Twitter Fight On Sneako And Fuentes Tweet Turns Into A Surprisingly Good Debate!

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[@LastNightDestiny]

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[@FaerieSidhe]

Islam is a political ideology. Start treating it like that, stop pretending it's anything else. The blind defense of it is a huge part of the problem.

[@JenZee-oe2no]

Islam is a political ideology. Start treating it like that and analyzing how it has affected this.

[@FaerieSidhe]

@@JenZee-oe2no It's far more colonial then "Zionism" and it is not limited to a specific homeland.

[@Benjamin-oq2xz]

“Judiasm is the most violent of the three Abrahamic religions.” What a wild statement.

[@somebody7205]

The hate on the og is wild

[@ivansyomkin2156]

Islam and christianity killed many more times than there are jews overall lmao

[@scaryjoker]

Judaism is the only religion that says it's okay to kill men women infants babies and donkeys. Genocide is kosher. Christianity says jesus said this isnt okay anymore, but war is okay, no killing civilians Islam says war is okay, no killing civilians Umm yeah, Judaism is literally the most violent one.

[@TigerHogan]

He went full fraud mode after Destiny asked him if Islam was a colonizing force 😂🤡

[@JenZee-oe2no]

We have to stop treating Islam like a straight up religion. It's a political ideology.

[@JenZee-oe2no]

He went into a knee jerk, conditioned response that's been drilled into most people at a subliminal level.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Only at every opportunity The book says "we're the best, we should be in charge"

[@thomaskiltie9587]

its about what the people do, not what the book says.

[@JenZee-oe2no]

@@thomaskiltie9587 The people martyr their own. The brag in Arabic about the willingness to sacrifice every last one. While you squall and ball about it.

[@rafisanders]

For the millionth time, during the 1st aliyah in the 1880s. 1.7 million Russian Jews immigrated out of the Russian empire. The vast vast majority of Jews immigrated to America. That's why till this day, you have massive Jewish communities in New York and New Jersey. Only about 45k Jews immigrated to Palestine. Palestinian Arabs, lost their damn mind off of that. The idea that millions of Jews just immigrated in the 80s is a lie. Massive immigration only started in the 1930s with the rise of nazi Germany

[@cristinal919]

This was helpful thank you 💜

[@talsapps]

Really? I was told by the pro palis that the arabs were so welcoming to the jews. What happened? I guess when jews don't respond to massacres it is considered "peaceful times"

[@talsapps]

Really? I was told by the pro palis that the arabs were so welcoming to the jews. What happened? I guess when jews don't respond to massacres it is considered "peaceful times"

[@talsapps]

Really? I was told by the pro palis that the arabs were so welcoming to the jews. What happened? I guess when jews don't respond to ma*s*cres it is considered "peaceful times"

[@michaelh878]

I take it you mean 1800s not 80s

[@Tom-fl8eh]

This dude really said Judaism is more violent than Islam?! LMAO

[@TheSuperXNova]

The religion where you’re supposed to study all day in synagogue 😂😂

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

I will never understand why the far left is so protective of Islam which is the most regressive, conservative, anti gay anti feminist anti everything they stand for religion ever. It's so insane.

[@TigerHogan]

Revealed his entire hand at that moment. Below dirt level “person”

[@x-xPhobia]

​@@TigerHogan meta-dehumanization is how this conflict started. Glad to see you continuing the tradition. Remedial half-wit.

[@x-xPhobia]

It's perfectly possible he meant within this conflict. I'd say within this conflict Zionists have been more violent than the Islamists. If we are talking world wide? Not even close lol.

[@haydn1708]

Hasan: pretends to be confused about being called hateful. Hasan(literally the next sentence): so anyway, Divorcelli- …most self aware Hasan moment.

[@coolroxas]

Hasan is a superfan he's gone so far up the fan path he actively hate watches he's even got the memes down😂😂

[@lucifuss]

honestly its the same reason i became more of a Destiny watcher because Hasan just kept showing weird ugly sides to himself

[@Lackari]

I mean, a lot of us call him HamasAbi.

[@anubis7457]

@@LackariSupporting Hamas is something worth criticizing, to be fair. I don’t think divorce has anything to do with a person’s take on Israel/Palestine. Nor should it really be criticized in general, a LOT of people are divorced nowadays… it’s not like just “bad people” get divorced.

[@davidhoffman2311]

@@Lackari Do you really not understand the difference between making fun of someone for their personal beliefs versus making fun of someone for their personal life, or do I need to explain this to you?

[@zdog058]

throwing around words like "imperializing" "colonizing" just screams "me throw buzzword, me hope they win" god I hate secondaries so much.

[@FaerieSidhe]

Especially when you want to duck and dodge when Islam is pointed out.

[@toddwarner1892]

liberalism 101..

[@matanelsiboni9269]

bro is compering a handful of Jews siding with the Nazis vs the whole Muslim world siding with the Nazis 💀💀

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

An example against you justifies a trend against me.

[@matanelsiboni9269]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor because one side actually worked with the Nazis and train SS soldiers while the other one just wanted to, but didn't end up working with the Nazis, one of the side isn't like the other my friend

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@matanelsiboni9269 I can empathize with traitors who will do anything to spare themselves.

[@nightknght]

a very bad faith discussion. Destiny had to add all the context to the dudes screeds since he came in

[@hermithefrog629]

​@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorand you think admitting that is a w?

[@tman040496tb]

The only reason Jews aren’t feeling the material effects of the colonization of Judah is because they now have a state. The material effects of that colonization was 2000 years of brutal oppression.

