This is the full episode between Herbert Stemple and Charles Van Doren that really brought the quiz shows of the 1950s down.
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@McDuffington8 жыл бұрын
Question you are looking for is at 10:17
@Lobothemainman237 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@williamdunphy3526 жыл бұрын
Rolf Lobker The category is "Movies & Movie Stars".
@LuisSierra426 жыл бұрын
That's exactly how it happens in the movie
@nevincaulfield6 жыл бұрын
Forest Hills represent !
@platosays372110 жыл бұрын
Thanx so much for sharing this - I ADORE Quiz Show the movie - this just makes it so much more real. Brilliant footage.
@reynaldobinuya233911 жыл бұрын
The film is "Quiz Show" (1994) directed by Robert Redford. It starred John Turturro who played Herb Stempel and Ralph Fienned in the role of Charles Van Doren. It garnered 4 nominations in the Oscars including Best Picture.
@bilazaurus27597 жыл бұрын
19:28 HE SMEARED! NOT PATTED!
@otphd11 жыл бұрын
I love Jack's line..."You had no way of knowing it COULD happen," but of course Stemple did.
@thoomolong11 жыл бұрын
Back in the day there were only three channels and people had better attention spans. This wasn't boring to viewers back then.
@fromthesidelines9 жыл бұрын
Originally telecast on December 5, 1956.
@NICKPOFFAUTHOR12 жыл бұрын
The irony is that the producers were trying to create as much drama as possible for the audience. They certainly had no idea that their (almost) flawless staging would create a moral/legal drama that would still be fascinating over fifty years later.
@johnojohnovono76667 жыл бұрын
Both these people are still alive. Crazy.
@jmiller2977 жыл бұрын
This... is... LEGENDARY!
@GoodTimeCHarley11 жыл бұрын
"YOU GET ME THAT PANEL SHOW!" --Herb Stemple, 21 (the movie by Robert Redford)
@cindysloan1778 жыл бұрын
You can so tell that Herb did NOT want to answer that movie question wrong. The acting is pretty bad. He looked so disgusted while the question was being asked. They should not have done that to him. I don't blame him for being pissed.
@1punch_man7 жыл бұрын
Cindy Sloan He was also given the answers also if the movie is correct. So he was also a fraud in on it.
@bestoluck111 жыл бұрын
This may not be interesting to most, but it's a part of history. The many reasons why our lives have become improved, is because we strive to do what is right. Some may not be interested, but think about the wrong things in history. Such as; The Salem Witch trials, American Revolution, Civil war to free the slaves, etc.... Something this small, stopped corruption. And it still exists today. A movie was made about this; "Quiz Show"
@StormAutoAdventures10 жыл бұрын
My father who was born in 1941 used to watch this show all the time. I did watch the entire video and thought the show was excellent as always. I've seen quite a few episodes of 21 over the years, but it's been a couple of years since I've last seen one. Thank you for the video! Definitely a like rating from me.
@stevesand88457 жыл бұрын
Chris'sVids79 you realize this episode sprung a huge investigation because the producer wanted a new face so he convinces herb to answer a question wrong and gave the answers to van buren
@StormAutoAdventures7 жыл бұрын
Quiz Show is one of my favorite movies of all time. My father told me about everything that went down long before Quiz Show even came out back in the 90's, so I definitely know everything that happened. Even knowing all about it, I still enjoyed watching the few episodes I saw though. That's why I watched this video.
@roqofort51106 жыл бұрын
Interesting, Stemple and Van Doren seem almost opposite to how they're portrayed in the film, Herbie looks quite collected while Charles looks a little nervous and sketchy
@lilypad79710 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for herb. They made him say the wrong answer on easiest question at the time.
@FreakieFan8 жыл бұрын
to humiliate him :(
@SmithCS7 жыл бұрын
lexi m it's okay because he was given all the correct answers too
@toffekristoffe6 жыл бұрын
It's 2018 and Van Doren and Stempel, both born in 1926, are still alive. Someone should set up a meeting...
