Twitch is Falling Apart

[@MrFuzziiWuzzii]

You should check out the gphustla situation, the dude with the world record for longest continuous stream. I found him when you shouted him out during your subathon and a few months ago he got banned with no explanation. They’ve been withholding his money, still charging subs, and refusing to help him at all. I think this could be another good mogul mail with everything that’s going on. He’s getting shafted bc he was only ever a double digit streamer.

[@junglerat7247]

@ok Obnoxious.

[@hamoiq908]

Holy shit this definitely needs to be looked into liek holy

[@bungersinyourarea]

Commenting to push this up

[@Trex-gi7gw]

Would be interesting to hear his take, commenting to boost

[@silky.919]

this is fucking wild tbh

[@notserp2182]

I bet that every day Ludwig gets happier and happier with his decision to switch to KZbin.

[@PicassosCat]

I don't know about happy, he still has friends who depends on Twitch. I do feel he might feel relieved as he can view it as a third person and talk about it more

[@piplupdabest]

@@PicassosCat yeye

[@SevenHunnid]

Hey there playa, I’m 20, grinding hard to get out the hood, I can’t be 30 with nothing to show for so i smoke weed on my youtube channel ☝️

[@zardsire2012]

KZbin also has major problems too.

[@Robert-el6sl]

youtube isn't looking any better rn with the racism + favoritism

[@nikkof5384]

Companies act like this until they are whistleblown or properly sued. So the best thing I could say is all these content creators should make a union and draft a CBA with whom ever they partner, otherwise as a ‘customer’ they will just tell you to deal with it.

[@shocktricity]

@adinross should do this!!!

[@patchesthepirate55]

care to explain what twitch would be sued for?

[@maximilianbrunner1203]

Well can they even make a union since they are basically freelancers

[@apersoniguess_]

@@patchesthepirate55 bias against its users and unfair treatment I guess

[@13Maur]

Youre forgetting that its owned by amazon. Amazon just hires 10 of the best lawyers in the world and nothing gets resolved.

[@ViewOf]

There is no problem with adult content. The problem emerges, when everyday content and adult content get mixed. Twitch can make an adult section on their site for all I care, but it should not be mixed in between other streams.

[@LasermanSteam]

it fucks up their ad revenue. For example, 4chan had to effectively split into 4chan & 4channel because advertisers didn't want to associate with the NSFW boards

[@ratedpending]

@@LasermanSteam there were advertisers associating with 4chan?

[@HexJK]

The second adult content is officially integrated into the site, every advertiser targeting 13-17 year olds, families, etc, would pull out, leaving Twitch with just 18+ ads (which do not pay well at all). They'd lose well over 95% of their ad revenue. You might think advertisers will just pull ads from streams categorized as 18+, but that's not how most advertisers work, the ENTIRE domain has to meet their standards, because they do not want to be associated to that kind of content in any way. There's also legal issues regarding adult sites as well, Twitch would be banned in some regions, and "regulated" in others. If a country will ban a video game for being too violent or sexual, you can bet your ass they'll ban a very popular adult website with the facade of a "normal brand friendly streaming site".

[@burp2019]

@@ratedpending contrary to popular belief, 4chan has more than just /pol/ and /b/

[@manuelsilva6244]

There's also nothing wrong with gambling streams to adults and Ludwig made videos going super hard against xqc and others. Ludwig is a fucking hypocrite always defending women when they do bad shit and attacking dudes hard when they do mild transgressions.

[@kati3514]

I find the whole comparison between harassing someone and having sex weird bc they don’t have any relation to each other. They’re both wrong in different ways and deserved a perma ban. I think this this whole thing should be broken down into 2 different issues, one is the issue of whether or not it’s ok to unban someone who has made amends with the person they harassed, and the other about how the lady had sex on stream yet was let off easy whereas other people who accidentally flashed a nude get a much harsher punishment.

[@jackb3822]

Exactly, I think a lot of the people are caught up in trying to compare the two. As you mentioned, what makes a much better comparison is people who accidentally showed explicit material vs her blatant and _intentional_ violation of Twitch’s TOS.

[@tmsphere]

breaking the same issue as if it were 2 separate issues, hypocricy much? your parents didnt tell you about hypocricy yet so you think this is fine?

[@Gaunerchen]

His point wasn't about the content, but about sexism. He said female streamers get much lesser punishment for equally perma bannable behavior, regardless if the offense fits in a different category or not.

[@C1umsyJester]

The issue is twitch is never consistent with their punishments across genders. The punishment for the men is always far more severe even if the crimes the same

[@BD-fk9fw]

U just said it yourself🤣 both should be perma banned so if he’s not let back on why should she ?😭

[@fancyLD]

ludwig’s nuanced takes on his mogul mails always are a nice surprise. i appreciate that he can recognize the rights and wrongs of both sides

[@samuraigorilla2311]

I candidly think this video is not that nuanced this time. He doesn't talk about the inconsistencies of twitch enough. He also assumes that Jidion's approach is to merely get back on twitch in a disingenuous manner, but doesn't even discuss Jidion's arguments in the video thoroughly. It's good that he tries to admonish jidion because it seems he's trying to not be biased; however, I would say that he is still seeing this in a narrow manner. Moistcritical's video was far better.

[@Angelofo]

@@samuraigorilla2311 well said, I felt the same way but ludwig does have a point about Jidion being a "trouble maker" to an extent. However not talking about any of the points Jidion directly said was a bad idea. I expected to hear jidion's voice in this video but there was none

[@samuraigorilla2311]

@@Angelofo I think you phrased it perfectly. Ludwig is correct in saying that trying to criticize twitch- whilst also trying to sneak into twitch con- isn't exactly the best approach to being unbanned. Though I like Jidion, I can certainly accept that he does become disruptive. However as you said, jidion's voice wasn't even present. It just gives the picture that he's painting Jidion in a certain way and exaggerating his character, whilst not humanizing him and presenting his side.

[@MrKangorilla]

@@samuraigorilla2311 Critikal ignored all the extra stuff jideon did and said he got banned for just "L+ratio" spam which was pretty damn reductive if you ask me. I definitely think Ludwig has the more all encompassing take here. The key takeaway though is that the big platforms are, and have been inconsistent for ages and something needs to change. Thats something we can all agree on

[@l3onis640]

A mark of intelligence

[@rayface8620]

I’m glad people started calling out Twitch and KZbin for their b.s. instead of letting these companies disregard everything

[@abur2803]

The youtube call out on racist was retarded and not based on proof yet people take it as a fact I fing hate cory mfer pushing a false narrative

[@coltengerloff2173]

Copy and pasted from a comment on Charlie's video smh

[@POG-ist]

@@coltengerloff2173 it isn’t even the same comment as the one on Charlie’s. Sure, it’s similar, but not the same

[@caenir]

Calling them out is nothing new. If you watched the video you would know that lud even mentioned how you can find posts from 2015 of people calling them out.

