Twilight Eclipse ~ Lost in Adaptation

[@Mobysimo]

And so Twilight continues to Break Dom

[@kowo1610]

I Love breaking Dom is my favorite book😂 Edit: or Playlist

[@trinaq]

"Breaking Dom"... That should be the title of his next Twilight video! 😂

[@PavelThorsonos]

​@@trinaq it's the title of his book review/readthrough series!

[@kowo1610]

​@@PavelThorsonos the funny thing ist i did not thougt about the Playlist as i wrote the answer.

[@Arv4789]

Funny usually it's the Dom who breaks some one.

[@therongjr]

T̶e̶a̶m̶ E̶d̶w̶a̶r̶d̶ T̶e̶a̶m̶ J̶a̶c̶o̶b̶ TEAM CONSENT

[@ConniJo]

And Team Therapy xD

[@nathlack6170]

Team Alice

[@tristanhartup4936]

Team Mike

[@TheLastSane1]

@CollinGerberding Alice's worse trait is she likes to play dress up and becames she can see you will eventually agree to do it she just figures why even fight it. But she is living vicariously because she had no memory of being human so she is using movies and books as a guideline. She just needs a little structure.

[@luigiboi4244]

I’m Team Thor.

[@maarekstele2998]

Jasper even mentions that vampire armys were common in the south which makes the unions victory even more impressive

[@shinyagumon7015]

Continue the proud tradition of Twilight of focusing on the least interesting parts of its universe. John Brown Vampire hunter novel when?

[@maarekstele2998]

@@shinyagumon7015 please john brown vampire hunter novel

[@Ebonzai]

I mean don't doubt the prowess of Abe Lincoln.

[@Rawnblade13]

​@@shinyagumon7015Now that's a book I'd read.

[@cocobutter3175]

​@@shinyagumon7015 Why is that such a freakin' great novel idea? I need this to be written. I went to school in Alabama, and the way my history teacher taught us about John Brown was... Gross. This was an AP history class, and he said the civil war was fought only over states rights, and that John Brown was a crazy guy, who went and got himself killed when he tried to get slaves to rise up, but they were too submissive and scared to follow him. I was pretty upset, when I learned the truth about that era of history.

[@NeroCM]

The part of the book where Edward and Jacob are discussing Bella knowing the story of the third wife is accidentally hilarious. Not because of what's written, but because it can be summarized like this: "Why did you let Bella know about the story?" "It's part of my people's culture and of the story of how we became wolves. I thought she'd like it." "And you didn't consider that Bella might try to fit the role of the third wife and commit suicide to help one of us?" "Oh shit you're right what was I thinking"

[@Lanoira13]

The fact Meyer didn't make this a throuple with two supernatural boyfriends desperately trying to keep their stubborn dumbass human girlfriend alive is a crime.

[@ettaetta439]

​​@@Lanoira13 Oh, but why do that when she could add a crept imprint plotline instead? I like to think that the reason Jacob got feelings for Bella is because she had that egg that had future Renesmee in it. Since sperm that is not ejaculated (aka is still in the man's body) can last for 74 days, a few weeks before the wedding Jacob must've started having very confusing feelings for Edward lmao. Must've been a hell of a time at the wedding, being "in love" with the both of them.

[@Lanoira13]

@@ettaetta439 HOLY SHIT DUDE, I'm pretty sure the part about Bella is LITERALLY canonically why he was so attracted to her, like I'm pretty sure the text is like "It was always bc of her", which by effect means THE PART ABOUT EDWARD LITERALLY HAS TO LOGICALLY BE CANONICAL. Whether this is a biological process or a spiritual process doesn't matter, bc no matter what Edward as RyanRenolds' father is just as much "half of her" as Bella is. The only thing that being spiritual could possibly change is how LONG Jacob was attracted to Edward. Like if it's spiritual, there could be some fate bullshit that she was always a part of them both regardless of biological processes, in which case he could've been attracted to both of them the entire time. But EITHER WAY, Jacob HAD to have been attracted to BOTH of them for SOME PERIOD OF TIME, like CANONICALLY. ADD: It could've been SO FUCKING GOOD both story quality wise and HILARITY WISE to have the call back to the creepy imprinting shit that Jacob EXPRESSLY HATED AND DIDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN TO HIM, for his partners to accidentally have a child AND THEN REALIZE HIS FEELINGS FOR BOTH HIS PARTNERS WAS BECAUSE HE WAS IMPRINTED ON THEIR GODDAMN DAUGHTER, and then have to REJECT and OVERCOME the imprinting, REFUSING for it to take over his life or force him to feel anything but paternal love for their daughter, meanwhile he has to fall back in love with his partners, now confused that he has more attachment to EDWARD than his childhood friend because their relationship was less influenced by his biological imprint than his relationship with Bella. THE "YOU NICKNAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCKNESS MONSTER" BEING A MARITAL SPAT WHILE JACOB IS GENUINELY FUCKED UP AND TRYING TO HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH HIS HUSBAND AND WIFE, MEAN WHILE FUCKING EDWARD IS JUST LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF, LITERALLY HOWLING WITH LAUGHTER AT ALL OF THIS BECAUSE HE JUST FOUND OUT HIS WIFE'S NOT FUCKING DEAD, THEIR DAUGHTER'S PERFECTLY HEALTHY, AND HE'S OFFICIALLY JACOB'S FAVORITE, LITERALLY NOTHING COULD RUIN THIS DAY FOR HIM.