@TKO-qj5zx6 жыл бұрын
People had to have questioned this back then.
@hamburg13067 жыл бұрын
Stemple different than as portrayed in the movie. Much more humble and unassuming. Accepting of his fate and nice gesture with winnings and very cordial with Van Doren. But that doesn't make an exciting picture.
@VirginiaMoriAlejandra11 жыл бұрын
tanks for publishing this very interesting. A real prove of how influential we still are is that we fell less pity for the real Van Doren ´cause he wasn´t has cute as Ralph Fiennes.
@dillysgirl4ever8 жыл бұрын
They should have cool shows like this on TV nowadays. Love the tough, intellectual questions.
@anti09187 жыл бұрын
They tried that on the first episode of Twenty One, and everyone got 0 points. After that they started rigging the show.
@mapaps17 жыл бұрын
this whole show was rigged, watch the movie Quiz Show
@SmithCS7 жыл бұрын
dillysgirl4ever the show was rigged
@mooncove6 жыл бұрын
Well, there *is* Jeopardy! The questions are pretty hard but not THIS hard (although I got all the Henry VIII questions right!). But that's about the only really intellectually challenging game show I know of on TV anymore.
@swooten72211 жыл бұрын
Van Doren did know. He knew after his first appearance that the fix was in
@kalukuan11910 жыл бұрын
Van Doren is too obvious. I dont think Stemple's mad though.
@ElevatingNoCo7 жыл бұрын
just watched quiz Show on Netflix
@VirginiaMoriAlejandra11 жыл бұрын
tanks for publishing this very interesting.
@mushmorant92537 жыл бұрын
"This country is run on epidemics, where you been? Price fixing, crooked TV shows, inflated expense accounts. How many honest men you know? Why you separate the saints from the sinners, you're lucky to wind up with Abraham Lincoln. Now I want out of this spread what I put into it, and I say let us dip our bread into some of that gravy while it is still hot." From the motion picture "Hud" (1963)
@Rlotpir197210 жыл бұрын
The 'eggcrate' scoreboard in the 1950's were pretty modern as oppose to the standard eggcrate scoreboards in 1969 to present.
@samuellees564812 жыл бұрын
the basic flaw in this game is that Herb Stempel took a dive.
@cpodurnell37018 жыл бұрын
funny how everything is rigged today in TV. Pawn Stars, those stupid Storage Wars, Ghost Adventures and many more.
@AdamsOlympia6 жыл бұрын
Apples to Oranges. It might be a more reasonable comparison if the guys didn't really run a Pawn Shop in real life ... Of course there would be no show if it was just unscripted everyday drudgery at a pawn shop, so they are very selective in who they let come on the show., and brief them beforehand. Thing is, they never CLAIM it doesn't have scripted moments. A more apt comparison would be to other game shows like Jeopardy, in which case I highly doubt any funny business goes on; Way too much risk for little to no reward.
@iamhungey123456 жыл бұрын
Especially wrestling.
@ryanocerus78536 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they're all setups.
@hamburg13067 жыл бұрын
Watched interviews with Stemple and very informative. Says he knew what he was getting into and entire thing was staged. Both players had to be in on fix or would not have known how many points to risk. Makes sense.
@gayisrave12 жыл бұрын
Watching this after reading about it makes it fairly obvious it was fixed, Van Doren tried way to hard to act as if he didn't know the answers, it was just completely unnatural
@symphoniez7 жыл бұрын
Like if Quiz Show brought you here.
@beernpizzalover90356 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite films!
@HHSGDFootballJPD11 жыл бұрын
So here's what I don't understand: if Herb Stemple was told to basically 'throw' the game, why did he answer the next question correctly, force the game into a tie, and potentially have to do the entire thing all over again?
@secondstring6 жыл бұрын
That was rigged too. Had to make it dramatic.