[@JPeticus]

KZbin has been getting backlash from their creators everytime they mess up since the adpocolypse yet their is always comments like this. I don’t understand

[@munkinboy17]

This is such an interesting issue and to see both of the big platforms having issues with equal community guidelines. It will be interesting how things change and end up months down the line. Great vid Lud

[@grampaseri]

Agree. It also speaks to how these tech companies seem to always end up in legal trouble for discrimination. If they're treating creators unequally, you can only imagine this extends into their regular operations as well. How many times have we heard of the bro circles cutting each other slack at this point?

[@patchesthepirate55]

​@@grampaseri proving discrimination would almost be impossible unless a twitch employee came out that they were ordered to discriminate. The inconsistencies that platforms have comes down to human error

[@grampaseri]

@@patchesthepirate55 You seem confused. I'm not saying they specifically set out with orders to discriminate. That's absurd. I'm saying there's a pattern of behavior that seems to occur in tech and gaming companies where some employees are cut slack for poor behavior and the companies face subsequent legal action for discrimination which they then settle. ABK, Riot, and Sony are just some of the recent examples. This behavior mirrors the same type of favoritism occurring with creators.

[@wadood8700]

Months?? Probably decades until twitch changes

[@Call_Upon_YAH]

Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. God is three in one; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him. Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, for any reason; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.

[@firewolf11567]

I'm glad you pointed out that he is still both banned and her only having a 7 day ban is inconsistent, but also seems to be going around what all he did to deserve an indefinite ban.

[@SlowGreyWeasel]

I agree, him getting perma was the good ending.

[@_unseenhunter_5093]

@@SlowGreyWeasel I feel like he's gone on his redemption arc but it does make sense that twitch doesnt want him on their platform. I guess the lawful good ending would be everyone who breaks t and cs getting banned and the lawful evil ending would be no one getting banned

[@gaming_potato7044]

@@_unseenhunter_5093 He is on his redemption arc only because he lost money by being banned. Watch this asshole getting unbanned and he will pull the same shit every time regurarly. He shouldn't have a platform anywhere.

[@insomniac9318]

@loll She didn't use it in any directly harmful manner as opposed to him actively harassing people. Perhaps she should have been somewhat reprimanded for it but he deserved his ban.

[@insomniac9318]

@loll perma ban might have been excessive but a ban for 3 months or more feels that it would be sufficient

[@jackray3986]

spitting facts twitch need to get their act together

[@privtprofile24]

and so does KZbin.

[@thegibberishman3797]

Now we need to go to the other social media, Twitter. Umm it’s already bad.

[@firebanner6424]

@@privtprofile24 idk youtube is cruising

[@djungelskogmemes]

@Propaganda everywhere Lmao

[@DsgSleazy]

@@firebanner6424 KZbin and twitch are both being crusaded upon in the same week, tf you mean they're crusing, their problems are also much worse and have lasted way longer.

[@thecraftedmax8073]

youtube and twitch right now 😨😨😨😨😨😨

[@piplupdabest]

1k like comment calling it

[@kshitijvids]

not really

[@Ibbyrah]

@@piplupdabest 300 like reply calling it

[@piplupdabest]

@@Ibbyrah no

[@thegibberishman3797]

At least they aren’t Twitter.

[@kibateo]

I feel this is extra disingenuous because he's essentially trying to piggyback/hijack the movement of someone who actually was wrongfully discriminated against to serve his own goals which his punishment for was arguably fair

[@jimbo2947]

If his argument was about being consistent, completely fair. I think he deserves to be banned off of twitch for sure. But his argument is to unban him since "Oh, she got a 7 day ban. I made up with the person I harassed and am still banned!". Im a JiDion fan. I love the guy, I love his energy, and i loved his twitch con video because it was almost meta in a sense of "Oh, i got banned off twitch and now am at twitch con with Poki!". But yeah. People are saying JiDion is "manipulating" his fanbase. But manipulating implies that he actually knows what hes doing. I'd say influencing is a better word. Manipulating insinuates he did it maliciously and with self awareness. I think he just saw this opportunity, is still mad about how he got banned off of twitch despite his reform and remorse, and is mad about how these people are being treated better than him.

[@biohypelopez7905]

@@jimbo2947 I totally agree! Manipulative is too harsh of a word, it exasperates jidion I feel like he’s more influential than manipulative. And I don’t think he’s actually piggybacking off, if anything he’s included into that group of people who have been discriminated.

[@ejp507]

@@jimbo2947 this girl said she was going to shoot up the twitch headquarters after the 7 day was changed to a perma ban, apologized, and it was changed from a perma to only a 22 day ban. Jidion apologizes as well (for things less heinous) and even becomes friends with poki yet that’s still not enough. He just wants answers now, he said in the video he doesn’t care about being unbanned at all, the twitch con vid showed that basically. Yea the Cory vid just happened as well, but that makes it the perfect time to spread awareness on this topic since everyone is already talking about it.

[@mistadude]

He doesn’t even want to be unbanned though

[@jtruff20]

@@ejp507 The girl who made the threat actually got permabanned again like a day after getting the 22 day ban. People are spreading misinformation about that. This is her twitch /narcissawright . Look at it, she is perma banned.

[@Cosmosiss]

Acting in malice and sending hate towards other streamers and erotic content is not an apples to apples comparison

[@Quasar0406]

very true, it was strange to see all these comments thinking it's an apt comparison.

[@zorlockts5744]

Malice and hate = “L+ratio” My generation is so soft it’s actually a-bit surreal

[@0106johnny]

@@zorlockts5744 Poki received thousand of rape and death threats from that raid you genius.

[@hodotoi]

@@zorlockts5744 did you even watch the video or actually look at what happened

[@hogui3150]

It’s not just erotic content it’s LITERALLY HAVING SEX ON A LIVESTREAM AND SHOWING IT. Which is an extreme violation of TOS because your showing ACTUAL live porn. If Jidions “harassment” were to get perma banned this should get perma banned too by TOS standards, just because YOU FEEL that it shouldn’t get banned means nothing. If Jidion was the one to show himself having sex live on twitch then I bet you people would be one of the first ones advocating for him to be off the platform. Yet when a girl does it you don’t care which shows the sexist standards of twitch that Jidion was trying to show. This has been happening for years and this is just another example of it. The girl severely broke tos and so should get perma banned but she didn’t because she’s a women and twitch favors women. Open your eyes and stop being biased, it’s literal porn😂

[@whyareyouwatchingme]

I'm glad that jacksepticeye also made a video about KZbin being Unfair/racist It shows other people what Cory really means. #love4cory

[@setup0181]

@Classic Tate no

[@setup0181]

@Classic Tate what part 2?

[@falcon1378]

@@setup0181 dawg you just got sacked by a bot 💀

[@haxel96]

@@setup0181 Just report as spam and move along, its all just a ruse to get you to click some link on their youtube page in the end.

[@Quinners08]

@@falcon1378 Bro There's no way 💀

[@lordscanortds3029]

Glad to see Ludwig finally using his journalism degree

[@MELKIMOON]

Bro I’m loving this Mogul Mail series it’s amazing keep going Lud you’re doing and outstanding job!!!