[@ettaetta439]

@@Lanoira13 GIRL YOU GOT INSPIRED BY THIS AND IM NOT EVEN MAD 😭😭 You need to write a fic about this or smth because now I'm invested too. Also I'd love if imprinting was actually non romantic in nature and it turned out the werewolves were all misinterpreting the imprinting thing for centuries because of how common it was for the two people to fall in love afterwards. It'd make it so much less creepy istg

[@Lanoira13]

@@ettaetta439 I mean Jacob straight up says imprinted people will be happy to be in whatever relationship the imprintee wants, but also kinda goes back on that by saying "but why wouldn't they want to be with them, they'll be the perfect partner" and implying the default assumption is that even people who's imprinted person imprinted on them as a baby when they were an adult will still end up in a romantic relationship, even though that doesn't make sense to be the default end state without grooming, given if you raise someone or they raise you in most situations people will almost certainly consider that their child/parent, and if imprinting includes and biologically encourages ANY form of loving relationship why would that ever change, even if they both live an extended lifespan as werewolves? Not to mention Jacob, if Jacob felt so compelled towards Bella bc of the imprinting bond he had with an egg/soul inside her, doesn't that clearly show the imprinting bond can absolutely compel imprinted people to harass, coerce, or even assault people they're bonded to, in Meyer's universe? I have been (very slowly) working on a story based on twilight (and an off handed joke from Alliebeemac's drunk readings of the first chapter about Bella being a murderer lmao) and I do plan for the second book if I do one to focus on getting the throuple together, but I don't know if I'd be able to fit a similar situation in, as it's called "mated/mating/mates" in the story and is more based on any love bond and isn't singular/monogamous. But all the mating bonds in the story currently are pretty intimate in nature and the werewolf family does have a lot of misconceptions about how their own shit works and have a history of toxic customs, so I could definitely work in it being called mating despite being able to be platonic because it's culturally expected/encouraged to be intimate even in rare, inappropriate circumstances, and thus their family is weird about it, bc they assume it can't be platonic or familial, and thus a bonded adult "mate" wanting to be around a child they're bonded with being considered inherently abusive? Not sure, I'll think about it! lol

[@eireduchess]

Rosalie the absolute badass who took her revenge as a newborn without ever drinking anything. Not to mention her hauling Emmett to Carlisle a couple years later

[@margaretschaufele6502]

Now that's self-control. She actually mentions torturing Royce for hours without spilling any blood to keep her from giving into temptation. She didn't want any parts of the men who gang-raped her to be a part of her.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@margaretschaufele6502it reminds me of Seras Victoria from Hellsing when she kills Zorin Blitz: “Even if I were about to die, I wouldn’t drink a single goddamned drop of your evil blood! I don’t want you inside of me!”

[@valentinarunko67]

Hol' up - the writing of _Dexter_ suffered because of tw*light??? I've discovered entirely new planes of hatred for the sparkly dumpsterfire

[@Ebonzai]

I was out with my Mother and JUST said the same thing!

[@sebastianevangelista4921]

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[@thornwalker8970]

Same!! I'm seething in my chair right now!!

[@tristanhartup4936]

She also went on to write Jessica Jones, and that show was about dealing with controlling and abusive relationships, something Twilight glorifies.

[@Ebonzai]

@@tristanhartup4936 Well I think she got it right in JJ, not that she had a choice in Twighlight.

[@osmium3691]

I think Jasper is a confederate in twilight because Anne Rice made her character a southern slave owner to start out and Stephanie Meyer DESPERATELY wants to be Anne Rice

[@sammyvictors2603]

Which is hilariously ironic, as Anne Rice is a talented gifted writer, and Meyer has no talent to speak of.

[@TheLastSane1]

Its also because the character is from Texas and Meyer just went Texas=confederacy even though a large portion of the Texas Army stayed with the union and actually fought their own former allies.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​@@sammyvictors2603 Was, sadly. May Anne Rice rest in peace. But otherwise yeah. Ironically what little talent Stephanie Meyer seems to possess seems well suited to horror. Too bad she's mostly not writing horror intentionally, especially with all the "hey kids, grooming's pretty cool" thing she has going on. (I still find it morbidly hilarious how E.L. James is both ripping off Stephanie Meyer and somehow even *more* talentless.)

[@agentspaniel4428]

@TheLastSane1 Historically, Sam Houston (the hero of the Texas rebellion against Mexico) wasn't happy about Texas' secession from the union after all the hell they went through to join it so you can see why many Texans fought for the union. Whether or not Houston was pro or anti slavery I'm not sure

[@shinyagumon7015]

I heard somewhere that the reason why there are so many Confederate vampires is that Anne Rice used them as a handy American parallel to the sort of Old World Aristocratic Vampires that are so common in vampire stories and then like a lot of popular things other people just copied her work without asking themselves why she did what she did until it became a trope. Also Dom i have the same alarm 😂

[@GriffinPilgrim]

I mean, it makes sense. The plantation owners were basically aristocrats in all but name. Worse really; serfs may have been basically slaves but at least they were acknowledged as being people.

[@shinyagumon7015]

@@GriffinPilgrim It's great, but obviously iffy if your vampires are supposted to be the good guys.

[@sternentigerkatze]

@@shinyagumon7015 I always thought that there is a lot of morally grey area in Anne Rice's books; i.e. there are no 100% "good guys" there

[@shinyagumon7015]

@@sternentigerkatze Oh yeah I meant Twillight here. Lestat is totally morally grey, Jasper is suppost to be a good guy

[@islandofideals6571]

Was that the Sarah Z vid? Or maybe Princess Weekes? I heard that somewhere as well and it works.

[@trinaq]

Nobody hates "Twilight" more than Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, despite it putting them in the spotlight. They really are fantastic actors, since one is now Oscar Nominated, and the other literally Batman. The hokey writing was the real issue.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I will hold judgement until Pattinson gets a Robin and we get the Batfamily.

