Twilight ~ Lost in Adaptation

Did the film adaptation of Twilight stick to Stephenie Meyer's book?
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[@trevingrayek1671]

“Bella decides to do extensive research on the subject, and, by that, I mean googling it and believing the first thing she reads on the subject.” And people say this series isn’t based in realism

[@jdatlas4668]

...and finally that weird scene in Fifty Shades makes sense.

[@heatherduke5410]

@@Jason_Bryant I feel like it was even a thing on the show, Teen Wolf, tbh.

[@Rikku147]

Oh God Bella is an antivaxxer

[@angelined9814]

Are you saying this rash isn't the first symptom of bubonic plague?

[@jonasquinn7977]

That just makes me think of the Robert Pattinson interview where he makes fun of the clan of ancient vampires using google images to research vampire pregnancies

[@markmeasinner]

It took me about five minutes asking myself ‘why is he doing this again?’ before I realized he’s never done lost in adaptation for twilight, he just reviewed the books.

[@deepseafish257]

THANK YOU, I was trying so hard to figure out why this both felt as if I had already seen it and completely new at the same time!

[@Miss_KittyFantastico]

Same lol

[@soshiangel90]

saaaaame

[@swatisaini6447]

Thumbnail had me thinking it's a book review of midnight sun untill I read the title after watching for 10 seconds 😂😂😂

[@NeoConker626]

@@swatisaini6447 SAME

[@atiredfloridian777]

Oh god, you're putting yourself through this again? Sending you my sympathies. Breaking Dom 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

🤣🤣🤣

[@incitossol]

I know it’s cause of the actual title, but wouldn’t Vampiric Boogaloo fit better?

[@titanlink7898]

*Electric Bellaloo

[@incitossol]

@@titanlink7898 Shit that’s good

[@MadameChristie]

Aw jeez. Someone needs to have an ambulance on standby when he gets to the CGI baby XD

[@katthunter6561]

Meyer did actually write some interesting characters she just lacks the skill to get it across or the wherewithal to know when to present certain things as negative. Take Edward. He's a telepath so he knows everything someone is thinking. He spent the first decade or whatever of his life drinking the blood of humans who were about to/ did commit terrible crimes, and justified his murder of those people as such. But in doing so, he would obviously have such a god complex, deciding who lived and died. He eventually stopped because he didn't want to kill anymore, but that's such an interesting idea l. Now in the books, he has, for years, been surrounded by teenage girls fawning all over him and teenage boys being jealous, so he hears all of that unfiltered adoration or hate knowing that he wouldn't be able to fit in with any of them anyway, so he gets a superiority complex and you see that with how he treats Bella- as a child because compared to him, every teenager he meets is. If he could read Bella's mind, I don't think he would have been half as interested in her, he would either have killed her or just left Forks because by knowing her thoughts she's just as vapid as the rest of them but extra tasty. Being a telepath, no one has secrets from him. He isn't allowed a boundary because he can hear everyone's unfiltered thoughts about him, so I'm sure he would eventually slip into not thinking boundaries were important at all. So now you've got a character with a god complex, a superiority complex, and a complete lack of understanding of boundaries because of it all. What a fascinating character this could have been if Meyer had gotten Bella to make Edward realise these things and be a better person because of it.

[@leigh-anjohnson]

Something I hated about these books was that no one, not Bella, his parents or his siblings ever seriously called Edward out on his bad behavior. There was no character growth where they recognized their flaws and overcome them for any of them

[@Warriorcats64]

@@leigh-anjohnson No one called anyone out for bad behavior. Bella was not a saint. Jacob was not a saint. It goes on.

[@saraquill]

I’m now imagining Edward forming a partnership with Light from Death Note.

[@leigh-anjohnson]

@@Warriorcats64 Bella was as f*ing creepy as Edward, let's be honest

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

Meyer seemed to have a talent for including something interesting in her work and then pushing it to one side to focus on something questionable or boring.

[@CartwAalbiel]

Tbh the weird blue choice is one of the things that makes this film memorable. Good? Maybe not, but the film does have a very memorable ambiance in general and the interesting colour choice does play into that.

[@Tazzie1312]

I feel like "shit's blue" was kind of a thing at the time, too? Like on Smallville, Metropolis was constantly blue.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

@@Tazzie1312 yeah, I do remember a lot of movies at the time having this weird filter and limited color-palette. I think a lot of movies were also into the edgy stuff. I maybe wrong though, I was kind oc a kid then lol.

[@Thenoobestgirl]

That is true.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

That is why Dominic compared it to Battlefield Earth.

[@CartwAalbiel]

@@schwarzerritter5724 imo it's a lot better than battlefield earth. BE is a film you just watch for the pleasure of seeing the trainwreck. Not twilight...

[@toothless3835]

xD "relatable dumpster fire that is robert patterson." Dom, don't ever change.

[@andyhighroller8217]

so weird- I was at 19:14 when I got to your comment while scrolling on my phone, which allowed me to just follow along while Dom _literally stated the entirety of the quote you referenced_ lmaooo

[@YggdrasilAudio]

Wait...what have I missed?

[@howradisit]

@@YggdrasilAudio Robert Pattinson is probably one of the most lovably neurotic actors in all of Hollywood. He's a riot in interviews. He is basically the embodiment of chaotic energy. I remember an interview where he talked about a female stalker he had. It was going on for a while and eventually he relented and went on a date with her. After the date, he never heard from her again. He's just so weird.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@howradisit Thanks but how is that being a dumpster fire? EDIT: That tends to imply that something is spectacularly bad.

[@sammydray5919]

Why did he call him dumpster fire?? He seems like a nice guy ngl

[@lizryan7451]

That Shiny cover and the story about finding the entire box set in the garbage are amazing. You know what they say, one man's trash is another man's... different kind of trash that he can make fun youtube content out of!

[@ofthewilderwoods]

If you go to a goodwill, library sale, or thrift shop, you will find at least one set of twilight books. 50 shades of grey too. It’s just how it is lol

[@BlackVeilSavior]

@@ofthewilderwoods yes but that’s because it’s popular enough to be a staple and everyone’s worn out or passed through at least one copy of one book in a series. You’ll always find a Star Wars, game of thrones, or Star Trek novel.

[@bthsr7113]

@@BlackVeilSavior You won't find a Star Wars Box set in the trash though. At least I hope not.

[@screaminggecko7660]

@@bthsr7113 maybe a prequel box set

[@alisaurus4224]

I discovered one of my favorite authors, Laurie R. King, because someone left a book of hers in the trash at the Starbucks where i worked

[@hunterfox6176]

9:30 While the lack of boundaries does make sense for his character(being a telepath does kind of remove majority of boundaries between people, seeing as you can hear every private thought they have without their consent), it should be treated as a negative. This guy has never had any boundaries with people, so he would have problems respecting someone's desire for privacy when it's presented.

[@mariaah3073]

Honestly, people keep saying Edward is boring but if his character was approached properly it would be a lot more engaging to watch him. Being confronted with the bad parts of himself (the ones that he ignored, not just the killing and the "I don't have a soul bwah-bwah" thing) would make for a more obviously flawed and conflicted character, it would be a hell of an improvement.

[@leigh-anjohnson]

@@mariaah3073 True, but sadly I think such complexity is beyond Meyer's inclinations or capabilities as a writer. She can come up with half-way interesting concepts but seems either incapable or ignorant of the need to go further than the most bland, surface level exploration of it

[@KelpieRider]

@@leigh-anjohnson excepting for horror, I remember the vampire c section scene terrifying me as a young teen. Bellas described as skeletal and broken from the inhuman thing inside her, and then being eaten into by Edward to get at the baby. Hands down best written scene, didn't make me love the baby tho, or the idea of being pregnant for that matter. Something Meyers mormonism probably didn't expect.

[@leigh-anjohnson]

@@KelpieRider Meyer thinks she's a romance writer. But her romance comes across as horror 💀 with how creepy her characters are. I'm actually writing a Twilight as a horror story with my own characters and my own take on vampires 🧛‍♂️

[@JMObyx]

@@leigh-anjohnson Well, if Stephanie Meyers took THAT criticism the way Scott Cawthon did with his first game (the man who created Five Nights at Freddie's) then I do indeed believe it would be possible for her to make something wonderful.

[@ThaliaVSD]

This movie just embodies teenager awkwardness so well I find it endearing, the cinematography and color grading is clunky but I think the campiness just makes it more of a teenage movie than the others with their huge budgets

[@Kagomai15]

Oh absolutely same, I agree with every issue brought up about these series, book and film, but god I love this movie so much

[@jackmesrel4933]

@@Kagomai15 Yeah, I remember watching this one at the time out of curiosity and thinking "well, this isn't so bad, it's entertaining but definetly not worth the adoration it has". Then I read a bit of the 2nd book on a library, and wanting to burn it for how bad it was. Then I learned about the "imprinting" stuff. Since then I hated this whole series with a passion, besides this movie, the movie is fine

[@noelbernabe8704]

Yeah, I appreciated the first movie for what it was. There was a certain indy charm which was lost in later versions. The teenagers talked and dressed liked REAL teenagers. They were awkward and dressed like their moms bought their clothes at the supermarket (apart from the Cullens) and it worked. There was a charm to the first which didn't translate in later movies.

[@sensen4161]

@@Kagomai15 frfr !!