[@postmelons2282]

Twitch truly is unhinged with keeping order. I also believe Jidion deserves the ban. There was too much sexism, too many horrible remarks and threats towards poki. His fans told her every day for weeks that they were going to r word her.

[@sumstupid4623]

L comment

[@sSylver]

@@sumstupid4623 They're right lmao. Learn more than 2 letters

[@Ben-dp7fx]

Definitely deserved a ban but not the ban he has rn. If he and the person that had received the threats and sexist remarks made up then it seems unfair to say he still deserves the ban

[@justinsank6523]

tbh i agree, he already apologized to poki, and its time to address the situation correctly instead of trying to get more views from it

[@kenet362]

Goofy ah comment

[@maeryum]

Jidion calling out twitch on sexism…how ironic.

[@Sabel091]

*america

[@polterkitty3639]

@@Sabel091 *murica

[@zyreek1177]

Sendind a man "L + Ratio": 😑 Sending a Woman "L + Ratio": You sexist pig!!! 😠

[@victoriazero8869]

Sexism toward MEN, how dare they! (He's correct, but doesn't mean he didn't deserve the permaban tho)

[@kenet362]

@@Sabel091 if only you knew how good we have it here compared to many third world and even first world countries.

[@Stupendously-]

I feel like ludwig doesn’t actually even watch the video he talks about

[@SunfishV]

What a time for everything to fall apart.

[@skriller7102]

It's always been like this. I'd say now it's the opposite of falling apart when content creators and communities can speak up and criticize huge corporations and it actually make a change.

[@victoriazero8869]

Corona panic ended, extroverts watch videos less and the fortress of comfort is showing cracks.

[@titan4615]

Twitch has had so many flaws since the beginning and now people are finally starting to hold twitch accountable. It’s about time.

[@patchesthepirate55]

This happens every few years and nothing changes and nothing ever wil change. the only one being held accountable is jidion for his actions

[@RoflcopterLamo]

@@patchesthepirate55 God there is nothing I hate more than the ignorance of people acting as if their the peak of history at some big event right now. Guys twitch has been talked about being sexist for its entire existence yet people act as if it’s some recent news omg they be acting so retarded. This is similar to things like the pandemic where everyone acted like it would be some big thing in the history books when in reality there have been must worse pandemics in history and the only thing that would ever be talked about it is the economic downturn and bubble popping that happened afterwards probably remembered as the 2022 crash having less impact then the 2008 housing pop or 2000’s .com crash

[@RoflcopterLamo]

When will people realize that we are such a microscopic speck on the timeline that spans from -13 billion to ♾. Hell, to be honest the universe probably loops back around in some kinda long ass Groundhog Day. Just get over the fact that your an insignificant piece of sand at the beach and live your life .😑

[@SimplyMattis]

People have been talking about their inconsistent bans forever, this isn't new at all

[@Kastev30]

It was nowhere near this bad back then for BOTH platforms; not to say there wasn't obviously SOME racism & sexism, but it wasn't at the level nowadays. It was only when they were bought out by Amazon for Twitch & Google for KZbin that both started that downward spiral around the flushing toilet bowl as giant piles of shit.

[@Isherz314]

It feels like the YT vs Twitch drama all happened at once on purpose. This feels so strangely orchestrated.

[@dannyg.4421]

Coryxkenshin I feel like is legitimate stand alone thing. Now did jiddion see that and wanted to do the same? Idk who is to tell but I feel like I doubt that.

[@albertweinstein1]

I don't think he's trying to get unbanned, he's just pointing out Twitch's corruption.

[@mattlivingston908]

Surprising take. I get where Lud is coming from. Sure, bans and Twitch are inconsistent and frustrating, but I hope everyone can understand the difference between showing a private part as apposed to maliciously hate raiding someone else to tear them down for little to no reason. Yeah, both go against the ToS but it's like someone breaking the law by going 30 miles per hour over the speed limit and another person purposely crashing their car into someone else since that other person's car is...I don't know, purple. You'd probably be a lot more comfortable letting the person who broke the speed limit back on the road rather than the person ramming their car into other vehicles. Sure, maybe the people who were in the wreck settled things but not a lot of good faith to go off of if someone was so quick to do something so harmful. Maybe they won't do the exact same thing again but could very well do something similar. Especially like Lud said, they have been pretty disingenuous since the whole fallout of the situation. Again no real good faith to go off of.

[@collinscanlon9174]

That’s the opposite of what he said, he did say how it shouldn’t be minimized what jideon did, but it is inconsistent and at another point called the other band more heinous

[@jornavyr2459]

Hahaha. By your logic, the pornstar is literally just going to have sex on stream again. Why does your forgiveness spread to the pretty women, but not everyone else?

[@mattocolypse]

I agree. Having sex on stream is against Twitch TOS, but I'd argue that spreading hate and attacking another streamer+community totally unprompted is far more harmful, for the example it sends to the viewers. The death threat girl maybe also shouldn't have been unbanned, but I guess hers were only words spoken by herself on one occasion, not an entire community weaponised and sent out to spread hate.

[@racism5196]

tbh I think both can be reasonably perma banned, Jidion was maliciously hate raiding with bad intentions (correct me if I'm wrong) and still doing it after he learned that what he did was wrong still goes on this whole rant, the girl was also irresponsible to bang knowing that she was live, even if she thought no one would notice its still irresponsible, although I'm not gonna decide which is worse cause frankly getting into an argument with a stranger about little inconsistencies is pointless, I do want to point out that Jidion did have a choice to do this rationally and think about his consequences or throw a tantrum. But again I still do think that both were in the wrong

[@Ryleeman54number2]

Eh I think they are fairly comparable situations. Actually the sex on twitch is worse imo

[@itszaque]

In a perfect world Twitch has consistent punishments for breaches in Terms of Service AND Jidion owns up to the fact that some of his pranks can go a little far and lead to bad situations. Edit: no need to tell me what Jidion has done and what he’s apologized for. I genuinely enjoy his channel and understand he doesn’t want beef with anyone, I’m just saying that showing up at twitch con and getting banned (although he did nothing wrong other than make people uncomfortable) isn’t a good look if you’re trying to get back on twitch. And if he’s not trying to get back on twitch then maybe he should have made the “twitch is sexist” video BEFORE going and trolling them at twitch con. I’m just saying if he wants to run an outrageous pranks channel then he should understand that can have negative consequences.

[@bruhh7914]

jidion already does that...

[@ejp507]

why would he have to own up for his pranks? He apologized and made amends with Poki, the reason he was banned, not cause of his YT pranks. He only went to twitch con cause he threw in the towel essentially and doesn’t care about being unbanned anymore. The video is meant to hold them accountable and answer, not a plea for why he should be unbanned.

[@shaketin]

I’ve not watched jidion much, but I do remember him claiming he can go a little too far sometimes so he does own up to it

[@JavitTheJoker]

@@ejp507 Nahhhh Jidion says he doesn't care about twitch anymore and yet he's still asking them to unban him. Clearly the bro wants to get back on Twitch again

[@ejp507]

@@JavitTheJoker he’s not asking to be unbanned, he wants them to change the way they enforce their policy and is calling them out publicly on it.

