Destiny's HEATED Debate On Breaking Points

[@LastNightDestiny]

"Destiny Lies About AJW" Reacting To AJW's Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3rcpGONn5eenrM

[@XxNZxXDivisionary]

AJW the Lazy Gardener

[@danielalbornoz9081]

Im pretty sure in the Valentines day video for rocket making he uses straight valentines day chocolate kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmS3oYOFe5t7Y6c in one of the tests .It was the worst one and didn't launch a rocket but was him just melting the chocolate and adding the nitrate. It did ignite, But I'm sure even if you did find a video showing some wired obscure science fact, Lycan would just ask if youve calculated the 'Truck Loads' of cookies entering Gaza and is there enough to launch rockets.

[@RobertZemeckis2025]

hummus is worst

[@daerandir1459]

The fact that BP let Omar have a prepared clip of Destiny is still absolutely wild to me. Never seen that in a debate.

[@famalam943]

The whole thing was from the angle of “let’s get destiny”. You know kystal behind the scenes was loving it

[@MrChaosi]

@@famalam943 and they sure fucking got that little cookies are bombs gremelin didnt thay? :D

[@empiregeof]

leveling the playingfield.

[@delaseoul87]

BP is pretty vehemently anti-Israeli

[@DrStrangelove_]

This time next year omar and friends will start saying oct 7th was peacful protest.

[@chrisbartolini1508]

Hey now, that’s not entirely true. It was mostly peaceful.

[@UnifiedaxxS]

It was inevitable

[@72_archetypist]

Hamas falls under the Genocidal Rapist archetype while Israel is the Subjugator archetype. Hamas apologists believe Israel is the Genocidal Rapist and Hamas is the Reclaimer archetype. The Reclaimer and Subjugator are the same exact archetype, with the former being in an underdog position.

[@Supergforce777]

Unironically in two years they will

[@mosbar1671]

they will say "Israel started a war on Gaza on Oct 8 and genocide executed 30k hospitalized civilians half of which were innocent children. And that didn't start there. Israel killed peaceful Palestinians and been taking their land the whole 100 years before that."

[@donniejefferson9554]

It is absolutely wild how much more fair Fresh and Fit were as moderators for an Israel Pakestine debate than these two were. How embarrassing

[@PigPissBeUponThem]

Even I was like holy shit what a off character event for FnF

[@jaiden3473]

Idk why but the name pakestein just makes me laugh

[@PigPissBeUponThem]

@@jaiden3473 two similar Islamist shitholes it’s close enough XD

[@tiggerbane4325]

Ehh not really I don’t think they had any horse in that race whereas these moderators do.

[@pocketmon4509]

From someone who has watched the show. Not as a hater, they always been pretty fair

[@Okiwan3]

Someone needs to teach Omar that labeling an argument a talking point does nothing to actually counter that argument. The amount of times he pulled that move and then proceeded to not engage at all with the substance of the question was wild.

[@tafferski]

He usually does not engage. People like him are unable to actually debate because they have never even tried to play devil's advocate for the other side.

[@tonybablony2041]

That’s how these people are, they load their statements to hell and think that’s an argument, damn it irritates me like no other lol

[@kassa.3345]

Destiny has called things talking points as an argument for years now, relax

[@jasongermon9450]

@@tafferskivery true. They are so deep into the victim mindset they cannot take a step back and consider a logical opposition to their arguments.

[@DavidJones-ot8qu]

@@kassa.3345 Saying “talking point” is fine, but using that as an argument is not. I’ve never seen Destiny write off a point as a talking point and then not refute it

[@pjrobs5551]

The way Omar incessantly interrupted Destiny whenever he’d try to talk, but then the one time Destiny went to interrupt Omar both Omar and Ryan acting appalled that Destiny dare interrupt. Just shameless behavior. And how Destiny would answer every question Omar asked him, yet Omar would sidestep answering anything asked by Destiny. It’s not even like Omar gave non-answers, he just ignored the question and started rambling on some other point

[@blobbb]

They even tried to justify it in their post-debate video!! Ryan is shameless!

[@peterranney9488]

The problem with conversations like this is that both sides are setting the moral bar in very very different places and in very very different ways, so they are bringing up facts that would be persuasive to people who have a similar moral framework but they can't really engage someone who has a very different moral framework.

[@bigboy2217]

@@peterranney9488 that’s far too intellectual an explanation. I promise you the disagreements are not this abstract. People are tribal, emotional, and captured by their audiences. They’d argue over a dinner order if they somehow thought the discussion was political.

[@limitbreak2966]

That’s how it goes sadly

[@BlackBeltMonkeySong]

Yes it's shameless, but Omar doesn't know he's doing it. He really thinks he's the one being talked over, and Destiny simply isn't listening. After all, by his own lights, Omar is 100% right, and Destiny disagrees with him, so OBVIOUSLY Destiny isn't listening. The problem here is that most people aren't aware that they actually believe things. We think we have a line to objective reality, and those who disagree with us simply don't have the facts.

[@2lostbikes]

55:47 "How can he just snowboard over the entire mountain of shit I just said?" 💀 Destiny comes up with the most colorful language when he's calling out Omar's obfuscation.

[@1984isnotamanual]

He’s spitting words like Charles Dickens huh? 😂

[@ignotuscapillary8313]

Destiny did a pretty good job in this 2v1.

