNads1]

Daniel, please please please remind people that the TV licence is for an address NOT a person. Therefore as long as you're watching bbc/live TV at an address that DOES have a licence then you're not doing anything wrong. They would need to prove the location you were at when logging in and watching! Thank you 😊

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

I do have a TV licence, so I could legally watch BBC iPlayer at an address which does not have a TV Licence (so long as I don't plug my laptop into the mains electricity).

[@legalfictionisfraud]

@@etiennedevignolles7538 At this rate people will be thinking the BBC live in there knickers..

[@jupo9928]

​@@etiennedevignolles7538you are absolutely correct I just read my license and it has a line about devices powered on their own batteries 😮

[@pjcnet]

Correct and even if they match that up to the IP address on your internet, many people share their internet with neighbours and you may even choose to login to BBC iPlayer under your own account while visiting and if they have a TV licence it's perfectly legal (as long as the device is plugged in there).

[@markc7440]

Whether or not I have a TVL (I don't, legally license free), I wonder how things stand if I sit at the local shopping centre and log on through their WiFi. 🤔

[@mrt105]

I feel left out, I havent had one of these yet! Had a letter every month for the last two years, addressed to the legal occupier.

[@wingleburt3146]

I e had a letter through my door asking if I will be in on the 4th September as they are visiting me...... I wish they had given me better notice as I'm going on holiday 😂😂

[@StuartDane]

I received one a couple of weeks ago.They told me they would be visiting my address on the 22nd of August.I waited in for them all day.They didn't bloody turn up the lying gits 😂

[@nancyfriend4156]

I didn't open it - return to sender.

[@Dave1975-n2o]

Same 4 sept, had these before it’s always a no show

[@chrissy212e]

😅😅😅

[@Dave1975-n2o]

@@nancyfriend4156 that’s what I’ll start doing, get one every month

[@McSynth]

How would Capita be legally allowed to access my broadband usage without a warrant ? Have I missed something ?

[@SalemikTUBE]

You would be surprised who is allowed access to all your ISP data. Everyone working at your local council for example. It's been that way for quite a few years. No warrant required at all.

[@robtheplod]

They can't... its all lies to sell you a licence

[@pjcnet]

There's people who receive letters from companies demanding money for copyright infringement after downloading torrents claiming they'll take you to court if you don't pay, if people ignore them it's extremely rare for them to actually pursue it any further, but they do get IP address information from your ISP to do this. PS: An IP address doesn't prove a person or address, many people share WIFI with neighbours.

[@thomasdalton1508]

​@@pjcnet When an IP address has downloaded a torrent, you know they have done something wrong so it is easy to justify requesting their identity from the ISP. That's not the case with iPlayer. They would need to have some reason to think it has been watched illegally before they could request the identity and I don't see how they can possibly know if it has been watched illegally or not before they know the identity. They can't just go on fishing expeditions through confidential data held by an ISP.

[@thomasdalton1508]

​@@SalemikTUBEI think someone has misread the legislation. Local authorities are explicitly excluded from accessing internet connection data under Section 62 of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016. And neither TV Licensing nor the BBC are listed as relevant authorities in Schedule 4 of that Act (it's a very long list of authorities, but they aren't on it).

[@oomz1975]

These letters seem like 'fishing', once you engage, they'll think they got you.

[@leoleeuk]

I got the same letter today! I play xbox or watch KZbin or amazon prime. I do not have iplayer. The letter is now in many bits in the bin

[@youngmeldrew]

I received the same letter today - as I did in February of last year. I know for a fact that the letter is a pack of lies because I haven't accessed the I player - i wouldn't watch anything from this despicable organisation on principle.They also claim to have sent several E Mails that weren't replied to - as they did last year - another lie. If anyone knows the name and postal address of the person at the top of TV Licensing, I'd appreciate a heads up, as I'm not going to let this rest.

[@MikeEves]

Just ignore them. They are impotent without your help. Always remember that folks.

[@AntiWokeXyCitizen]

They can check all they want, I deleted my account with them and I don't even have Sky, Virgin or even Internet plumed into the house. I'm waiting in anticipation for their visit.