[@ViennaDarlingvd]

Even though I understand where jidion is coming from, I think that’s twitch is afraid. Most young people don’t care about sex or the people having sex on stream. In fact, it probably draws more people to their platform. Bullying is very different. Even if he’s reformed, he does tread that line between ok and not ok. That’s fantastic content unless it goes wrong again and Twitch gets more hate. I think Twitch is in a very precarious position right now with ppl leaving for YT, or not attracting new viewers (I realy tried to get into Twitch but my god those adbreaks…) they don’t want to alienate people. My two cents from a YT 🐸

[@IMGW]

he said in the video that he doesn't want to go back to twitch, he just wants a explanation

[@KobytheHero]

Gonna go ahead and say I'm fine with Twitch taking a harsher stance on targeted harassment than sexual content lol

[@falquicao8331]

If Twitch started allowing hate raids, it would fall apart. If Twitch started actually permabanning all sexual content, it might not be as bad but the company would definitely take a hit. The 2 things aren't remotely comparable from a purely economical point of view

[@teeqx7361]

Did u watch jidion vid? He doesn’t even care about being unbanned from twitch anymore and gives valid points. His friends have been given unfair treatment like kai cenats ban for a whole month and yourrage ban for his profile pic even though there was nothing wrong with it and had to go on to Twitter to get twitch to unban him

[@alexconsuelo]

Yep exactly - intent and impact on others is completely different

[@tiktok_content9505]

Yknow he didn’t mean for that “harassment” only for his viewers to spam L + Ratio which is barely anything near harassment. Plus why get punished for something already resolved?

[@zethane2933]

@@tiktok_content9505 mobilizing your followers to do anything targeted towards another person should be looked down upon in all facets. It’s super immoral because there’s people who take it too far and it will get out of control as anonymity has proven to make people say heinous shit.

[@angus5427]

The only correct answer here is he remains perma banned plus the others mentioned here get perma banned too. newsflash being an muppet doesn't hold up when trying to act like a victim. seems like he's realising this slowly.

[@AlienfromY841]

Too bad his fans don't

[@mortaldeity1922]

Don't see how his offenses are on the same level as the others. I feel like you only say he should stay banned because you don't like him.

[@LuxuryBall13]

@@mortaldeity1922 harrasing people not ban worthy?

[@juanwick6329]

@@LuxuryBall13 y’all dragging it tho maybe I’m in the wrong but I feel like it’s not that big of a deal people are too sensitive and they try to feel emotions through pokimane like they were the ones in the situation but they’re literally friends now if she’s not mad about it why are you?

[@NemzYT]

@@juanwick6329 facts man like they are actually really good friends now and she even advocates for him getting unbanned because she know it was a misunderstanding

[@kfirezer]

"I will always side with the person because he has less power", unrelated to JiDion, having less power does not make you right.

[@patchesthepirate55]

Yeah this is a bad take. If someone is in the wrong and has less power doesnt mean you should side with them

[@Souledex]

Not what he said

[@0106johnny]

Yeah, that's really a shit take. Corporations suck, but that doesn't mean they are inherently wrong

[@arkain1]

Agree, there are genuinely vile people out there that Ludwig would never side with, so that "always" is 100% cap. This is particularly amusing after Andrew Tate is being banned by all the "big and powerful corporations".

[@seekin8516]

Love the content here! Also, It seems as if Twitch is trying to grow up with its original community rather than appeal to new audiences in reference to the ending idea

[@idontcare9041]

To a certain degree it makes sense because people have more money the older they are. However I think this is a generational issue. The partner managers of Twitch streamers are probably not that much older than the streamers themselves. How are they supposed to understand any of the internet culture of todays teens? Maybe it's just me that's out of touch but I think they really need to hire new and younger managers to keep up with this (and honestly the same can be said for a lot of other groups that have their own culture)

[@paxplay692]

In my opinion, a lot of this current conversation glosses over about how fucked up it is to send a 'hate raid' to someone. Especially when everybody who has ever been on the internet should know how stuff like this can and will escalate. Shorter bans should be warnings for some minor accident, like your example with the media share incident, or overstepping rules that you didn't exactly know about. Obviously 'accidentally' breaking TOS with adult content probably involves very little good faith from the offender aswell and I agree that someone having sex on stream should get them permanently banned as there is no universe where that person does not realize that they are stepping just slightly outside TOS, but harassing someone else on the platform with zero remorse and then arguing his mistake was not as bad because he sorted things out with the victim afterwards does warrant a permanent ban for me. That guy knew what he was doing and did it anyways.

[@jeremiahlopez8814]

imo if the person and person have 0 bad blood and made up then it should be resolved, granted obviously you cant do it again then i think its worth a perma but he made a video of him understanding why thats wrong and i believe it, i dont watch the guy. not even subbed on yt but i do understand that people make mistakes and that if they understand those mistakes and learn then i think undoing the perma would be optimal

[@q6x]

the thing is he only told his chat to spam L+ratio and his viewers took it too far, jidion was a hella new streamer and didnt know that his viewers would start dming her viewers. after the ban he GENUINELY felt bad and apologized to her in private and they made up in person and are still friends to this day, yet instead of an unban they extended his 14 day ban to a perma. meanwhile somebody who actually threatens to shoot up the twitch HQ gets their ban reduced??

[@BuBornham]

@@q6x go outside

[@NotActuallyElias]

While I agree with you wholeheartedly, both were permaban offenses and the girl only got banned for 7 days whereas Jidion DID get a permaban. This shows clear favoritism of some form, whether it's sexism or racism or anything of the like. They should both be permabanned in my opinion. The point of this whole argument was not whether or not they deserved permabans, but whether or not Twitch expressed some sort of favoritism.

[@Exter98]

There may be sexism going on in twitch but this jidion comparison to that girl is foolish. I dont remember the girl trolling twitch events and staff members after the ban. Imagine someone gets suspended temporarily from some sort of company and next day they break in wreaking havoc. Ofcourse their suspension will be turned permanent, why would company want to ever work with them again

[@justdirt]

2 things. 1. thanks for out Jideon for making his video in bad faith, it's not obvious to teenagers that he is being highly manipulative with how he presents the situation. 2. thank you for referencing how consistently terrible the twitch mod team has been for years. People don't remember, but the issue of favoritism has been a huge issue for so long. This week a women got banned for showing cleavage while playing a game while their are entire categories that allow women in bikinis. All the power to everyone who does these, but there are still people perma banned with no reasons given as well as dozens of women who have shown much less on stream and others who had seconds of a clip with a naked person in it. you have to remember, most people who work for twitch don't know anyone in the mod team. None of the mod team have any social media. there is no way for anyone to contact the mod team. now this info might be outdated, but I highly doubt it.

[@WagieWagieGetInTheCagie]

How is he being manipulative when in his own video he said he didn't care about getting unbanned, his suspension wasn't even the focus of the video. He was speaking mainly on behalf of other creators who are still subject to Twitch's favoritism.