[@5ft4inprotagonist24]

as cool as it would have been to have a diverse cast for the Cullens, it would have been incredibly awkward with one of them being a confederate soldier

[@hayleybartek8643]

Not sure how awkward that would have been. Immortality and shared burdens might mean more than being on different sides of a war where everyone else is long-dead. And Jasper left the Civil War just to be thrown into another one, so maybe that gave him a certain perspective on war itself. Then again, the American Revolution vampire was singing the same song against the Volturi as he did the Brits. But oppressive hierarchies exist no matter what you eat. Meyers should have written her stories about the side characters.

[@stephanie22345]

But it would have been a good opportunity to address how he changed since his army days

[@unhackerthelaziestbastardo6083]

@@stephanie22345 It would've been, but I don't really think Meyers cared about that. She basically wanted to show that he had experienced loss, so just was like "Eh, he's a confederate!" How much of this is also tied to being a Mormon, we're not sure.

[@trequor]

Why? Many confederate soldiers were black. The real issue is that vampires are supposed to be PALE. It's in the lore.

[@PortiaDDoesStyle]

@@trequorSo are you saying that black people just can’t be vampires because they have brown skin 🤣 So…what happens when you bite a black person? Nothing??? What about an Armenian? Or Native? Or Indian?

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"I half expected John Travolta to jump out dressed as an alien and start chewing scenery." That's item #124 on the list of ways to improve Twilight.

[@jasonblalock4429]

Relatedly, is it wrong of me to kind of wish Dom would talk about Battlefield Earth?

[@patrickfrost9405]

@@jasonblalock4429 Yes. Let's do it.

[@markchapman6800]

​@@jasonblalock4429 I never saw the film, and (unusually for me) never even finished the book, which I got 90% of the way through before thinking "I don't *care* how this ends!" When I saw beloved Australian reviewer David Stratton's total bollocking of the film, I thought "So it was faithful to the book, then!" Yes, I too would love to witness Dom's suffering, having to work his way through both! 😈

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

@@jasonblalock4429 I've never thought I was cruel, but...

[@jasonblalock4429]

@@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 The really funny part is that the movie actually makes the book WORSE. And I'm definitely not defending the book here. (Although I have argued it qualifies as "so bad it's good.") But the movie is genuinely even more stupid than the book - like that whole business with the human rebels learning to fly Harriers in a week which are magically still working after 1,000 years. As dumb as the book is, the movie is even dumber, due to changes that seemingly have no reason behind them.

[@randoful]

“…poor writing, deeply selfish character’s abusive behaviour, casual racism and deep issues” Don’t forget the Grooming! Jesus don’t forget the grooming 😳

[@alisaurus4224]

I’m sure we’ll hear about it when he does the later movies. VERY sure

[@billuraral1870]

we'll get to that

[@danicakelly2242]

That’s definitely the first bullet point listed under “deep issues”

[@laurocoman]

Can you say that word and still be monetized here?

[@isacami25]

@@alisaurus4224 yeah,that's what i was thinking. there's no grooming in this book. the sequels tho... omg, the sequels.

[@hurricanechild217]

Early! I have no clue why you would do this to yourself Dominic, but I am beyond excited for the content.

[@CSHallo]

His audience does seem to like watching him suffer.

[@lydiafayre9806]

I think that's why he would do it to himself.

[@LucyLioness100]

He suffers for our entertainment. I feel bad he has to revisit all this

[@Strannik01]

Sweet, sweet algorithm, that's why. Now, I'm just waiting for him to review the Crossfire series. Or Gabriel's Inferno.

[@christinaify]

One of the most baffling things about the Twilight franchise is that every single vampire who isn't Edward has a much, much more compelling background than him. It's almost as if Meyer threw in some murder so his past wouldn't be completely uninteresting compared to, again, literally every single other vampire.

[@pedrovallefin8406]

I feel like he was made to be uninteresting. Partly to match with Bellas blandness, and partly because hes the archetype of "the Beast". You know, the cool asshole that has done horrible things becomes better after falling in love with some beautiful girl (nevermind that Edward dosent really change all that much though the story).So, because he has to fit the archetype he cant have a particular complex story like the others do.

[@noelbernabe8704]

I honestly don't believe Edward is uninteresting. I think his backstory as a mind reading vampire who went on a vigilante period is as interesting as anyone else. Really the difference is we got 4 books and 5 movies focused on him, to the point where he was ramemd down our throats. THat in contast to characters like Carlisle or Jasper getting 1 chapter exploring their history. If Twilight focused on Carlisle instead of Edward for 4 straight books, we'd probably see people argue Edward was more interesting and deserved more focus. I think the only character that is legitimately uninteresting is Bella... but that's sort of by design. Lead female protagonists in YA fiction are designed to be blank slates, so teenage girls can self insert themselves.

[@coiler_119]

I dunno, dying in a pandemic and not getting the chance to join the army to fight in WW1 is pretty interesting. It also explains to some extent why he's stuck in a permanent state of sulk -- though he quite literally dodged a bullet (and mustard gas) by not joining in the fighting, there was still a sense of extreme patriotic duty for men to enlist and a social stigma against those who didn't. That, and it seems like he embodies the nihilism of the Lost Generation, although I doubt any of this was intentional

[@icemanlj2k7]

*cocks shotgun* "Alright, bring him in" And that, ladies and gentlemen, was the moment Billy Burke not only became the best character in this movie, but also became one of my favourite actors. He was 100% the best part of this movie series

[@jbvader721]

Team Mustache Dad!

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

I'm tied--is Ashley Green or Billy Burke the best? Both are so adorable and perfect for this movie of the entire cast. I'm most assuredly Team Alice, but Charlie is a good dad who tries but fails. I hate the way he's treated through all the books/movies. I also wish they'd have given Alice's backstory screen time, but there is a video where we see her and her family on YT. Also, if you like Alice, Ashley Green is doing a Vlog series The Twilight Effect.

[@juliamavroidi8601]

i was always so weirded out by the disgruntled parents of Twilight fangirls relating to him so much when he's just as shitty as every other character until I realized that while in the books he's a big manbaby who lets his ternage daughter mother him, in the movies he's the only one acting like a real human being.

[@LynnHermione]

Charlie was a delight and once the films started trying to be funny on purpose he was in his element. The scene where Jacob takes off his clothes in front of him in Breaking Dawn is gold

[@Cruizinelli12]

I think Michael sheen was one of the better actors in those movies too. He and billy Burke seemed to be the only ones on set who didn’t take it so damn seriously- because it’s twilight.

[@shinyagumon7015]

The best thing that came out of Twilights success is undoubtedly that it allowed it's leads the financial stability to do what they wanted instead of what paid well. Robert Pattinson made some of the best films of the decade because of it.

[@archibaldthejester42069]

Speedwagonnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

[@thepacksurvives71]

THIS. The Twilight movies are so bad I thought Kristin and Robert were terrible actors lol

[@JL-jh5oy]

Not to mention it showed the world that no one hates Twilight more than Robert Pattinson.

[@thewingedporpoise]

Robert Pattinson is a fantastic actor, I know this from only seeing The Lighthouse

[@some_metalhead]

*its leads

[@ItsHyomoto]

As much as I kind of hate the changes that are made in some adaptations, if you are going to deviate ... yes, a jetski battle is precisely the type of "In Name Only" I am rooting for.

[@Xehanort10]

In that script Bella was actually a badass. Not the helpless completely dependent on Edward damsel she was in the book and finished film.

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

Dom, do you know the channel "Cinema Therapy"? The two guys, Jonathan and Alan, are a therapist and a professional film-maker respectively, and you should hear the two of them dissect these movies. I'm with Jonathan in his disgust over Edward's emotional abuse and gaslighting of Bella.

[@darkservantofheaven]

I love that show! Edward: I've killed people before Bella: I don't care Cinema-therapy: WHY?!

[@SecretAgentYaya]

Sounds neat, got some free time over the weekend, might check it out.

[@lucieb.7991]

I was looking for a comment like this. Cinema Therapy is amazing! I hope Dom sees this comment and checks it out.

[@serenitysilvermoon]

@@lucieb.7991 Cinema Therapy and Dom crossover when

[@bradwolf07]

I had never heard of that channel...now I have a new channel to check out. Thank you

[@alisoni4992]

One of the BEST things Meyer added when writing midnight sun is that in the baseball scene when James, Laurent, and Victoria are chatting with the Cullens, jasper is subtly shielding Bella and Alice from them by controlling their moods and making them seem utterly, mind-numbingly boring so the nomads will glance at them and move on quickly. It only fails because of the gust of wind that blows Bella's scent towards James but wow I thought it was such a good detail for her to include Also I loved that Charlie's thoughts are hard to read too, like Edward can only see abstract feelings not specific thoughts Otherwise that book was painful to read and I'd love Dom to give it a crack 😈

[@MarianFK]

Huh, have to admit, I like that thing about Charlie's thoughts too. It makes Bella's snowflake uniqueness something more of an inherited trait that she shares with her family (which in better hands could have been explored at to why some humans naturally blocked vampire powers) than a "oh you are special!" thing that only she can do for no apparent reason.

[@chansesturm7103]

@@MarianFK Was there ever a clear explanation actually given for Bella's (and thereby Charlie's) resistance to telepathy and other vampiric abilities? I haven't read the books, but from what I've heard it doesn't seem like that's ever been explained in detail. Or why some vampires have powers at all, now that I think about it.