[@TheIsraelProphetess]

3 v 1

[@2lostbikes]

I watched this on the Breaking Points channel and afterward, I was legitimacy surprised that Ryan Grim was trying to say he was being a moderator. Did he take moderator lessons from Prime or something? 💀

[@famalam943]

Not only that they had clips of him prepped. The whole thing was ‘let’s get destiny’

[@AReallyCoolDudey]

@@TheIsraelProphetess nah the lady never really tried to make points against destiny like that ryan guy did, she asked pointed and clarifying questions to both destiny and omar at different times

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

@@TheIsraelProphetess Emily actually won the debate with her genuine laughs after Destiny's comebacks lol

[@chuckecheese5251]

I was surprised that this debate had two moderators but I'm more surprised that the two moderators are essentially participants for one side

[@Mart-Bro]

I think it's a really good format

[@NugKnights]

Only way to make it fair. As none of the pro Palestinians ever seem to know any facts about what they are talking about.

[@michaszulc2418]

the girl wasn't as bad, it was like 2 bad cops, 1 good cop vs destiny being innocent suspect lmao

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

BOOM!!! Spot on

[@rogueoverton]

I was just about to say this. Ryan clearly has strong opinions and was basically a back-up to Omar.

[@blakesnyder123]

This was essentially everyone vs destiny.

[@tafferski]

And he still wiped the floor with them.

[@MrWolfy08]

To be fair, Emily did a good job.

[@Classikh]

Usually true when Destiny speaks on Israel/Palestine

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

Emily was very fair to him

[@vyvianalcott1681]

@Dm-lx1jt If you think anyone won or lost you don't understand anything that happened. However he does need to learn to control conversations better, Ben Shapiro is absolutely incredible at controlling conversations and if Destiny could figure out how to do that too he'd have his own media empire by now.

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

I agree Destiny needs to be more aggressive in calling debate opponents out, but he also needs to be defensive against the interruptions cause it was so annoying when Destiny would give into letting Omar finish his yap but then Omar wouldn't do the same

[@GingerDrums]

To me it makes Destiny come across as more adult, but that is counteracted by his teenager wardrobe and shuffling around.

[@Supergforce777]

Nothing attacks Omar’s arguments more than his behavior

[@vyvianalcott1681]

All he needs to do is watch a fuckton of Ben Shapiro and figure out how that dude is so incredible at controlling conversations. If he could assert more control over the conversation, which does NOT mean being aggressive or domineering, he would be unstoppable.

[@bigboy2217]

@@vyvianalcott1681 I saw you comment this multiple times. This just isn’t true. Ben has had many embarrassing public showings, he controls an audience when he has a podium and is on a stage and his opposition is a 19 year old. I don’t think Ben is bad at debating, he’s reasonably good. But he’s not better at controlling discussions than destiny. The biggest and most important element for destiny currently that he is leveraging is civility. He’s fighting an uphill battle to earn credibility in new markets, whether that is the anti establishment left, the media on the right, daily wire to twitter spaces. He’s got a lot of practice learning how to navigate these topics in a way that he can parlay into future discussions with adjacent figures/platforms that Ben never did. Ben avoids debates in most contexts and didn’t have to do confrontational discussions with multiple groups to build rapport. He built a brand and then his large brand gives him a free pass to be aggressive knowing that he can just pander to what his crowd wants in any discussion. Fundamentally different games being played.

[@vyvianalcott1681]

@@bigboy2217 I'm open to the idea that I'm just being taken by tricks but I don't watch any of Shapiros conversations with college students, I can't think of anything more boring than talking to children. His conversations with peers are much more interesting, and in his conversation with Destiny he very masterfully moved the conversation away from his weak points that Destiny brought up and they were never addressed again. I respect your opinion and how well you articulated it, however I don't agree in the slightest. Can't wait for the next conversation between them anyway though.

[@korithex]

why isn’t this on the main channel? Destiny performed pretty well here

[@chrisjohnson2065]

Maybe some stipulation he has for being on their show?🤷‍♂️

[@Tiko21212]

Destiny doesnt want to upload videos on his main channel where the majority is non reaction. The debate was 2 hours, and this video was 2.5 hours. So it makes sense to post it to his second channel

[@MrMango331]

This is his react channel or just other livestream stuff that doesn't fit in his "debate" or "drama" main channell

[@happyrey9119]

he said on the video on the main channel that the whole debate was pay walled. idk if he want to take away any of the pull the channel would have for the debate and the revenue.

[@vortex_1336]

​@@happyrey9119He was wrong. It wasn't paywalled.

[@dannylammy]

I agree with Destiny's more aggressive stance. IMHO he'll have to be careful, if he's factually incorrect it'll look really bad, but when he IS correct and forces concession it looks SO good. It'll force listeners to confront something that may be incorrect via their debator. This strategy forces people to confront inaccuracies and doesn't allow them to simply shriek away from inconveient truths and conveniently forget them.

[@joea867]

I think if we’re speaking purely in terms of winning on facts that will work. However, this is a highly emotional conflict and pairing that with an aggressive debate style won’t appeal to a large portion of people. Most people don’t have large attention spans. If you ignore both Omar and destiny, Omar’s tone sounds more appealing.

[@rocketrelm1125]

@@joea867 The issue is that while yes, the fact is that most people decide things based solely on emotions, the people who are braindead populist and go along with their propaganda will *always* side with them regardless of literally anything Destiny does. It doesn't matter if Omar sounds 'more appealing' or not, as long as there is literally anything to cling to, real or not, they can't be convinced. So convince the people who have the capacity to *be* convinced.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

I agree and I think he needs to bulldog more. He needs to stop letting people slide away and really pin them down and make them either answer or make it obvious that they won't.

