Twitter Fight Leads To Impromptu Debate w/ Right Leaning YouTuber Glink

[@destiny]

Destiny calls out Glink ( twitter.com/GlinkLive ) on Twitter and he agrees to hop into call to debate.

[@russell5700]

Hi

[@kungfujoe2136]

outside is vitamine D

[@aaronyayo437]

Israel did a study that claimed that 60% of new cases are vaccinated people.

[@kungfujoe2136]

why do ppl in charge never need to follow the rules?

[@unluckygamer692]

Link is messed up because the bracket at the end was included

[@dudewhodoesstuff8959]

"Science is when people on Facebook swap anecdotes and headlines with each other without doing any quantitative analysis." - Richard Feynman

[@4thzone697]

“Facebook is a revolution in terms of the scientific method. Soccer moms will now carry the torch, utilising scientific memes to undo the bastardised work of the socialist liberal college elite” - Albert Einstein

[@pawlogates]

@@4thzone697 I actually love this comment

[@downsjmmyjones101]

"Sharing your conclusions is part of the scientific method" Destiny has a Phd in AMOGUS memes.

[@4thzone697]

@@pawlogates You mean quote ;)

[@pawlogates]

@@4thzone697 ;)

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

TLDW: Destiny argues that institutions are more trustworthy than random people who are incentivized to get as many clicks as possible.

[@666DemonCleaner]

Institutions aren’t incentivized?

[@GlinkBetweenWorlds]

Right, and institutions are never corrupted by a conflict of interest and they are always held accountable

[@seanmatthewking]

Random note: Can we all agree that Destiny telling everyone “I love you” after discussions is weird and disingenuous sounding? I don’t know why he does that. 1:15:29 I mean, I get reestablishing more amicable relations after heated debate, but you don’t do that by telling random people or acquaintances “I love you.”

[@Crispman_777]

@@seanmatthewking I think it's half that and half sarcasm at having to even engage in the whole "no bad feelings" in the first place

[@the_steezlord]

@@GlinkBetweenWorlds Love your videos man, but please cut it out with this fake free-thinker bullshit. You didn't need any of it to get your point across and you looked silly.

[@johnsalera4985]

I'm really happy that Destiny made sure he could focus on the conversation by feeding as much as possible. It's really easy to have a debate when you're in spawn

[@2hot4u435]

Why he plays league still is beyond me... it’s such a shit game to watch, it’s literally unwatchable if you don’t know how to play it. Not to mention all the stupid ass sound effects. It’s not surprising though,Destiny has always been the abrasive type when it comes to stuff like that. Good on him for continuing to play a game that his whole chat hates I guess lol

[@itzAndy03]

@@2hot4u435 I mean I agree it sucks but that game is massive so not everyone thinks its boring clearly

[@abc123number1america]

o7

[@davidgn40]

@@itzAndy03 no one hates League more than League players.

[@d4c155]

LMFAO honestly dude when he was chasing the camoflagued twitch under tower lik 6 minutes into the video i was ready to cry

[@mathewburr2126]

People need to be told they are stupid again. During my cringe teenage years I would also question and thought I knew more than experts and until my mom reminded me I’m an idiot who barely passed basic algebra

[@PacifistBetaFish]

This unironically speaks to how lowering the barrier of entry for people to get wide audiences on social media has made it so that any, frankly speaking, moron to have more perceived authority and reliability than institutions

[@LB-mr8qv]

@John Langley mental health moment

[@Dziugenonas]

Yet Destiny's fanboys aren't calling him out for spouting blatant misinformation related to the immune system.

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@John Langley "such as the lab leak theory, which turned out to be a fact." Bruh.

[@LB-mr8qv]

@John Langley "polling data where most democrats actually believed that 50% of people who get covid are hospitalized". This can't possibly be true. Please stop watching Bill Maher, stop watching political content, delete your social, seek a therapist and seek healthier hobbies. This is clearly unhealthy for you.

[@otmanh]

People really think their immune system works exactly how Super Saiyan powers work in the anime🥴

[@saininj]

Zenkai boost for everything that almost kills you.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

What? You're telling me you guys DON'T have senzu beans?

[@otmanh]

@@downsjmmyjones101 I'm telling you I don't need Senzu beans anymore, I just have to scream endlessly out of the top of my lungs.

[@The92Waffles]

tbf its a very prevailing opinion. Most everyone I know has at least joked about it or thinks semi seriously that exposure to germs makes your immune system stronger. I haven't given it much thought myself... when I get time to watch this I can't wait to hear Destiny's retort

[@snakebagel9729]

Well I see a lot of people walking around with blue hair screaming about vaccines …. I assumed they were super sayins

[@matincatrat]

*this guy's apartment building is burning down around him* "There has never been a better moment for me to go door-to-door telling my neighbors to question the efficacy of the fire department."

[@Celestina0]

“Firefighters actually WANT fires because it keeps them in the job”

[@LVArturs]

"The water they're about to pour on the fire will turn your kids (and all the frogs) gay!"

[@iz2333]

"excuse me is that even water inside that hose? I'm gonna have to verify it first, hold on imma see if my lab equipment hasn't turned to ashes yet"

[@iz2333]

@Kyle Kyle Do you think there has never been a fire fighter who set a fire?

[@iz2333]

@Kyle Kyle If that's the case then you're gonna have to give me a large scientific institution that killed a bunch of people under dubious circumstances.

[@ordohereticus3427]

And this is why anti-intellectualism of the reactionary variety will always be a bigger hurdle in the face of a forward thinking society.

[@colton6457]

This guy has fallen for the aesthetics of “expertise.” He doesn’t believe in the “obviously crazy” people who rant on Twitter, but he’ll happily buy into a single expert who can present a counter narrative that sounds plausible to a layman. A really good question would be to ask what makes than counter narrative more appealing to him than the mainstream one.