[@igothundredcases6077]

Jidion only talked about how twitch plays favorite to most women

[@musicdude1540]

This is a horrible comment. Yeah, they allow it in some places, so go there? Using more words does not mean you're actually saying anything of substance.

[@bruhh7914]

@@lubooox1164 hm yes just call everything that goes against your points manipulation 🥸🧐he isnt the type of person to do that. his videos werent in bad faith at all and imo that was the only bad thing ludwig said in this video.

[@joaoalves-we6il]

@@bruhh7914 WTF EUGENE? wassup bro Im a big fan

[@chuomge6598]

Hey Lud, just a heads up, Jidion stated at some point in his video that he doesn't care if he's unbanned at this point because he's sticking with youtube. He's more so talking about his friends like Kai and YRG being banned for silly reasons and Dr. Disrespect still not having the info regarding his ban released. He knows he's not going back so he went all out.

[@bing8956]

Wrong

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

@@bing8956 👎

[@jtruff20]

Yeah I see what you mean, he states that in the video but its still important to address cause many of the tweets he and others make are suggesting he SHOULD be unbanned. It's fair Lud clarifies on that point

[@jidionpremiunm]

Wudwig

[@JJ-ln2qg]

W

[@deegsoso]

W

[@graysteel]

Right on

[@g_ninja]

When will you learn that twitch is a joke, don't get me wrong KZbin pretty bad but twitch is a literal joke 🤦🏿‍♂

[@jidionpremiunm]

@@g_ninja trust Ik

[@bravewryy6781]

Lud always has the most genuine takes

[@livbarker1534]

Jidion complaining about Twitch being sexist towards him after getting banned for being sexist to Poki is very ironic and funny

[@zorlockts5744]

Bruh jidion is banned for over 8 months now , there’s this one chick on twitch who literally streamed porn and only got 1 week of banning and got exposure during the ban , and the harassment pokimane went thru was literally just “L+ratio” in her chat lol

[@Jack-hi1ss]

It is ironic but he's also right.

[@0106johnny]

Yeah, he is probably the worst messenger you could get for this message.

[@chillarypuff]

LOL TRUE

[@mistadude]

that girl literally made a terrorist threat and she only got a 22 day ban and she got her ban appealed while jidion didn’t do anything close to that and is perma banned

[@10PlaystationGamer]

Ludwig nailed this. I’m noticing a theme with jidion. He always acts like he’s the innocent nice guy, he’s never wrong in his eyes.

[@ESUL0RY]

no, because if that was true jidion wouldn't have made up with poki, rug and tommy for their previous beefs, instead i think he actually tried to make up, he never had a beef that lasted over a month because he could easily get along with people and doesn't truly hate them, i'm sure he regrets his mistakes.

[@tcsprynce5748]

@@ESUL0RY making up benefits him cuz he gets more clout for it brodie. Farming views 101

[@wizardsmix7961]

Jidion’s position doesn’t even matter here. You could use any number of male twitch streamers as a replacement example.

[@simonbeast4576]

because he is innocent.

[@patchesthepirate55]

His take of Jidion arguaing in bad faith and taking his side is dumb though

[@Alex_Lockheart]

I don't agree with you on one thing : we do not have to pick a side. You said you'd be on the human side because they have less resources than mega corporations, and I get that. But I will never be on the side of a human that is not genuinely trying to get better. I'm not taking any sides in this case

[@Madflip]

He’s not trying to get unbanned Lud

[@Damsel_In_Distress_528]

I think most of the Twitch staff, who are responsible for moderation, see the communities surrounding certain content creators and depending on how toxic said communities and their respective content creators are the moderators are more strict towards the channel/s responsible for said communities, and that I am all for. I would rather Twitch break their own rules to keep toxic creators and the people said creators attract to Twitch off the platform, rather than just 'let them fly;' the race and gender of these people are irrelevant, it's the kind of people they are and the people they attract to Twitch as a whole that is a problem for Twitch. It technically would fall under favoritism, but I don't believe the favoritism is always unjustified or without good reason, at least not all the time.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Your saying coomers are less toxic than JIDION's fans?

[@MattyGHerring]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 certainly

[@BuBornham]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 yes, obviously. Go outside some more. Let me put it in terms you can understand - Simps are less toxic than L bros, incels, hate raiding Twitch chatters - this is obvious. Coomers coom. JIDION fans brigade and harass women the moment their favorite online person WHO THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW tells them to. Any NORMAL HUMAN BEING should be able to understand this.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

@@BuBornham most simps and coomers ARE incels, have you seen the type of people who comment on porn sites and Twitter? It's like looking at Andrew Tate fans it horrid.

[@BuBornham]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 "Coomers" aren't that defined of a demographic group my guy. You're thinking about this too hard. The point is, Jidion's fans behave the way they do because of the way Jidion himself behaves. "Coomers" aren't a community you can even do anything about. These things are not comparable.

[@turtle_denim2823]

Cory: KZbin racism and favoritism Jidion: Twitch sexism and favoritism

[@AlienfromY841]

He made that video shortly after Cory did. It's pretty clear that he's trying to ride the latest controversy after seeing the impact it made and more importantly, how many views it got.

[@destdz]

@@AlienfromY841 wdym jidion is already getting millions of views on he's videos

[@NemzYT]

@@AlienfromY841 what are you on bro he was actually doing better than cory lmao

[@viettuannguyen3]

Seems like black people always play the victim card when they throw a fit on not getting it their way.

[@tellyg47]

@@AlienfromY841 it’s the perfect time to talk about it though imo. When one creator starts a moment of outing big streaming platforms then it’s only right other creators are gonna join.

[@B_B-420]

She wouldn't have even been banned, if it weren't for that reflection in the window. That reflection is actually what got her the 7 day ban.

[@pizzaclock9732]

Yeah but with her face is on the far right side of the camera and her "bopping", it looked to obvious, you don't even need a reflection

[@MrYounis26]

what are you even trying to say?

[@itsfiji825]

I love the "see ya later, goodbye!!" Outros

[@arguementenderz8738]

Mogul mails are the best! Make more! P.S. you sound like Ludwig

[@lgooch]

Omg I just noticed that similarity. He does sound like him

[@706truth]

I thought I was watching Ludwig the whole time

[@elbereth2738]

oh my gosh... now that I look at him, they're really similar ! I wonder if they're related

[@vishnumanjanath3389]

That's where I recognized the voice, thanks for reminding me

[@edmis90]

This Gideon guy, it feels like he's trying to get unbanned by attacking, by fear mongering. I hope a person like that never gets unbanned.

[@teeqx7361]

U didn’t even watch jidions video 🤦‍♂️

[@x3vanity851]

Uninformed ass comment💀

[@manuelemilioaquinoaraujo3154]

He said that he didnt want to get unbanned, hes good on yt, maybe old him would want the unban, but now he really doesnt

[@bobbobbob321]

6:00 When ludwig says that 2015 is old, I feel old..