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

OH THE IRONY.. ''TO THE VICTOR GO THE SPOILS'' A paradime all nations have lived by in fact its basically human history.... The ideology of the Palestinians ie Islam believes in ''To the victor go the spoils''so much so that its still in Islamic doctrine that the women and female children of their enemies still alive after Battle /war can be enslaved and used as sex slave war booty... And when they loose they play victim my god these dumb liberals haven't got a clue who they have sided with...

[@adambernon6930]

Exactly.

[@yaeli_i_guess]

100%. Jews are bad at playing this "victim" card but no other minority group would be talked about this way if they were almost eradicated less than 100 years ago the same way Jews were.

[@blobbb]

Why does he have such a hard problem admitting how violent Islam is? Its well documented. When it comes to violence Christianity and Judaism aren't comparable to Islam in any way.

[@thebristolbruiser]

I thought they celebrated the fact that Muhammad was a genocidal warlord.

[@fanaticalspud323]

Because modern leftists view all conflicts like this through a very simple lens "is a western/white nation involved? If yes, whatever side theyre involved with, is the bad guys" Easily proven when they're silent on actual genocides, like Burma or Yemen, or the Uyghurs They cannot physically manage to say that brown people are bad too sometimes, I think it will make them genuinely catatonic

[@jogiff]

He came in with the fundamental belief that Zionism is dangerous. He outright admitted it. And he’s decided that Islamists are less dangerous than Zionists.

[@anubis7457]

Ehh… Christianity’s up there. Crusades, witch hunts, book burnings… Judaism’s violence is mostly insular, but baby pp chopping is pretty bad.

[@talsapps]

He is probably one of those students that go on protests in favor of humus. Honestly. The entire western system is built on jewish values. There is a reason it is called "judo-christian values".

[@shawnwinter6273]

This is how I saw this conversation with the guy on the phone: Guy: Israel wanted war like Britain like USA… Destiney: like many arab countries… Guy: I mean I want to give imperialist examples… Destiny: wait are you saying Arab countries weren’t being imperialist? Like Egypt or IRGC are not imperialist? Guy: (not what he said but you can tell what he meant) oh meant only white imperialist… Same thing with racism. This guy thinks Israel is the most racist country to ever exist. Not to think that about 50% of the world’s countries are racist to many of their own people (including many Arab countries) with actual racist laws.

[@PeaceInMidEastPlease]

"Arafat was a freedom fighter, not a terrorist" "But he did the following..." "Israel kidnapped Syrians too" Notice how he just pivoted from Arafat to accusing Israel? I can't think of a reason other than severe bias to have this process.

[@talsapps]

The whole idea that they are freedom fighters is just bs. The only reason there are check points and blockade is because if T in the first place.

[@Gad-yn4xd]

To be clear israel closed the airspace and forced land a plain that breached and released them soon after.

[@PeaceInMidEastPlease]

@@Gad-yn4xd yeah he was obviously misrepresenting the truth, shouldn't surprise anyone.

[@deeznutz8320]

I love how when he does it its a pivot but when Destiny does it its a smart strat LMAO

[@reddillon8425]

think his point there was basically "well look, both sides did terrorist type shit, why are we condemning one side but not the other?" because he came into the debate (he admitted this) thinking Destiny was the true Lion of Zion and that Destiny was going to be completely and totally justifying every one of Israel's actions without a care for accuracy or truth. Probably he came into this thinking he was going to make Destiny see the light and know that Israel isn't perfect, but obviously Destiny never believed that anyway.

[@Tabeezey]

The rest of the conversation aside, claiming that Judaism is a much more violent religion than either Christianity or Islam is an insane statement. You dont live in this reality. How do you even begin to form any kind of coherent views of these religions and their interactions if your view of the history of the world is that far off.

[@hermithefrog629]

He lives in a reality where he needs to support islam. Reality doesn't support him, so he just ignores reality. Unfortunately such delusions don't have immediate consequences.

[@Comisioned]

Judaism mutilates the genitals of kids.

[@reddillon8425]

christianity, judaism and islam are all roughly in line in terms of their fucked up violent aspects but MUSLIMS are more violent than christians or jews, and that's an important distinction to make. Where christians and jews kind of look at the extreme shit and go "Yeah... let's not do that..." muslims follow EVERYTHING their shit says. EVERYTHING.

[@damepenn5483]

This guy was not listening to a word Destiny was saying. He was just looking for all the parts he agrees with to affirm his belief. Destiny is so eager to find a non radical pro palestinian proponent he was letting a lot slide. edit: Destiny pushed back a little more in the end. This guy was trying hard to not say the quiet part out loud, but to just look to get "confirmation".

[@matanelsiboni9269]

very true

[@atlaskinzel6560]

I mean yeah Destiny definitely cozies up to some people and has a higher standard for others. That's just kind of life too though.

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

Lol it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Israel as the globalization supporting, secular (almost anti religious if it wasn't for the abraham accords making everything complicated) and expansionist western monstrosity that it is. Palestinians don't just rightfully deserve "palestine" they deserve ISRAEL/JUDEA/CANAAN because that's THEIR culture, not the culture of some mixed caucasians from around eastern europe and turkey.

[@GeninGeo]

To be fair Destiny wasnt listening to anything he was saying either. This guy has no justification for anything he wants to advocate for but on the other hand destiny's justifcation is we have all come together as ..... which ends up as its wrong because we feel like it.

[@GeninGeo]

on top of being wrong because we as humans dont generally come together to decide things are wrong we are told it by a select few. If you went by what most people think you'd be able to off some one most people think killed your family member.

[@WillyMacShow]

Just finished the video. And people are being way too hard on that guy. This is the first debate I’ve watched on this topic that was possible to follow. People named things. Explained things. Agreed on things. When they disagreed they allowed eachother to speak.