[@cams8995]

I feel like it makes people feel enlightened to go against the mainstream narrative. Also the level of confidence in the establishment has been decreasing in western democracies. In some cases it's justified by previous fuck ups from our governments, but it could also be the result of how much freedom we have to question and criticize our authorities. In democracies, both the opposition parties and the media have a vested interest in bashing anything the government does, whether to garner votes or a certain audience. I'd be interested in hearing yall opinions as well

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@cams8995 In Canada the media has a vested interest in suck8ng the governments willy. I do agree it's a fashionable thing to be against the mainstream. Political hipsterism is the flavor of the month. I think my biggest problem with the way Destiny was approaching this discussion is that he is completely discrediting an entire side of the topic without really addressing it. Just because he believes that random people on Facebook don't have all the answers doesn't mean that prominent thinkers who are not part of the establishment brand are incorrect. Discussions on Ivermectin were quashed by social media and the drug was discredited by many on the left. Most of the experts refuse to address it likely because they would have to admit to its efficacy 8g they wished to tell the truth. There is absolutely a war on the truth going on. But it's not one-sided in the slightest. Everyone has picked the team they believe tells the truth and is just firing shots against the other.

[@josiahclarke3535]

The appealing thing about the discussion on Ivermectin is that it does not require taking a vaccine that is untested; as well as providing an affordable treatment option that has a long history of safety and ease if production.

[@s7d788]

@@josiahclarke3535 That's the problem, it's been turned into sports teams when it's not. About ivermectin: have you seen the counter arguments? And how the ivermectin proponents basically ignore concerns about low quality evidence? If you're a layman I understand not being able to distinguish between a bad paper and a good paper, but that's where we are right now and how anyone with good speaking skills can get his 15 minutes of fame/grift. A narrative is not the truth. It's wrong what social media is doing though, they make it so much harder to figure out.

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@s7d788 I understand that people see it as low quality evidence as it was not discovered through traditional means(long testing periods, meeting certain research standards, etc) but that same argument is used against the vaccines and I think you can use the same reasoning against it. These are not normal times, and in large part we have to rely on what may seen like anecdotal evidence. If you look into what us available it seems to be about as promising if not a little more than the vaccines. Obviously most countries are going to downplay this to some extent seeing as they already have massive deals set up with the pharmaceutical manufacturers of the vaccines.

[@thisisaname2250]

The fact that this guy thinks the average person will sort out wrong information on their own is beyond laughable. Is this his first day on the internet?

[@corbenmurphy1807]

He just fell out the tree

[@handsomebear.]

Ikr, he could just read your comments and have his mind completely changed lmao

[@Jrez]

It's the ultimate libertarian.

[@josiahclarke3535]

I think the point is more about giving the average person the ability to at least try.

[@martinpp95]

@@josiahclarke3535 yeah, until you get people that would side to the news that suit their world. An antitrans person would only listen to the information that say what he wants to hear about that topic, even if it's not true. And like that with every topic.

[@zacharychristy8928]

Imagine, after everything we've seen, thinking that people won't fall for fearmongering because it's in the form of "Hey, I'm just asking questions".

[@zacharychristy8928]

@Kyle Kyle The independent media producers (like Weinstein) casting doubt on the safety and necessity of the vaccine, or the danger of the virus then alluding to widespread information suppression in our institutions based solely on the idea that most media networks or academic institutions aren't spouting their sensational, unsubstantiated talking points. Then putting it all under the guise of a "necessary discussion" even though there's never any information of substance or integrity, just the speculation of individual people with little to no concrete evidence. This kind of "hey I'm just asking questions and having hard conversations" excuse is exactly what Destiny described. A rebellious teenager mentality that pads the pockets of content creators and gets innocent people killed.

[@matsab7930]

@Kyle Kyle 1 - it’s been approved in the EU, honestly a safer regulatory body when it comes to medicines. 2 - no. The information is freely available. There are many vaccines made independently by private companies. How they tested the safety of their vaccines is information you can freely access. 3 - uncertain, however it seems far more likely this developed naturally. Ultimately what a lot of conspiracy theorists making claims about the origin of the virus forget is that nature is brutal. Nature produced the Black Death, a pandemic which wiped out a third of Europe’s population. It certainly wasn’t a designed virus.

[@crushinnihilism]

@@zacharychristy8928 Brett weinstein is an evolutionary biologist. His brother is a mathematician who out forth a new theoy of everything. His wife is an anthropologist. These are experts not just media personalities. Destiny is just a media personality.

[@zacharychristy8928]

@@crushinnihilismStop making fallacious appeals to authority. None of those things give these people absolute authority on the topic of a novel vaccine or the origin of a virus. I've watched their material, they never cite any concrete evidence, they just do the same shit than any hack content creator does, they just have a bigger vocabulary. You fucked up big time giving any credibility to GU. Tim Nguyen and his colleague found 2 massive flaws with the theory that pretty clearly show that it's dead in the water. Eric's response was to cry about it on JRE and make character attacks against them. It's not a potential theory of everything, it's a pet project that Eric stoppped working on decades ago to go into investment banking, but keeps using to fuel his messiah complex anyway. These are smart people but like any smart person, once they start speaking with authority about things outside of their area of expertise they say some absolutely stupid shit.

[@zacharychristy8928]

@Kyle Kyle this is straight up conspiracy speak. 1.) The FDA approval process is longer and more rigorous than is necessary to prove safety in all cases. Plenty of other widely used drugs do not have FDA approval, and all the rich 'elites' of the world have been vaccinated. You're talking nonsense. You know what we know for certain had devastating long-term effects on the brain and lungs? COVID 19. Even if there are potential long-term effects, the risk assessment is insanely simple. 2.) Widespread suppression? What SUBSTANTIVE information has been suppressed? Hollow sensationalist speculation? Telling people not to get the vaccine, wear masks, or take COVID seriously has cost lives. People chasing crackpot theories and casting doubt on lifesaving treatments for pure clout makes these platforms less valuable and ruins their image to advertisers. It's just capitalism. Weinstein isn't in jail, he hasn't been sued, he just shot his revenue stream in the foot because he valued human life less than sounding smart. 3.) Drawing this conclusion with no actual evidence is pure conjecture. You cannot cite "common sense", people say the same shit about flat earth. You need EVIDENCE. Let's say we have it, let's say there was a lab leak caused by gross negligence. Does anything change? Political pressure to bring China to justice increases, but absolutely nothing about our approach to containing and preventing the virus changes. You'll still be told to wear masks, socially distance and get the vaccine even of it was a lab leak. Proving a lab leak real doesn't bring back the people who were killed by the stupid shit that people like you say.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