[@flugelino]

The thing with this is that Jidion is not trying to get unbanned. He doesn't care about that anymore, so him doing this in "bad faith" is not really true. Even better, he has nothing to lose and because of this he is the perfect fit to be the "anti-Twitch guy". We need someone like him to stand up and cause a lil'bit of chaos for the greater good and hopefully see change from Twitch soon...

[@kingcam908]

He literally apologized and donated money to a charity a cause. To imply that he doesn't understand why he was banned is crazy

[@crispybatman480]

It is clear he does not want to get unbanned, he already said that multiple times. He said, like you, that he is good with youtube. He is done with twitch, so he just wants to fuck with them.

[@commanderdj]

He did say at the end of his video that he isn’t interested in being unbanned anymore, I’m pretty sure he was just using his ban as an example

[@frozenepsilon5295]

Jidion feels like he is constantly trying to get out of prison when all he had to do was confess and then keep his head down and do his time.

[@gregtheegg7030]

milk me

[@blast__zone]

Do his time? It's permanent.

[@Orchah]

wym they gave him a perma ban

[@Blaze-ub5uw]

How come he has to do his time when a girl who got fucked on stream then made threats doesnt

[@qt999.]

great metaphor

[@chiliaster4510]

glad to see his journalism degree is being put to good use

[@blastaton260z6]

“Squeaky cream- clean profile” -Ludwig 🤨🤨🤨🤨💀📸📸

[@fendviyo]

I love that he's crying about unfair his unban is while tiptoeing around the reason he was banned in the first place. Is showing nudity on stream bad? Yes. Should these streamers move to another platform? Yes. Should you be unbanned for sending malicious hate raids and creating week-long harassment campaigns against other content creators? No. The whole twitch is sexist thing comes off as a disingenuous attempt to shift blame onto others while never actually addressing his wrong doing.

[@mathew6498]

While I do agree that sending the hate raid was bad, but I do agree that being banned for something that has been resolved is not okay. Plus twitch has not just said "We're gunna keep you banned for your hate raid". Their just completely ignoring him and the fact that he's banned.

[@z0ffi928]

I mean it literally is unfair lol? Hate raids are perma ban… but getting fucked on stream is 7 days? That is unfair lmao

[@no_less03]

Well, tbf, the streamers involved solved their issues and jidion apologized. I'd understand a 1-2 year ban or something, but a perma ban? Idk. I kinda agree/disagree, because he just broke twitch TOS several times for several days unlike the girls who showed their skin way too much for just a couple of seconds. However, he apologized at the end of the day.

[@teeqx7361]

Twitch has a history of being sexist and he and pokimane are literally chill now. The one person who was actually affected by jidion is friends with him so what’s the problem now.

[@NaftaLina.]

u tweakin

[@sabertoothno34]

The thing is, the people who had sex on stream only hurt THEMSELVES. Jidion was harassing/hurting OTHERS using his fanbase. Twitch definitely has it's issues but I don't think Jidion was doing this because it's "sexist" but because he failed to see the difference in damge between those few clips and what he did that was worthy of a permanent ban then just a few days suspension.

[@TheApprentice83]

There are millions of kids on twitch. I think having sex on stream would be a pretty big issue and hurt a lot more people.

[@jomomma2082]

He did not deserve to be perma banned and why you dipshits still butthurt when the person he was “harassing” is over it and actual made up with him, yall have no common sense🤦‍♂️.

[@justkiddingnot1913]

Yeah actually that makes sense. I was thinking he’s absolutely just riding the current of “YT is racist“ , just like when he tried to ride on poki’s fame in the first place:/

[@raghuroxx3645]

How are you comparing having sex in twitch which has thousands of children watching to someone raiding saying "l + ratio" in joking way? Most of the time jidion is just fooling around

[@jomomma2082]

@@raghuroxx3645 thank you someone with common sense , you’re a rare bread my guy a lot of people in this comment section lack common sense it’s just a waste of time trying to explain something to them. 🤦‍♂️

[@peoplediewhenising]

you can’t get banned, quadruple down on harassing poki, brag that your comeback stream is gonna fire, keep your pfp has poki for wks, then cry sexism got you banned. the question isn’t “was jidion unfairly banned” imo, it’s “will twitch be more consistent with their treatment of creators big or small”. the answer is no obviously, but they can definitely still makes changes to do better by their creators

[@AlienfromY841]

Nice to see Ludwig's community has some common sense

[@patchesthepirate55]

people seem to forget that twitch wants to make money so the are going to have bias to big creators cause they make them money. Also this isnt the government they can be biased to whoever they want

[@MistyKathrine]

@@patchesthepirate55 Does twitch actually want to make money or just stop losing money?

[@patchesthepirate55]

@@MistyKathrine whats your point? elaborate

[@MistyKathrine]

@@patchesthepirate55 Twitch is long known for not being profitable, before twitch can start making money, they will have to stop bleeding money first.

[@wp12mv]

the problem isn't that Gideon was banned indefinitely, it's that the others weren't. imho, screw that guy, he hasn't changed

[@BTMcSweeney]

The "someone" who decided he's staying banned is HR. Jideon got permabanned because he was a legal liability. If they hadn't reacted by completely removing him from the platform they would be opening themselves up to a lawsuit from Poki. You can't go and blatantly, directly harass one of the company's top performers just days after you sign a contract.

[@angus5427]

yes but more simply he massively broke TOS. doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

[@chom4286]

he did an in person apology with poki and they made up. yes i agree he was wrong but he apologize and they are ok good terms now

[@Channel-23s]

Except they could’ve banned him. For a month not to mention the situation resolved itself and he even met poki in real life

[@patchesthepirate55]

@@chom4286 he apologized to poki but she has no say over moderation. he is a massive liabilty to have on the platform even if he apologized

[@MistyKathrine]

@@dreamshakejunya She didn't hurt or harass anyone. There was no victims. Big difference.

[@TheGoncas2]

"Even if the person is acting in bad faith, I still think it's worth it to side with that person" HAHAHAHAHAHA PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE SERIOUS

[@mrinsightful9217]

In the video, he's made it clear he doesn't want to be unbanned from twitch.

[@DizzyHex]

Jidion in his video said he doesn’t care about getting unbanned on Twitch because he’s having fun on KZbin, and for the video of where he’s going to twitch con yeah he wanted to rile up some stuff but he’s genuinely a fan of Tommy, I don’t think he’s fighting disingenuously, I feel like it’s one of those things that’s happens and laugh it off after and kinda just joke about and tease about it, I think what he’s doing now is actually standing up for the favoritism and sexism that Twitch actually has shown to be a thing because he’s obviously dealt with it

[@nothingjustnothing1739]

I think you could tell with the way Jidion came into your stream that one night and was trying his hardest to attack Twitch with everything that it really wasn't going to be in good faith. Had he just taken his ban, became friends with pokimane, and squashed the beef by stating what was wrong, I'd be fully on board with having him back on twitch even though I don't personally care but it seems to be a pattern with him to troll hard and I could also understand why Twitch wouldn't want him back. Though, sex on stream is insane. permaban seems like a reasonable punishment but 7 days? not even a month? It's kinda like what moist said which was that it's basically cosigning the behavior but I could also see that if it were to happen again that they wouldn't give her a second chance.