@StormAutoAdventures10 жыл бұрын
I wasn't doing very much back when this show was popular. Pretty dark times for me... Literally lol :-)
@requiemforamerica843210 жыл бұрын
what made the networks clean up their act is NOT governmental oversight but that they now learned how to make much more interesting shows that can get people hooked without resorting to such an extent of rigging
@makepeace23411 жыл бұрын
Forget Geritol.....I'd prefer Vita-meata-vegamin. ( Hic!) 60 years later,& still pushing pills at the public. Thanks for v. interesting video; great movie & fascinating to see the actual incident.
@rentslave9 жыл бұрын
Nobody wondered why Stempel could get the difficult parts of a question,but not the easy ones?Enright should have done a better job here.
@FreakieFan8 жыл бұрын
he wanted him to lose on an easy question to humiliate him, because he disliked him alot
@goodolgranite82476 жыл бұрын
Shame On Enright, Shame On Him
@darthstarkiller191211 жыл бұрын
I just saw "Quiz Show" on HBO and I thought it was as interesting. Like "All the President's Men", it reminds us that there are scoundrels out there who will do anything for greed and popularity. I feel sorry for Stemple and Van Doren. It was is was a fair competition, they could've led normal lives with integrity.
@mlc3stooge112 жыл бұрын
Hindsight is 20 20 but there is a basic flaw in this game. When players are asked if they want to stop the game -- all a player in a questionable position (like stemple with 16) would have to do is wait a second or two to see if his opponent stopped the game. If not he could be rather certain that the opponent's score is also low. Should have asked them either to write their decision of have a light for yes or no.
@harrykargenian48876 жыл бұрын
I don't think either guy can hear the other. They are both piped in to the studio so the emcee and audience can hear, but not to each other. So waiting wouldn't work.
@RabinKaja12 жыл бұрын
I was there !
@ralphadamo18579 жыл бұрын
I need some Zarumin right now after watching this. I'm getting a flare up. Too bad Heb Stemple didn't take some Zarumin and Geritol before playing the game. He might have won. Love that cheesy "suspense" music and those lovely Geritol twins.
@SC108911 жыл бұрын
I love it, no BS manufactured drama that permeates the game shows of today (except Jeopardy). I'd love another show like this, no time wasting, just good, hard trivia questions. Of course I wouldn't want it to be rigged....
@jasonking857110 жыл бұрын
Remember the choose quiz in the beginning of the movie Slum Millionaire, the last option is "It is written".
@miapiare6 жыл бұрын
They should have them play today. Honestly.
@Stalley7511 жыл бұрын
That's because basically everybody looked the same in the 50s.
@JCS205911 жыл бұрын
HGWT5763. 02/01/07/2013 A.D. i saw herb stempel in a few t.v. interviews some years ago and he was just as straight-forward as any one person could possibly be. charles van doren simply could not live with himself by continuing with this unfortunate sham-he just couldnt take it any further. neither of these men, deep down within their souls, ever wanted to become part of this charade to begin with.
@Tmanaz4807 жыл бұрын
JCS2059 ... the most heart-wrenching scene in the movie is when Charles has to confess to his father that the accusations were true--that he cheated. A lot of mid century generational angst packed into that scene. in there.
@TheLiberalPersuasion10 жыл бұрын
Interesting how they allowed the contestent to sometimes pose the answer as a question and the emcee would jump in quickly to confirm the correct answer even though that would seem to be inappropriate. Of course, we know that the fix was in, but it seems now to be more transparent.
@cinemaspotlight-themovievl355910 жыл бұрын
Charles vs. Herb - a match made in the 1950's during the Golden Age of Television!
@whitneybennett90459 жыл бұрын
So obvious, no wonder why this was investigated...I can't stop laughing, the basic sociology of human behavior is at odds here with the truth. I can see most Americans watching this jumping up and down because he missed the 1955 best picture for 5 points to possible win the game. Kudos to the host who doesn't care who wins! (yeah right!)
@Kaddywompous7 жыл бұрын
I want some of that snake oil they're advertising!
@dorman7612 жыл бұрын
the basic flaw in this game was it was fixed.