[@roymarshall_]

@@joea867 every conflict is highly emotional. The facts don't change because of that. Omar does not sound more appealing.

[@jedediahjehoshaphat]

Yesterday Twitter was saying Destiny got dunked in the debate but when you looked closer, none of them specified which specific arguments but resorted to ad hominems and name calling. Sad.

[@TheStatisticalPizza]

The only real refutation Destiny gave was regarding the civilian death ratio but even that was off because Destiny is comparing Israel to conflicts from nearly a century ago. If you look at modern conflicts involving developed countries Israel is absolutely one of the worst, the US had a better ratio in the entirety of post 9/11 Iraq. Destiny was wrong about the blockade - Israel didn't ban cookies because of sugar, raw sugar itself was never a banned import for Gaza so that makes not an ounce of sense and doesn't explain why they would prohibit toys, mattresses, shoes, and about a million other things that have no logical explanation for being banned. Hamas did use sugar for rockets, but the bans had nothing to do with that given that they had easy access to raw sugar the entire time. If you think he won this debate it's because you're biased for your favorite streamer.

[@comicsans6487]

Bro the cookie missiles stuff was so dumb, Destiny fell off.

[@LuciusSicarius]

It was the same with the Finkelstein debate. Everyone keeps going on and on about how out of place Destiny was, and how Finkelstein made him him look like a fool, but nobody will actually give an example other than Finkelstein called him a moron or kept getting his name wrong. Fucking owned.

[@ryzikx]

@@comicsans6487 qassam rockets

[@JesusChristsDick]

@@TheStatisticalPizzaIf Israel puts a limit to how much sugar they allow into Gaza, it’s not hard to understand why only raw sugar would be allowed in since it is a more versatile raw ingredient. Keep playing dumb though. It looks good on you 👍🏻

[@Barbie-K-W]

This is soooo frustrating. WHY do they refuse to counter your points!! Over and over and over and over... This mindless repeating of nothing burger replies and cringe fact-less emotional appeals are driving me insane. The projection is SHAMELESS. Destiny slayed this debate but damn. It would have been nice to engage with SOME substance along the way. WTactualF??

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

It’s kinda Destiny’s fault for not pressing it on them

[@Dror872]

I think any point Destiny makes should be formed as a question, so that the other side will have to acknowledge if factually correct or not. Omar's "I don't know" about H*mas fighting in civilian clothes exposed him more than anything.

[@vyvianalcott1681]

It's not as simple as that, when you ask questions you give them an opportunity to pivot. The questions have to be very tailored to elicit the response you want, you can't just ask "Do you acknowledge X?" there's a good degree more subtlety required to force people into owning bad positions.

[@johntheidiot9046]

​@@vyvianalcott1681"When you're done, I'm gonna ask the same question until you answer it"

[@vyvianalcott1681]

@@johntheidiot9046 While that does make them look bad to neutral observers, it's not really that effective at getting them to own a position or actually answer the question.

[@chuckecheese5251]

Sagar hiding this debate out lol

[@le832]

He doesn’t want any part of it or he’ll have to deal with the wrath of Krystal Ball

[@James-yi1vk]

Well Sagar and Krstal are business partners, while simultaneously Krystal's husband having business involvement too. So Sagar can't go against Krystal like that. Bad for Sagar's job.

[@Classikh]

Saagar running

[@mofishin2648]

After Saagars embarrassing opinion on Destiny a few days earlier he had to watch in the cukcorner while Destiny set fire to his whole phony "network".

[@mofishin2648]

By the way, Saggy and Krystal doing a smear job against Destiny while refusing to actually engage with him is essentially the same critique they always use against the "legacy media". They have been exposed as grifters!

[@ten4l]

"Slow motion going the opposite way, is that like when you go faster than light and you go backwards through time?" 37:14 Sorry, I refuse to be convinced otherwise, this was the best line in the debate. I was shocked by how dumb the "slow motion" statement was and Destiny delivered immediately afterwards without skipping a beat.

[@aarikk]

So slow that the population grows... It's amazing what people say to support their dumb ideas.

[@KmanRealm]

Watching Omar squirm around answering simple questions, and the hosts slowly realizing it, was the best part of this debate.

[@TheOldGuest]

My favourite part was Destiny talking about cookie rockets and then scrambling around after he realised how ridiculous he sounded.

[@adididavidi6185]

​@@TheOldGuestthat's literally real lmao

[@Ill_drink_to_that]

Destiny was the one that squirmed. It got old watching Destiny interrupt Omar sooooo many times, and then have the nerve to say that Omar isn't answering the question? Debate drugs are bad.

[@dylanshandley1246]

@@TheOldGuesthuh? Making sugar rockets in your backyard is how a lot of people get into amateur rocketry as a hobby. If it works at a small scale, why wouldn’t it work on a larger scale?

[@zaak123able]

@@TheOldGuestThey are called Qassam rockets, Hamas make them using sugar, potassium nitrate (common fertiliser) and a simple metal shell. They have been using them since at least 2001, but obviously regularly since 2005, hence the blockade!

[@ErathornIx]

The point that came up about "can you just drop your guns and run" is actually worse than that. Omar was actually trying to say "as long as they don't have guns that can't be shot at all, doesn't matter if they have slings or incendiary devices are inciting a riot into a no go zone" no gun = no shoot is a stupid rule. Thats not even the rule 1:1 in society's not at war you can have legitimate self defense with a firearm even against an unarmed opponent.