He sees it as "people who aren't funded by X" instead of "people with absolutely no credentials on the subject" If he's not a conspiracy theorist, he sure reinforce their ideas.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

​@I PUT MY BALLS ON YOUR DRUM SET Can't find the exact quote without rewatching the entire thing He somewhat mentions it 44:42 but there was another part where he directly mentioned funding Great username btw

[@RamzaBeoulves]

@Kyle Kyle That's the quote I specifically said isn't the quote I remember He also was just trying to make his argument more palatable when he said "qualified" as he isn't qualified himself and defends other unqualified people. He implied experts can't be trusted, claims money can influences academia and pushes the idea that more information factual or not is better. If that doesn't help conspiracy theorists, I don't know what is

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@RamzaBeoulves Where did he imply that experts can't be trusted? It's so ironic that you're trying to spread the message that misinformation is bad, while just aimlessly spreading patently false statements to reinforce your point.

[@vsrr83]

Practically every antivaxxer says that they are not antivaxxers but somehow repeat every antivaxxer talking point.

[@cianbroderick4145]

For the greater good I totally understand the necessity of the vaccine, doesn’t mean I don’t hate the fact that I need to get it. I hate the fact that some bullshit mistake has led to me needing a needle in my arm, unknown medicine running through my arm and nights of anxiety and pain

[@yuikol14]

@@cianbroderick4145 your arm gets sore for 2 days. If you have a phobia of needles I get it, but hepatitis, malaria, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, tuberculosis, shingles, list goes on, are much much worse

[@iz2333]

@@cianbroderick4145 You should probably talk to a therapist or very very friendly doctor about that, your life would be much easier.

[@iz2333]

@@yuikol14 yep anyone who ever worked out even once in their life has already experienced much worse pain than the vaccine could ever cause

[@ronaldmexico1297]

@@cianbroderick4145 its such a minor inconvenience lmao. You’re insane.

[@charlieme2295]

One of the things my sister does is that she will see misinformation, think it has some truth but never looks into it and doesn’t look back on it

[@James-wf8nu]

Omg I used to like some of Glinks content but his political takes are dogshit and I doubt he can justify most of the positions he takes, this will be interesting

[@SuperLotus]

I liked some of his videos too, but he definitely has a certain point of view. I'm still subbed, but if they get more political and/or biased I might stop watching.

[@handsomebear.]

As opposed to you? lmao. Go argue against him then, I'd love to see it XD

[@TrentonF505]

Same here I’ve enjoyed a lot of Glinks content but he’s so wrong here

[@masterxitra]

@@handsomebear. thats the same childish argument as ( Lol you're just jealous, bet you cant even do better) what are you 10?

[@downsjmmyjones101]

Glink just thinks every alternative media outlet is Erin Brockavich.

[@WillHouldy]

I get that everyone can have an opinion on things but that doesn't mean it's worth anything. He keeps saying things like "it's the responsibility of the public to discuss these things", mate I'm part of that public and I thick. I have my opinions on the vaccines, the government approach and everything else but my opinion means literally nothing, especially in comparison to the opinions of people who have spent their whole lives working with viruses/diseases. His whole argument boils down to "I think Joe, the brick layer, from down the road has as much of a valid opinion on vaccines as he does brick laying" It's just so stupid.

[@DANGER10101]

No that's okay the problem is he is saying people with mass following that mislead people are equal to joe

[@TEFFTPATTERN]

This is how people used to treat priests in the Middle Ages. I’m just a wretch, you’re touched by God, you’ve spent your whole life in celibacy for this! Tell me what to do

[@WillHouldy]

@@TEFFTPATTERN Well, in the priests case, I would listen to him if I wanted to talk about god. Just like I'd listen to a brick layer about how to lay bricks … I don't get what you're saying. Do you think I'd listen to a priest explain brick laying to me? I may be thick but I'm not naive.

[@DANGER10101]

@John Langley they're still a lot more informed on it than republicans and fox news and alex jons, and that's kinda what i said... Influential entities shouldn't be treated as if they're just an average nobody saying their opinion

[@iz2333]

@@TEFFTPATTERN Well yeah if you can't fucking read it'd be pretty stupid to distrust the only literate guy in your town on what some books says.

[@Leinja]

"...those guys are losers that sit in rooms and invent theorems." - Destiny about mathematicians

[@vanakneon621]

and getting paid for it lol Sounds good to me

[@Pleasekillmysonsdad]

We get drunk in those rooms as well thank you. It's the only way to cope.

[@memesleeb2214]

As opposed to sitting in ur room all day playing league, real winner there lol

[@cooperpearson4518]

Subsidized by our tax dollars. The red pill is realizing mathematicians are the real welfare queens 🥴

[@derekstiles5801]

I think a big distinction is that in Glink’s world, everyone is qualified to have an opinion because they bring a “New take.” No, I don’t think Tucker Carlson’s opinion on the virus should be taken seriously.

[@superexplosive]

I really wonder how valuable it is to take this kind of armchair skepticism seriously. Like, does being patient and sympathetic with borderline conspiracy theorists actually win them over? I genuinely want to know. When I talk to these people, half of me wants to meet them where they’re at and use gentle persuasion. The other half just wants to call them braindead and not even entertain their bad takes. Such a dilemma.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

The method is dependent on the individual.

[@snakeEyedPirate]

“To you funding equates to accountability - which I think that’s often times not true and maybe even the opposite of true.” - Glink

[@whydesignco]

I think he keeps explaining the reason to centralize information more than decentralize it without realizing it lol

[@Marqrk]

He kind of perfectly summarizes the point of the opposition without realizing it continuously

[@secondengineer9814]

Regarding lab leak, the original lab leak statements weren't actually that harsh or severe, and were taken more harshly and severely and panned by most of the media. But it might have been a mistake to discount the idea so unanimously.

[@andrewteague114]

It's not a mistake until someone actually provides evidence it happened.