@tsukune00711 жыл бұрын
you can tell that they were coached how to play, and how to ansewer
@PhobosMD9 жыл бұрын
Best Answer @ 24:30 :-)
@JFGecik11 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia, this was in November or December of 1956. The two men faced off in four games.
@furrywhalesforlife112 жыл бұрын
Van Doren talks to much, if he had talked less it might seem more real.
@davemitchell1169 жыл бұрын
Who's the better actor, Van Doren or Stemple?
@GuardianDiancie8 жыл бұрын
None of the above
@thelocalmaxtax7 жыл бұрын
Dave Mitchell Stemple.
@secondstring6 жыл бұрын
Stemple by default. Van Doren's terrible.
@bpot229 жыл бұрын
Correction: Herb should walk out with $49,500. Because $2500 X 7=$20,000 and Herb had $69500 coming into that game so he walked out with 49 1/2 grand.
@goodolgranite82476 жыл бұрын
And Thus, The Great Game Show Scandal Of The 1950's Began
@begs546 жыл бұрын
Charles Van Doren. What a crappy actor. Man, even if I didn't know this was rigged, you could tell he was doing and saying everything on cue... Herb Stemple showed more class for taking the dive, And the amount of BS coming out of Jack Barry's mouth. He should have been black listed from tv. But the 50's were about ratings and knocking radio on it's ass. AND they had heavy hitting sponsor's like Geritol. Big bucks.
@1punch_man7 жыл бұрын
Charles was one freaky looking dude.
@zebra356711 жыл бұрын
the Marty question : 10:30
@victorsbookshelf884410 жыл бұрын
I have read a bit about the scandal involving Charles but I don't know much about it. Was this whole episode "fixed" or "rigged"?
@FreakieFan8 жыл бұрын
watch 1994's Quiz Show, it's all about that scandal, it's a great movie
@visaman11 жыл бұрын
In some towns there was just one channel.
@MrLehnerd11 жыл бұрын
was there not a Movie made from this if i remember
@jhillst8 жыл бұрын
Aside from the rigging, the thing I don't like about this game is the "stop the game" option. It gives the leading player an unfair advantage; the trailing contestant should be allowed a fair chance to catch up.
@dan0ms8 жыл бұрын
The contestants don't know how many points the opponent has. That is the catch.
@jhillst8 жыл бұрын
go dog: I know, but still...if a contestant has, say, 16 or more points at the end of round two, there's a good chance he/she is in the lead and is going to stop the game.
@lilypad79710 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for herb. They made him say the wrong answer on the easiest question at the time.
@mikegillis61577 жыл бұрын
when was the question that van burren knew?
@wackyworldnews11 жыл бұрын
quiz show
@ccie1293311 жыл бұрын
Herbert Stemple = Sheldon Cooper
@premierscd11 жыл бұрын
Semple's life was basically ruined after this and he went with a vengence after the show. The book states that Van Doren was extremely handsome. Where? He looks and acts like a schmuck............
@MrElidioto10 жыл бұрын
I need Zarumin too !
@SumusVelgos12 жыл бұрын
We can see that Van Doren is a rookie here, he's such a bad actor ! He would learn fast, though.
@hamburg13066 жыл бұрын
Stemple said idea behind fix was to get close competitive games to build drama. Both players in on the fix. Completely staged and choreographed. But Marty question looked too obvious to miss and not stopping game up 16-0 were clear signs of a fix
@ROXKSTARPRO9 жыл бұрын
Even if the contestants could not hear each other, can't they see the reaction of the audience? and make a determination on that?
@mikesauer81969 жыл бұрын
The announcer says at the beginning that they can't see out because of how they do the lighting.
@Sbrownlee9 жыл бұрын
Actually, as the host states near the beginning of the game, the lighting in the booths prevented the contestants from seeing the audience.
@Steve23JJ7 жыл бұрын
im missing something probably. why (if they can't go down under 0pts) they dont start with a 11pts worth answer?