[@Dylan-vs6sf]

@@chansesturm7103 Some humans just have powers in Twlight. Like Alice could see the future as a human which got her locked in an Asylum. Becoming a vampire makes you better at everything though so your general powers increase. See Bella going from having her own shield to being able to shield others as well. Even if you don't have a supernatural power as a human though, sometimes becoming a vampire makes one if you were super skilled at something as a human

[@alisoni4992]

If I'm not mistaken, her mom also has an inate power to make people?? Drawn to her I think?? Like Edward talks about how she has this quality that makes people feel like they HAVE to help her, which I also thought was kind of cool. So Bella has supernatural qualities on both sides of her family

[@chansesturm7103]

@@alisoni4992 Wait, so is that why Bella's blood smells so good to vampires-they could literally smell the double-layering of magic inside of her?

[@liimlsan3]

20:37 - Fun fact for anyone who says the books aren't bloated and annoying and full of fluff - the four Twilight novels combined have a higher word count than LORD OF THE RINGS.

[@crkinjiraretaai]

That... oh that hurts. My brain needed literal minutes to comprehend this. I need to Google.

[@gianna526]

oh my gosh... really does show that the materiel in the book changes how long it feels.

[@idab9958]

WHAT???????

[@planegoesnyoooooom]

oh my goddddddd

[@hjt091]

Not that surprsing. Of course four books are going to be longer than three books.

[@EdBurke37]

Man hearing this books plot laid out like this really just hammers home how much of it was stolen for Fifty Shades

[@princeapoopoo5787]

And somehow made 500 times worse

[@flowapowa4307]

Please tell me you're joking 😗

[@TiagoJoaoSilva]

Geut Galai It's well-known that Fifty Shades started as a Twilight fanfic with the serial numbers filed off...

[@Frosting1000]

Tbh that’s usually how fanfic works, it just gets into a grey area (no pun intended) when you choose to publish and make a crap ton of money off of it

[@aceofspades9503]

..............50 Shades of Grey would have been a LOT better if it had included a random out of no where supernatural baseball scene. 😁

[@admech590]

Twilight, like its characters, will never die (no matter how much a lot of people want it to).

[@islasullivan3463]

I'm pretty sure the reason why it's lived on so long is actually because of the hatred towards it.

[@jaginaiaelectrizs6341]

No, it can't die .. because it was born dead.😶 😅😅 (😉🤣)

[@sakuraryuji01]

The things sometimes that helps characters survive is some of the supernatural side characters in twilight were written way better than they should had been. In other hands maybe you get novels and novels of fan fiction or something that gives credit to these characters. The Tribe of Wolves, Jasper whole physical and mental changes as a vampire during the American civil war, how Alice with her gifts would be making the culled and others a killing in crypto currency etc, Rosalie being a urban legend in Chicago.

[@gyrozeppeli00]

Being controversial helps prolong your series's lifespan, not in a good way of course.

[@samf.s8786]

Most people watch it now for Nostalgia Purposes, recognizing all the "flaws" in there. And I can't resist watching a video of someone taking a very justified dump on it, even in 2021.

[@carnuatus]

I feel like Kristen Stewart is attractive but not in a "movie star" way. She's attractive in a "normal person" kind of way. If that makes sense at all. And not at all trying to insult her, just why I think this works.

[@laurenc4138]

My friends and I said that when these first came out. She’s like a cool/pretty girl you went to school with but not like hollywood pretty. Unlike rob pattinson lol

[@deadacc2816]

she’s attractive in the “all of my sapphic friends talk about how hot she is every time they see an image of her” sort of way

[@anarchomando7707]

Of course the media is kind of obsessed with how to make beauty in their own standard (Honestly she looks pretty normal just give the damn girl some sunlight)

[@FreorgeWeasley]

@@deadacc2816 lol, as a gay woman, I wholeheartedly agree

[@amityislandchum]

@@laurenc4138 I feel like "unlike Rob Pattinson" could go either way... Is he "normal attractive" or "Hollywood attractive"? They prettied him up for this movie (plucking his eyebrows, shaving his sideburns, dyeing his hair), so he looks a lot better in this movie, but I feel like his normal look is not Hollywood attractive at all. It's definitely grunge attractive, though. He also had the star power to not let them pretty him up in the sequels, so he gets progressively uglier as Bella gets progressively prettier, lol.

[@liv97497]

Say what you will, that baseball scene is ✨iconic✨. The blue filter? Unmatched. Catherine Hardwicke is a genius. I love that they leaned into the cringefest that is twilight. This movie is exactly as cheesy and intense and dramatic and weird as my 13-year-old self wanted, and even now, it still brings me joy - like I can't believe I was *that* obsessed with something and I can't believe it was this. It's honestly amazing.

[@florenciabalori3625]

Totally! I wad maybe in my mid-20's when I saw it and I still enjoy watching it. Just the first one, not the others.

[@demonoflight]

I had to laugh when Dom brought up Jasper's actor's gormless expressions when he's trying to look intense because that was one of the biggest complaints everyone about him when he was in The Last Airbender. Some things never change! I watched the first Twilight movie in a near empty theater on a whim despite disliking the books and was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Dom brings up a lot of the reasons why, so that feels good.

[@Makkaru112]

he's a great actor but he doesn't have to emulate same old same old looks and expressions, he played the character nicely.

[@Weirdanimalboy]

Why am I only now learning that he played Sokka in that awful movie

[@GriffinPilgrim]

I continue to feel Stewart and Pattison were hard done by as a result of this movie. I've seen both in stories with actual characters and they can be pretty good. But people see them, they think Twilight.

[@alienboy1322]

Both Stewart and Pattinson have put the overhype train of Twilight behind them and starred in better films.

[@RabbitShirak]

@@alienboy1322 Pattinson definitely, but Stewart? Like, where?

[@alienboy1322]

@@RabbitShirak Personal Shopper, Still Alice, Camp X Ray, Happiest Season, Underwater, Spencer.

[@alexandrahoward3686]

@@alienboy1322 Underwater is so underrated and so, so good 👌👌👌

[@wingracer1614]

@@RabbitShirak You know IMDB is a thing right? Look her up. She's been exceptional in some amazing movies.

[@trinaq]

Twilight would actually be entertaining if it focused more on the side characters than the bland love triangle trio. Rosalie, Alice, Jasper, Leah, even Charlie... I could watch an entire spin off on them all!

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍

[@chendror872]

I've seen actual twilight fans who would agree with you

[@espifreak]

Especially Charlie.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@espifreak The dad was the best character

[@RainyDays2790]

Rose was "graped", repeatedly by her fiancée and friends, then left in a ditch to die, she became a vampire and slowly hunted down each and every one of them saving her former beloved for last. Ed was literally vampire Dexter, idk emmit or alice but i know that jasper was a general in both the confederate army and the vampiric one. dude even Carlisle being a vampire dr would have been cool to see/read. SM did a small book about the short second life of bree tanner and i shipped her and diego more and cried more for her lives and death than bellas. and you go into that one knowing the ending!!

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

I remember discussing the book with kids I tutored. The one point I tried to make clear was that the reaction to someone coming into your bedroom without permission isn't "that's so romantic" but "restraining order."

[@uma4158]

I really appreciate that. Back when 50 Shades of Grey came out, I was trying to explain to a 16 year old that none of it is romantic. And is in fact very abusive. She refused to listen. Every argument I gave her was ignored because, and I quote "But he changed in the end for her!" I've never wanted to toss a teenager out the window as much as that day...

[@leigh-anjohnson]

@@uma4158 I read Twilight when I was 14 and enjoyed it as popcorn entertainment, but I was able to recognize what was creepy, weird and wrong with these characters. I felt sad and scared for others girls my age who couldn't see that.

[@jbcatz5]

@@uma4158 If I were on a jury for that, easy Not Guilty.

[@uma4158]

@@leigh-anjohnson Yea, because we're entertained by the dumpster fire. It's when people get legit into it and basically worship it, it gets really scary.. But then again, all fandoms are like that..

[@uma4158]

@@jbcatz5 Window? What window? There was never a window. They just fell. Repeatedly.

[@MitchieNichole]

"It's just too hard to imagine Cavill dating a teenager." - You went there and I'm glad you did!

[@kitchenprincess321]

I was saddened to learn this from here lol

[@jadenbryant9283]

@@kitchenprincess321 to be fair his grilfriend is 19 but still it Werid very fucking Werid

[@ambriaashley3383]

@@jadenbryant9283 oh shit. Legal age or not. That's a teenager. She was in high school/secondary school 1-2 years ago and he's in his mid to late 30s, right?? Jesus. I don't get the appeal

[@Yolanda8419]

@@ambriaashley3383 he is dating a 32 year old and he is 38. I actually read that today and I hadn’t heard about the 19 year old. I think he is very private and since he now dates someone close to his age, at least he’s not Di Caprio that constantly goes for younger.

[@arr0w769]

i do agree that its a bit weird, and a bit concerning if it were a pattern but they did break up fairly quickly. Cavil hasnt had any other issues and from what ive seen a large part of the reason they split was that cavil became uncomfortable with the age gap, also important to note is that the age gap was ~11 years when it happened which is far less creepy than mid to late 30s

[@skibot9974]

2:15 well except Patterson given he played Cedric in Goblet of Fire. Now that I think about it Patterson is probably the only Harry Potter child actor whose most well-known role isn't from that series. I hope for his sake that The Batman does well because he's an amazing actor and I hate that most people only know him from this series.