[@criticalcandor]

It's not about proof that it happened as much as proof that the alternative narrative is less likely. Either our timeline is off thanks to the Chinese narrative or it didn't go from animal, to human and then quickly went from human to human.

[@TobyTries.]

@@andrewteague114 They've tried to collect evidence from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but the Chinese government has denied access. That's just how China works bro

[@andrewteague114]

@@TobyTries. I'm pretty sure the WHO got access. Not total access, but they visited the lab as part of their investigation and ruled out a lab leak as a likely possibility.

[@horus909]

It wasn't a mistake it was entirely intentional, they were constructing a narrative. They hoped the story would begin with the food market, but that was soon disproved as a source. The early Lancet letter signed by 20 or so people, some with conflicts of interest, explicitly labeled the hypothesis as impossible, and the media used that to shut down "acceptable" discussion for over a year. The man who wrote the letter(Daszak) lied, and there was ZERO evidence it was impossible that it was a lab leak. The possibility should have been discussed, and more pressure laid on China to open up to outside experts so the truth could be discovered. That is a lost opportunity.

[@iz2333]

I didn't think much of Glink but christ I didn't expect him to lack a 101 understanding of how markets work. Pump and dumps have been illegal for ~30+ years and those lawmakers back then sure as fuck weren't psychics who looked into the future.

[@bean-pod]

I'm surprised more people didn't LOL over this and that dude spent 1/2 hr trying to convince Destiny that Market Speculation is a "new" thing thanks to Reddit 🤦‍♀️

[@AK4525]

yea that was a particularly dumb end

[@chimchu3232]

It's literally been happening since the dawn of free markets 😆 people were absolutely pumping and dumping stocks in the 70's, it's just in the past it was smart money and institutions, the internet has given retail a way to band together and do the same thing institutions have always done

[@ghengiskhan9308]

I wasn't surprised he probably doesn't spend his time day trading plus he doesn't even make content on the topic I'm pretty sure. He also isn't known for his debating skills. I think people just need to stop drooling around on these Internet debates, shit is stupid. You'll get much more out of reading books and doing some kind of sport.

[@B_B-420]

I really wish people would understand that being demonitized is not "censorship". Someone could argue that they are being "censored" if KZbin bans them, but not for demonitization. No one is entitled to be paid by KZbin. If all advertisers pulled out of KZbin, and they just stopped paying every single person in the Partner Program... Are they "censoring" every single person that's still able to post videos on the platform, who just aren't being paid for those videos?

[@leaslak2378]

Your argument would be correct if demonetization did not also lead to a soft shadow-ban, where the video is less recomended.

[@gingerlicious3500]

Also, no one is entitled to being taken seriously. If your opinion is bullshit, and I tell you it's bullshit and that I'm not going to pay attention to what you have to say on the topic, no one is being censored.

[@B_B-420]

@@leaslak2378 So how exactly is the video being less recommended "censorship"? The video still exists and people can view it, correct? I'm going to start a new channel, and if every video I make isn't recommended to every single person on KZbin, then they're "censoring" me! Oh and they have to pay me a million dollars a video, or that's "censorship" too!

[@leaslak2378]

@@B_B-420 I agree that no should be entitled to having YT spreading their message, and absolutely not entiteld to reciving any money from YT. But when the platform is based on having YT feed you recomendations based on what you are watching, removing you from the recomendation part of YT is in a sense a form of suppresion.

[@B_B-420]

@@leaslak2378 Fox News' platform is based on recommendations. If you go to FoxNews.com, they have like 50 "exclusive clips" on the left side of the page. Why can't I even post videos on their website? Why is Fox News "censoring" me? If having a video recommended to people, would cause advertisers to pull money out of the platform, why on Earth would KZbin recommend those videos and sabotage their own income?

[@tanner3907]

thanks for adding the zoomer edits over swears , really pulling in the masses to omniliberalism inshalla 🙏 🙏

[@AustinRxxxx]

Dafauq is inshalla?

[@aBrainParasite]

@@AustinRxxxx haram moment bro

[@Pharomid]

@@AustinRxxxx Bismillah young one, I will pray for you.

[@AustinRxxxx]

@@Pharomid young one lmao I’m 30

[@rofl_waffl]

@@AustinRxxxx It roughly means "If god wills it" in Arabic

[@SporkyMcFly]

Building a lot of antibodies for a lot of diseases is impossible without vaccines or getting sick. Getting sick strengthens your immune system. But being sick in itself should only weaken it, due to the loss of mass in the form of blood cells and water.

[@wolfhide4488]

Thank you Leonardo for your constant relevance and wisdom.

[@mewntay230]

da Vinci knows best!

[@ZimMan26]

I appreciate that this guy is clearly debating in good faith. That being said it’s discouraging that even somebody well intentioned is basically immovable within a conversation. I guess most change in opinion must happen after the fact

[@ShuffleboardJerk]

Even the most good faith debaters will NEVER change their mind during a debate. That is just so hard to do.

[@morgzana1374]

​@@ShuffleboardJerk very few will change there mind from a debate but it can be subconscious seed for when someone is ready to doubt there personal views. This debate seemed pretty good faith but must debates are just bad faith and made to prove the viewers that the other person is stupid, those type of debates don't even plant twinky seeds

[@Brokenfirealarm]

If you want the perfect immune system just play League. You're exposing yourself to toxicity every game.

[@theopher3555]

Destiny is 100% wrong on the lab leak narrative

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Which one the "they sent it" or "they created it" part?

[@theopher3555]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 the revisionist history on how it was treated by the media and social media. There were people suggesting it could have been an accidental leak, plenty. And there was the usual statement of 8,000,000 scienticians signed some stupid letter that says it 1,000% impossible it’s less than 400% natural. I swear I’m going to puke if I hear about one more letter signed by a coalition of experts. Breaking news and breaking information is just like anywhere else, a bunch of people are going to get it wrong. I’m forever ruined by the vaping death epidemic right before the pandemic. One of destiny’s top 10 worst takes is always trust mainstream news/experts. Just because they’re generally trustworthy doesn’t mean you don’t have to fact check every single article you read against 12 other news outlets to make sure you’re getting the truth because if you ain’t you’re probably wrong.