[@amarshmuseconcepta6197]

✊🎯 And Me "with a bucket full of 💩'z waiting 😆

[@iearl504]

Have a piss jug handy

[@stevensmith9842]

They are losing hundreds of thousands of licence payers each year and are resorting to more and more desperate and despicable actions to hold onto whats left. This behaviour will get worse I believe.

[@leaveourstatuesalone.3378]

Who pays for a TV license these days….🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mikehipperson]

Fools!

[@ditch3827]

24.4 million people at the last count

[@MikeEves]

@@ditch3827 24.4 million mugs....

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@ditch3827 12.6 million State pensioners make up the bulk, though they too are starting to cancel.

[@DeanoEssex]

It's not an offence to watch a TV like i was told when their goon called. I told him i watch TV but not live TV and he said it was still illegal. At that point i shut the door in his face.

[@MikeEves]

Why tell him anything?

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

Don't, say, anything! Just shut the door. If you must, just say "no thanks" when closing the door. Don't confirm who you are, don't confirm your address, don't revoke their rights of access. Don't give them anything at all that can be used against you.

[@kenbakie4590]

TV Licencing send most of their letters to the owner/occupier, so unless you tell them who you are, they surely can't tell if you were using the BBC iplayer anyway? Best advice I have seen from ChilliJonCarne and others is not to reply to any of their communications and if they turn up at your door, either don't answer, or say "No thanks" and shut the door. Do not talk to their goons or give them any information about you, or engage with them in any other way.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

This is the way to deal with them and no other.

[@mrcosine]

I had this via email almost a year ago. I accessed my BBC iPlayer account while at the pub, about a week later, I got an email stating pretty much what was in the letter on the video. I decided to call them, and was prepared for an argument, but all I got was their automated system, and it allowed me to declare no license required again. Usually, they leave you alone for 2 years, but recently I've been getting letters addressed to "the occupier" with the usual threats. A bit fed up with all of it, so I've just ignored them.

[@suzieb8366]

I wish SOMEONE would take them to court!!!!!

[@Daisy-tl2lh]

in 2020 I stopped watching tv cut all the plugs off any sets before disposal and made sure I never log into iplayer and never agree to any of their cookies ... so far four years on they have never bothered me!

[@cgisme]

Only today I received the red envelope from these goons. I do not watch live TV or use iplayer! No other company collecting ‘debts’ can legally send a letter potentially identifying the addressee as a debtor!

[@mightbeanybody]

Also received same letter yesterday. It said "we have attempted to contact you on a number of occasions by email. However, we have had no response." A downright lie. I received one email saying I had used iPlayer and it was from a no reply email address. Further, my transgression was to follow a Facebook link to the sports page of the BBC News website and click on a clip on the sports news page. I did not at any time select iPlayer. There was no warning that this clip was being delivered by iPlayer. The letter goes on to say "to stop furher action you need to buy a licence" and "If we don't hear from you your address will be treated as unlicensed and your details passed to our enforcement division,"

[@allygilmour6182]

ZERO contact. Carry on with life. Don't even open future letters. You get used to the Darlington return address on back of envelope btw. File in bin. Job done.

[@jupo9928]

If it was a clip 24 hours + after it was first broadcast I don't think it counts?

[@pjcnet]

They're not allowed to entrap you by tricking you to live TV or iPlayer without warning in the UK and then prosecute you successfully, if you believe that has happened just close it asap.

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@jupo9928 Just using iplayer is enough. However, don't you need to log into iplayer to use it?

[@ymca4547]

The first mistake everyone makes is getting a TVL to begin with, either through fear or ignorance. Once they have your name for that address, that's it.

[@61shirley]

I’d say thank you very much for telling me. I’ll get to the bottom of it and cancel any use of the app. I try to keep my kids away from the BBC

[@Lord-Sméagol]

Yes, keep your kids away! The BBC are sure to be shielding more Rolf Harrises and Jimmy Saviles!

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

@@Lord-Sméagol And Martin Bashir.

[@iceni8066]

Looking through the comments, seems like a lot of people received the same letter on the same day. I’d suggest that everyone coordinates and submits a Subject Access Request at the same time, they probably won’t be able to process all the requests and the fall short of the time limit they have to respond, leaving them open to fines from the ICO.