[@LvXGameMaster]

Didn't Kristen Stewart scream at a signing in front of fans how she didn't want to be there?

[@CharcharoExplorer]

I do not think this is a fair take. When I look back at the interviews at the time, it does not seem to be actual hate the way most of booktube sees it. I believe they cringe at Twilight but they DID enjoy their time with it. And for the first movie we even see they did try their hardest. If anything I believe that them talking with people that hated Twilight and having to still somehow market the movie /not enter with fights about it with random people for no reason, they chose the socially aware route and laughed it off.

[@BellaFalk95]

Both are Oscar nomeniees. Tenet and Spencer.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Also to add to this - the Twilight cast in these modern days, when they have positions of artistic authority with generally more succesful careers - they actually speak with positivity about their experience with the series.

[@munchrai6396]

The fact that the werewolf lore is limited in scope to a single tribe makes its very simplistic origins very flexible. Theoretically, any tribe could do this with any animal, so you could have some sick stuff like eagle and bear transformations

[@lolatulip3609]

Why did this make me think of Brother Bear...

[@GriffinPilgrim]

World of Darkness flashbacks...

[@Squirreltasticqueen]

Not every tribe has a myth like the "werewolf" thing. I think Meyer took a realish myth and twisted it around for the fictional myth.

[@munchrai6396]

@@Squirreltasticqueen That's fair, I just find the idea interesting

[@jaginaiaelectrizs6341]

The books kinda do basically say that, even in this one tribe, it's not totally impossible that they theoretically COULD possibly transform into anything-they just happen to transform into wolves in particular because the werewolves in this particular tribe originated with one particular family who had a personal affinity for wolves. Or maybe I'm misremembering that, idk.

[@aesra5538]

Princess Weekes made a video talking about the weird pattern of specifically confederate vampires...

[@dragonfan8647]

I've noticed that pattern too. Thanks for the video reccomendation

[@cathsaigh2197]

Good rec, I was familiar only with Louis and Jasper. With Louis being an antebellum slaver and Jasper a Confederate soldier I didn't connect dots before but the other examples made the pattern more apparent.

[@artfoex]

Tbh considering vampire lore (not just twilight, other stories, too) it makes quite a lot of sense for vampires to own slaves as livestock. But Jasper was human when he was in the army.... :/

[@morinomajou]

@@artfoex Personally, I'd like to see the inverse of this. Vampire abolitionist who feeds on known slave owners and anyone trying to interfere with the underground railroad--

[@trinaq]

Jacob: I'll NEVER force anyone to do anything against their will! Also Jacob: Forcibly kisses Bella, without her consent, despite her already having a boyfriend.

[@TeruteruBozusama]

Then guilt trips her for another.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​@@TeruteruBozusama Hey. He was rewarded with a high five the first time around by the girl's own father. Clearly that's a mixed signal since the girl's own opinion means nothing after all. /s

[@TeruteruBozusama]

@@MusicoftheDamned hehe xD. But seriously though, imagine being Charlie... And finding out that she died was a lie but they tell him "we preformed surgery on her to look more like the doctor's wife, and we very white people are bringing your native friend's son along so he can help bringing up your grandchild in hopes of marrying her one day". And with everyone knowing that the Cullen siblings are dating (because that's totally normal /s) and after Bella's "surgery" it might look more than ever like some sick grooming cult... He... With not only responsibility to protect civilians but especially his daughter, granddaughter, and maybe, just maybe feel some responsibility for his friend's son instead goes "eh, fair enough".

[@MusicoftheDamned]

@@TeruteruBozusama Yeah, Charlie's life kinda sucks. It's not even that he likes and prefers Jacob that gets me. It's that he likes and prefers Jacob even after he forcibly kisses his daughter and, technically, is responsible for hurting her hand. I get not hating the impulsive teenager for it and forgiving him, but the fact that Charlie both ignores his daughter being upset *and* praises Jacob for it *in front* of her is...uncomfortable. Of course, with _Twilight_ being _Twilight_ it doesn't rank in like Top 50 and maybe even Top 100 crappiest things anyone ever does, especially with all the grooming and other abuse going on. The fact that Charlie is probably "fine" with imprinting--granted, he can't do anything about it--while also being top cop in the area is also not...great even if Charlie manages to be more likeable than most other major characters just because most other major characters seem like such excrement.

[@amityislandchum]

Stephenie Meyer admitted that she made Jacob a jerk in this book to discourage people from being Team Jacob. She said she never expected people to actually root for Bella to be with him. She genuinely doesn't understand why so many fans preferred Jacob, whom we saw forming a real friendship and connection with Bella through New Moon, over Edward, whom has no real relationship with Bella outside of controlling her, and has no personality except for being called "gorgeous" 6000 times in the book. In short, SMeyer has never had a real romantic relationship and has been conditioned to think abuse is sexier than friendship.

[@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095]

That rant about Confederate Jasper was one of the most cathartic moments in any KZbin video I ever watched. Kudos, Dom!

[@AN-tw7uj]

Even True Blood (AKA The Southern Vampire Mysteries) has a romantic interest vampire who used to be a confederate soldier! And Vampire Diaries has at least two! Why is this such a trope? It's weird.

[@lahlybird895]

​@@AN-tw7uj it adds nuance

[@RevanAlaire]

@@lahlybird895 Not when it is never brought up again.

[@kuorin9190]

@@AN-tw7uj If you needed to feed on humans to survive, had a lot of money and lived in a time and country where slavery was a thing wound't you be a slave owner as well?