[@ScreechTheMighty]

I'm here from the future. Everyone I've seen freaking loves Battinson and I'm convinced it could be a new career defining role for him.

[@carleycarleyb]

I remember seeing an interview with Rob back in the day and he was asked a question about the audition and his response was something along the lines of “I only took the audition to meet Kristen Stewart” Hence maybe the idgaf vibe 😂

[@silverkyre]

He lies in interviews sometimes i bet he just thought it was a funby thing to say

[@judeannethecandorchannel2153]

That is funny

[@stephanie22345]

@@silverkyre well now I don’t know which is a better story

[@WantSomeWhiskey818]

@@silverkyre My favorite Rob moment is that he straight up lied about watching a clown die at a circus in an interview

[@DuelaDent52]

I love how this series started as “Maybe we were all too harsh on Twilight and I just got caught up in the anti-hype, maybe the criticism was just unconscious sexism” to “I take it all back, this was as bad as everyone says”. Friendly reminder that MCR were approached to write a song for the film but refused.

[@azuregriffin1116]

Blood Money was the result, right?

[@js66613]

Really? They could have poked fun at it with the song and even had a hilarious time. "This series' trash Edward's on hash..." There I started the lyrics, you can finish them.

[@DuelaDent52]

@@azuregriffin1116 I think that was called Vampire Money.

[@jellyjilli1004]

The Soundtrack for this series is immaculate 😔

[@megancastle5573]

Say what you want, but Decode by Paramore fucking slaps to this day

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The "it's for teenage girls" defence reminds me of when people defend media by saying "it's for kids": as though that wouldn't be subject to a HIGHER standard, not a lower one. The fact that it's targeting teenagers is exactly the reason we should be critical of its content, they may come away with some very bad ideas.

[@meggoldnight]

Exactly! I didn't realise how toxic Edwards and Bella's relationship at times until I was an adult and honestly I wish I had known because my teenager years sucked

[@persiemmon-895]

I think the whole "people hate it because it's for teenage girls" thing really prevented any real constructive criticism of why it's actually bad until more recently

[@driathunderwolf677]

(I'm a lesbian for reference) I read these books religiously in high school, so much so I was writing fanfiction of it. During this time I got my first girlfriend. She reminded me so much of Edward at the time and I fell head of heels for her. Long story short, she became abusive. To the point the only real safe place I had was those books. They gave me hope that things would change. Edward got better. Eddie changed. She will too. She loves me just like he loves Bella. It'll get better. It didn't. It got worse. Now is any of that Meyers fault? No not really. But did her works have an affect on me and kind of push me to stay in a bad relationship? Yes it did. Unlike media for young adults and adults, media for teens need to practice a bit of mindfulness. And parents need to better monitor what their teens get into.

[@monicaaboites5053]

You still having things like ReyLo being it "canon" (people defending that is not a toxic shiip) and movies like Kissing Booth and fifty Shades of Grey being relevant, is evident that despite to analyzing and hating Twilight, we still not advance at all.

[@trevingrayek1671]

But if we did that, we’d be acknowledging children/teenagers are people, and that’s farther than our society is willing to go🙃

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

I feel the need to point out like Angela that none of the Cullens are actually related. Sometimes the couples break off and live alone. Them being couples isn't really weird, especially Alice and Jasper - her vision of them aside, they met in a bar or something and started dating, eventually deciding to join the Cullens (Alice acted like she knew them all before they even had any idea what was going on).

[@panonymousbloom5405]

Yeah, Alice and Jasper have an awesome meet-cute tbh. Rosalie and Emmet is a bit weirder but hey.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@@panonymousbloom5405 I just find it funny that Emmett mistook Rosalie for an angel and Carlisle for God.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 it is pretty funny. And again, why every side thing she writes is 2829% more interesting? *Sigh*

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@@panonymousbloom5405 If there's any decent fanfiction writers, maybe they'll expand on it. Not EL James, but I've found some decent stories from other fandoms.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@@panonymousbloom5405 Just thought of something else mentioned in Eclipse that I wish had been a bigger scene - Edward and Alice playing chess. It's like twenty minutes of them staring at the board with Edward trying to concentrate on both what Alice is thinking and changing his mind over the next move and Alice also trying to see Edward's next move without thinking about her next one. Bella describes it as the funniest thing she's ever seen, and I wish they'd expanded on that scene, just having some light, fun moments where Edward doesn't take everything seriously. All we hear is that he won the game and then Bella played Jasper, who won by a landslide.

[@byereality7492]

"Not seeing the world that way" As like, a half defense of Meyer here, I also grew up as a Mormon in Utah, ingrained in that specific culture and history, so I can say with certainty that statement is absolutely true: we aren't taught to see the world that way. It's absolutely horrible, inexcusable in the current era, and is something I had to consciously change within my worldview for several years. While the group of people five years younger than me are actively fighting against that notion, the people five years older still cling to the idea that everywhere is like Utah (which is a HORRIBLE thought). So like yes, Meyer has that worldview because of life circumstance, but also none of those things are good ideas to have.

[@later_babes]

i grew up protestant so please correct me if i’m wrong (bc tbh i’m not sure if meyer is a fundamentalist where this could potentially be seen as normal or even if her mormonism is to blame here), but could her incredibly narrow perspective on the world based on her upbringing also explain why all the cullen siblings are dating? i always saw it as a strange plot point, but after learning about and researching the flds and other small sects of religions, i figure nothing is impossible in the world of cult-y theism. i’m so sorry if this sounds ignorant, i’m just genuinely curious if it could have been a factor, if at all

[@tinahawley320]

@@later_babes Incest is indeed taboo in Mormonism, so I doubt her upbringing was a factor. I suspect a more likely reason is she wanted all the other Cullen siblings to be in relationships so that there was no chance of any of them competing for Bella's attention, and she didn't think through the implications, as she failed to do with many other aspects of the plot. She also might have thought that she made it clear enough that they were adoptive siblings, though personally I still find that squicky.

[@keiribbit]

@@tinahawley320 from what I remember, there is a short passage in the first book where Jessica whispers to Bella that the Cullens/Hales (because Jasper and Rosalie are passing for twins under a different name, technically separate to the Cullens) are all dating each other, and they all live together. Bella's instinct reaction is that it's a small-town mentality to be scandalized by that, then immediately admits to herself that even at home that would've caused gossip. I think Meyer was trying to imply that because they were TECHNICALLY different pairs of siblings, it wasn't weird, and it was just them all living under the same roof that would be questionable. but.... you know.... still.

[@tinahawley320]

@@keiribbit That is an excellent point. I was thinking more about how readers would view it than how in-universe characters who weren't in the know about the Cullens being vampires would.

[@DukeSkylocker]

Is 14 agents rejecting the early draft for Twilight really that unusual for a first time writer? As I recall, Pierce Brown said he was rejected by over 120 agents before finally someone accepted Red Rising. Given that agents will typically only read the first 5 or 10 pages of a novel, I would imagine most authors have to deal with a lot of rejections before finally getting that all important first novel published.

[@katara2021]

It's ever author's greatest fear. Sometimes its your work's fault, sometimes its just not what the agent is looking fall, a lot of times its just that your novel's premise has fallen behind the trends. Lots an lots of rejection.

[@Tazzie1312]

It is absolutely not. Only being rejected 14 times is a miracle.

[@asgharabbas2193]

Meyers is very lucky. 14 is nothing. Elmore Leonard was rejected by 80 publishers and he was actually talented!

[@overlydramaticpanda]

If you're pursuing any kind of creative career, you're naturally always going to face a *lot* more rejection than success because this is something everyone thinks they can do so these industries are constantly oversaturated with talent ranging everywhere from genuinely extraordinary to non-existent. And with often only a few minutes/pages to make any kind of significant impact. Rejection can be hard to deal with but it's something people just have to get used to if they actually want to get anywhere. Hell, I'd be *proud* if my first book was picked up after fewer than 20 rejections.

[@amityislandchum]

I can't believe anyone ever agreed to publish it. It's so poorly written, both technically and plot-wise. I've read much better from high school essays.

[@robstewartstewart98]

6:24 As soon as you said "creature of the night" I was like, "HES BATMAN!?" In that split second, I was being silly. But then I remembered....Now he IS Batman! #synergy

[@gregcourtney7717]

If they ever do a live action version of that vampire batman, I think we know who would play him.

[@KeikoKeepSmiling]

Lolll.

[@Xehanort10]

@@gregcourtney7717 The Bloodstorm and Red Rain comics aren't they?

[@thestoryfactory8429]

Twilight hits a nerve because it's a stealth interpretation of Snow White . People feel an inherent familiarity with the story of a young girl meeting 7 odd balls in a secretive wood and being hunted then brought back to life by a "kiss" from her prince. It's always seemed very blatant to me, but most people seem to be oblivious until you point out the similarities, and then they can't unsee it.

[@merri-toddwebster2473]

Whoa

[@magicarp79]

That explains the red apple.

[@elenafriese891]

Welp, I didn't expect to have my mind blown at 9: 30! Thank you!

[@ellecee2890]

@@magicarp79 I always thought the apple was a reference to Eve. Hm...