[@CulturalUneducation]

It's wild dude, civilized discussions are frowned upon on this site

[@Gad-yn4xd]

I think he have a lot of bad faith arguments and he’s faculty wrong about a lot of things. For example the ben gvir he is half of a party with 7% approving and the terrorist phone was a huge bashing point against him and no normal party thinks he’s a legitimate partner including a lot of people in the right wing.

[@hata6290]

@@CulturalUneducation surely youre not talking about the babbling baboon that just spouted the same 5 words for two fucking hours right? yeah, what a civilized discussion! where nothing got done...

[@hata6290]

im assuming youre green on this subject, because anyone who knows anything about this conflict should absolutely be mad that this ape spouted bs for two hours straight with destiny just saying "wait you mean this right? okay"

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

For all the anti-Israelis: where's your rage against China for the Uyghurs?

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

For all the anti Chinese where’s your rage against Israel for the Palestinians?

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@Collabcreatemarketing Don't know, I support both. Even a communist is right twice a day.

[@Stumashedpotatoes]

@@Collabcreatemarketing the Uyghurs didn’t attack and kidnap anyone, and israel has never reduced the birth rate or population of the Palestinians. There.

[@Awesomeguy614]

@@Stumashedpotatoes Uighur separatist groups and rogue terrorists have absolutely attacked people. They killed over 200 people, mostly civilians, in 2014 alone which is what precipitated the crackdown. Goes to show you have no idea what you're talking about and only cite Uighurs to browbeat pro-Palestine folks.

[@Awesomeguy614]

China has not reduced the Uyghur population either and the Uyghur birth rate is higher tian the Han birth rate.

[@alexandrabogorad9207]

Whoever that guy calling in was kept saying “obviously” about things that aren’t factual or obvious. Nice tactic tho 👏🏻

[@Stratocaster42]

It's just an annoying filler word like "yknow" or "kinda" or "sorta" but it is worse because of the meaning of the word. If it was so obvious, why are you saying it?

[@Alex_the_Dad]

​@Stratocaster42 I grew up using that roundabout speech because of a bipolar parent, it's incredibly annoying to normal people and actually contributed to me being socially ostracized for a good portion of my teen years lol. People hate when they can't tell if you're sure about something you're saying

[@0scarWalsh]

@@Alex_the_Dad I think it's more that overusing qualifiers like probably, kinda, sorta, etc. comes across as dishonest to most people. Even if it's subconscious, people feel like what you're communicating is that the things you are saying don't exactly match reality, but they're close to it. Why would you choose to communicate something close to the truth, instead of the truth, if not for dishonest purposes? Obviously this comment isn't meant to call you dishonest, it's just me sharing the conclusion I reached from very similar personal experiences.

[@Alex_the_Dad]

@@0scarWalsh oh you hit the nail on the head, I was hard to believe because I'd say exactly what happened but with a sorta or a kinda. Some people understood I was awkward some people would say "this kids full of sh*t". It took me a long time in adolescence to become direct with my speech.

[@aidandoylepolitics]

to people who have a fundamental knowledge of the conflict, everything I said was obvious was fairly obvious.

[@Mike23443]

I liked the part where the guy dismissed everything Destiny said as "theoretical" or "unrealistic" or "not practical" but whenever he was making points it was "in an ideal world", "none of the SCRIPTURE calls for violence". The double standard is off the charts.

[@talsapps]

Thia guy is completely hiding is powerlevel and destiny was letting so kany things slide especially at the beginning.

[@FaerieSidhe]

Islam is inherently colonial. It's a deen, not a religion. It should be analyzed openly. As open to condemnation as Zionism has become.

[@gushkatif6307]

Irgun/Lehi were full of Sephardim/Mizrahim, Likud was one the biggest advocates of Arab Jews that’s why they vote for Likud. Otzma Yehudit is run by an Arab Jew Ben Gvir… this guy has not said a single fact :-/

[@aidandoylepolitics]

Arab israeli* not arab jew

[@tartarus1322]

⁠​⁠@@aidandoylepoliticsmizrahi israeli not Arab Israeli

[@talsapps]

Destiny let him get away with so many misrepresentation especially in the first half of the conversation. And I still don't understand how destiny separates arab pan nationalism from islam, they are intertwined so much, the reason it was important for jewish people to have their own state with control over it is because islamists just can't stop mas*ac*ring jewish villages even during the ottoman empire.

[@yaeli_i_guess]

Exactly. I mention this here often because it's never talked about, but my own grandparents fled Yemen after almost losing their lives the second the king allowed them to leave. My fiancé's grandmother escaped the holocaust in Lybia. Nobody talks about ethnic cleansing and massacres of jews in arab countries despite more jews being ethnically cleansed compared to what happened in the nakba

[@TheAngryCoyote]

Luckily for the Arabs who purged Jews in their countries none of the Jews claim “right of return” for them and all their surviving descendants lol

[@John-bravooo]

And the nakba was totally justified

[@talsapps]

@@yaeli_i_guess sorry to hear about that. My grandparents from my mother's side escaped from iraq with out any of their belongings. And from my dad's side my grandfather from belgium.

[@talsapps]

@@John-bravooo go look up what the original meaning of the term "nekba" means.

[@Ksean29]

Hasan is so obviously a grifter. It’s amazing how far shoulders can get you in life.

[@WhiteMambalmao]

???

[@gastarbeiter8384]

This guy is the biggest grifter in the internet. He is the complete opposite of a real commie.

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

​@@WhiteMambalmaohe got a mad frame bruv

[@kylerBD]

@@WhiteMambalmao Talking about being handsome carrying hamasabis entire life

[@tucci06]

@@WhiteMambalmao Deltoids, specifically how far from each other they are.