[@Blindinglights25]

​@@AN-tw7uj to be fair they changed Damon's story on being a deserter later on

[@corradosecchi6810]

Thank you for calling out the weird "vampires used to fight for the Confederate Army" thing. It would be fine as a trope if not for the fact that, somehow, it's never presented as a negative. Even The Vampire Diaries did it, and in that show, the "bad" brother is the deserter while the "good" one is the loyal soldier. And it is never mentioned that they were fighting to preserve slavery.

[@XER606]

How stupid is it that the ONLY vampire media I've seen thus far that makes confederate vampires the undoubtedly evil ones, was fucking Abraham Lincon Vampire Hunter???

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Particularly since slave owners becoming literal predators of human beings is, while a bit on the nose, pretty apt.

[@corradosecchi6810]

@@GriffinPilgrim Exactly, it's a good metaphor in a fantasy (or gothic) setting but presenting it as a positive completely ruins it.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

Well, that show used other ways to show why they thought that was fine, mainly in production.

[@corradosecchi6810]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin Interesting, I did not know that. What happened?

[@willslawson9675]

I always thought the reason why Jasper and Rosalie's backstories were told in narrative form was because Eclipse was partially inspired by Wuthering Heights (Bella is reading it during the story the same way she is reading Pride and Prejudice in the first, Romeo and Juliet in the second, and Death of a Salesman in the fourth). In Wuthering Heights, most of the narrative is framed as Nelly verbally explaining it to Lockwood, even though the structure of her "speech" is that of a 19th century victorian novel. TLDR: Meyer read a classic book, saw one of its most outdated narrative devices, and said, "I'm gonna do THAT"

[@blo0dy_valent1ne]

At this point I’m not team Edward or team Jacob, I’m team Bella ditching everyone in Forks and getting therapy

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

#TeamSingle

[@ag9953]

Bella is honestly just as cruel and abusive as they are, the way she gets Edward to stay with her by threatening self-harm and how she leads Jacob on despite having no intention to ever reciprocate his feelings just because she doesn't want to be alone is just as bad as how possesive they are of her, I'd say all three of them are horrible people who deserve each other and Mike dodged a massive bullet.

[@sparksfly6149]

​@@ag9953yeah fr, which is why she needs therapy.

[@WolfRider2002]

I'm team Victoria because she may have raised a vampire army using unwilling participants, she did at least try to rid the world of Edward, Jacob, and Bella

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

Fun fact It was actually retconned in the X-men universe how old Logan is to have him be old enough to have fought in the Union army during the civil war So there is a non 0 chance that at one point Wolverine almost clawed the vamp kid into very racist confetti Now you know this Your welcome

[@TheLastSane1]

I mean this would have been PRE Adamantium so no thats just bone vs diamond.

[@redwolf121990]

Now there's a story idea where a Confederate Vampire would make total sense and we could see Logan just go berserker on it for catharsis. Marvel, get on Logan: Confederate Vampire Hunter.

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

@@TheLastSane1 yeah but this is Logan we’re talking about Even pre adamantium he was a beast that didn’t let little things like indestructible opponents get in his way. He did kill a freaking giant the Nazis had pulled through a dimensional portal from Asgard And Jasper being a pampered aristocrat probably wouldn’t have had the battle prowess yet to beat him 1 on 1 even with vampire powers

[@TheLastSane1]

@@seanmcloughlin5983 eh depends. Also only 5% of the us population owned slaves so it’s likely his family were poor not rich. Joining the army at 17 is something poor folks did and depending on when he joined it was possible it was before the vote to join the confederacy

[@seanmcloughlin5983]

@@TheLastSane1 the way his family are portrayed I kinda have a feeling they were always rich And if you lived in the antebellum south there’s only one way to get that rich And they say Jasper Volunteered, not drafted And a lot of the sons of plantation owners volunteered for the army despite their youth and were usually made officers or other high ranking positions they hadn’t really earned since they were just a thank you to their families for supporting the war effort. Tho this wasn’t really an uncommon thing the 1800s, especially in the US where the army wasn’t that big or important and only got called up in emergencies

[@huntcd2012]

A Confederate Solider having once been part of an evil vampire army makes more sense compared to a Union Soldier. The true problem as you mentioned is no one talks about it and it has no bearing on Jasper’s characterization. Like at least have Jasper say that he realized he was wrong over the centuries he has been a vampire and never talked about it before because who would want to admit they fought for the Confederacy

[@TheLastSane1]

Whats odd is its not mentioned at all given that in Book 4 its Alice and Jasper who track down the Amazon coven and send them to Forks and travel with the amazon leader who is like the other two is described as black or at least incredibly dark. This would have been a perfect chance for bella to bring it up.

[@jackieelizabeth8614]

He was part of the army BEFORE he was changed so yes it reflects badly on him

[@TheLastSane1]

@@jackieelizabeth8614 He joined the year they voted to join the confederacy so its possible he joined before up before and just didn't leave the Texas army to remain with the union. Of course it would hold more weight of Meyers google searched the battle she named dropped. Jasper says he was defending the city in the first battle of galveston, which was held by the union and defending against the confederacy. If they re-edited the book and changed Confederacy to Union it would be more historically accurate to his account. The women is just not good

[@samreddig8819]

It actually could've taken a real fucked up vampire centric turn too. Kind of a "black, white - they're all meat to me" thing. That could be interesting to see explored. Racism growing into different racism due to the seeds for it being planted when he was still human.

[@TheLastSane1]

@@samreddig8819 You mean Louis from The Vampire Chronicles? Because that was his take on racism once he became a vampire.

[@princeapoopoo5787]

For the second time today, I am rewarding Dom for his suffering by feeding my views to the algorithm gods.

[@stareyedwitch]

All Hail the Algorithm

[@Rabbitlord108]

@@stareyedwitch ALL HAIL THE ALGORITHM!