[@Quansen45]

Destiny is wrong because he is an ADC main. ADC mains aren't people. Day 1

[@Bminutes]

What he did was not ADC 😂

[@Quansen45]

@@Bminutes i meant in league of legends

[@wreckfish3198]

TRUUUE

[@Bminutes]

@@Quansen45 I’m saying he sucks

[@DahVoozel]

He is arguing too hard about listening to more different voices BUT he doesn't speak AT ALL about HOW to evaluate a voice to judge it's believability.

[@gingerlicious3500]

He's the walking example of what Issac Asimov was talking about when he said that America has fostered a culture of anti-intellectualism that says; "democracy means my ignorance has as much value as your knowledge."

[@snowballeffect7812]

Because he just believes who says the things he likes.

[@snowballeffect7812]

@Kyle Kyle I'm pretty sure his plan is to take the plurality of expert opinion and peer reviewed science to come to a conclusion instead of a psycho with ulterior motives. That Brett moron literally is telling lies bout ivermectin that has been thoroughly debunked months ago.

[@mariamoooooo]

@@gingerlicious3500 i wish i could favorite comments because this right here is so true lol

[@ThePainkiller9995]

i really think listening to these people talk is bad for my health. holy shit, they're bad take machines. like i was so happy before i started watching this

[@mewntay230]

You & me both.

[@Stable_Genius]

Join the club. I feel like a dipshit after listening to these tools.

[@somebodyimportant3490]

Okay Kyle Kyle. I will do that

[@christophergreen6595]

@Kyle Kyle I'm sorry, is the virus real to you today, or not? If its a bioweapon, why won't you support any of the dozen vaccines? Doesn't have to be the globalist one :p

[@christophergreen6595]

@Kyle Kyle yes, we should let covid run rampant for another year or two while we do long-term clinical studies. All the available data says go. I lost two elderly relatives already, and my parents are right in the kill-zone, while numerous chuds I know think the whole thing is an NWO hoax. Forgive me if I'm tired of rehashing this shit by now.

[@10kanutt]

The low buzz each time he swears is way worse than just dropping his volume to make a muted blank when he swears. Preferably, just do nothing. Let the swears go through uninterrupted.

[@someonexd1961]

yeah this was annoying af

[@overtone55]

It's probably related to YT monetization

[@TheseusPro]

he completely misunderstood the meaning of the “peer review” step. peers aren’t laymen, its other highly educated people who work in the field

[@dawsondocuments7203]

Regards of this Glick guy's views...you don't understand how peer review works at all. Peers have vested interests to not have new views (that contradict their previously published articles) from getting published. Peer review has nothing to do with whether a paper is right or wrong, Einstein never peer-reviewed. In fact, the one paper he tried to, was denied publication; read his thoughts on the process then look at your LED lights and transistor-packed CPU and tell me with a straight face that peer review matters. Furthermore, peer-reviewed papers don't even mean they can be replicated as sociology journals have shown us. Read about the 2014 Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems test, its a completely arbitrary process.

[@dawsondocuments7203]

@@ExsoLam "MODERN PRACTICES". exactly. Peer review was largely scoffed at until it was codified in the mid 60s. Max Plank and many others laughed at the thought of mid-wits critiquing geniuses....which is exactly what peer review is. Truely smart people aren't going to want to review papers, they are too busy writing them. Peer review drags all these papers into boring, nonpositional, non-revolutionary arguments, and is deeply anti-scientific and clearly an anti-intellectual exercise.

[@matsab7930]

@@dawsondocuments7203 I can tell you’ve never attended university. Nothing get published without proper review by other members in the field. It’s a requirement. I don’t exactly understand your statement about ‘truly smart people’ not wanting to read other people’s academic papers… you realise science is collaborative, right? One of my materials professors is working in conjunction with universities around the world to develop self-healing concrete. His papers are read by anyone interested in the field and peer reviewed rigorously. Ultimately, a scientific paper or scientific research is useless if it can’t be demonstrated to be true..

[@dawsondocuments7203]

​ @Matsab I spent 6 years in a top 20 university studying hard science. My experience was the professors that had the most lunches with editors got the most papers published, and my smartest professors (that had the largest grants and staffs btw) generally published to their websites first, and worried about pre-publication and peer review second. You need to read history and actually understand where we are in that history. Max Plank's journal for instance accepted over 95% of submissions. Many journals continue in this tradition today, and many online networks are available right now that accept every paper after only an editorial review...and these papers DO get cited. The crowd ascertains truth, always has. It's true though, that if you want maximum citation counts (which your professor obviously did because every professor's job depends on that count until tenure), you want the publication in the largest journal with the least number of articles....These are all peer-reviewed. The peer-review process itself gets you more citations because your papers are literally sent to other people who can cite you....and these people have vested interests to be the first ones to cite your work. I encourage you to read the history of these journals, you will find that a significant percentage of them were established by the same guy....and his gimmick, the sales pitch, was peer review. Peer review has nothing to do with science or progress.

[@devalapar7878]

Edward Snowden went through the proper channels. He didn't put it on social media. He gave it to credible journalists.

[@ksilva2848]

Ok the "brrr" censoring is kinda cringe, it sounds like I'm watching a meme video

[@clem7057]

haha editor go brrrr

[@ksilva2848]

@@RealChrisHatch I get the monetization thing mate, and I rather have second of silence than this brrr sfx

[@Ivan-qf4mt]

Well, visit the stream vods if you want the raw footage.

[@Hidin18]

this guy flip flops this talking points mid sentence lol once he is challenged on anything or says he agrees but then say the complete opposite in the next breath

[@joshuawinstead7621]

True, but also Destiny is wrong sometimes. The Wuhan Lab origin absolutely is more accepted than it was before, not that anyone is saying it is true or that the people pushing it before were correct, but media has been pushing it as a possibility recently, and their reasons for why are explicitly said by the scientists here: www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/lab-leak-theory-science-scientists-rcna1191 They were afraid that the possibility of the leak would create a bad rhetoric. But it's all still a mystery with 3 different hypotheses floating around.