[@The_Sau642]

Being Palestinian really started in the late 40s early 50s

[@sutulj]

I love to ask people that think Palestinians are some old nation to name a Palestinian holiday/national day that have anything to do with the land and nothing to do with jews coming to the land😊

[@R2d2..]

True

[@shaggyy-ip5pc]

This doesnt mean Israel deserves statehood just because “The kingdom of Israel” is thousands of years old. No other civilization is guaranteed a modern state, why we should advocate an ethno-state in the 21st century… for justifications that “our people were here first” is extremeley idiotic.

[@hrolfthestrange]

I feel like the caller was only good in that he weirdly would actuvely just cop to being an absolute hypocrite, knowing very little, speaking in meaningless buzzwords, taking things out of context and be very upfront when he would dog whistle insane conspiracies. This guy seemed like hes never had a human convo in his life and didnt realize how he just undermined himself the whole time.

[@talsapps]

For some reason destiny let him get away with a lot of bs.. And gave very little pushback on absurd things. I'm not sure why though.

[@hrolfthestrange]

@@talsapps I looked at the guys page, and it's a little sad seeming, guy seems a little socially off if you get what I mean, so maybe it's that.

[@talsapps]

@@hrolfthestrange all of the sjw crowd purposefully look like that though

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

BASED

[@Majorwindy]

The cry of “anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism” is ringing more hollow every day.

[@talsapps]

If you understand the history of anti zionism advocacy you understand that it stems from anti semitism. People in the west just have less than surface level understanding of most things so they get away with this.

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

TRUE

[@vortex_1336]

Right? He was literally quoting conspiracy theories.

[@Majorwindy]

@@vortex_1336 the fact we’re now having progressives openly say things that defined the alt-right (“the Talmud says non-Jews aren’t even human”) is surreal.

[@nasaten]

I count 3 feds

[@animagamer2]

He's so unironically soy. Every thought he has needs to be put through the liberal moral framework of right and wrong- which is normal and fine. The problem is that all the conclusions generated happen to be whatever is the popular liberal opinion at the time- which is really concerning considering this guy is apparently a philosophy student. Did you really go to college and get a philosophy degree just so you could attempt to justify the beliefs you already find comfortable? Motivated reasoning is one of the ugliest looks on a philosopher IMO. But hey, props where they are due, this guy was good content. I hope he rethinks some of his positions- or at least crafts stronger arguments for them so we can have an exciting round 2.

[@TASTYxxGALOR]

Sometimes when you hear people talk about stuff they actually don't know anything about, especially when it's about an area you are an expert on where you live, it can drive you mad. The assumptions this guy makes about Israeli society is just a fanatical retelling he tells himself that is so far removed from reality. For example, his description of Israeli society is only symbolically democratic in order to pretend to be Western and garner support is truly detached from the way most Israelis actually think and live. Some of the other stuff he said... let's just say it's not a wonder progressive ideology has so many logical holes.

[@jshv73]

It’s insane to me how much difficulty some people have just answering a question directly

[@JenZee-oe2no]

It's usually more telling then whatever they finally get spit out.

[@toddwarner1892]

they cant answer because thy know they are lying... why else?

[@hrolfthestrange]

Super wrong title on this vid, not a good debate, the caller was not aggro but was notably dumber and less informed than 90% of the people destiny has talked to. Also claiming calling australia is a racist country that doesnt even come close to the level of israel is absurd when you remember that australia's constitution actually was intentionally(and in clear document language) crafted to avoid protections based on race/ethnicity because the writers wanted to be free to discriminate againts asians and indigenous people(and thought the US was a joke for court decisions leaning toward race equality). Also repeatedly saying "obviously you know this" before an completely unsubstantiated opinion or an actual false claim is an absurd tactic.

[@talsapps]

He is completely hiding his powerlevel.

[@JustAPriapism]

You say absurd, but this is used in exactly this way or a million other forms of it with literally every single person he talks to. Every thing from "its common sense" to "i only deal in facts" to "you know this is true". The projection from everyone and anyone he has engaged with on the Palestine topic is so surreal I dont understand how they can spit it out with a straight face. Performing the actual "debate pervertry" literally mid sentence while accusing Mr Borreli of being guilty of it. Idk if its just massive dissonance or just complete disengagement with reality or as well planned and executed optics. It all seems to be the same these days. 😢

[@matanelsiboni9269]

bro is calling holocaust refugees colonizers 💀💀

[@dillonblair6491]

It's not mutually exclusive 😂 being unfortunate doesn't exclude you from colonizing

[@Stumashedpotatoes]

@@dillonblair6491 only if your definition of colonialism is a national movement formed by mass migration. Most people think colonialism involves quite a bit more than that…

[@mark-kq7rc]

​@@Stumashedpotatoes Is settler colonialism better description then?

[@matanelsiboni9269]

@@dillonblair6491 bevasue colonizing means an empire coming and taking over an area, not refugees that are feeling because of violence

[@dillonblair6491]

@@Stumashedpotatoes People coming from a motherland to settle a far off land and add it to the scope of their civilization is colonization. By your standard the colonization of the America's wouldn't be colonialism nor would the ancient Greek colonies or liberia

[@Shellybelly778]

Bringing up Monica Lewinsky and Epstein and then say "I dont really believe that" was wild. This guy is bonkers

[@pickledjester]

Didn't even bring up the right woman lol. This guy is bonkers

[@vortex_1336]

He only said that because Destiny started questioning him.

[@Shellybelly778]

​@vortex_1336 That makes no sense. He brought up a conspiracy theory that he admittedly didn't believe because Destiny started it? How Sway?