[@leigh-anjohnson]

You just had to say it

[@autonomousAcquaintances]

Im from Washington State so the blue tone was actually good for me. It perfectly encapsulated how things looked and felt like- as far as color goes. Its so cloudy the sky is grey most of the time. I felt very seen because of the choice in lighting

[@crkinjiraretaai]

I didn't even notice the blue tint the first watch through because it's such a normal color for me, if jacked up to 11. It definitely felt like washington!

[@theclockworksolution8521]

Ikr this was the first time I watched a movie and was like, “this actually feels like it takes place in the PNW”. I kinda wish they kept that aesthetic for the rest of the series.

[@aspen1713]

The idea of having a super diverse cast to play the Cullen’s is such a fun idea, it’s a shame Meyer vetoed it.

[@samf.s8786]

@@my_cousin_mose9782 There are good actors of color.

[@hughcaldwell1034]

@@my_cousin_mose9782 You didn't say otherwise, but your comment implies there'd be a tension between choosing good actors and choosing a racially diverse cast. As for such a thing being "just as boring" - that's only the case if you think that the complexity of stories you can tell with a racial mixture of characters is "boring" in the same way that the more limited stories you can tell with a homogeneous cast is. Also, if it really were a boring non-issue, people wouldn't get all up in arms about so-called "forced diversity" before a film even came out. Stop pretending that race is a neutral issue in either casting or story-telling.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

@@my_cousin_mose9782 you clearly dont if you think that having a more diverse cast means that there won't be good acting

[@carlrood4457]

It really wouldn't work, logically, since they've been playing at human family life for centuries. They simply couldn't have pulled it off without being harassed until maybe 50 years ago.

[@BrutePowerPunk95]

@@carlrood4457 Ssh, people don't want to think about how it'd written. They just want the forced diversity causing the story to change. It wouldn't work and depending on who they picked, they'd still complain. Oh they made rosalia -this race- because shes a bitch, they made Alice -this race- because people think she's crazy. You can't change character race without making them complete saints.

[@docvince1491]

No one hates Twilight as much as Robert Pattinson.

[@stephaniewilliams6756]

At last the humor and soundtrack of the movies get their due. There was something very self aware about everyone's performance in the whole series, well except Lautner he played Jacob as straight as possible with very little deviation from what a jerk he became. Edward became a more awkward relatable guy stuck in his teenage years, Bella became a softspoken force for good

[@DianiES]

This about the self awareness in their portrayals with the exception of Taylor Lautner is something I’ve been saying for years. It’s was kind of an inside joke between them that got to us as we were growing up back then. It was kinda great lol

[@pagodrink]

"Hardwick described Meyer's as "not seeing the world that way" "Ah, I see that Meyers is taking the Tim Burton method when it comes to diversity 🙃

[@morley364]

"Meyer had pictured the Cullens as white, so white they must remain" Funny, since I'm pretty sure she pictured Jacob as Native American AND YET-

[@tananario]

@@morley364 Mormons have this really gross fetish about Native Americans. Like super, duper gross.

[@StarryEyed0590]

@@tananario Don't (at least some) Mormons believe that Native Americans are actually descendants of one of the tribes of Israel?

[@RiveroftheWither]

@StarryEyed0590 Yes and they believe black people are all descendants of Kane, as in Kane and Abel and that their dark skin is a punishment by God. Mormonism is vile like that

[@euansmith3699]

Tim Burton, "But... but... but... characters in my films are famous for wearing clothes that are both black and white; so there's diversity, right?"

[@limbobilbo8743]

“Hyper intelligent koalas” Dominic, australian here, you are just describing koalas

[@LePetitDoll]

The blue tint was one of the great things about the movie, it highlights the indie feel of the movie as a whole (the director, production company, the actors, the choice of artists in the soundtrack, and symbolism) I can understand why some might not like it, however, I really think it captures the story (of course I'm not counting the major issues of it).

[@frankie9373]

honestly Imo the blue tint, nature shots, mood, and music (and, after actually learning how chill the main cast is irl, the main cast) are the good parts about the movie theres something comforting about that the story and writing just sucks balls

[@leaffinite2001]

Im still not a fan of the camerawork but ill admit i doubt they wouldve actually done better color grading than judt blue on everything

[@stevejolly8231]

I've often thought that the first twilight could have been much better if instead of being sparkly the vampires looked horrifying in sunlight, semi translucent skin, noticeable fangs. That sort of stuff. Would have made it more interesting

[@jdatlas4668]

That... is actually a surprisingly good idea.

[@dysmissme7343]

Ooh that’d be a small but extremely powerful change

[@Vainone009]

If Meyer just called them SOMETHING ELSE she could have kept them as they were and not pissed off at least 40% of the people who hated the story. Vampires come in lots of different flavors, but when they don't need to drink human blood, can move around in the daytime, are unharmed by sunlight and have goddam SUPERPOWERS, then they really aren't vampires anymore, are they? She coulda called them 'Cold Ones,' alluded that their myths were distorted over the ages to became what we know today as vampires and half of her detractors would have never existed...

[@AirQuotes]

Oo good point

[@jessie5903]

@@Vainone009 True, and this idea sounds a lot more interesting than straight-up vampires. However, I disagree about the traits you think would discredit being a vampire. Dracula wasn't hurt by daylight and could walk around in it, and also had superpowers (scale vertical walls, super strength, mind control, etc.). Plus, a lot of more modern stories with "good" vampires in them have them drinking animal blood instead of human blood; it's like the de facto way to signal that the vampire is one of the good ones (if not the only good one). Sparkling in sunlight was a new take, but it fits for a romance story and isn't inherently bad; just different, which some people may like and others may not.

[@NexusNoxCS]

I may have been conditioned at this point, but hearing "Hallo, my beautiful watchers" always brings a smile to my face and all the warm fussies.

[@judeannethecandorchannel2153]

Btw--my late husband Claude Steiner coined the phrase "warm fuzzies" in his children's book A Fuzzy Tale~🥰

[@loganmarcum4495]

I ended up watching all five films in high school just to see what they were like, and I just remember thinking “Not terrible, but not impressive”

[@Closer2Zero]

Having read the entire series as a teenager, my feelings about the series can be summed up in this; the only time I laughed in the entire series was when Bella freaked out about Jacob falling instantly in love with her infant daughter, and kicking his ass out the door. My feelings were further progressed into irritation and tiresome, when the movies came out and they were painfully tiresome. And the second book was basically a complete waste of time and could’ve been condensed into maybe 10 pages total

[@CBSmith-js9yl]

The oddest thing I can’t get out of my head about this first book. After chapters of general skip over of time and events in Bella’s perspective (school, travel, sleep etc) We get this overly long explanation of Bella listening to a cd of music she doesn’t like to help concentrate? It’s an odd choice in a series of odd choices.

[@Barnowl65]

As much as I don't like Twilight and the legacy it created, I have to admit that seeing the behind scenes of the cast goofing off is kind of adorable.

[@Knight-of-Sarcasm]

Look up the YT series The Twilight Effect. Alice aka Ashley Green is one of the hosts and they're doing a "watch through" of the entire movie series and breaking it into pieces. Ashley relays how she felt in this scene or in that scene. Like the blue dress Alice wears at Bella's 18th birthday party, Ashley has a very strong opinion about. HIGHLY recommend it. I do admit I fast forward through the sponsors though at times.

[@jediping]

I enjoyed the first book okay, the second one had some interesting bits, but by the third one I was firmly on Team “Bella needs to go to college and grow up and marry someone normal, not either of these hormone-ravaged teenagers.”

[@joelmole3157]

To be honest, it's a miracle that both Stewart and Pattinson got stable careers after this but I'm glad they did. They seem like solid actors.

[@krystlvines]

Stewart was the first American to win the French Oscar.

[@jbvader721]

And thank God for that.

[@unhackerthelaziestbastardo6083]

Honestly, I can't imagine wanting to act after that film, because they got so much fuckin' hate as a result of it. Like I remember Stewart getting talked so much shit, because Twilight was the first major film she acted in, and the performance (which was kinda like Book Bella, which is to say quite emotionless) was less than steller.

[@lauraboyd8666]

I'm ashamed to say I actually liked this book in middle school and early high school so I went to a book signing where Stephenie Meyer where she brought up the fact she was a Mormon several times and it makes her writing make so much more sense.

[@killgarraghforever]

*Breaking Dom 2: The Reckoning* In the all new sequel to Breaking Dom, the Dom will delve into the Twilight series once again, risking life, limb and sanity to save his channel from the dreaded Algorithm. Beautiful watchers will be left to ask the fateful question: "Will this finally break the Dom?" "Excellent! I could watch this all day." - Robert Patterson "I love it. The filming quality is great and the humour is hilarious!" - Bella Swan "I hate it - how dare this Brit criticize my work and it's film version?!" - Stephine Meyers

[@apieceofbitsandpieces342]

The only thing I can say about all the Twilight Movies is that they have pretty good soundtracks.

[@chasehedges6775]

Especially A Thousand Years

[@coiler_119]

Oh for sure. Linkin Park, Death Cab for Cutie, Paramore...