[@spht9ng]

@@joshuawinstead7621 But the initial conspiracies about China creating COVID intentionally are still bs

[@joshuawinstead7621]

​@@spht9ng Yeah exactly, but among similar crowds if you pick through the radicals, not everyone was saying something so extreme. Many people were just suggesting that it could've been an unintentional leak of some kind, this started months after the virus, but was shut down by the media because of stupid republican/Trump rhetoric. So people who were not agreeing with Trump but believed there could've been a potential leak were still being called racists/fascists for even suggesting it, until now.

[@joshuawinstead7621]

@@17thwboy I've already addressed the discrepancy between people who believed in a conspiracy vs people who had a reasonable hypothesis if you read my second post. Not everyone suggesting it could've been a lab leak was suggesting it was created in a lab funded by fauci but they got thrown under the bus along with the conspiracy anyway. 6 months ago if I were to post on twitter that, "the wuhan lab in china might be the source of the virus through an accidental leak of some kind," I would've been absolutely vilified and called a racist/nazi/fascist.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

This just seems like a complete strawman. Do you have literally any examples of him doing that in the video?

[@GenshinX]

My problem with his line of thinking falls along here: "There needs to be a discussion", in regards to alternative people looking into things. The problem comes when, even if this was done by other experts with different perspectives; you as the individual (the person who is unsure), does not have the necessary knowledge to know who is right, so what really is the point?

[@sussyamongus6754]

destiny is a sussy baka

[@evolution__snow6784]

Among us

[@pablowall]

Hot take: If u ignore Brett Weinstein on virology, he's actually BASED. The cost benefit analysis says we should vaccinate vs covid... if u don't trust MRNA vaccines, just use a traditional viral vector vaccine like AstraZenica which is only marginally less effective vs covid and much less likely to have unknown long term side effects.

[@gnomechomsky2524]

Shouldn't you first need a REASON to believe MRNA vaccines shouldn't be trusted? Is there any evidence MRNA vaccines shouldn't be trusted, for example "10% of people vaccinated by MRNA vaccines develop diabetes" or something? Anything at all?

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@@gnomechomsky2524 The default assumption for medicine should always be "it's probably dangerous and it doesn't work" unless it proves otherwise. I'd say mRNA vaccines have proven themselves, but you should definitely need a reason to not distrust a treatment.

[@gnomechomsky2524]

@@miguelzavaleta1911 You're missing the point. In your first post you said "if you don't trust MRNA vaccines", my point is "there is absolutely no reason to not trust MRNA vaccines". No one should distrust MRNA vaccines at this point in time because there is absolutely no reason to distrust them.

[@Deadpool-su2po]

@@gnomechomsky2524 I guess he is just offering an alternative for stupid people. Also a lot of places dont have hospitals with capabilites for storage of mRNA vaccines

[@gnomechomsky2524]

@@Deadpool-su2po That's probably true. I'm pretty sure though that at this point every single American 12+ has access to the vaccine, whether it's through a hospital or a pharmacy, etc. I'm also pretty sure the J&J vaccine doesn't need to be stored at super cold temperature like Pfizer and Moderna, so for those in places that don't have cold storage they can just get the J&J. Future generations are going to look at us like "why were you people so fucking stupid, there was a perfectly safe and effective vaccine available but many didn't trust it for the dumbest reasons of all (the vaccine contains microchips so the government can control you?), not only did they just let themselves and others die but they actively spread the virus and kept the pandemic going. What fucking idiots"

[@TraumaGarden]

Not gonna lie, the noise that's used to bleep out his curse words gets really annoying after the first few times, I hope it doesn't last the whole video. Otherwise, great work as usual editor

[@MaraStruckMiko]

There only in the first 2-5 min. Because if the ai hears uncensored insults he could get demonitized on the video

[@Lazzil]

@@MaraStruckMiko Kinda curious about that, actually. Does the bot only pay attention to the first 5 minutes?

[@MaraStruckMiko]

@@Lazzil mhm why most youtubers only censor the first 2- 5 min

[@Lazzil]

@@MaraStruckMiko That'll be good to know if I ever decide to start uploading stuff. Thanks!

[@taurasuzdila]

Feels good to listen to a civil argument where both sides respect each other.

[@taylorjohnson7183]

Scientific community holds itself accountable. It takes a lot of peer review processes to get published, especially in big journals. I would honestly think that the FDA is one of the most impartial authorities as well because their goal is to just make sure things are safe and true. It’s frustrating to say that they aren’t held accountable when there is a fairly large review system in place

[@knarkknarkaren]

Based on what? They let the opium crisis through

[@YO-jv5lj]

Dude contradicted himself 2 mins in if your isolated and not using your immune system then yes it gets weaker

[@Avenger222]

1) G: "Here's something I feel is true" 2) D: "Here's why that's wrong." 3) G: "Yeah, that's true, but what about this." 4) Go back to step 2. What a yikes conversation.

[@ladyvanda]

Destiny’s debates/conversations are so much more interesting with conservatives. He doesn’t just see red and froth at the mouth, he demonstrates his capability for nuanced thinking.

[@BrendanishLeo]

Man, it pisses me off because I remember really liking some of Glinks videos like 6 years ago, like the video about Cjayride was so interesting. A shame to see what he seems like now.

[@Misbeliefz]

He has always been like this. He used to stream WoW pvp and would talk about how Aliens visited the earth and stuff.

[@BrendanishLeo]

@@Misbeliefz jesus christ, really? Musta managed to miss that side of him, a shame he's like that

[@Misbeliefz]

@@BrendanishLeo , yeah, I gave him the evolutionary argument against the existence of Greys or humanlike Aliens and he wasn't buying it.

[@BrendanishLeo]

@@Misbeliefz Damn, that's ass to hear, guess I'll just be happy I dodged that part of his content/wasn't dumb enough to fall down that rabbithole

[@justifano7046]

The general public is really not capable of understanding science

[@X64813]

Within the first 2 minutes of the vid Destiny is wrong lmao.

[@imarock.7662]

I kinda knew something was off about this Glink guy when I saw his vid about Vtubers. Holy shit, was that guy misinformed, and overdramatic.