[@erinsymone1645]

I would say it’s rare though. You almost always have the advantage with a firearm.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

@@erinsymone1645 You have the advantage with a firearm because you have the ability to shoot your attacker. If somebody attacks you and you aren't allowed to shoot then there is no advantage.

[@Biomechanic2010]

Holy shit you just make dessert soup, let the solution settle, separate the fluid, boil out the water. It's barely chemistry.

[@abshaheen5713]

Chemical engineer here. Super easy to extract sugar in essentially all sources……

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

Even if it wasn’t it could easily be fermented into alcohol and then distilled. Hill billies do that all the time, they’re making it out to be the super arcane knowledge when it absolutely is not

[@malluk3065]

But sugar has always been allowed in. Why would Hamas use cookies when they could have just gotten the sugar anyway?

[@CisternRumblings]

This Ryan Grim dude is the worst host, debater and moderator ever lmfao.

[@GodEmperorSenpai]

Destiny debating so many big names lately is like if Goku hopping to other fictional worlds violating them.

[@lootangshellhouse2506]

The lex podcast was the best watching desinty clearly out of his league

[@GodEmperorSenpai]

@@lootangshellhouse2506 Welp, even goku can't solo his own verse.

[@Rimmy45]

​@@lootangshellhouse2506 very entertaining to see the "I read thousands of books" phd academic counter arguments with "you are a moron"

[@lavafighter3236]

​@@GodEmperorSenpaiFor now.......also CC and Jump Force Goku easily solo their verse.

[@vyvianalcott1681]

@@lootangshellhouse2506 Oh man I can't wait for him to have more conversations with Ben Shapiro, that dude is absolutely incredible at controlling conversations and the more Destiny is exposed to that level of mastery the better he will get at not letting himself be railroaded so goddamn often.

[@Etziochan69]

That guy was a joke of a moderator!

[@Supergforce777]

Because he’s a debater not a moderator

[@samsauce94]

This whole thing has shown what a joke breaking points has become

[@nickgman3592]

This is counter points sir. Breaking points is different show

[@danielclaridge2372]

under the same studio and breaking points channel. 👀 yo wot m8.

[@ryanwhitaker4444]

This show was never good.

[@samsauce94]

@@nickgman3592 it’s all under the breaking points umbrella. What a silly point for you to make lol.

[@ejhanley7362]

I went to a science camp in Texas and they had a nasa engineer teach us about rocket fuel and said it was somewhere between 30%-50% pure sugar and showed us how to make home made rockets out of pixie stix and Oreos, you can make explosives with cookies relatively easy

[@link10909]

No... Candy fuel is not explosive and converting it into one is not easy. Making it rocket fuel is easy. Fuels burn, explosive detonate. Not to say making explosives is hard, it is old school chemistry and can be produced from pretty basic chemicals.

[@RivetCityRamsey]

​@link10909 Maybe they were using the sugar as fuel?

[@ejhanley7362]

@@link10909 all it would take to turn rocket fuel into a bomb is make a container that won’t let the fuel escape as it expands, and the video they pulled up said they add some extra chemicals which depending on what chemicals and processes they use to add it could RELATIVELY easily turn it from a fuel to a low or mid grade explosive

[@wb2944]

You can extract the sugar by dissolving the food in water and then spinning it, then separating the layers of impurities, and re-evaporating it. You could also dissolve it in alcohol which can breakdown certain impurities and evaporates more rapidly. You could also put it into a wok and stir the top of the liquid and then extract the crystals off the side of the bowl.

[@rogueoverton]

The article they cite about the AI-driven "Lavender" program says it has a 10% error rate. Query what the human error rate would have been.

[@willgia]

The final thought probably could have included the interruptions in the argument; something like, “you won’t see a resolution to this, because everyone is entrenched in their own re-telling of history. I can’t even lay out my final thoughts without getting interrupted without more re-telling.”

[@Reddgie512]

they act as if the term Infidel doesn’t exist on the muslim side. Amalek is a benign ass word comparatively

[@prometheusunbound]

The Jewish side is goyim unbeliever is not as same quoting a Bible verse that calls for extermination

[@snowballeffect7812]

lol no it's not. It's like calling them Harkonnens or Uruk'hai.

[@John-bravooo]

​@@snowballeffect7812if you said nothing about muslims calling for the extermination of jews 24/7, you cant cry victim over what israeli's said after oct 7th.

[@theloop6096]

Even if that’s true it’s a pretty good description of Hamas.

[@tiggerbane4325]

@@snowballeffect7812wait which one are you saying is Harkonnen and which is Uruk-hai?

[@billybobthornton9668]

Excited to see D's performance based on the 'teaser'/damage control video Breaking Points released 😂 Are we going to see another self-proclaimed expert academic fail to understand the facts of the matter and editorialise those facts they do know? I'd be shocked 😱😂

[@whit2887]

The Pro-Palestinian guy literally saying that the Israelis policy is disingenuous is laughable! 😂

[@thomasseptimius]

This "expert" learned everything he knows from humanitarian reports which is like being an expert in cars by reading their advertising pampfelts.

[@kabine1]

I think Israel is in a unique dilemma having an armed conflict with a culture that respects and worships a warlord while being criticized by a culture thay respects and worships a carpenter.

[@Resonable_Force]

The levant belongs to me the flying spaghetti monster told so.