[@chendror872]

Too bad these awesome songs are wasted on whatever these movies are supposed to be

[@chasehedges6775]

@@chendror872 These movies had no idea what they wanted to be

[@chendror872]

@@chasehedges6775 yea and that includes "good"

[@teighler4444]

Have you thought to fo Pratical Magic? I've just read the book and it's perfect for lost in abdication and if the bones of the story wasn't there I would say it's an In Name Only candidate. It's a beloved halloween and comfort movie in my family and I was excited when I learned it was a book but was a bit disappointed with how different the two were, especially the ham-handed romance thrown in at the end, the book is definitely a product of its time but it's mind-boggling how they cherry picked details and made a(in my opinion) descent movie.

[@bradwolf07]

I had no idea Practical Magic was a book. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am a bit. I enjoyed the movie when I was younger. Sandra Bullock is a great actress

[@seabreeze4559]

and goran visnjic is hot

[@charlirogers6235]

Yeah I read the book, and the opening bit with the woman and the love spell still haunts me, it was so disturbing and oddly relatable. The movie is a staple of our Halloween viewing in my house as well. Its been awhile but I remember the tone being crazy different. It'd be very cool if he covered this title.

[@jasminessomewhere]

@@charlirogers6235 Oh gosh, yeah I tried to read the book after seeing the movie but the love spell bit horrified me and I didn’t make it very far beyond that. A bit too much for me.

[@MyLittlecat1]

@@charlirogers6235 Now I wanna know the details, what exactly happens? Since I can't find any details of it online.

[@ThatSpaghettiWeevilKitty]

I love how everyone just glosses over howJasper fought as a confederate soldier for slavery during the Civil War...

[@PlanetZoidstar]

That's why I don't have an issue that the Cullens were exclusively white in the books - they grew up in a very racist time. Edward included.

[@olhydra]

@@PlanetZoidstar Agreed, but it would’ve been cool for it to be written from a more critical perspective, rather than the family just being extremely glorified. Not that I expected more from Stephenie Meyer lol

[@hoykfnvnnesnxnnensncjforkx1616]

That aspect could've easily just never happened and it wouldn't change much, or having him be on the other side, or him simply thinking he would die if he didn't, etc. They made him feel proud of it......so weird

[@FaeQueenCory]

@@PlanetZoidstar moderately disagree, since they show no indication of having grown out of that way of thinking. Which given Meyer.... Yeah. I ain't saying she a ⚪ supremacist.... But.... I'm definitely thinking it as hard as I can.

[@brittanybecker170]

@@PlanetZoidstar , the 'back in the day' argument for racism completely ignores that lots of people back in those days were indeed taking action against racism to the extent of armed conflict. So Meyers has no excuse.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

I love how even when you are reviewing deeply flawed works like "Twilight", you acknowledge what was good about the book / movie. There usually is something good, even if it's hidden among a whole lot of badness.

[@cuteypetz]

Dom: "it's too hard to imagine Cavill dating a teenager" Me, ignorant: "oh no... is that sarcasm? please don't--" *curb your enthusiasm meme music* Me: ... i don't know why i even hoped for anything else

[@lennon7022]

Dominic tormenting himself with lost in adaptations about bad or silly stories is my favorite kind of content.

[@samf.s8786]

Yes, same. Does that make me kinda sadistic though? I like Dom, should probably not think it's a good thing that he's making a video about something we both (And a lot of other people) dislike.

[@Mephistophelolz]

According to his wiki, Taylor Lautner *does* have some native ancestry from at least three different tribes on his mother's side...

[@asgharabbas2193]

Yeah, I never confused him with being white. He always seemed native to me. He has other issues though. Like being a terrible actor .

[@StardustWhip]

True, but I've seen an interview with MTV where he mentions that his family found out about their native ancestry through preparing for Twilight (specifically saying "I am part Native American. We learned that through [preparing for] this film. I'm French, Dutch and German, and on my mother's side, she has some Potawatomi and Ottawa Indian in her.") So it did luckily work out, but the studio still cast an actor that they didn't know had Native American ancestry, for their hot Native American boy.

[@moona3206]

They still should have casted a native american actor instead of a white one with a distant native background.

[@asgharabbas2193]

@@moona3206 true . That's why I'm shocked that he's considered white. I thought he was native and that why they casted him. But hollywood is not considerate.

[@Oliviagarry69420]

The alternative universe definitely sounds like a joke for Rick and Morty. Like Rick taking Summer to that universe for some reason because it’s Rick

[@Flerken7135]

any chance you’d consider doing a Peter Pan lost in adaptation, I’d suggest the 2003 movie

[@KatherineOrKatNotKatie]

Just watched your videos reviewing Twilight from last year, and I wanted to respond to your confusion as to why anyone would like these books. For a little context, I was 12 years old when I read the first book back in 2007, and I was a die hard fan until I was about 15. I really loved these books back then because: 1) I was a literal child. 2) Because there was so much manipulation, emotional abuse, and gaslighting I had to deal with from my own mother. I never saw the actions of the characters as problematic because a lot of it was pretty normal to me. I also think I rationalized their behavior because that what I had to do with my own mom. It’s been over a decade since I considered myself a fan, but I wasn’t until your videos that I realized I had forgotten SO MUCH about these books. It was really shocking to listen to your summaries about the books I used to love as a child, through the eyes of an adult. I definitely agree that the books were wish fulfillment for people who had bad self esteem. I used to dream about running away from home, and starting over. Plus, finding a hot dude who was obsessed with me would’ve been a nice bonus 🤣🤣🤣 I’m sure my experiences don’t apply to most people, but I’m sure there are others out there who can relate ✌🏻

[@cendriyas.9357]

"Sell soul to Cthulhu" OMG, if I woulnd't love your content already, I would start right now! I love the little unforseeable details you put in your videos!

[@BillyAndersonYT]

You’ve really been putting out a lot of content lately, man! Love it!

[@BillyAndersonYT]

@Dexy Nash You say that like it’s a new thing 😂

[@robinhildebrand6012]

This movie is, and remains, the only part of the twilight series I have ever seen. It must be tough getting through all this twilight stuff for us viewers, so thanks for that. The videos are great as ever!

[@jessicawilson1751]

I wish I had been able to do that. The only reason I saw the second movie was because my college roommate went to the midnight release and I was not going to let her walk there at night on her own. We went with our boyfriends as well, and our boyfriends and I wore anti-Twilight shirts that we made. I predicted every fangirl scream moment and that was the most fun I had because the movie was so boring.

[@robinhildebrand6012]

@@jessicawilson1751 oh hey, the reason I watched Twilight in the first place was because my friend read it and he didn’t want to watch it alone

[@kittykittysp]

Honestly I had such a weird grudge against Hardwicke for a while after I moved from my Twilight phase to my anti-Twilight phase and now I can appreciate her vision as a director and how hard she works in an industry that won't let her forget Twilight. Also, love the story about the books being in the garbage lol

[@clairep.ronalds897]

the credits song is absolutely fantastic. 10/10 I've really been appreciating the reevaluation of twilight. I mean, I still don't think they're good, but it's important to recognize when something is being hated on past the point of reasonable critique... which mostly seems to happen to stuff that teenage girls like... keep up the great work!

[@pedrovallefin8406]

Is that credits song a parody of something? I ask because i woud like to hear it on its own but its weirdly not in the channel they said in the video.

[@mygutsaysmaybe1509]

Having seen that Jack Whitehall Netflix special, I'm loving the nickname Relatable Human Dumpster Fire

[@DukeDukeGo]

Wait, I distinctly remember reading in a teen magazine ca. 2010 that the people cast as Quileute all had native ancestry. Did that just not apply to the main Quileute character? Or did this bastion of journalism lie to me?

[@Frosting1000]

Think they just meant the background characters

[@sakuraryuji01]

It was likely secondary characters and extras that were of Native American ancestry. Not sure on the main cast but for Booboo Stewart he is for sure a local from Los Angeles who is from a variety of Heritages including his father side being Blackfoots.

[@lilalaunebar1384]

I do believe Taylor Lautner said that he had Native American ancestry, though it is distant. So I think calling him a "white boy with a tan" is not really a good choice of words here.

[@later_babes]

@@lilalaunebar1384 you do have a point here, but it is worth noting lautner didn’t know about the distant native american ancestry until they began filming for new moon (? i think. based on the interviews i’ve read), and even after said he gets the color from his french side :/ a bummer really, considering meyer’s fictionalization of a real life native tribe, that they couldn’t find a more genuine native american actor for the role

[@lilalaunebar1384]

@@later_babes well, I didn't know that, thanks for telling me! But I think this still doesn't change the fact that calling him a white boy is factually wrong. How would he know that his tan comes from his French side anyway? The ancestry is there and I think it is important to take note of that. I do agree that the studio should have cast someone really knowing that the person was of Native American decent, but that is largely their fault. He also could have (and should have) said no to the role. And I'm happy that these days people are more aware of this and actors actually decline roles that weren't meant for them in the first place.

[@bootsthecat6718]

I found out about the Twilight franchise from a movie trailer, I thought it was just going to be a cool action movie about vampires.

[@breezy3392]

You poor sweet summer child

[@BonaparteBardithion]

Speaking of book 2, it was especially bad about this. I knew from the book that the second film was primarily about a moody teen love triangle with a side-trip to Italy tacked onto the end. But the trailer prominently featured the stuff from Italy. Much like the final book itself, it built up the Volturi as this great and terrible threat that fizzled out after a few a strong words. My dad, who had only seen the trailer, was sorely disappointed and even a little miffed at the false advertising.

[@berengustav7714]

Check out The Old Guard.