[@vortex_1336]

@@Shellybelly778 Destiny did not bring up that theory. The guy brought it up and when Destiny started sounding sceptical he suddenly "Didn't believe it anyway." and dropped it.

[@rleeg6744]

The Brits had cops in 1066. We had cops in 1633.

[@Tom-fl8eh]

Shh… Don’t bring facts in to this. We only deal in feels.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

The redcoats didn't have any laws worth enforcing until Americans invented them.

[@liammason327]

​@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor brits invented democracy, America is a bad imitation formed by Europe's religious rejects.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

​@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorMurder is not a law worth enforcing? Now I get why America is so fine with playing IRL Call of Duty all the time.

[@anubis7457]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470Murder was invented in 1763 by John F. Murder as a political statement against the British occupation. Until that point, everyone just got into slap battles and hardly any progress was being made.

[@Mike23443]

I don't think that ten instances of a kind of passage as "If someone slaps you, slap them back." or "if somebody steals, cut off their hand" qualifies as "more violent" in comparison to a singular passage that says "if this guy does not believe in me as the one true god, fucking kill him." As far as I am aware, while Judaism may be a little hardcore with punishments and violence in general, it's usually of the judiciary variety and it applies equally to all subjects, Jewish or otherwise. While in Islam there's a much more clear distinction of us versus them, the believers and the infidels. It is EXTREMELY disingenuous to classify these religions in that order based on the QUANTITY of mentions of violence, and not taking into account the type of violence. It's like you had two states with the exact same population. In state A within a year there had been 100000 cases of minor assault and 10 murders. In state B within a year there had been 10 cases of minor assault and 1000 murders. Which one would you rather live in? Cause "technically" State B is the "less violent" one.

[@talsapps]

The biggest difference between judaism and Islam is that in judaism the laws are decided by the talmud and the talmud is written by scholars and it evolves over time. In Islam you have the word of allah which is interpreted by the hadit and muhammad is the perfect human therefore everything he is is the ideal so you don't have a lot of wiggle room.

[@talsapps]

Especially since muhammad was a pedo conqueror.

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

sooner live next to a Jew than a Muslim

[@themossad]

Dude can’t think straight.

[@jloiben12]

Why do people do this blood and soil schtick when the only thing that matters in these conversations, insofar as we are talking about what to do in the current situation, is what is best for the actual people. What causes them to live their best lives. What causes them to be the most well off. For “the left’s” ability to understand that blood and soil politics is dangerous and not productive, they sure do stan those arguments when it comes to non-western countries

[@dillonblair6491]

Israel is literally based on blood and soil so this argument already doesn't work

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

"What's best" is for both groups to forget the past and live together in peace. Neither group wants that.

[@jloiben12]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Okay..?

[@meganandrickys]

Destiny has said this before even though so much of these debates are just debating basically ancient history that doesn't matter anymore unless you truly think Israel shouldn't exist, is on stolen land, and is run by a society filled with racist and self hating Arab sociopaths. It's absolutely great to know the history of this area but not enough of these convos ever focus on the here and now and or just the last 20 years enough. It's pro Palestine people trying to constantly flex their historical knowledge only to know less than they thought they did.

[@LittleAriel]

Yea, they're the worst. They always supress their chauvinistic impluses, and act as morally higher and more evolved from people with basic natonalist views. Then they hypocritically let all this aggression out as they're larping as warriors for the 'oppressed'... the cognitive dissonance of these people is sickening.

[@springsmart]

"Good debate" yeah right, the only thing good about it is that it's civil, but that actually makes it less of a debate. It's two conversations where Destiny is trying to make it one and the other guest guy is not listening no matter what, and has some big lies in his arguments.

[@Sploberrie]

I'm so confused at the argument of "you can't purchase land and then evict other people who want to be there". Maybe I'm just dumb, but you bought the land??? Its yours????? If they wanna live there then they should buy it back from you, no?

[@danwhythough]

Did this guy directly answer a single question? Every answer was “I’ll say this”…. proceeds to talk about a completely different topic.

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

BAD FAITH AND BIAS TO THE MAX

[@ishan1239]

Listening to this conversation felt like trying to grapple an eel.

[@mauinix4563]

That dude from the debate said so many baseless things, conceded on things over and over, and kept going like nothing ever happened lol. Where is the shame?!

[@voidlover-eu1og]

I think the conflict has always been very religious from the Palestinian side, it's just that most historians do not emphasize it and also there was more arab nationalism than exists now.

[@-paganless-4248]

Does this guy really think Islamic Sharia countries respect international law? Because if they follow Islam they should't!!! Since Islam only respects Shari'a law, both locally and internationally. The only time a Shari'a state would make a treaty with other counties is when it's weak, and cannot invade them. Before his demise, Mohammed revoked all peace treaties he made with non Muslims early on when his state was weaker. This happened in concordance with the revelation of Surah Bara'a (i.e: no deal) the most vio**** Chapter in the Qur'an, and according to most of the well-regarded Sunni scholars, that chapter abrogated all of the earlier peaceful verses in the Qur'an.

[@S-fp7uz]

lol at the dude randomly bringing up and explaining a conspiracy theory about Epstein and Israel for 5 minutes

[@The_Sau642]

There is no Palestinian national identity. Im arabic and we all know this. If you come the westbank you're Jordanian and if you come from Gaza you're Egyptian. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people

[@chihalkaram199864]

So you re a language

[@chihalkaram199864]

Never seen an arab call himself arabic

[@The_Sau642]

@@chihalkaram199864 No my blood. I’m Arabic and I know where my blood line comes from

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

My mom's first husband was a Palestinian Arab back in the 70s (ironically named Hassan). There IS a Palestinian national identity, but it grew in opposition to the state of Israel.