[@thestoryfactory8429]

Still bugs me that it would have only taken one **easy** line to change Jasper's backstory from ick to heroic. "I was a **Union Spy** in the Confederate army. That's why I was alone when I met the vampire woman, despite being an officer. I was running intel."

[@GriffinPilgrim]

Hell, just saying "I was in the army" and letting the reader fill in whatever army they prefer would have been better.

[@Squirreltasticqueen]

Hell yes, a better use for his powers too. In human life he had the ability to persuade people so it'd be a great power for a spy

[@thestoryfactory8429]

@@GriffinPilgrim Could have made him someone from the Alamo or San Jacinto, since Rathbone's Texan, too.

[@sebastianevangelista4921]

I think that Princess Weekes did a whole video essay on confederate vampires that I still need to watch.

[@brittanybecker170]

But that would require Myers not to be a bigot actual funding hate crimes, so....

[@Nightlark100]

My younger sister has just hit a twilight phase. She's spending her birthday marathoning them Pro: I can regift all my old twilight merch I boxed up Con: I foresee many rewatches of the movies in my future

[@Rawnblade13]

May the gods have mercy on your soul.

[@Carewolf]

You could be a good sister and show some of these videos first. Especially some that are funny and entertaining in pointing out how shit it is.

[@MightyMurloc]

The Behind the Scenes footage of that headpat is BY FAR my favourite part of the Twilight series, followed slightly behind by the baseball scene in the first movie.

[@cosmicriptid]

Honestly Rosalie's backstory was pretty impressive? Why is Meyer good at writing interesting backstories for everyone but her leads? I suppose Edward's background wasn't too boring, but he is now. Anyway I fully support Rosalie's corpse bride retribution

[@morinomajou]

I think it's also the fact that with her main leads, Meyer is trying (and failing) to write a romance, but she's actually legitimately good at writing horror and has no idea. It's almost sad.

[@TheLastSane1]

@@keebs4265 Nah she just is not good at explaining what she means. She did the Official Illustrated Guide after Breaking Down and explained that the imprinting is not what the wolves think it is. And that all the things we learned about it from Jake is just Jake's opinion on it and what he thinks it means. But its pointed out that the wolves really do not know what it means since their assumption that it is for making better wolves doesnt work since Nessie is sterile and can't have wolf children. So she is just not good at this.

[@nzstoddart3762]

I've read all the books and they are painful to read but in a different way. Since I'm an ex-Mormon and knowing that she's a Mormon herself, I see the series as a form of self inserting in order to self-indoctrinate. In the first book, she has a voice (barely, but it's there) but as the books continue, her voice is replaced with the Mormon Church's narrative.

[@harrisonpeterson3733]

@nzstoddart Exmo here. Yep. It's really gross and really really sad.

[@kimian6779]

Can you say more, please? How does she indoctrinate herself?

[@fee6362]

@@kimian6779 It's a little more complicated topic, but you can finde a lot of ex-Mormon Chanels here on KZbin, who explain such things. " Jordan and McKay " talked about this I think. Also, " Owen Morgan (Telltale") (ex JW) talks about it, and I think he explains it pretty well.

[@rowanlavellan9755]

"...are you...okay, boy?" That skit absolutely killed me, help. Also, thank you so SO much for linking the song, Dom! I'm so excited, I can't wait to force people to listen to it.

[@shebjess]

Every time Dom does a Twilight video, there's a least one moment that horrifies me so much, I audibly yell. This time was 10:28 and me imagining Jasper saying all of this aloud

[@bootsthecat6718]

He may be lacking in culinary experience, but not in Cullen-ary experience ✨

[@k1tkat-kate]

dammit, I'm three days too late to make this joke...

[@builder969channel6]

Am I going insane? I thought Dom did this one already? my sense of reality is breaking down I think I now understand what Dom was going through the first time he tackled Twilight

[@Rabbitlord108]

First upload got taken down.

[@GriffinPilgrim]

He did book reviews, he's still working his way through the adaptions.

[@sillypplproductions2]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like they're going crazy about this, I also swore I saw this before, but none of the content was familiar. I think i was just confusing it with not only his past content (in particular probably the video going over the book itself) but other people's videos about this film

[@blerdgirlkai]

Watching this made me want to go back and watch the original review. In it, Dom mentions Meyer realizing that people actually liked Jacob when he’s supposed to be the Gale of it all, and her changing him into an asshole, then being surprised the Edward also kind of swaps in it. It made me wonder if she didn’t also try to make Edward more “understanding” to compensate for what people liked about Jacob.

[@laurendisney]

Imagine if Meyer had written Jacob and Bella ending up together. Since apparently it was the egg that became Abominationname that was attracting him to her.

[@dustyrose192]

do you think there was like a week were jacob was just really into edward and was super confused?

[@jaginaiaelectrizs6341]

@@dustyrose192 I always imagined that most of Jacob's animosity toward Edward was actually confusion and/or redirected self-loathing specifically because he was, in fact, secretly into Edward, too, but had all that hardwired prejudice against vampires and such[ so it was just easier for him to insist that it was only because they were both interested in the same girl and not at all even a little bit possibly because Jacob was also into the same guy as Bella was]. Because I just feel like that popular stereotype of the bully who bullies specifically out of internalized homophobia would have fit in pretty much right at home amongst everything else in Twilight. Loll.

[@jaycievictory8461]

"I'm the chad type, always underclad type" is god tier lyrics 👏👏👏

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

I didnt expected Dom to survive another Twilight video, what a twist

[@somethingfunny5571]

Alright, so, random idea time. What if Edward and Bella kept Bre Tanner and eventually leaned to love her and then adopted her. I think that would be cute, circumvent the pregnancy… thing, and then representing families that aren’t just run-of-the-mill nuclear families

[@TheLastSane1]

Adopt is weird here because Bree is only like 2-3 years younger than Bella.