[@thomassaxon8254]

"More hot and cold than a tap in a student dorm"... I wasn't aware you'd shared my miserable first year Dom...

[@GoatGirl665]

Any chance you’ll do a video on Midnight Sun someday? There is a high speed car sequence to the dance studio that’s worth reading on its own. Also apparently Meyers vampires apparently have skin that just goes white and the darkest they will be is a olive tone. Also if they had tattoos they will lose those to in the transformation. All has to do with her Mormon background I think.

[@veselinnedkov643]

So we could have had some cool albino-looking black vampires. What a missed opportunity. Btw, not really related to the topic, but I have the suspicion that whoever it was that first used "olive" to describe a skin tone hasn't seen an olive in their life.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

I really wish she had just read a Vampire The Masquerade lorebook like once. If she had, at least her vamps might have a little consistency in their non-consistency.

[@risuwolf]

I just got to the part about Meyer wanting all the Cullens to be white. As a hopeful writer myself, I will admit I imagine most of my characters as white but I've often thought if it was ever adapted and they wanted to cast someone of color, or if it was animated and they wanted to change the race of one of my characters, I would be absolutely fine with that.

[@charischannah]

Am having flashbacks to my teenage conservative Christian self in a very white town writing a YA novel where only 2/3 of the main characters were white because apparently it occurred to me at 14 that having everyone be white might not be the best idea.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I doubt this was Meyer's intent - but it makes sense when you consider how old they all are. 100+ years old, you're not going to find many white people who viewed nonwhites as human pre 20th century.

[@risuwolf]

@@charischannah I just don't bother to mention skin color in my narratives and let people imagine the characters however they want

[@Ami-zi6si]

Yeah, I specifically choose to omit skincolor in like 99% of my charracter descriptions for that exact reason

[@FaeQueenCory]

@@PlanetZoidstar yeah... No. Given Meyer's background.... It was 100000000% intentional. Why do you think she was so assblasted over the suggestion of having non⚪ people? Her background precludes that. It's why she put her foot down.

[@Great_Olaf5]

Okay, I might actually want to watch that alternate universe version of the movie... I'm decent with a gun, and I mean, even if they're super intelligent, they're still koalas, right? They can't be *that* threatening.

[@LittleMissLounge]

I mean, koalas could absolutely claw and bite your face off with little problem, as cute as they are. 🐨

[@magicarp79]

Koalas also have the voice of death.

[@Great_Olaf5]

@@LittleMissLounge Oh, I wasn't referring to their cuteness. I was referring to their ridiculous biology. Of course given that most of their physiological problems are related to their stupidity, I suppose most of those would necessarily be gone if they were intelligent.

[@TheAmityElf]

DOMINIC, I was literally just rewatching Breaking Dom for the millionth time, lol. I conscientiously enjoy the books and conscientiously love the movies, so I'm going to enjoy this pretty much no matter what.

[@isabellambert1011]

Can I just say that you greeting your audience as "beautiful watchers" makes me smile every time.

[@maladypond]

"Okay (Dominic cracks his knuckles) Here we go again. Bring it on." Dominic is from Gallifrey, confirmed.

[@WyrmsOfWonder]

can't remember if you mentioned this in your previous reviews, but I know that in the twilight guidebook that "Pale vampire skin is a product of vampire venom‘s transformative process. The venom leeches all pigment from the skin as it changes the human skin into the more indestructible vampire form. Regardless of original ethnicity, a vampire‘s skin will be exceptionally pale. The hue varies slightly, with darker-skinned humans having a barely discernible olive tone to their vampire skin, but the light shade remains the same." which I imagine is debatably canon since I don't know how much mayer was involved in writing it, but coupled to her resistance to casting any actors of colour in major roles is honestly really sketchy to me

[@gwammeh]

Fun fact of the day: Mormons to this day lowkey believe that “all will be equal in heaven” means “everyone who makes it to heaven will be white there”, and since Meyer is mormon…

[@happytofu5]

@@gwammeh please god that cant be true :(( how can people be so effing racist? if anything, we should look like people from israel...

[@hoykfnvnnesnxnnensncjforkx1616]

@@happytofu5 they legit think that black people are black because the devil and white people are white because of God.....it's cringe.

[@hoykfnvnnesnxnnensncjforkx1616]

I'm fairly sure she brought that up to make people shut up about only having white vampires. Even if they were losing color they could've casted pale asians and even albino people of color.

[@happytofu5]

@@hoykfnvnnesnxnnensncjforkx1616 I mean: only imagineing white vampires: sad, but ok. Its her imagination she did not know better. But doubling down on it after getting the chance to make a change? Gaaah!

[@larsnyman2455]

When you see Twilight without the blue filter it hurts a lot more

[@Ronariverah]

In what way?

[@Ficus1493]

My friends and I just rewatched this movie for the first time in a decade. The sequels are all painfully bad, but the original Twilight movie was pure meme-fodder. I'd definitely watch it again.

[@petsan97]

In my opinion Meyer is excellent at setting up genuinely interesting characters but can't for the life of her make anything out of them but cringy teen drama that seemingly act out everything that could possibly be wrong with young love. And of course the good parts can hardly be seen through all the bad writing, horrible story, assorted cultural problems and her uncomfortably gushing thighs. I still maintain that the best story you could have gotten out of what she set up was a supernatural-esque "Meeting of the dads"-story where Police-chief Dad and his best friend Local Indian hunt the bad vampires with the help of their tenuous ally Good Vampire Doctor. Where something could actually come of the "Ancient vampire enemy of the werewolf indian tribe"-story as they've learned to coexist in a strained peace, with Police-chief Dad kinda helping the two get along as an unbiased third party who can keep them focused on the bigger picture. Oh and where the connection to Indian folklore could be portrayed as the genuine and genuinely interesting article, instead of "I heard of skinwalkers and have zero imagination so they're just werewolves now".

[@noelbernabe8704]

She made a cringy teen drama because she was writing a YA novel. I won't call her a great writer, but I do think she deserves acknowledgement in regards to being able to sucessfully cater to her target demographic. (something I suspect most of us aren't anymore).

[@lumpyspacecadet]

The best part is when you admit you found the entire book series in your neighbor's garbage! Next thing you know, you'll be sticking it in your own garbage.

[@otaking3582]

2008, the same year as Rosario+Vampire manga being released in America and getting an anime adaptation. Yes, that's seriously my reason for hating Twilight - R+V didn't get nearly as much attention despite being a helluva lot better.

[@lockmonster05]

Dom, why are you suffering again? I mean, I appreciate your tears of agony, but my deepest sympathies to your sanity.

[@MagileineTopDeckToFullField]

"Hyper intelligent koalas." Me, staring at the definition of smooth brained creatures. To dumb to realize their food is food if you hand it to them instead of picking it themselves: "Huh. Neat."

[@edsainmuramasa4751]

the author wanted the characters to remain the same color as her novel? outrageous, how dare she s/ for real, how is this even slightly problematic, I'll never understand americans

[@XxMCRroxnonstopxX]

Mmm Bella is the only one who says she's plain. Rose might agree out of spite though 😅 so casting Kristin was fine. She was actually perfect for the role.

[@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540]

This won't be appreciated as much in the comments so I'll say it here: nice work matching the colour grading in the thumbnail

[@talic-os5899]

Taylor Lautner is white?????

[@jk4351]

I mean he doesn't look native American, and was obviously cast because he is tanned, which is so annoying, but he doesn't look white to me either?

[@DownWithPlankers101]

To what I read he has some "distant" Native American ancestry.

[@aniflowers1998]

To be fair, as a hobby writer myselfe, I too would want my book characters to look at closely to how imagined them as possible if I had ever got to make a movie out of it. And if that means all the main cast is white, than so be it. I wouldn't want to get them changed from dark skined to white eather if I imagined them with dark skin. They are my creation. If anyone wants to turn them real, I want it to be as close as possible to how I imagined them instead of pondering to some hollywood diversity just for "diversitys sake"

[@lazulitrueblue]

Fellow hobby writer myself. While I would like my characters to look like how they do in their original material, sometimes you have actors that fit the role even if they look different. Especially as you can’t always get people who look like their IRL counterparts or whatnot. I think you missed the point here, mate. This ain’t about Hollywood Diversity and whatever “for diversity’s sake” means. (Although I like to mention that argument is stupid, the world ain’t all white people, unless there’s a very crucial reason they’re white, I don’t see why Hollywood can’t finally let PoC actually shine in movies. I’m sick of how it’s full of white people, and then whenever we get a shot, people bitch about forcing diversity whenever we get excited to finally get included.) It’s about the fact that not every vampire needed to be pale white, yet Stephanie Meyer instead of being reasonable or logical, constantly wants to die on her hill that all her vampire children must be white as milk, and gets upset whenever somebody suggests she gives us some black or asian or latin vampires. She as the creator has the ability to encourage diversity through her work, to actually show what vampires with other cultures are like, to actually give us some goddamn representation in fantasy, where you’re often either white or some unnatural colour. Then again, this is the same person who glorifies Jasper being a Confederate Solider as well as her overall treatment of an actual Indigenous tribe. What I’m saying is, don’t give her a “to be fair”. Not every character needed to be white, she does not deserve to get extremely upset by the thought of diverse vampires, and it isn’t “Hollywood Diversity” to actually make your URBAN FANTASY setting, aka our world mixed with fantasy, at least somewhat as diverse as our real world. So yeah, in summary, Hollywood needs more diversity, and so does our media as a whole. An all white main casts are ridiculous nowadays unless they need to be all-white, or your idea of a group of people important to the story is that they need to all white. Grow up, accept you cannot have everything in your specific vision, and maybe wonder why we call for some goddamn diversity in movies.