[@hammerhorrible]

That co-ordinated requested at the same time is just never going to happen.

[@RheaAyase]

@@hammerhorrible I don't know how many people submitted it, but it's been a month and I received only excuses on the day one, then silence for a month. They sure aren't compliant.

[@stepheneaston8354]

Great video. I received the same letter today. Guess it is a new strategy. I have genuinely not used iplayer. Will now make a data request. Hopefully, they will now be swamped with requests which will cost them money. The whole point their side is to avoid cost, of course, and just persuade people to buy a licence even if not needed.

[@hammerhorrible]

So they already have your name associated with that property do they? Because you'll probably need to provide it with the request if not.. when they have a name they go all out to get you.

[@stepheneaston8354]

@@hammerhorribleThey have my name - the property was licensed when I first moved in.

[@TheFallGuy2]

Same as why they issue pcn's, some will pay and very few will take the issuer's to court.

[@Dcfc1chez]

I got the same letter. I didn't even have the internet for the 6 weeks .

[@andrewruddiforth5823]

TV licencing need prosecuting for deception & fraudulent behaviors

[@TVLICENCERESISTANCE]

We've seen a lot of these and they basically know because they've logged in with the same email address they used when they had a BBC TV Licence. As for the law being broken I believe it has under the data protection laws because they crossed the databases of TV Licensing and the BBC themselves via iplayer

[@stepheneaston8354]

I assumed that was what they were doing too. But, I do not have an iplayer account. I checked if the email used for my previous TV licence is even valid as a BBC account. It is not recognised! So something odd is going on. Either they are linking ISPs (not sure how, nor whether they would be able to get these legally linked back to a property address) or they are just making a claim with no evidence at all. I have submitted a GDPR request to them. Whatever they are doing, their prime goal is presumably to get a certain percentage to now pay the fee without more fuss. Not muck around answering thousands of queries that will cost them money to process. We simply do not use iplayer anyway. The apps were installed on the Smart TVs but have now removed those, just in case they somehow open “in the background”. The BBC sums up the state of most U.K. institutions today - elitist, out of touch and seeking above all to maintain the lavish lifestyles plus luxury ideology of its own “in group”.

[@oldbaldguy6151]

I do not pay for a TV licence and have not done for years (legally).

[@davidbnsmessex.5953]

YOU WILL watch television and YOU WILL buy a licence or be fast tracked to Starmerlag 3 !

[@londonbobby]

This has to be something of an outright lie. They would have absolutely no idea if you had used iPlayer or not without someone or something spying inside your house.

[@JugglinJellyTake01]

I worked with capita once. When customers wanted to know where their details came from there was a substantial list of organisations with dubious names that sounded more like security companies. The rate at which details are shared you could be hard pushed to find the source as you go for a SAR for each preceding supplier.

[@peejaygeee]

I told the BBC at their listed number that I did not need a licence and was issued with a two year LICENCE NOT REQUIRED . I still received the ambiguous threatening letters stating ‘according to our records’, proving that they never checked their records anyway. That was five years ago. It is one big fishing exercise and if practised by any other outfit there would be prosecutions for sure. The tragedy is that it is the older and vulnerable people who are bullied into paying the fee, to the point of being cold and forgoing basic needs, even food. That successive governments have allowed this extortion to continue is a disgrace.

[@noell8460]

they're phishing ,hoping people just fess up and buy the license,

[@imaxjam]

Just had the same letter, we have not used iPlayer. I assume is just a phishing email to scare some people into buying a licence. Will file a DSAR request however.

[@mightbeanybody]

PS They also say "if we don't hear from you ....." but they do not supply either a postal or email address to reply to.

[@MikeEves]

why would you reply?

[@_chrisr_]

Since a person can use their TV Licence on a battery powered device outside their address, this could potentially include addresses at which there is no TV licence registered - potentially the usage of IPlayer might have been by a visitor covered by their own licence... Obviously it would be triviai for the BBC to know the account information of the logon which includes a postcode (but not a full address).

[@robtheplod]

Don't overthink it... its all fake...

[@pjcnet]

True and even if they have it matched to an IP address people often share WIFI with their neighbour, an IP address neither proves a person or address.