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

Seeing Destiny get so triggered by stealth champions makes me wanna play league and main one lol

[@deebo429__]

A group of people talking about wrong information will never sus out the truth

[@kemori_]

damn, this guy makes some decent vids, I had no idea he had these tendencies

[@TrentonF505]

Same. I’ve enjoyed his videos but I think he loses some credibility here.

[@jamesfitch8987]

So the virus most likely came from the lab Destiny. This aged very poorly for Destiny

[@PUSB_96]

The UK has one of the best vaccine roll outs

[@peaceandlove1255]

Stagnating a little bit now- young adults aren’t getting it. Can you blame them?

[@shaunsocha421]

@@peaceandlove1255 yes and no. The media misinformation campaign from Rupert Murdoch is definitely to blame though

[@4thzone697]

@@shaunsocha421 that’s actually no where near the case. The AstraZeneca vaccine isn’t authorised for use in young people. Young people are being given Pfizer mainly, but other also. The UK hasn’t got a stockpile of these vaccines, and there’s been manufacturing bottlenecks, so the vaccination rate has dropped. However more vaccine production sites in the UK are steadily coming online for vaccines authorised for use in young people.

[@evelynrobinson3573]

I think Northern Ireland has the highest vaccination rate per capita

[@Kodlaken]

@@4thzone697 "The AstraZeneca vaccine isn’t authorised for use in young people. " Did you mean recommended? I'm 21 and was given AstraZeneca, it is definitely authorized.

[@snowballeffect7812]

To clarify, IgG does generally indicate long-term immunity. If you don't have IgG after an infection, you may be much higher risk at re-infection. We'll have to wait and see how long IgG is produced after infection vs after vaccination. So far, it seems vaccination leads to stronger general long-term immune response.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

Destiny getting mad that Twitch can be invisible gives me life. I LOVE invisible champions.

[@borpie]

I love the music fading away, it's a small thing but nice :)

[@mirootsie1256]

This guy sounds like he's having the world's cringiest audition for the Intellectual Dark Web.

[@PacifistBetaFish]

Institutions: Based Alt media and lazy skepticism: cringe This is the main crux of the argument

[@mathewburr2126]

True independent media is cringe except for David Dpak Pakman host of the David Pakman show

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

10:10 This is very true, to me it feels obvious that people generally prefer comfort to truth.

[@lyonsheart361]

Have an issue with the military mindset you gave around 14:00 mark While yes, for the most part you are right, in the middle of the mission probably isn’t the best time to question to orders, most of the time you should wait til after you carry out a mission to question “why did we do things this way?” Or “maybe we could have done with same goal better a different way” However, just because your in the middle of a mission, doesn’t mean a questionable or unlawful order can’t be given. At which point you should absolutely call that order into question. In fact it’s one of the core Army value of personal courage to stand up for something that you know to be right, even if it’s your command giving you a bad order

[@PunishedHoss]

Also more bass boosted censoring, the audio drop-out censoring is sucks

[@SplashTasty]

I second this!

[@schizophrenic1717]

Take a shot every time a mini earthquake occurs near your ears.

[@snakeEyedPirate]

Got it right in my feeeeeed!

[@CramStoker]

Me too! All I had to do was sub!

[@briangueringer3673]

Ok so destiny says "don't question orders during a war " ok so I guess I shouldn't question the order to drop a MOAB on a daycare . What the fuck lol

[@tom123b]

Actually, low level exposure does build immunity over time, and that's exactly the theory that vaccines were originally developed from... I work with a 3rd-party inventory company where we spend a day in many different department stores scanning barcodes, and none of my co-workers have had Covid symptoms, despite many of them being over 50.

[@damiendiem]

Bad take about lab leak. There was for sure a flip since people were getting banned off platforms initially to now it being the most viable theory

[@LB-mr8qv]

What utility do you get from focusing on the lab leak conspiracy theory?

[@Xuzon]

In the beginning he was arguing that people should have access to all information, fake and true to decide for themselves. By the end he said people are not rational beings.

[@milescox9427]

We were literally doing gain of function research in that Wuhan lab. Also Weinstein never said it was an intentional leak.

[@lukaswithakay]

There’s a wife’s tale that rural kids are healthier than urban kids because they have dirt they can eat 🥴

[@chembabe8264]

I love how the guy reaches the conclusion about alt media and the hype it brings with the GME example.. some dummy feeds the masses some stupid stuff for money... how does he not see that??

[@ephesiangaming2302]

Antibodies are basically just a ledger/tracker for pathogens and they do continue to live in your body after been activated. It would take more then a lifetime for most of your antibodies to disperse, as for things like chicken pox antibodies that have a shorter life span; it takes about 50 years to disperse which is why most humans only get chicken pox once in a lifetime. The reason we don't become immune to some diseases like the flu isn't because we don't have antibodies, its because the disease has adapted and the antibodies we do have don't recognize it. So basically having the vaccine does not make you immune, it just gives your body the information it needs to recognize the strain so it can defend itself better. People should recognize that as well as the potential dangers, for example like you said if you have heart problems you shouldn't be taking the vaccine. I find this whole (Vaccer vs Anti-Vaccer) is just silly, that's the issue with debate its not a conversation for progression its a fight and you must choose a side.

[@ScottKiys]

Destiny has a huge problem with his ethos. He challenges everyone but the authorities when they agree with him, but when one disagrees, he challenges their authority. It's just jedi mind tricks....

[@SnakeTheHat]

can you give an example?

[@ScottKiys]

@@vulcanh254 Yeah, you're right. i think sometimes Destiny has great things to say. But yeah, there are some things that bug me about how he argues.

[@ScottKiys]

@@SnakeTheHat Yes, but I don't work for free....

[@ScottKiys]

@@SnakeTheHat Basically, I meant in general, he should attack the arguments and not where they came from. He says the CDC is the only authority on medicine and wont allow any possibility of an outside entity seeing something the CDC doesn't. Because the CDC happens to agree with him. When the guest (Glink?) says John Stewart is talking about, and lending credence to, the lab leak theory (which was previously flagged as completely fraudulent). Destiny replied with, "John Stewart is not an authority in medicine." No, he IS an authority in journalism. I don't personally like him, but he has a lot of viewers, I think.