[@jurb417]

do you and Charlie just switch who gets to release internet drama videos first? lol was wondering when I'd see this. definitely ridiculous that these companies allow their TOS be regarded anyway they wish at the moment.

[@notmychannel167]

"Twitch is Falling Apart" yep I also got hacked so yeah

[@JaxxVs]

Dont ever take anything personal if you haven't shared a meal in their home..

[@Violet_Knights]

I think there are a couple problems comparing the bans because the content of the ban was different. While I do think a 7 day ban is ridiculous, hate raiding is an active problem that also bleeds into other creators. And like Ludwig said, how he acted after the ban was what made it into a permaban. I’m also concerned that now people will take “twitch is sexist to men” and use it against female creators/women in general. Just seems like a publicity thing that will end up hurting women even more

[@pedro-pascals-armpit]

yep!! thanks for saying that. nudity/having sex on stream and harassment are not comparable.

[@chrismarple]

But this is hurting men though. For years now twitch has openly favored female streamers over male streamers this has been going on for a long long time.

[@XRubenX]

a 1 time hate raide offense is nothing compared to constant visible porn and terrorist threats TO THE COMPANY's HQ........

[@mccormack570]

@@chrismarple Yes it is hurting men, but is it sexist towards men? No, it's sexist towards women. It's benevolent sexism towards women. In their eyes women must be protected so that twitch can make a profit off of women in the misogynistic "sex sells" manner. Sexism towards women hurts both men and women.

[@xXJAng3lXxx]

Idk, I mean sending someone a hate raid is kinda fucked up. Like having sex on stream is also kinda fucked up but its also not really hurting anybody (beside someone accidentally wandering into the stream or twitches reputation), but sending somebody a hate raid and using your power of influence to send your viewers to attack someone, your intentionally trying to hurt someone. But I do think anyone having sex on stream on purpose does deserve to be perma banned as well And both twitch and youtube are definitely racist.

[@kopii00]

I thought the same thing, like the whole sex thing was fucked up lmao but didn't hurt anyone.

[@hily88]

Yea I don’t think they’re on the same level. Both deserve a permaban but I would never say be on jidion’s side. It doesn’t have to be only two sides here. Twitch can be racist and sexist but that doesn’t mean that’s what’s happening here. He’s just bad.

[@tobithirteen7307]

Twitch needs to come out and state what type of actions can get you perma banned, and then they need to uphold that. Cause right now, it's almost like they have a random generator deciding on the amount to ban ppl.

[@panther3618]

11:24 "Squeaky cream- uh clean"

[@ogrxdy]

Couldn't agree with the entire video more. The entire video was accurate.

[@AmanoMiaki]

From what I understood from your last video regarding this creator, he weaponized his audience to attack both Poki and her audience (his audience were dming her audience members directly to harass them?). While they might have made up, that's an entire community of people who will likely never get an apology and were harassed for no reason. So the longer initial ban makes sense. Then, to follow that up, his behavior on social media doesn't show any change in intent or attitude, with him weaponizing his audience again. If Poki had to deal with that for a month, and he didn't show remorse to begin with, it's hard to believe he's changed at all or as you mentioned, really acknowledge his fault. It would feel more like a fake apology to appease the masses. Meanwhile, all the girls mentioned, while they did break TOS and were banned for inconsistent amounts of time, none of them attacked or brought that to another streamer's chat, no one else was effected except their own viewership (who likely knew what they were coming for). So both the crime and the punishment are less than. A simpler example for the two violations of TOS would be: outwardly expressing hate vs keeping it internal. Neither particularly good, but one effects other people and is therefore worse. Thank you for always breaking down the tea, always enjoy your videos. Though I believe a major point was missed here. Unless there's more relevant evidence (for instance, if a female streamer hate-raided a male streamers chat and was given a softer punishment), I don't see how this particular decision is sexist or racist. Though I'm sure there are many internal biases at Twitch and am not trying to defend them as a company. (Please don't harass me for this comment, it's just discussion from what I understand T.T)

[@hogui3150]

Lol your delusional and biased af. He showed remorse multiple times and apologized to Poki multiple times and even be friended her after the ban. You saying he hasn’t changed is just a complete lie when he’s literally brought up the ban multiple times on stream as an example of how wrong it was. E And each time he brings it up in his streams he always explains how bad it was and how what he did was wrong but u wouldn’t know that because your biased and don’t actually watch him yet you feel the need to comment on someone you don’t know. Stop acting like he didn’t apologize and is just doing the same trolling bullshit he was doing before it’s bad faith af. Also he has grown from it, what major controversy has he been after that ban? None. The only one was the tommyinnit and he was the victim in that one. Also your excuse for the female streamers not getting permafrost is horrible and it just goes to show how biased you are. Just because someone hasn’t caused “any harm to other streamers” doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get permad? You do realize theirs multiple ways to get permad right and people have gotten permad for way less than “causing hate to other streamers” like Dr Disrespect. If you SEVERELY break TOS you will be perma banned and a lot of female streamers like this girl, have done that YET THEIR NOT PERMA BANNED. If you think having literal sex on a live stream which is pretty much just full on porn ISNT deserving of a perma then ur just delusional lol. I Gurantee if this was Jidion showing himself having sex LIVE, YOU would be advocating for a perma because of your bias. Also female streamers have caused harm to other ppl plenty of times😂 yet never get banned for it. A female streamer literally said she wanted to shoot up twitch HQ which is a severe violation of TOS yet NEVER got perma banned for it, she only got 22 days. Pokimane attacked a guys sponsors and got him harassed yet never got permad or even banned for it which is an extreme violation of TOS yet NEVER got banned for it. But when a man even slightly breaks tos they get harsh bans like xqc and Kai cenat. Female streamers severely break TOS all the time like poki,this girl and the girl who Said she was gonna shoot up twitch, yet never get any good punishment for it yet male streamers constantly get banned for the smallest things. It’s sexism and Jidion is right but your too biased to see it. Stop making Excuses

[@WooziiLive]

I feel like the majority of people who don't like Jidion only hear about him when there's controversy involved lmao

[@DsgSleazy]

Ahh, harrassment, just like when pokimane and her community harrssaed that gundam guy and his right? Or it's only a problem when it's your queen?

[@AmanoMiaki]

@@WooziiLive I don't particularly care for his content, not really interested in prank videos, so that's personal preference. But yes, the controversy that surrounds him doesn't give the best impression. That's kind of how it is though, right? First impressions are important and all that?

[@AmanoMiaki]

@@DsgSleazy I assume "your queen" refers to Poki, but I am a neutral 3rd party (that means I don't really care about either of them). Even if I wasn't, I am capable of looking at violations in an objective manner. I understand you're upset your favorite creator is essentially permabanned from Twitch so you're feeling a bit emotional speaking for him, and the point you bring up may be valid but I don't know of that controversy to verify it. If it was valid though, I would think Ludwig or Jidion himself would have brought that up as a point since it is a much stronger argument. Of course, you're welcome to type a proper response to inform me. Leaving the sass out of it would make it more convincing.