[@apimpnamedslickback5936]

All while they respect and worship an eldritch being

[@functionmaster1503]

Materials Needed: Cookies (preferably high-sugar content) Water Coffee filter or fine mesh sieve Saucepan Stirring spoon Glass or container Instructions: Crush the Cookies: Start by crushing the cookies into fine crumbs. You can use a food processor, blender, or simply crush them with a rolling pin or mallet. Prepare the Mixture: In a saucepan, combine the cookie crumbs with water. Use enough water to fully immerse the cookie crumbs. Heat the Mixture: Place the saucepan over medium heat and stir the mixture continuously. The goal is to dissolve the sugar and other soluble components of the cookies into the water. Filter the Mixture: Once the mixture has heated and the cookie crumbs appear dissolved, remove the saucepan from the heat. Allow the mixture to cool slightly. Then, pour the mixture through a coffee filter or fine mesh sieve to separate the liquid (containing dissolved sugar) from the solid cookie particles. Collect the Liquid: Allow the filtered liquid to pass through completely, collecting the liquid in a clean glass or container. This liquid will contain dissolved sugar along with other components from the cookies. Evaporation (Optional): If you want to concentrate the sugar solution further, you can gently heat the collected liquid in a clean saucepan to evaporate some of the water. Be cautious not to burn the mixture, as sugar can caramelize at high temperatures.

[@bigboi2724]

Thanks habibi! I now make rocket!

[@kabine1]

It's like watching two keyboard warriors argue irl. But Steve memorized more of his notes and won the debate.

[@ethakis]

It's genuinely incredible just how well educated Destiny has become on this topic. I kinda feel like he needs to power through like two dozen of the more important and influential books on the topic and history, just so he's able to say that he read them, and he'd probably be unstoppable on this topic.

[@rossgoldman8264]

Omar basically can never be wrong...just hate debating such people

[@onigengu7846]

Omg Lycan is so goddamn sensitive. Destiny mentions Lycan ONCE about how Lycan has challenged Destiny to research specific things. Then Lycan HAS to come in and try to gotcha Destiny in the cookies thing even though the stream isn't ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TOPIC ANYMORE. Lycan is the most sensitive orbiter I've ever seen

[@hrolfthestrange]

Starches can be converted into sugars, idk how easy it would be from chips, BUT chips do have a lot of oil(you can light chips using a regular lighter and it burns pretty hot and hard).

[@rexvectum]

Yeah everything has sugar in it haven't any of y'all been to prison 😂

[@jaysmith3546]

Ok that comment on Breaking Points where the guy said it looked like Destiny stole Omar hair is absolutely hilarious.

[@Monsteroflopogis]

sounds like people are just upset that Palestinians are losing. in war, someone has to lose. If Palestinians surrender, wouldn't the genocide be over? If Israel surrender, wouldn't the genocide be over? You can speculate on how things will go after someone officially loses the war, but at the end of the day, someone has to be a loser. however, I wouldn't expect either side to just give up. If it's war, I totally get why both would keep fighting. But that obviously means that if you keep fighting, ppl will keep dying. Telling israel to stop doesn't make sense. If I was in a boxing match and I was domming my opponent and he was getting fucked up but didn't quit, you wouldn't expect me, the winning party, to stop fighting and forfeit for the sake of my opponent, right? In that case, if you were worried about him, you need a third party (ref) to come in and say, "Hey, bro, you lost, give up or you'll end up with brain damage or something". A 3rd party needs to go in and tell Palestinians "Guys, enough, you're going to get domed if you don't stop". It's like lefties hate winners. lol idk, idc about them but that's how these convos sound to me when I listen to these debates.

[@lb_anth0ny240]

Don't forget that the losing guy is still throwing some mean ass punches

[@Monsteroflopogis]

@@lb_anth0ny240 hah hell I would hope so. otherwise, what's the point, y'know?

[@gastarbeiter8384]

Simple but accurate point. I probably watched hundreds of debates on this conflict in the last month’s and one thing i noticed is that people (especially pro-Palestinians) just lack common sense. It’s like they live in a different reality

[@lb_anth0ny240]

@@Monsteroflopogis Yeah I wanted to add to it since people could interpret your analogy as proving that the Palestinians are holding the fight because they hope to prevail while being beaten down by the clear winner. Like their righteous and still standing despite the big guy beating down on them. The thing is they are giving under the belt punches and still being treated as the poor losers that desperately need help. (Although it is true that the civilians do need help getting out of this ordeal caused mostly by Hamas and immoral higher ups).

[@leeuchiha5661]

Hey guys I know we've been killing each other for like a billion years, lets expect millions of people to suddenly drop their animosity and form a one state solution because that will cause no problems whatsoever!

[@MikeTsBees]

I heard that the Palestinians are super kind and open to pretty much everybody. In fact every week they have multiple LGBTQ+ parades and they fire off fireworks. Now some of those fireworks go into other countries because they're so big. They care so much about liberal values.

[@jayspin8093]

@@MikeTsBees Ohhh the irony

[@PEZ1514]

Well if we show them the power of the rainbow flag and white feminism they will oblige

[@FroggyMan]

The easy answer on why they can't demolish you is if they did the research it goes agents what they have based their entire career off of until this lates conflict it has really opened my eyes.I find it wild Destiny became one of the few unintentional Authorities on the subject

[@joebohart3752]

Dude. Next debate carry a chess timer and tell them how long you need to answer. Very well spoken

[@aliceni8295]

based

[@KrAzYkNoTT]

This was such a good debate. I needed this I was dying laughing. Destiny torched them

[@Jaryism]

It was released 7 min ago, but I’m here to say Destiny won 🏆

[@bernooski5128]

It came out yesterday on another channel

[@Jaryism]

@@Shane756 good one.. get those divorce jabs in lol. You pro-Hamas conspiracy theorists are like 0-20 on ever point in this debate, so you gotta get those personal jabs in, retain some ounce of victory.