[@lynnecromack4933]

The BBC are desperately trying to adapt the broadcast licence (a different outdated technology) to cover revenue for the on demand packet-streaming technology prevalent today. You could honestly drive a bus through their reasoning.

[@GS-wg9bh]

Looks like BBC employees and directors are running short on candy and rusty panel vans money. Getting desperate.

[@bangkokbullmoto]

If they knew you were watching BBC on iplayer they would not send a warning letter but a prosecution letter...

[@Ne0BLu3]

I got 1 they full of 💩 don't watch BBC. Don't have an Ariel or a Freesat box, they getting nowt off me

[@hammerhorrible]

Was it addressed to you by name? Or just 'The occupier'?

[@Ne0BLu3]

@@hammerhorrible my name I declare I do not need a TV licence as my children are grown now I'm disabled so I basically live upstairs, with having a wet room but the letter is the exact same,

[@Lord-Sméagol]

@@Ne0BLu3 Better to not register with them; You don't have any legal relationship with them, so they don't need your details. Giving them your details just gives them ammunition to abuse you with.

[@CoolHardLogic]

The gall of the BBC thinking that they produce anything even vaguely worth watching.

[@Spiderdan-59]

Me and my buddy were in his flat about 2 year's ago, we got up to go out and caught one with his face next to the letter box😂😂😂 he left after we caught him😂😂

[@m-arky66]

*caught

[@Spiderdan-59]

@@m-arky66 thanks mate edited it 👍🏻🤣

[@torixbear5398]

So many in the comments saying they got the same letter… we should all do the Subject Access request detailed at about 6:15

[@barryausten3578]

Putting, in writing, a claim that you are breaking a law...without sufficient evidence to back that claim up...is a breach of the Defamation Act 2013 is it not?

[@robtheplod]

They sail close to the wind but don't cross the line... clever

[@BritJim]

How is this not fraud and/or a breach of the malicious communications act?

[@dorothyblair6741]

Probably is

[@jupo9928]

It probably would be if a normal person did it but there's probably some archaic rule that excuses them. Maybe I'm just overly cynical!

[@RJTC]

It's not communicated over a telecommunications system. If it were, it would likely be an offence under section 127.

[@DMC888]

If Netflix did it, it would be fraud and big news.

[@SimonDavies-o1p]

The sooner the licence fee is scrapped the better and none of this crap would happen, the BBC simply isn't worth it anyway.

[@hammerhorrible]

It's garbage for the woke / lefties.

[@jandances1687]

There's talk of everyone paying BBC via council tax also illegal tax ..

[@Thurgosh_OG]

@@jandances1687 While not, illegal, in itself, it should not be funded by the public in any form and I can see us getting to a point like the Poll Tax, should they be stupid enough to try this. Oh wait, Labour is in, they are stupid enough...(yes so are the Tories).

[@gigapig23]

The licence is not limited to the BBC, it covers ITV, Channel 4 and everything else. If you watch live TV on any channel then you need a license.

[@MikeEves]

​@@gigapig23all the money goes to the BBC. Not mine though...

[@WeissWilly]

I only watch online TV from other countries, like France and Germany. However, they pressured me to buy a license, claiming that just owning a TV (which I use as a monitor) and a computer makes me liable for a fine. They even said I need a license just to go to the pub to watch a football game. This is worse than the mafia.

[@robtheplod]

Yep any live broadcast needs a licence.... watch it on catchup and cancel your licence

[@truthfilter]

If they can detect whether you are watching TV without a licence then my mother should get a refund because she stopped watching TV 3 years ago and doesn't have an ariel but continued to pay her TV licence simply because she didn't want any inspectors in her house

[@alan17167]

That's bulling working, she shouldn't have to go through that's disgusting

[@grahvis]

I just ignore the letters and any callers.

[@100Mickl]

Same here

[@robtheplod]

Your mother needs to cancel her direct debit pronto... stop wasting money on an organisation still in the 1950's

[@jupo9928]

Likewise :( But how much better would it be "dear sir/madam our records show your household did not access any of our services for the last three years, dutifully, here is a refund for your TV licence contribution"

[@st3v3ndc]

I dont have a license but I do have a tv, I use it everyday, with my xbox. I also dont get visits anymore, I kept ignoring the "investigations". Any knock on door is opened and answered with a "go away, youre not wanted". They lose all authority on my doorstep.