[@RRM693]

2:47 yeah that won't get taken out of context

[@YoGrannyGotNoKnees]

2:35 i had to pause this right at the moment to make sure it was not what i was thinking it was

[@itstyqk]

always much love lud ty for the entertainment consistently

[@ncldaunting3541]

Man Ludwig you are doing great! It’s awesome being able to see you change and grow and just be a great guy through these years and through your videos. I remember one taking a video that didn’t have a chat was difficult but look at you now! Your doing great and changing lives for the better.

[@the26local96]

no the end wasn't a ramble...that was the realest shit you said the whole video

[@AbdulRehman-lb5ok]

Ludwig with that Freudian slip after talking about naked cowboys. "Squeaky cream" (11:24)

[@oliverlarosa8046]

Bad faith or not, the issues he's brought up are legitimate. Twitch needs to be consistent with its punishments, regardless of demographic.

[@Whydidtheychangeittohandlesnow]

There’s no hope in my eyes for anything to change anytime soon unless somehow everyone comes together to make a huge movement or figure out legal action. That’s the only way giant companies like KZbin and twitch will change.

[@shwars576]

That girl wasn’t riding the line, she was riding the dude

[@cornelius77]

ok this has to be the best mogul mail I've seen so far, I've loved every one but these takes I just fully agreed with, twitch is constantly evolving and changing over time, and its up to them if they want to embrace that change or push away from it. They really need to try their best when it comes to adapting to the community, and truly listen to what creators are saying. There are so many issues that keep coming up when it comes to how social media is used, and I feel like all I can do is hope that things change for the better :(

[@KJ-fb7th]

I think at this point he doesn't care about being banned, it is more that he got a life time ban while these other streamers got a slap on the wrist for an "equal" crime.

[@Schmidty1]

I love how Ludwig wears LA Thieves merch all the time haha.

[@jacksonmasco]

this whole time i thought that girl who left her camera on during sex just forgot to turn off her stream, knowing that she was streaming WHILE having sex is incredibly disturbing

[@starsuperior2615]

There is even a 3 min clip of her having s*x and for few 5 to 10 seconds she showed her boobs on stream i dont know how she didnt get perma banned😂

[@frisk.is.agender5732]

Jidion also harassed people at twitchcon, he doesn't seem to have actually grown much as a person or creator, even if he shouldn't have been originally permabanned he should've been after these situations kept happening with him

[@yurr7408]

Ehh Lidion doesn't want anything but clout. If he comes back to the platform he's just going to bring his chaos back in with it

[@raillizr]

It's crazy that he talked about this because Kai Cenat legit hit 60 thousand subs last night and is no.2 on twitch right now so it's crazy how twitch can just air that side of the community. You don't even really see the W or L community at twitch con or anything cause they legit made their OWN convention called dream con 11:54

[@mccormack570]

There's also the aspect that Pokemaine could very easily have been forced into a situation where accepting the apology was the only viable option. People would blame and harass Pokemaine endlessly if she refused the apology, and considering the apology is for a prior hate raid that lasted weeks, it wouldn't surprise me if accepting the apology was just a business move. Also a huge part of an apology is accepting the consequences of your actions, the consequences of sending fans to hate a creator for weeks, and then being a huge dick to the staff at twitch, is a ban.

[@instigator3604]

He has accepted it, he doesn’t want to go back to twitch, he’s just pointing out the unfairness and inconsistencies within the bans on twitch and how they treat certain creators on the platform.

[@mccormack570]

@@instigator3604 Him using his own ban as an example of twitch's inconsistent rules is stupid considering his ban was justified. he can't simultaneously say his ban was justified and that he was treated unjustly. "I was banned fairly, but also why am I banned if they're not, it's unfair twitch hates me" just comes off as slimy, if he actually cared about calling attention he would've bowed his head and then mentioned how these people should also be banned, not hurl baseless accusations of "male sexism" which makes actual advocates look stupid.

[@instigator3604]

@@mccormack570 did you even watch his video??? If you actually did, u would see that he didn’t only use himself as an example. He really doesn’t care about the ban, he’s just saying what has been said about twitch for the longest. How are people able to show porn to kids on there and not get perma banned? How are people able to make public threats, and get unbanned? It’s clear that there’s some form of unfairness. He’s just speaking out for the streamers that’s scared to speak out about it.

[@mccormack570]

@@instigator3604 The issue is, he still used himself; an example of someone who was justifiably banned.

[@gameninja1059]

2:55 Jesus Christ. I guess we know what Twitch’s new slogan is. Twitch: P*****b 2.0

[@CrazyIrishmen7]

I'd love to see you talk about the MXR situation, youtube constantly gives them trouble or outright demonitizes their entire channel, which they did again recently.

[@joeyjojos5839]

I definitely agree that theres a double standard but like, isn't targeted harrassment way worse than like, sexual content? Like people can easily put some clothes on and not fuck on stream but if someone harrasses people theres no promise theyre not going to do it again.

[@dbznappa]

I like Shake's take. "Maybe harrassing people is worse than having sex." Hell yeah it is!

[@jazzhands6055]

If you made a made a post on Twitch that said “I hate women” it would get flagged and taken down, but if you made a post that said “I hate men” nothing would happen. I’m glad these companies are getting called out on their bs

[@nenamydog1]

What I’ve learned from these past 2 videos is that Ludwig is a favorite wherever he goes

[@Mothromance]

I do think there’s something to be said for the perspective of like… streaming porn isn’t targeting/harming someone, whereas if you’re harassing or targeting a user/creator that maybe deserves a stronger punishment. But if that’s twitch’s stance they need to just… say so, lol. I feel like if they want to make bans for some behavior more severe that’d be ok (I’m sure some people would be unhappy with it, but that’s always gonna be the case) if they like, give people the info. If they’re transparent. But I have no idea if that’s what they’re going for bc they aren’t transparent about it

[@jenny5272]

I completely agree that twitch is bigoted and plays favorites, of course that woman who had sex live should've gotten banned much longer if not permanently. BUT I also feel like Jidion kinda also deserves to be still be banned. He didn't just hate raid someone, he also continuously harassed them afterward then harassed the company in charge of unbanning him. All the while being sexist. The way he acted on twitter wasn't okay and I feel like everyone is acting like it was.

[@carrieullrich5059]

Agreed. We can't allow misogyny to be acceptable because its common. Apologies after weeks of hate speech are usually worthless, and no change has happened in the offender other than they didn't enjoy the consequences of their hateful actions

[@particle6525]

@@carrieullrich5059 A few weeks of it? I'm pretty sure that is not the case

[@iHvdra]

Ludwig thank you so much for bringing up the W L community. great video overall. tysm.

[@Apinanoob]

Can't wait for the follow up "Twitch is done and not only on Twitch."

[@Clonegaming-CT]

I love the chaos going on at KZbin and twitch right now