[@Voyager205]

wherever destiny shows up, debates are happening. he is literally the DebateMan

[@karatekevlar]

Wait destiny is not right on this lol

[@middeterminist]

Your comment about math being individual focused is not true anymore. That used to be true in the 1800’s, but nowadays, math is very collaborative as well. Sorry I picked that out, otherwise great stuff Destiny

[@midaskeijzer7107]

This, also shoutout to proteus in the chat at 51:40 for saying the same.

[@DominickvdHoff]

I respect the FLCL icon though, that was a great anime

[@Half-timeHero]

I agree that not going outside doesn't weaken your immune system but I'm pretty sure it is true that overprotection throughout your can lead to have a less robust immune system. Things like wiping down every surface you touch with alcohol wipes etc. Obviously not for Covid but for standard run-of-the-mill stuff.

[@gingerlicious3500]

This guys talks about how naive it is to trust institutions, but he puts WAY more blind faith in individuals than I do in institutions, and I'll readily admit I'm an institutionalist.

[@raquetdude]

Should see his comments on Jbp and Joe Rogan as farther like figures man, he ain’t that smart

[@meltedsnowman9637]

That seems like a bit of a strawman. He seemed to be saying that while institutions are important, we shouldn't discount what qualified but independent people have to say entirely if, while they may often agree with what the institutions are saying, what they're saying isn't absolutely 100% in line with the exact line of messaging that the institutions are pushing.

[@0498kizerb]

The problems with Weinstein is that he falls into the ‘celebrity’ of being a well known scientist and everyone assumes that just because you’re smart, you can know and interpret anything (science is very specialized). The correct and non-egotistical thing to do for Weinstein is defer to scientists who actually specialize in said field, but then he wouldn’t make any money through his followers that way

[@jakeb2876]

Is this a Tim Pool clone? Just sounds like an empty headed ideologue “just asking questions “.

[@dylankempthorne]

36:40 He thinks it happened with q anon and then after Destiny tells him he's wrong he says he doesn't know much about q anon. This is the problem with people like this. Talking confidently and spreading information that they don't really know anything about.

[@Raj80191]

It's really disappointing that Glink turned out to be right wing.

[@Dziugenonas]

It's disappointing that people like you judge others based on whether they're right or left wing.

[@sussybaka1095]

@@Dziugenonas except glink is one of those anti-government irrational right-wingers that thinks we live under 1984 without conservatives or the Republicans(in the context of the US) in office. Right-wing is just another opinion, however there are dangers when you lean right in a specific way, and Glink does it in the dangerous way.

[@Dziugenonas]

@@sussybaka1095 Really? Interesting, I've never seen him express such an opinion. And even if he was anti-government, why is that dangerous? Loads of social movements that are seen in positive light by most people are or were anti-government. For example: anti Vietnam war protesters, the hippies, hell, even BLM (though they are quite controversial).

[@sussybaka1095]

@@Dziugenonas these people generally see progressive anti government movements as being pro government instead, since they believe society is dominated by a liberal/left-wing elite. That’s when ridiculous contradictions like calling yourself “libertarian” while flying a Blue Lives Matter flag come in

[@Dziugenonas]

@@sussybaka1095 Right. The world is full of these crazy contradictions. Blue lives matters libertarians, pro-government BLM, socialists with 3 million dollar apartments and so on.

[@sollamander2206]

the currency of the marketplace of ideals is spectacle, not good ideas

[@ohmzlaw1421]

Destint out his mind

[@alkalinkintriopark]

Damn only 4 months ago it 'totally didn't come from a lab' Time flies man

[@Pleasekillmysonsdad]

Glink literally using the cereal defense. "Science, is a liar sometimes".

[@williamstewart7399]

What is the cereal defense?

[@Pleasekillmysonsdad]

@@williamstewart7399 it's an episode of always sunny in Philadelphia. The religious character mac argues evolution is false because "science is a liar sometimes" uses examples of famous historical scientists who were wrong about certain conjectures.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

I don't even agree with Glink but destiny fans such as yourself are so heavily misrepresenting the debate that it's hard to not argue with them. It's ironic that destiny fans are so heavily pushing very blatant misrepresentations and misinformation about the debate in order to make the point that... misinformation is bad. Make it make sense.

[@Pleasekillmysonsdad]

@@meltedsnowman9637 that was a really verbose way of saying "I disagree" without giving any hint of what you disagree with here. Well done.

[@meltedsnowman9637]

@@Pleasekillmysonsdad What's there to disagree with? You're simply making stuff up and pulling stuff out your ass. How can I argue against something where you're just completely making stuff up?

[@everynone1849]

"I'm just asking questions about the prevalent narrative" said the man as he exits through the 10th floor window

[@itr8247]

Glink: balance is good, view both sides. Middle path. Destiny: No, always trust authority.

[@kalopravov]

"Can you name a single alternative media outlet that has the credibility of a university?" Quilette

[@captainmorgan2803]

This guy is a proponent of NOFAP, so lets curb our expectations.

[@justifano7046]

43:30 A good analogy would be saying "dihydrogen monoxide is a deadly chemical that can cause one of the most painful deaths imaginable, and the government wants you to consume it!" If you don't know what dihydrogen monoxide is, it can be very scary.

[@imrippeddude]

@Destiny when are you wrestling around with Samuel today?

[@Ekatkid]

Someone paleeez clip his rant about invisibility in lol

[@kippaseo8027]

Destiny asked why the MR in a scientist didn't follow the proper channels of getting his word out like there is some type of Level playing field and like he wouldn't be censored by the people on the left with the true agenda. Even destiny doesn't believe that and as proof he starts speaking really fast in that really snotty tone. His next tactic will be to start spitting out the big words like a machine gun And then pretend as if he doesn't understand What the other guy is saying so he'll make him dissect every other word and definition. "wait what do you think the difference between Edward snowden and a doctor is?"🙄

[@UnbrokenFire]

I actually disagree with Destiny 100% here.

[@josiahclarke3535]

Man that sucks

[@Juuk-D]

This is why we should bully dumb people.

[@robotsex111]

Good discussion. I liked that guy. Seemed rational and level-headed, just differing perspectives.

[@placeholder6517]

lol