[@The_Sau642]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor So its not a real one? The people you call Palestinian are the settlers. All Arabs come from Arabia before 663 ad there was no arabs in the Levant or North Africa. They Invaded kicked Eastern Romans out and slowly replaced the people in these areas. When People call the " European Jews " settlers its just wrong. Why did Jews end up in Europe?

[@colamity_5000]

Kind of a nitpick, but its incredibly stupid for a phil major to bring up basic Hume stuff as a refutation to Kants system of objective morality when Kant was specifically aiming to construct a system which addressed Humes concerns. You can disagree that Kant succeeded, but merely mentioning the is-ought gap doesnt refute him. His refutation of that problem is baked into the system.

[@LuciusSicarius]

That guy was one of the better pro-Palestine people, but man just like the rest he is infinitely more charitable to the Palestinians than the Israelis. Felt like the dude kept assigning a lot of malice to Israeli intentions or their feelings towards Palestinians.

[@matthewepshtein9026]

He sounds better to you because he throws out buzzwords well but he really has no clue what he's talking about

[@somedogsarecops2354]

This guy was one right turn away from being groyper lol.

[@bladddeesa]

I might just be schizoing hard here, but there were some things he said that were very groypesque, and some of his speech cadence too.

[@TheBloch007]

How is this a good debate haha. This kid is throwing Marx buzzwords in every second sentence 🤣

[@dillonblair6491]

The fact you guys are attacking him and not any arguments means he got yall

[@TheBloch007]

@@dillonblair6491 Destiny argued for me bro. He only had 1 point "bUt cOlOnIzErS"

[@dillonblair6491]

@@TheBloch007 No, he argued that Israel discrimates against non whites (arabs), that they have a right wing extremist government, that Israeli actions led to hamas, that Israel is expansionist, that Israel violates international law, that Israel only wants an ethnostate where they maintain an ethnic majority, etc. He struck a nerve because you can't even describe the argument because you're seething over Israel criticism

[@TheBloch007]

@@dillonblair6491 I think Destiny dismantled every argument easily, since they were pretty weak and mostly feeling based

[@dillonblair6491]

@@TheBloch007 OK Firstly we went from "he had no arguments but muh colony" to "Yeah he made several arguments but destiny debunked it!" But anyways all of Destiny's points were more feelings based. Like when he says "well muh Israel has to deal with REAL consequences" is such a feelings based argument. By every quantifiable metric Palestine has dealt with more consequences than Israel. But since Israel is getting more criticism in the west right now, he feels like Israel has to bear all of the consequences 😂 Ironically Hamas has actually been forced to deal with political realities more than Israel. They released the manifesto where they described Israel as racist colonizers to appeal to non whites and leftists in the west and in Africa/Latin America, they removed the "kill all J3ws" thing from the manifesto to moderate their image, and they purposely put deals knowing Israel would refuse to make themselves appear as good faith actors. Israel and its diplomats, according to our own state department, is completely oblivious to the "generational damage they're doing to their reputation" Israel hasn't done anything to improve its relations or reputation and its just radicalized itself and pushed further into Gaza and with the settlements of the west Bank

[@mrbald9537]

Destiny had to correct this guy so many times

[@Jobe-13]

I think this debate appeared from nowhere and was unprovoked.

[@ov959]

And it violated the intelligence and the right of the this audience to not indure stupidity.

[@thebtcnt]

To be fair, this debate didn't happen in a vacuum.

[@Alex-cl9zi]

Funny how every counter point to the other guy's argument was 'irrelevant'. How convenient for him.

[@RayearthIX]

When the guy said, paraphrasing, "There's an argument to be made that freedom fighters never commit terrorism" anyone listening immediately knew that this was not going to be a good faith discussion. Geez... And then he justifies the nearly 2 dozen attacks/hijackings/bombings of civilian airplanes by pro-Palestinian forces by stating "Israel did that once too!" ... ... Ah, and of course whenever Destiny points out a factual error her has, he immediately says "well I don't want to talk about that, what do you say in response to this other subject so we don't need to engage with what you just said."

[@eneph7941]

"Hathon." 5:47

[@sonny--]

happened the second i read your comment

[@ordro107]

When Israelis like me hear two Americans discuss our history it litteraly sounds like Phoebe from Friends and Kelso from That 70s show attempting to crack Astrophysics

[@elbryanto]

Such slimy wiggy “liberal” behavior, kudos Destiny for being so patient.

[@TheFatAssCat]

I love people who stand for nothing when pushed. His response to learning Destiny read his tweet summarizes his lack of a spine nicely.

[@The_Sau642]

Palestinians in the west bank or Jordanians. They are the same there is no differences

[@matthewsteele99]

8:55 Lehi broke off over the Irgun/Etzel wanting to align with Britain

[@Gad-yn4xd]

And the nazi mufti was in Berlin for the most of the war, was on the payroll and helped recruit around 600K Muslims mainly from the Balkan. But details who cares.

[@matthewsteele99]

@@Gad-yn4xd Yup Lehi was also a fringe group

[@ycatthebrave]

"im not going to condem (a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p)....but im going to condemn zionism" holy fuck

[@bismillah5060]

Hasan in evil

[@djbloo8996]

Hamas the baby was a settler jdam Piker

[@TurtleChad1]

He's not the one defending a current ethnic cleansing

[@7hawn987]

nah

[@djbloo8996]

Hamas Piker!