[@snowballeffect7812]

@@Shane756 wait, he has a second kid?

[@xYiazmatx]

@@Shane756what are you attempting here if not performance?

[@xYiazmatx]

@@Shane756 I hope he reads this comment thread before it's too late 😤

[@jameszoeller1517]

It supa easy to extract sugars from sodas. You just gotta hold them over a heat source till it evaporates away leaving syrup.

[@michaelvanderwal7390]

Why didn't anyone bring up the point that a bomb shelter should protect against most bombs?

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Doesn't matter that much when King Terrorist Ismail Haniyeh said publicly that he doesn't consider it his responsibility to protect Gazan civilian life.

[@geordangundelfinger]

The "genocide in slow motion" line had me howling lmao

[@Drdirtydee]

Oh I’ve argued in real life and had a real human being drop something similar, I asked her wtf does that mean , it goes into Jews controlling stuff I tell her she sounds like a charlettoville rioter

[@AnEnemyAnenome]

A great meta summary of this debate is the closing arguments segment. Omar gets first closing where he talks for almost 6 minutes uninterrupted. Before Destiny begins his closing, Ryan lobs a few point he feels Omar forget and both Omar/Ryan banter with Destiny for a bit. Then Destiny begins his closing, doesn't get 30s in and Omar interrupts saying some bullshit about Israelis using human shields which Ryan immediately supports and Omar then lays out 1.5mins of more bullshit which Destiny rebuffs each and every misrepresentation Omar and Ryan made in a few minute back and forth. Destiny then wraps his closing over the next 2 or 3 mins while Omar continues to interject and interrupt.

[@MonsieurDePlume]

I looked into the numbers for Eastern Jerusalem’s population over time for you, Destiny. In 1967, when Israel occupied East Jerusalem, the population was around 70,000 Palestinians. By 2019, the Palestinian population in East Jerusalem had grown to around 350,000. The Jewish population in East Jerusalem has also increased over the years, with estimates ranging from 200,000 to 300,000 as of 2019. *(Sources)* Reports and data from the Jerusalem Institute for Policy Research (JIPR), an independent think tank based in Jerusalem that conducts research on the city's demographics, economics, and social issues. Studies and analyses by international organizations such as the United Nations, which often track population trends and demographics in conflict-affected areas, including Jerusalem. Research conducted by academic institutions and scholars specializing in Israeli-Palestinian affairs, urban studies, and demography.

[@adamjmiller010]

Ryan looks so nervous throughout this whole thing. He probably thought you were going to get absolutely rolled. His uncontrollable soothing facial touching was telling.

[@Chad-xh8zs]

Ryan thinks he knows a lot about history

[@my_master512]

The reason he doesn't want to talk about the original blockade and how it started because then he would have to acknowledge that the blockade started for other reasons than blatant hatred for Palestinian people 💯 On top of that it's way too close to explaining how Palestinians actually became refugees you know by trying to overthrow the city government of every single country they been in 🤯

[@Talcor]

I once again would like to credit terrible arguments from westerners on the pro palestinian side for contributing to my growing apathy for palestinians

[@Jobe-13]

I think the debate went well aside from Omar being very bad faith.

[@ogslowdragon]

42:30 Islamic arrogance comes from takiyya. Having a license to lie by Allah so you can pretend to be confident while knowingly lying to people for your cause.

[@besg5725]

Because you decorated cretins do not ever lie...🤣

[@colten1825]

you almost fucking killed me with that pearl harbor bit holy shit

[@Douchebagus]

I don't think Ryan knows how to do his job. He interrupted Destiny during his closing statement almost as much as Omar.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

I didn't even know he was supposed to be a moderator until I saw comments 😅

[@Ciraaxx]

What a horrible "debate" to watch. Just so immensely boring seeing Omar just virtue signal for 2 hours and not answer anything.

[@baconcerberus]

My favorite part was destiny looking up how to extract sugar from cookies when sugar wasn’t even banned in Gaza😂

[@hellsjamfleas]

Cookies weren't banned either. Israel says they weren't but you couldn't import from Iran and some other countries. It's very unclear and Omar's source isn't good.

[@vortex_1336]

You can extract sugar from foods though.

[@time_warp_angel]

actual hasbara agent

[@nyanzombies2174]

And they make their Qassam rocket propellent out of sugar and potassium nitrate, what's your point here?

[@aarikk]

The sugar we use is extracted from Beets.

[@Vuosta]

that "shooting legs out" talking point is also used against Churchill in India. Churchill advocated for using tear gas to disperse riots/protests in the colony as opposed to bombing them with planes or sending a company to shoot them which is what they were contemplating. Of course people will never mention the alternative Churchill was arguing against, and sometimes they even pretend that he was advocating for the use of lethal gases.

[@humanbean3]

i really hate when people bring up cherry picked anecdotes that don't even represent .001 percent a situation。　 also, fighting in civilian clothing is a really damning piece of information. It makes them look really bad in my opinion. it means they dont care to involve innocent people into their conflict.