[@somethingfunny5571]

@@TheLastSane1 I know, probably some changes would need to be changed

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

Well I'm sure Meyer wouldn't want to promote anything that wasn't the nuclear family

[@msjkramey]

​@ope0320 what are you talking about? The Cullens were all a found family

[@capital_L283]

She's eternally 15, right? And Jacob is eternally 16, yes? Waay better option to unite everyone or whatever than Rasputin, if they still wanted Jacob to marry Bella's daughter of all people, jesus

[@davidziegler494]

Bella would be instantly more likeable if she carried chocolate and cool knives.🤔

[@mojojojo2127]

hard agree.

[@alabastergiant]

I don't know if this is a reference, but I'm down!

[@dianeb-r8512]

I love reading KZbin comments before watching the video :D

[@vivideblois]

Out of pure luck I just rewatched the backlog, having forgotten that you hadn't finished this series yet. I was so disappointed to remember it wasn't done yet. Perfect timing.

[@UncleKeith567]

Oh God! The song! The best one yet! Please get them to make a full version of Bad Wolf! Wow!, just Wow!

[@roguebantha7324]

Easily my favorite song yet!

[@emblarovardotter]

THIS!!

[@cuteclau]

I seem to remember that Meyer herself regretted having Bree killed in the story... I think I heard about it when The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner came out.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

It's rare that the adaptation actually improves on the source material, but given that the source material is Twilight, it's not surprising.

[@bthsr7113]

Better than Wanted at least. Why they even bothered to license the name of that vile bile is beyond me. Then they made.... something....

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@@bthsr7113 I can't really argue with that.

[@Oonagh72]

I will forever believe that someone else wrote parts of those books. They sound different in so many places. I believe an editor fixed a lot of stuff.

[@GoatAndDog]

Imagine a cross franchise idea where Bella gets a Death Note. I technically her dad is also the chief of police but that would still be a terrible idea.

[@Nixx0912]

Now that would maybe make me finally watch something Twilight conected 😂

[@beyondthefourthwall]

Accidental fanfict prompt.

[@GoatAndDog]

Understandable@@Nixx0912 I might be tempted to watch that as well XD (possibly would be better than Netflix adaptation as well)

[@GoatAndDog]

Correct@@beyondthefourthwall 😂

[@Nixx0912]

@@GoatAndDog well the bar is set extremely low.

[@nancyjay790]

I truly love the Il Neige song. The singer is amazing!

[@JumbleJammyJokes]

Thanks to Jasper’s backstory, Abraham Lincoln seems a more credible Vampire Hunter

[@ursaminor9780]

I'm glad to see more people calling out the Confederate Jasper stuff. I remember watching this movie and thinking "So, we gonna come back around to that? Reveal he was coerced somehow, or that he's racked with guilt over the horrors he defended? Something? No?"

[@TheLastSane1]

Its more stupid because the battle she cites that happened the day Jasper turned was the Battle of Galveston where the UNION held the city against the Confederacy. So he would have been a union soldier to be helping people out of the city. But she assumed since it was texas he had to be confederate.

[@shmee123ful]

I'm sure I speak for all your fans when I say, we thank you for your service

[@Arrowdodger]

The end credits song was too damn funny. You're really helping me appreciate the work that had to be put in to make these movies work at all. Also, yeah, Jasper's situation is entirely too common. Confederate vampires are ridiculously common as a plot element. Jasper here, Louis from Interview with a Vampire, one of the guys from Vampire Diaries, Bill from True Blood, etc. It's kind of astonishing how often it happens.

[@lucypreece7581]

I just found out one of my new colleagues has a daughter called Renesmee. Not even joking. And yes it is because of Twilight. That saga truly was a cultural moment and not in a good way.

[@Konpekikaminari]

A tiny part of me died reading this comment

[@zerowolf42]

A youtuber, Princess Weekes, did a wonderful video analysis on why there are so many confederate vampires in fiction (because twilight wasnt the only YA fiction to do this) and i highly recommend the video to anyone who is interested on the subject. especially Dom

[@eamonndeane587]

I would love to see Dom and Princess do a collaborative video at some point.

[@lovelylife-tz4be]

It is so weird to look back on the Twilight Saga now that I am an adult. When I saw the first movie for the first time I was 13 and when I read the book I was 17. Back then I thought that they were the best thing I've ever seen / read. And I actually wondered when my relationships are real-life weren't like that😂. These books/movies are so toxic. But it's fun to look back on

[@cpkgrownup9496]

“The other team had no idea they were about to face the goodest boys.” 😂😂😂

[@Sarafu]

The look of utter despair at 11:19 is a mood

[@Sate12]

I read this book on a dare. I remember after Bella makes the "sacrafice' it was deemed completely irrelevant. Like the ONE THING SHE DOES and it's laughed away

[@TheLastSane1]

I mean it is why Edward wins his fight in the book. And he is terrified that he may have traumatized her and tells her she damn near gave him a heart attack with her stunt because he was so worried she would do something like that if it looked bad. Even when it wasn't really bad, she just didn't know that Seth was playing possum.

[@Shasha-jo5iv]

This is a particularly dapper look on you Dom. I think a stache looks really nice

[@Krlytz]

That "woof" at the very end cracked me up 🤣

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

8:02 9:01 your confederate jasper rant is just as good as the first time!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Yay! Its back! Gonna watch it all over again to support you Dom! Your pain needs to be rewarded!😊😊😊❤❤❤❤😂

[@zenoaganicoaegabrel]

What happend?

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

​@@zenoaganicoaegabrel Copyright issues

[@Rabbitlord108]

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Of course.