[@meteorwalkergg]

​​​@@TurtleChad1 Hasan directly profits from propaganda discouraging & deflecting from refugee status + sanctuary city relocation policies/programs as much as possible. Because he cares about ethnic nationalism + land ownership but doesn't care about saving human lives. So, sure, he does SUPPORT the current ethnic cleansing! Or he'd have already prioritized human lives over Israel owning some land / Hamas' ethno-nationalism. He's had plenty of power & opportunity to change his mind since Oct 7 so I'm pretty sure he's just a straight up fascist. With friends like illiberals, who needs enemies?

[@JBHACKSAW]

Haganah was literally formed in response to the hebron massacre of 1929. The zionists were always trying to dominate ever since 1900s but the way they did it and even whether they could do it always directly reflected how the arabs decided to act.

[@iventhompson2443]

My great grandpa helped smuggle in weapons in 48. We wouldn't have survived had that not happen

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

GOD BLESS HIM

[@iventhompson2443]

@@KennyEvans-eg1lw Baruch HaShem

[@rharcus]

@1hr20 buddy says the difference is Palestinians haven't spread all over the world and are living essentially under Israel's thumb - but, if he looked that up, he'd find about 1/2 (7mil) Palestinians actually do live as diaspora in other countries. That's pretty significant, and makes his point meaningless when trying to define the difference between the Israelies and Palestinians and 'colonization'.

[@Redyqar]

>Turns Into A Surprisingly Good Debate This is bait, dude ran away from any any all points of contention.

[@Zurdosuave]

The Hassan/Destiny reunion arch is going to be epic, and yes, those two will be fucking lol 😂

[@unclebobboomergames]

And after all this time hasan it catching. Cant be any other way

[@vortex_1336]

How is buying land in another country and living there wrong? Weird how these guys turn anti-immigrant and back again on the drop of a dime.

[@IZhe4REAL]

Video just came out and I already finished it. EZ

[@ezaf5989]

You are a grown man subscribed to anime channels nothing about your life is ez

[@TheQuesadillaMan]

Wow big man over here watching at 2x speed. No need to flex.

[@Wheatthin21]

@@TheQuesadillaMani watch at 3x speed, get on my level kiddo

[@jasonsmith-wd2hh]

You cant really colonize a place where your people are historically from, and you have people still there. And that it was basically a noans land

[@journeymanmw]

I wish u would highlight somehow whoeverh the fck is speaking with Destiny at any point in time! Please

[@calebloveshockey]

Maybe I'm just brain broken, but after roughly the first hour I feel like this guy is actually extremely, extremely bad faith. He seemed super reasonable at first, but then I realized he just uses weasel language the entire time, acting like he's giving concessions, but I'm convinced he's being very calculated and merely wants to sound reasonable. He almost never actually answered questions, constantly yapping and redirecting to unrelated narrative talking points, and purposely deflecting the conversation away from Destiny's direct questions/arguments. Notice how many times he says "but that's irrelevant to my point" in response to Destiny pointing out factual or logical errors, when it absolutely was relevant to his point. For example, there was this back and forth near the end: "Judaism is the most violent religion because of how often it is mentioned in their religious text" "I don't care about the number of mentions in the text, I care about real world violence like caliphates" "Well if you cite Islam as the reason for opposition to an Israeli state, it does not make sense." "I didn't do that, I was responding to your point about Judaism being the most violent religion" "Guys, guys don't cancel me, I don't think Judaism is super violent or anything (but I still think it's the most violent), but AGAIN it's not relevant to the conversation. But I don't like it when people say Islam is violent, because I think Judaism is the most violent because it has the most references to violence in their religious text." "We're playing so many games: References to violence don't matter, no one cares. We're not talking about references, we're talking about practicing of the religion." "It's not just talking about violence, its like justifying violence. AGAIN I don't want to get into this conversation because I don't think it's relevant, right?" If it wasn't relevant to the conversation... then why did you bring it up? And he doesn't respond to any of Destiny's arguments about his claim, just keeps repeating the exact same claim over and over again? His talking points are almost like non-sequiturs, so either this guy is purposely trying to manipulate the conversation, or he is just truly retarded and can't follow a basic back and forth. I think the former. Came across heavily like he just wanted to yap under the guise of genuine discussion.

[@fijiroll]

actually a pretty productive conversation so far

[@fijiroll]

spoke to soon he started going in circles but was cordial and willing to speak so that was nice

[@tyconnolly]

It’s because being stubborn and right is the proper way to be being stubborn and wrong is improper when you actually know the facts sticking to them is exactly what you should always do that’s why other people claim people who know the facts are stubborn because they’d rather be able to just change those facts

[@yasserarguelles6117]

4 views... 8 seconds? you already know

[@ojasgadre2272]

Fax fell off

[@ghostrecon3834]

This meme has been cringe for awhile now. Sigh.

[@GBGB000]

This dude is a straight-up liar. Israel didn't "hijack" a Syrian plane. They closed their airspace to Syrian aircraft because they were at war. When a small plane with 4 passengers crossed into Israeli airspace, they forced it to land, questioned the crew, and released them soon after.

[@ShatteredDawn17]

D really handled this conversation well. As annoying as this guy calling every counter point “irrelevant” he did concede a lot of critical points. Followed by padding with him repeating himself, but big concessions regardless

[@dillonblair6491]

Destiny kept bringing up irrelevant things 😂

[@nomniguerre]

@@dillonblair6491 did he though? can you provide the timestamp(s) for when he brought up "irrelevant things" to the conversation?