[@LuciusSicarius]

I didn't notice it the first time I watched the debate, but it actually is crazy how many times they interrupted Destiny's closing statement and how quickly.

[@bulldozer8950]

Obviously the sugar can be pulled out to make rockets. Nilered can pull anything out of anything else, I’m sure you can extract one of the primary ingredients soda pretty easily.

[@itsCalamari]

LMAO when he was arguing with Lycan I was thinking "I'm sure Nilered could figure it out"

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

@@itsCalamari And if you can’t figure it out just ferment it into alcohol and then distill it. In WWII people use to ask to go onto the rocket shift so they could drink the rocket fuel (which was basically pure alcohol).

[@ofirshani26]

Also, another point you never consider, yes, Israel has the iron dome. But my mother, nevertheless, needs to go into a shelter. People living under constant missile sirens and permanently evacuated from their homes in the 100 of thousands, is never spoke of

[@jacobrebibo9217]

42:34 the right way to pronounce Haaretz and Betzelem is like you would pronounce a three silible word in English. Emphasize the second silible. Ha*a*retz, Be*tze*lem (I know it's spelled B'tzelem. I added an E for clarity)

[@pheebs818]

Thank you I do believe I pronounced it correctly now 😊

[@clay_utter]

I like how this whole debate was just a 1v2 and Destiny still cooked the shit out of both of them

[@le832]

I love how Destiny takes notes. He’s pretty good now and looking forward to see how much better he’ll be in 5-10 years.

[@terryreese9771]

You're even told that you don't understand the difference between evidence and proof.

[@enlightenednormie242]

And...? Does it nullify his entire credibility!?

[@JustKeepingTrack]

Not satisfied with getting his back blown out by Destiny once already, Omar is back for more embarrassment 😂

[@thelightwielder]

1:49:33 Lycan: _I'm going to use my cooking experience to pretend I understand chemistry_

[@TropicalBlend001]

Blend cookies to powder. Add water. Sugar dissolves in water, fat does not. Add sugar water to a pot, place on hot stove to evaporate remaining water. What’s left is sugar and other soluble substances but probably mostly sugar. I’m sure there will be further steps if you wanted 100% sugar but…why? You can make a rocket with a fucking gummy bear, and that thing is filled with other shit.

[@Dr_Muad_Deeb]

When you go faster than light and then go backwards in time 🤣😂

[@richardcarbery7035]

I really, really, REALLY want to see Destiny take on Briahna Joy Gray. She might burst into flames with rage.

[@vortex_1336]

He really needs to stop letting them pull out the "children" stuff. 16 yo Hamas fighters don't count as "children".

[@prometheusunbound]

What do you say about the dead babies in the incubators

[@vortex_1336]

@@prometheusunbound Yeah, that's bullshit. They literally evacuated the babies from those hospitals.

[@SomersBugtopia]

​@@prometheusunbound They don't make for very good fighters, that's for sure

[@HistoricaHungarica]

Age of consent debate incoming.

[@erinsymone1645]

16 is still a child. It doesn’t make them “good”, but they are still children. The course of human development doesn’t change just because the children are caught up in a bad ideology and doing evil things. Doing evil doesn’t actually change your age or maturity level.

[@leaaba2965]

Wow destiny just touched on something i have experienced myself, I was nine years old that I learned how to work with AK, also in iran there's a mandatory high school lesson on defense that also includes shooting and working with guns. I have seen 13 year olds that were sent to war with iraq. So yeah you're idea of children might be something completely different.

[@NathanChappell-yc9dh]

I love seeing Destiny get all triggered by how uninformed the academics are but still runs to defend academia "in general." You need to defend academia "in specific" and assume it's meaningless "in general."

[@Exc3ssIv3]

I think Israel Palestine is starting to melt Steven’s brain. I can’t imagine having to debate people who are somehow less informed than redpillers, but that’s where we are with Hamas fanboys.

[@JRuni0r]

The accusations about Destiny 'Wiki' based knowledge is fascinating in that it only applies in one direction. If you're simply 'pro Palestinian' and you don't know 'What River or What sea', haven't even read the Wikipedia, can't discuss any details of any event, don't know the timelines or anything else Destiny can do it doesn't matter. Being completely ignorant and blindly Pro Palestinian is never challenged but putting in hundreds of hours as Destiny has is a completely unacceptable level of knowledge to have in order to voice an opinion.

[@deejnutz2068]

You can create rocket fuel out of Oreo filling fairly easily. It's not effective but for crude rockets it's definitely possible.

[@chillbluesnake7085]

This was a much better debate then the Finklestein one and the PhD historian one. In the first one Steven was a bit more chill (which i think it's great for long term demonstration that he's fully able to handle himself very patiently even when the adversary behaves unhinged). In the se ond one he was maybe too aggressive to the professor, pretty much from the beginning, even though the professor didn't really "deserved" it. This was very balanced between knowledge, being chill, and being aggressive when deserved.

[@jahithber1430]

Would they still defend Hamas if the situation has change? Let's say Oct 7 became successful for Hamas and lead to invasion then genocide in Israel, would this people still say "They are just a resistance movement" "Nakba here, Nakba there"?

[@GhostintheMachine-eg5wm]

Destiny gets the blue ribbon. No one else gets any ribbons, not even ratty grey ones. I'm glad there's a Destiny on KZbin. Thank you!

[@horvathsogranfume658]

the "lefts" take on gaza has me questioning if im actually "left"...