[@zenoaganicoaegabrel]

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Oh...

[@zenoaganicoaegabrel]

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Well thanks!

[@Nsinger998]

8:38 - It's called 'forgive and forget'. What happened happened and they were still people. Furthermore, Jasper made Major at a young age and may have taken up the vampiric offer to get away from the confederate cause. And P.S: Twilight takes place almost 200 years after the civil war. It's like American's asking why Brits still depict Norman Nobles.

[@elsie8757]

I think the main problem is how none of the characters who were born in the 21st century and have modern sensibilities balk _even a little bit_ upon hearing that Jasper was a Confederate. It doesn't have to cause Bella to completely hate him from that point forward or anything, but you'd think she would at least have an knee-jerk "Yikes" reaction.

[@lizmarieghiardi]

You are the first person I’ve seen talk about the way Meyer writes characters telling stories. It drives me insane every time!!!

[@Justine-Whit]

I watched the review again. I hope it helps boost the review with the algorithm.

[@esmeraldaloschuetz9120]

Thanks for the fantastic work, as always! But in regards to the "telling a story verbally like one would write it out" is a major thing in Sherlock-Holmes and Agatha-Christie-stories. They do it all the time. I suppose it's ok for the genre, but it was always a pet peeve of mine. Everyone who tells their story to Sherlock talks like a book, and it's also true for Christie's "The thirteen problems".

[@jennaj9671]

Why Jasper was ever made a Confederate solider instead of a Union soldier in the first place is perplexing.

[@tremorsfan]

That scene with Bella freezing to death always pissed me off. Mostly because she's playing the victim instead of calling him out for not thinking about bringing a heater.

[@sugarm1860]

“Why do you guys romanticize the Confederacy??” Probably for the same reason why romance novels keep romanticizing Nazis. Which is still gross.

[@mattsherlock9636]

Wait, I didn't know that existed! NO NO NO!!! MY BRAIN!!! Kill me now!!!

[@sugarm1860]

@@mattsherlock9636 Welcome to Hell. Yeah, it’s a very controversial topic in the romance genre. Especially since a lot of Nazi romance, to my knowledge, seem to revolve around Jewish women and Nazi soldiers…

[@Rabbitlord108]

Aw yes. Because to paraphrase Film Brain. "When you need to add substance to your crappy story. Just add nazis"

[@the-NightStar]

AND for the same reason that people elected a certain sack of orange clearly bigoted garbage with a bad blond hairpiece AND for the same reason that January 6th will go down as the second worst date in American history next to September the 11th. If you need any understanding of why Americans romanticize the confederacy, all you need to do is look at Trump apologists, or read the comment section of any Yahoo News political story involving police corruption and black Americans and see what the majority of the commenters and replies have to say about any of these issues whenever they come up.

[@bthsr7113]

@@mattsherlock9636 I was appalled to find out too.

[@taylorwilliams4179]

Ooohhh a good start to my half shitty weekend. I have to work Saturday and will be there most of 8 hours. Thank you Dominic! Hope your well!

[@geckokid8265]

I hope your weekend after work is better :)

[@taylorwilliams4179]

@@geckokid8265 Thank you! I hope so too

[@TheDjuske]

I am at work, thought I'd put on something in the background, then "alabaster twink" hit me like a freight train and I am at the verge of tears from trying not to laugh, solid start, against my better judgement I will be continuing this listening experience

[@mistingwolf]

Thanks Dominic for putting up with this series to bring us entertainment. That "woof" at the end of the song had me rolling!

[@Purple-ur2sc]

Love your dedication - both to finishing the twilight series and fighting copyright claims!

[@benpowell-punmaster1214]

Here’s the thing about Jasper, it could have been an interesting character moment. These are immortal beings who have existed for hundreds of years and in some cases, may have been on the wrong side of history. If Bella actually acknowledged that Jasper was a confederate, they could have had a moment where Jasper acknowledges his past and how he came to change his beliefs. But that would have required y’know, effort.

[@alliee17]

The credit song was truly a work of art 👌

[@Patchouliprince]

Yay it’s back!!

[@Ceares]

Sadly, the slavery aspect of the romanticized Antibellum period is a feature, not a bug. Having someone to wait on you hand and foot, indulge your every whim and keep you rich off the labor of their backs is the real American dream. The oh so noble, and gentlemanly Confederate soldier has been the hero of many a romance novel.

[@thoughtsofaleo2916]

Dang, I wish you had been able to go more in-depth with how badass Rosalie's backstory is, though I completely understand the rant on confederate vampires (because why do they always have to be confederates??) Idk what it is, but I like how ruthless this story makes Rosalie instead of just being a pretty mean girl, which is how she was portrayed for so long in the books/movies. Her relationship with Bella and both of them wanting what they don't have was so interesting and I only wish it got expanded on and have them form some semblance of a friendship instead of them sharing babysitting duty in the last book. I really wish we had gotten a short story/novella of the Cullens' backstories in general instead of Bree Tanner (I enjoyed her story well enough, but I would have loved the Cullens' stories so much more.) Amazing work as always, Dom! Though I have to ask, is anyone else's video chapters labeled with food, like Oreo, mint chip, etc? Not sure if that was because of HelloFresh or KZbin is breaking.

[@Rabbitlord108]

I'm just glad you're trying to maintain a semblance of sanity with how long it's (seemingly) been since the last Twilight LIA episode (Update. And yeah I agree about the confederate thing. Even as a Florida native)

[@CalliopePony]

Ha! Earlier today I watched the video you did on "The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner" and I thought to myself, "I wonder when he's going to do the LiA for Eclipse?" I love it when things work out so nicely.