@witherblaze7 жыл бұрын
Stefano Carta getting it wrong with the other getting it right can put you at a major disadvantage.
@IndexBoy11 жыл бұрын
Interesting. And I think I have tired blood.
@monkfan727 жыл бұрын
Not quite how it happened in the movie. :D
@Aryanbrotherhoodboxing7 жыл бұрын
Disney War by James B. Stewart brought me here.
@louiscucci498210 жыл бұрын
William Moore - No
@watermelonlalala8 жыл бұрын
The only thing the average American would think is one guy is tall and the other guy is short.Van Doren is neither aristocratic nor charming. Mumbling and looking down at the ground is not charming. Stempel is an average looking guy and deadpan, unlike the freaky guy that played him in the movie.
@robynsegg8 жыл бұрын
That "freaky guy" is John Turturo, and he's a damn good actor.
@margplsr31207 жыл бұрын
true - but Ralph Fiennes is amazing. Maybe in 50ties this guy was consider as aristocratic and charming. It was so long ago.
@bobtheballoon89477 жыл бұрын
Brendan Hall my exact thoughts!
@ryantheroper11 жыл бұрын
can geritol fix boredom?
@kissesarestitches11 жыл бұрын
at this point it was only herb stemple who knew the game was rigged. No one had coached van doren, and his 'unnatural' appearance was ...completely natural.
@zacheryalderton77976 жыл бұрын
He was jogging before he had a ❤ attack correct
@RealMudSkipper7 жыл бұрын
The movie botched this.
@drb12017610 жыл бұрын
Is that Bob Sheppard the Yankee announcer in the ad?
@robertpatrick51888 жыл бұрын
This announcer spelled his last name "Shepherd." In addition to being the voice of Geritol and the products of the J.B. Williams Company, he was announcer for "Ted Mack and the Original Amateur Hour" in the '60s. That show was sponsored by Geritol, by then owned by J.B. Williams, and the company's other products such as Serutan and Lectric Shave.
@PaulThePuppetier11 жыл бұрын
not 60 years ago,it wasn't.
@whitneybennett90459 жыл бұрын
blah, he knew the full name of the writer, and paper, and not the title of the article...yeah right! Did he behead her? Yes he did, you did it! 2,3,4,5 wives and what happened to them...they all died! haha great entertainment, is that how they justified the deception. I wonder if the writers think they were being smart or brilliant
@jdpoel7 жыл бұрын
Stempel*
@ancamg12 жыл бұрын
The society we live in stinks!
@bartvandervelden197010 жыл бұрын
That's absolutely not true. Both players knew all the answers before.
@zacheryalderton77976 жыл бұрын
He died
@warsilver9912 жыл бұрын
Ah the 50s... unforgettable, yet very forgettable..
@DuendDoPapelCelofane12 жыл бұрын
Oi carol.
@MrElidioto10 жыл бұрын
I need Geritol !!!!
@robertszvetics2108 жыл бұрын
+johnny rotten me too i got tired blood
@randyking305711 жыл бұрын
Show needed a scandal; it's one big sleeping pill.
@robertszvetics2108 жыл бұрын
it was marty you kavoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@vinlajluv18 жыл бұрын
Poor casting by Robert Redford as the character who plays Herb (John T) is much more outspoken and "nerdish." Quite disappointing, Mr. Redford!
@RainmanCT7 жыл бұрын
right because historical accuracy is the only consideration when casting a film
@Ronbo7107 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And the guy who played the gameshow host would have made a better Van Doren than Fiennes lol.
@cellardoor75006 жыл бұрын
Laju Balani totally disagree. It was well casted. You couldn’t do better.
@requiemforamerica843210 жыл бұрын
politicians then, like today were quick to jump into the bandwagon of public sentiment for their own ends while i agree that the whole thing was sold to the people as being "about slavery" probably even then, politicians themselves most definitely used it for their benefit , just the same as they do today
@kissesarestitches11 жыл бұрын
at this point it was only herb stemple who knew the game was rigged. No one had coached van doren.