[@Sheebalba]

To questioning that is a bit stupid sorry don’t want to insult you but only if some leftists are lost isn’t change your complete political belief system

[@horvathsogranfume658]

​@@Sheebalba its made me realize a lot of my comrades are just thinly veiled antisemites.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

If one take on a relatively meaningless foreign affairs issue (one where there has been no meaningful progress towards a solution within the last century) is enough to make you question that. You need to do some soul searching. We have way bigger fish to fry like abortion, climate change, education, minority rights/protections, transportation, affordable healthcare. And even then every progressive on the ground I have worked with canvassing, is in support of foreign affairs that are solvable. Examples like supporting Ukraine and strong-arming china away from Taiwan.

[@horvathsogranfume658]

​​@@haruhirogrimgar6047i dont think you understood my comment. MY VALUES havent changed, my support for israel has shown many of my comrades are more interested in purity testing me. Im not prolife now or anything. I still am an atheist, egalitarian humanist.

[@Sheebalba]

@@horvathsogranfume658 maybe but some people are ignorant or just gullible or very susceptible to misinformation. But I can understand it to some extent when it comes to death and suffering, people are very receptive when it comes to something like that.

[@juliancalendar328]

Destiny cries about being interrupted while being the worst offender on the panel...

[@CharlesDawkins-w3y]

These universities can quit taking a billion dollars from the govt

[@noahsalonicchio2221]

Qatar government?

[@willjapheth23789]

They literally watched the bomb maker guy caramelize sugar to make a bomb. And then apparently immediately forgot because they started arguing if caramelized cookie sugar could make a bomb.

[@howdareyou41]

Why is Omar in USA? Why isn't he in Palestine? I'm sure Hamas would love to hear about some of his time in America and the western ideals he loves

[@daenbrown830]

Proper racist drivel

[@aries3479]

On the final note... what if Israel did free Palestine completely under the agreement the U.N. or U.S.A has stations at the Israel/Palestinian border. So any attacks either way will have to go through a third party that could erase either side. A permanent presence on the border could ensure peace in a 2 party solution.

[@PreDaToReLeaSeD]

Cookie filling is not as hard to get sugar out of as cookie itself

[@Mike-vs1gf]

Who even cares. He might have been wrong on this. Omar was wrong / lying / mischaracterizing actual meaningful factual history to weave a narrative, and was caught out numerous times. The scoreboard is overwhelmingly in Destiny's favor, substantively speaking, but all it takes for these terror simps is a singular odd comment like the rocket fuel thing and they will parade it around until the end of the earth. they are dishonest, LIARs, just like Omar

[@killaronjones3933]

52:39 gotta appreciate Destiny's classic flabbergasted voice here

[@matt6768]

When Destiny starts getting the shakes you know he’s cooking

[@noahgeorge5583]

Just wanted to say congrats to Destiny, if you go look under the Breaking Points video you have to scroll down quite a ways to see someone who thought Omar won this

[@horatiohornblower3757]

Emily's face is either resting Sad Face, or she is legitimately thinking "holy shit I'm dumb" the entire time when Steven is speaking. Is Omar deaf? Or is someone also potentially feeding him lines? Why does he have an earpiece in. If he is hard of hearing, never mind obviously. But just curious.

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

He is a Propogandist

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

Not only could you use sugar directly to make the propellant but you could ferment the sugar in the cookies into alcohol and the further distill it. People use to drink rocket fuel in WWII as it was basically pure alcohol

[@ChachiMcSwaqq]

19:07 "When Palestinians respond with violence, Israelis who are out of touch with the reasons why the violence is happening start to hate them more" Are Palestinians maybe also "out of touch with the reasons the violence is happening?" Remarkable how quickly we can just slip in this insane moral obligation of civilians getting murdered in bus bombings or massacres to think long and hard about the reasons they're being slaughtered. Omar would never apply a requirement like that to the Palestinians. They don't ever have to reflect on their actions and how they motivate things like the blockade. Even Omar himself won't do that from his cushy media job in the West. "The blockade happens because Israel is evil." Deep analysis

[@daenbrown830]

What a stupid thing to say. It's typical of the zionist mindset and stereotype to at all times in every situation maintain that they are the primary victims

[@John-bravooo]

And Arabs have been murdering Jews since 635.

[@Breadbored.]

The discussion between the Japanese and the American diplomat prior to Pearl Harbor involved a miscommunication due to the American representative that was handling the longterm relations being temporarily replaced with somebody unfamiliar with the Japanese representative. That miscommunication was taken by the Japanese representative as a declaration of war and they executed the surprise attack that they had been prepared for. It's actually unsettling to think how many lives were lost, up to and including nuclear bomb strikes, all due to 2 guys misunderstanding each other.

[@Aspectioner]

Why doesn't Destiny EVER call out people for not engaging with his points? He spends hours rewatching his debates on stream and say they don't engage, but he never once says it mid-debate. If Omar can tell Destiny he's interrupting too much after doing it himself the whole time, why would Destiny ever think it's not ok to point out they aren't engaging with his points? It's kind of ridiculous he lets this happen after having so many of these type of debates.

[@humanmerelybeing1966]

Because then it would be a productive conversation, not an online debate.

[@Aspectioner]

@@humanmerelybeing1966 old habits die hard I guess

[@dblackout1107]

The only ones to blame for not engaging are the ones who actually don’t engage. It’s not Destiny’s job to police everyone else to not bring ass takes to the debate table. If someone comes to the debate table with a surface level bottom-barrel-derived view, of which they don’t even minutely expand on, smart people see that.