[@KaterynaM_UA]

I can tell you are like 16. Thought the same around that age. You will grow yet.

[@aniflowers1998]

@@lazulitrueblue of course more diversity is nice. What I mean by "Hollywood diversity" and "for diversitys sake" is when Hollywood makes "diverse" characters for the sole beeing of getting good guy points for having, for example, a black characters. Those characters are often shallow writen and stereotypical and always will wave there color/ethnetisity around like it's there only character trade (scratch that, for most of those forced characters that IS all of there character trades) No one says anything about good, dynamic and actually human diverse characters. But Hollywood rarely puts the actuall effort in to make those, and that's a shame. (Btw, I'm using Hollywood as an overhead term for the american movie industry. Since not all american movies/shows are made in Hollywood.) If I wanted my book/show/whatever to have a diverse cast, I wouldn't want to do it to get brownie points, but to make interesting characters that just happen to be from different backgrounds. Characters that are actually interesting and have more about them than just there skin color. (Like, for example, Luz from Owl House. She is latina, speaks spanish from time to time, but the show never makes a big deal about "oh my gash, look! A latina mc! Isn't that great?!", which is amazing becouse there is so much more to her character than that. That's the kind of diversity I like! Where the characters just are themselfe and not some card bord cut out sorry excuse of a human beeing) And I know that live action is limiting in how people can look and that you often have to simply go with the actor that fits best acting wise (which is why I like animation more, since how the actors look is irrelevant since there voice is the important thing), but one can dream. If my MC was a chinese girl with black long hair, I wouldn't want to settle on a scandinavian actress that has blond short hair just becouse her acting is great. Sure, the hair color and leangth can be changed through wigs, but the rest of her looks just wouldn't fit. I would keep looking for an actres who at least somewhat looks like my character, like an actres that is actually chinese or at least "looks" asian (for a lack of a better word). For the background characters, not so much. For that I would just pick whoevers acting fits best. But the main cast? They are like the cover image of the story! They are who I put most of my work in, the characters who I relate to the most. Finding actors that looks as close as possible to how I imagined them, that are also good actors, would be fantastic! Also, people more often than not write characters that are from there own etnicity. Since I'm german and as pale as snow, that's what most of my characters look like. If I where spanish, I'm pretty sure most of my characters would be spanish. But I'm not xD And my mind never thinks out of the box enough to "let" me make a more colorfull cast. I think the culture I branche out to the most is japanese? But that's probably becouse I'm extremly influenced by anime xD Btw, just as a side note, I don't know if you read/watched all of Twillight, but the vampire cast does get more diverse as characters from different countrys are introduced. There aren't that many, but there are some. (Also, I don't get what problem american have with Jasper? All the Vampires come from different time periods and places, and he is a pretty good character. There isn't even that much info put into his convederate backstory, mainly just that he was meant to die there. It's been a view years since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure he changed as a person between his army days and book present. There where years in between after all)

[@aniflowers1998]

@@KaterynaM_UA actually, I'm 23. But I always get told I'm a bit imature for my age and a bit of a dreamer. So I'm not gona make a fuss about that.

[@lazulitrueblue]

@@aniflowers1998 Before I commence, I like to contextualize both this and my last comment. As I am half-Black, I take conversations about diversity personally, especially when it relates to characters and writing. Therefore I will state that if I ever appeared upset or pissed off, I am not mad at you unless I do think you are a terrible person. That aside, onto the actual response. I appreciate the clarification, thank you. It is still a major issue, especially with big companies like Disney. I agree character should be more than their origin, even if a part of their character relates to their background. Often when I hear those terms thrown around, it’s often from racists who’s idea of forced diversity is different to yours and mine. You can understand why I might have been a tad pissed to hear them being used without (in my view) proper explanation. I as well agree that a diverse cast should exist to be different and interesting characters with unique stories of their own. (Also thank you for reminding me to watch The Owl House, it’s been on my watchlist for a while.) And while that might be a stretch for Twilight to actually do since Stephanie Meyer doesn’t really explore any of her already existing characters’ interesting backstories, definitely would be nice if she made more of an effort, and wasn’t so stuck up about it. Yeah, the disadvantages of live action suck. Animation is always my preferred style, but c’est la vie. I do agree, I still would prefer an actor to still have some resemblance to their character. I should clarify that what I mean is that considering how many characters in films are not so reliant on their race, it should be more acceptable for PoC to try for said characters’ roles even if they’re not 1 to 1 in terms of skin colour, since we’re often type-casted, if you know what I mean. In terms of the main cast, I agree, they are the main part of the story, so they require a lot more thought when it comes to casting. I’m just tired of it constantly being just background roles, but I definitely understand why you want to really nail the casting. Some of my previous comment was harsher on you for that than I should have been, and I apologize. It’s more my frustration on how Meyer herself refuses to even thought to the idea, considering her infamous reactions to the idea of a more diverse cast. (See her explanation on vampires having being pale, she literally says that they all have to be pale, but darker-skinned humans who become vampires might have a BARELY DISCERNABLE olive tint. That’s just insensitive, especially since skin comes in various ways that aren’t just olive-tinted. As well, it just reminds me of the ambiguously brown trope, in which a character is stated to have dark-skin, but that’s it. They can be theoretically from multiple cultures with dark skin, but the writer doesn’t want to actually give them one. While yes, there are people who it’s hard to tell just by look where they’re from, but the writer has the ability to tell us their character’s ethnicity. Meyer’s way of giving us diversity is giving us pale vamps with a tad olive tint, and saying they can be any culture with dark skin). Indeed, we do generally tend to write characters more often like ourselves . Hell, half of my characters often are biracial, due to myself being biracial. But just because that mindset exists, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to break it. It should not be a checklist, or the like, but sometimes we need to step back and ask ourselves: “Do I really need to make all my characters X?” or “Perhaps, it might be more interesting to make this character Y instead.” That’s my biggest problem with your comment. Acknowledging it and understanding it isn’t enough, we need to encourage writers to branch out more with their characters, just as much as we should encourage minorities to write their own stories themselves. You can still have German characters, and they can still take up say, the highest % of your main cast, but unless it’s required for the sale of the story you’re trying to tell, shaking it up hurts nobody. Even then, there’s always exceptions. Anyways, I admit I’m not the most knowledgable/up-to-date on Twilight. It’s been a while, I won’t lie, especially as I never liked both the books or the movies in general. But regardless, I’m glad to hear. However, just because they have maybe a few vampires from different countries does not exactly mean its’ characters are diverse. Nationality does not equal ethnicity. While sometimes they can be the same depending on the group, Americans by themselves, for example, are not actually considered an ethnicity. Also, on your point about Jasper being a Confederate Soldier. Firstly I’m Canadian, lol. I know we often get compared or mistaken for them, but my username is ArgentumKanada (Kanada = Canada). Secondly, I’m not sure if you’re aware but the Confederate Army was the Southern USA’s army in the Civil War. One of the reasons the south fought the north iirc (cause I ain’t American) was because they wanted to keep their slaves (aka my ancestors). The issue is how they glorify it, as it’s used to effectively praise Jasper as a great fighter. Not to mention, he became a General (or at least some high-ranking position, if I remember correctly), so he cared enough about it to get promoted. And thirdly, according to Meyer, he wouldn’t have changed. Supposedly, once they die they stay the same way mentally. So the implications there aren’t so great about all these vampires from times were white people were less accepting… Yeah.

[@dakusupremacy]

The thing I love the most about the entire Twilight franchise and the conversations that are being had about it, is that no matter how much people disagree about certain topics, we can all *agree* that the SOUNDTRACK for all movies is just completely out of this world. It's so so so good that simply hearing the first few notes of Eyes on Fire instils bittersweet nostalgia in an entire generation. And I will always, always, always love Twilight for that.

[@yvaincallipso84]

The Twilight movies had every chance to be amazing. Gorgeous cinematography, incredibly good actors, great soundtrack, effective special effects and really interesting/new premises for the vampire mythos. If only it had a good plot.

[@ShadowKaiserin]

Oh kind and wonderful Dom, thank you for putting yourself through this for our entertainment. We do so appreciate it!

[@marieiver1160]

Props to dom for being so objective, can't wait for eclipse lia lol

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

As The Grand Archpriest of The Church of the Algorithm, I bless this video with a comment.

[@larsnyman2455]

Praise Be

[@mariealexandrinne6997]

Amen ?

[@The-bi5ry]

The explanation they could've used to explain Edward's stalky behavior could've been that as she's his singer - her blood sings to him, him keeping tabs on her was something he couldn't literally control. Does that make it better? No, but it would've made it interesting if Edward was trying and failing to stay away from her. Or make it so that Edward, due to being able to mind-read can't really shut off thoughts he hears so he's always bombarded. When Bella shows up, he feels peace when he's near her for the first time since becoming a vampire, so while he's actively stalking her and he knows it's dangerous for her, he just does it for selfish reasons.

[@aidanfarnan4683]

I spat out my Tea when the song at the end was "Shiny!" Well played.