[@dillonblair6491]

@@nomniguerre I don't have the specific timestamp because I'm not going to rewatch a 2 hour video just for you to disagree anyways but he did say things like "what Is Israel a colony of?" And "He didn't use the term ethnic cleansing because that term didn't exist at the time" Both of which are irrelevant points. Any honest or well read person would acknowledge Israel was colonized by the European jews after ww2. It wasn't a single country but that's not what colonization even means. And secondly, that's irrelevant that the term ethnic cleansing didn't exist when the guy being quoted described ethnic cleansing. Just because he didn't have the specific term, doesn't mean the phenomenon itself didn't exist

[@webdesigntutz]

@@dillonblair6491typical pathetic know it all with nothing 😂

[@ShatteredDawn17]

@@dillonblair6491 wrong. He’s not saying because ethnic cleansing wasn’t a terminology at the time, that it didn’t exist. If you actually listen to his argument he’s saying that in the framework the world was under during that time, ethnic cleansing wasn’t as normative loaded as it is today; it was just the way of the world and something the powers that be in the Middle East practiced as well. That’s how Jews were ousted from the land before Palestine was even a thing. That’s how the Ottoman Empire moved large swaths of people when they were in power. That’s why it was ridiculous that the guest had a hard time admitting the surrounding Arab states were also guilty for their imperialist/colonialist agendas; if you’re going to condemn any movement of people from land before/during/after armed conflict, get ready to condemn literally every major actor in the region at the time. Just because the Arab states failed at doing so in the end, doesn’t change the context and normalization of what happened in the past. Retroactively applying a modern lens is something both Destiny and the guest agreed to, only one applies that consistently in this convo and it wasn’t the guest.

[@marksmanmerc1]

The guy started out reasonable and completely went mask off at the end. Guy's insane but at least he's civil and coherent during conversation, didn't just screech like everyone else.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Last time I was this early to a Destiny drop, Kefalls could still pee sitting down.

[@mindlander]

She still can.

[@tezwah5651]

Oh damn both these comments got me. Have to make new coffee now

[@TheJandRReptiles]

I lost respect for other dude when he started jumping around the topics to justify his points. A lot of "yes, but no"

[@chubbycakes6145]

1 view….Impressive

[@RonMi95]

The whole problem is the Palestinians unwillingness to peace. The Palestinians/Arabs need to arrive at three fundamental convictions for the Israel-Palestine conflict to get solved: 1. We recognize the equal right of the Jewish people to self-determination in their historical homeland in Israel. 2. We aspire to create a Palestinian state neighbouring and not instead of the Jewish state. 3. We recognize that we are not refugees and that we do not have a right of return to Israel.

[@mrsquirrelmrsrabbot8430]

Destiny spent more time with Sneako & Fuentes than he did his own son in FY23 🤓

[@anap1680]

He spent even more time with your mom

[@mindlander]

You're both right.

[@David-nf4nj]

He forgot to call his beard "professor" this time

[@TurtleChad1]

So people who have never lived here decided that they are owed this land from an ancient heritage and the people who have been there for generations are trespassing on ancestral land and need to be kicked out?

[@jd8184]

Uh actually I was there. They got the pass from me

[@aaronsaada9878]

Need to be kicked out? Who started the 1948 war? And you know Jews were already there as well right?

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Believe it or not, multiple groups can all come from the same place.

[@ezaf5989]

0iq terminally online turtle strikes again

[@bazooka712]

if (Math.random() < 0.5) console.log("pro israel opinion") else console.log("pro palestine opinion") this fucking guy

[@ycatthebrave]

"thats irrelevant" "but thats a hypothetical" "but that didnt happen" and yet.... "Sure Israel was being attacked and took land as a result, but they would have done it anyway even if they werent attacked!"

[@highdesertbiker]

Destiny is obsessed with Hasan's opinion...who cares

[@atetraxx]

I mean he was watching a clip of Hasan talk about him. Wouldn't you?

[@cradio52]

I mean he is the largest political streamer so having some counterpoints to his bullshit is pretty important

[@Inflorescensse]

Ah, at 65.00min he discovered moral relativism literally yesterday. This explains everything.

[@damadkollector]

Lol did not expect to hear Wendi debate Destiny 😂

[@JBHACKSAW]

This dude does not have a completely well thought out morality for this situation. He seems to have stopped trying at a half baked one sided position.

[@talsapps]

I thought that destiny agreed that the blame rests on the palestinians for rejecting peace, why did he agree that humus has s good reason to fight?

[@VargasElMusico]

I'm glad for this conversation.

[@13shadowwolf]

Hasan is about as honest as Alex Jones.

[@devinarsenault01]

my favorite part was any point that made arabs look bad was irrelevant

[@javi10ify]

this is a great video, little sad that it wasnt main chanel since the discussion is going so well. Though Im only mid way through the video.

[@AkZeal76]

its amazing this guy thinks he's a lefty and every point he has in a common Nazi talking point

[@mr1nyc]

More tangents than a trig class

[@torstengang5521]

Hitting someone is wrong... You have to doubt each moral process ad infinitum... This is the type of debate that needs to be had face to face so that when someone says hitting someone is wrong you can offer to do a physical demonstration...

[@xxDev5000xx]

Drip lord arc interesting

[@gal.h.musicstuff1209]

As an israeli i have to say thos guy had some interesting points, not necessarily agree, but sure there are some points that makes me ponder.

[@yaeli_i_guess]

Like what lmao he was wrong on so many things

[@Gad-yn4xd]

IMO a lot of them are in bad faith and factually wrong but to etch is own.

[@karatefylla]

The wise Drunken rambler.

[@limitedhangoutlive]

I'm just so sick of listening to people talk forever and say absolutely nothing.

[@dagarbos]

1:09:46 here's the parts of the constellation reinforcing each other

[@TheRightTrackPod]

This guy is incredibly bad faith.

[@Randomize12345666]

1:56:00 "Jewish countries have done the same thing" Yes, all the Jewish countries in history

[@JT-yx7vf]

USA now? Britain when it was colonizing?