[@asherogue5691]

I couldn't read the books... youre strong for being able to endure all of them. Thank you for your sacrifice

[@kathylennerds750]

Perfect reason to re-watch and comment this time around 😌

[@derp_dragons]

This review brought me back to ages ago when I read the books. I still remember that I had been so annoyed that Jacob got set up with the (unborn) BABY. First of all it's obviously all kinds of wrong and sickening. Secondly, Seth felt like a more genuine choice, being younger and on good terms with Edward and the rest of the family. And lastly, Jacob should have had to actually grow as a character (and realise that he's been a teen madly and obsessively in love and through recognizing it, actually working on it - not have him feed on his obsession by explaining that he's just mixed up who he's been obsessed over) and either stayed single or form a romantic bond with Leah (if Meyer had been able to pull off healthy couples... so on that note, good thing Leah wasn't put into that kind of mess).

[@TheLastSane1]

the thing is Seth and Leah are likely gonna be Bella's step-siblings soon given Sue their mother is dating Charlie her dad.

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

Thought for a moment you were saying Jacob should have ended up with Seth.

[@jvever4904]

@@edgarallenhoe3518 Still wouldve been a better love story, honestly-

[@elsie8757]

@@edgarallenhoe3518 ...Is that _not_ what they were saying??

[@5ft4inprotagonist24]

Dom: lets come up with a new name for this new edward Me: eddie Dom: Betterward lol

[@duzehalo]

Ok but "son, how was your day" skit sent me 🤣 I had too pause the video because I laughed too much, brilliant, Dom, absolutely brilliant!

[@diabologe]

If there's one thing we need o this earth next to world peace and The Winds of Winter, it's a crossover between you and KrimsonRogue for the last two movies of this series.

[@KougajiCalling]

I would watch the heck out of that!!

[@RedSpade37]

That would be wild

[@TheLuxVex]

Dom, it's been a year, you need to finish the saga. Please! I love your videos and these in particular are just so enjoyable!

[@OnlyLumi4ever]

I'm so glad that this video is back!

[@BadPenny3]

As much as I loved the entire video (I'm with you in the "Why do we keep glamorizing the Confederacy" question), the Bad Wolf end credits is *chef's kiss*.

[@masonreith2382]

Always a pleasure to see you! What a fun KZbinr you are! Thank you!

[@graverobbingcleric2745]

And we're back. Can't wait to finish the second half of this after I got pulled the first time

[@almond_jellii]

The outro songs are always good, but this one is one of my favorites 😂

[@AngelaCSpears]

That end song was well worth staying for!

[@cosmicriptid]

If Meyer was a good writer, I would say the switch in personality is because of the hunting trip. He was starving himself so he could stay watching Bella, and was ultra hangry as a result. Comes back reasonable cause boy ate a snickers bar. I see no evidence that supports this being intentional though.

[@0FynnFish0]

I was making some tea during the outro scenes and was so confused when I thought my alarm went off at half past nine at night.

[@nopatiencejoe6376]

The tragic thing about the questionable romance decisions like "imprinting", lack of consent and abusive relationships, is most likely just Meyer externalizing her Mormon upbringing.

[@TheLastSane1]

Which she tried to backtrack on later. the Official Illustrated Guide has a segment where she mentions the wolves have had to rethink what Imprinting means because Nessie is sterile and so it cant be about making new wolves like they thought.

[@cookiesyruplover]

It's back! Woooooooo! I love this series and how cathartic it is to watch because it's honest enough to give props to when things are better than it is in the book even if it's not great in general. Also the little parody song at the end too!

[@tobiasweber3224]

Honestly, I think Jasper being in the confederate army could have been an iteresting idea to flesh his character out. For example him looking back and realising that he was on the wrong side of history or Bella with a modern perspective being shocked at his actions. It is wasted potential in my opinion

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

So glad this video is back up. Long may it stay so!

[@TelenTerror]

See, Jasper could have been "Yeah, look, I was young and dumb and joined up because everyone else was doing it. I learned better in the 150 years since." Or something. I'd be willing to let it slide if there was an acknowledgement he was on the wrong side. Or just something. And, I say this as a descendent of actual confederate soldiers, I too am tired of the free pass long-lived characters get because somehow, yeah, they were always in the Confederacy. It shouldn't be romanticized.

[@Sootielove]

It would also fit into Jasper following Carlisle's good vampire ideology. Realising you've been indocrinated into fighting for slavery would make you pretty determined not to treat human lives as "lesser". There's a decent metaphor for being unable to see the humanity in other people with vampires and slavery but Meyer completely missed it. I cannot believe there was no mention of how fucked up the confederates were

[@BlueDog241]

15:08 "Let's call him... Betterwood." Let's not.

[@JDM-is-my-name]

I'm back to rewatch!

[@Donovaneagle2098]

I cackled out loud at the "are you... Okay boy?"

[@jamesatkinsonja]

0:47 Of course Chris Weitz had another bad experience with Golden Compass/His Dark materials [and was a writer on 'Rouge One' which had a troubled shoot]. As an aside, now the TV show of His Dark Materials is now finished I'd love to see your thoughts on the second and third series.

[@EJandEF4ever]

Ahh I didn't realize S3 of HDM had come out! I will have to catch up soon.

[@millasboo]

17:55 There’s actually been multiple theories that she intentionally put that in due to Myer being a Mormon and some circles in the Mormon community do have very cult,grooming and pedo behaviors.

[@SoralaxPlays]

As an American, I am so grateful for the Confederate rant. Thank you, sir XD

[@melleblanc9537]

11:00 omg i remember reading these sequences as a kid, seeing a quote at the beginning of a paragraph realizing i had completely forgotten a character was talking. I'd just blame my focus