[@Frebs01]

When I was in college, we were told that if you own a TV license and no one is home watching, your license covers you in college. Going by this, can a friend pop round and log in with their account? Or they could logged in on their phone, using my WiFi.

[@jong3461]

Had same letter, assume it from when I'm staying at hotel or airbnb. As That's the only time i used iplayer because the tablet is plugged into the wall, so covered by that places license.

[@TheMSS1977]

I knew they'd eventually do this. So I've avoided it from the very start. AND I get the feeling it will be implemented to take into account accessing any BBC web page. Same goes for the other terrestrial/digital live channels. To be fair I use KZbin and that's it.

[@MikeG-rh1lk]

When I cancelled my licence I also shut down the I player account that was linked to the email address they had on their records

[@Lee-wq7gm]

Bet the BBC gonna get spammed with data access requests now 😂 they will hate that its a ball ache

[@martyndawson7484]

Good, It's an obligation to respond.

[@CountNachos]

I've used SARs on companies that have annoyed me a few times for the very reason that it is a ball ache. A couple of times i didn't even read what they sent.

[@EJD5005]

I’ve just received the exact same letter. I have phoned and emailed them to say we have not used a single one of there services and had to declare that we don’t need a license again! I have sent a email requesting my data to prove there accusation. Can’t wait to see the response they come back with

[@tonysheerness2427]

If you are not allowed to watch because you do not have a licence why are you allowed to login?

[@robtheplod]

The bbc think everyone needs to use iplayer.... forgetting its full of dross

[@vancouver9928]

Got the same letter, and I simply reapplied for No license required and got a confirmation number straight away. Job done ✔️😳😉

[@skycloud4802]

It's little wonder BBC called for a dedicated on-demand button on ALL TV remote controls (like Netflix or Amaxon Prime buttons often are). It wants that sneaky accidental remote button press to intimidate people into thinking they have used it on their records.

[@shaneholmes6977]

You used to be able to watch legally on a mobile device without a license so long as it wasn't connected to power

[@markdolan8866]

Some tv’s and other devices don’t require you to log in …. But tv licensing could potentially get a list of iplayer streams you have accessed from your isp who is required to keep records of all your activity.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

Does your ISP have the right to give that information over? Wouldn't they have to go to a court to request that information from the ISP?

[@legalfictionisfraud]

@@SpareSomeChange8080 It is a false question in the first instance... Individuals do not hold or carry individual TV Licenses that means IP address has nothing to do with it... It is properties that hold entitlement or not to T.V licensing, not individuals...

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

@@legalfictionisfraud Very true

[@markdolan8866]

@@legalfictionisfraud and it’s properties that are connected to the internet… regardless of who pays the bill

[@telstar4772]

I had the same latter about a couple of months ago, neither my wife nor I have any memory of using iplayer ,we could only assume one of us logged in, in error for a fraction of a second while doing something else. The only course of action the letter gave was to buy a licence, in the end we just made another declaration that we didn`t need a licence and the letters appear to have stopped. Excellent video btw

[@williampotato1221]

I'm getting the word......

[@breaghboo-gc7ub]

😗😂

[@Captain_Lockheed]

Nonce!

[@williampotato1221]

@@Captain_Lockheed ahh. A man of culture! The BBC are riddled with them.

[@Nutellover]

I have today received this exact letter, same dates and everything. I've submitted a SAR, thanks for the information!

[@m-arky66]

The ONLY way, repeat ONLY way they can get that information is from your ISP, and that is whole can of data protection worms. This the new tool to replace detector vans, they're clutching at staws! Plus, when you register on this site, you dont have to give any personally identifiable information. It does know however if youre using a VPN routed outside the UK.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

They may be cross-referencing iPlayer emails with TV licencing "no licence needed" emails. If anyone is using the same email address for both, they're fools.

[@Durka-Durka01]

The detector vans are a figment of peoples imagination. Those working at the beeb, and the public that believed that that sort of technology existed. It was all nonsense just used as a fear tactic to sell licences.

[@m-arky66]

@@SpareSomeChange8080 Good point 👍