Twiztid EXPLAINS BEEF w/ICP

[@sopo9429]

I've listened to all Icp, Twiztid, and all the other related bands. And personally I hope that Twiztid will continue to create bangers! As well as any of the other respected bands.

[@TalibAlAmin86]

Maybe Juggalos weren't listed as a gang, but I'll say this....if you have a Hatchetman tattoo and you end up in Prison, they WILL open a gang file on you.

[@shorty808100]

no there wrong the FBI labels anyone with ICP tats or listens to ICP a gang member i'm dealing with the fucking fbi right now

[@notices_demons]

Lol, it is a little more nuanced than that. You've obviously never been in the system and talked to the numerous psyche doctors and researchers that determine gang affiliation or not when you go in.

[@grimmthek.i.d2085]

Just wanted to say this, as someone who has been to prison in the state of Michigan. If you only have a hatchet man tattoo while incarcerated in the MDOC, you will not get SGT'ed (Security Gang Threat) HOWEVER! if you have 3 or more juggalo tattoos (jokers cards, hatchet man, dark lotus tattoos for example) and you openly say "I am a juggalo" and you also talk in the juggalo slang (saying "Neden" or "whoop whoop" as another example) and also group up with other juggalos on the prison yard, then Yes, they will break up you and the homies, you will be SGT labeled and moved up to a level 5 security which will effect your parole date. There is a method of operation for determination of who is and is not a threat to the MDOC. I hav no knowledge on other state prisons, they all have different rules and regulations on how they classify a gang member. This is what I've come to known strictly from the state of Michigan.

[@jamesblake5176]

fact you're getting classed as a juggalo. saw it first hand.

[@andsmonty5185]

Shut up ya wanbabe

[@EvilDeadRecordsVideo]

"What did they wanna do and what did you wanna do?" I like how direct the interviewer is, he wants an answer haha

[@ieatbabbies]

Rude Jude is the shit.. homie is from the D too.

[@CrazyRockwell]

They dodge the question like 3 times before finally squeezing out the shameful confession. "It was political", lol, eat shit guys. Good luck with that emo-rock shit that got played out by '98.

[@mattstephens6137]

Bro THATS how you press a dude. Got some answers tho didn't we😂

[@shawn.k1]

FYI, I just got out of the joint and Juggalos are still considered a S.T.G. (security threat group) this is as of spring 2022.

[@suggestedusername6662]

I was just telling a dude this. There’s a difference between being classified as a gang and being a STG. Definitely still a STG but reclassified from a gang because no organized crime activity.

[@reymysterio1786]

Facts… and the bigger problem is that there are REAL cliques that have taken up names in certain prisons. My primo who’s a non affiliate told me about when he was in a couple prisons with a group called ABKs

[@Honkers716]

What? 12+ arrest and never once did anyone say anything about my hatchetman or Kottonmouth Kings tattoos. I've been arrested from NY to CO

[@swimmin_eagle1165]

@@Honkers716 sounds like you need to get your damn life together man. And by now I hope you did fam

[@daymanfighterofthenightman]

I didn't know this.. hmm. Sounds like the FBI found a loop hole. Is this only in certain states?

[@Chaorchy]

I was in the feds from 98 to 2022. In 2020 the prison system still had anybody with a hatchet man tat down as a gang member.

[@timjames3191]

Lol. Monoxide just blowing smoke hoping to cover his ass clearly NOT knowing wtf was going on. Juggalos were in fact being labeled as gang members. Twiztid bit the hands that fed them and turned their backs on family.

[@shameryda]

I was literally put in gang file when arrested over my hatchet man tattoo

[@REALCatJesus]

So they left in 2012 because of what happened in 2014? Understood 🤣

[@garymain230]

Yess

[@BA-vv4jy]

If your talking about when the FBI officially classified juggalos as a gang that was in 2011. I'm not taking sides here just saying.

[@at0micwerew0lf]

Makes sense 🤣🤣

[@KorpsePaintKlown]

They’re talking about when the beef escalated not why they left

[@mikeking4349]

They left but stayed on realitivley good terms in 2012. 2014 things totally went off the rails

[@Trash2000s]

I think icp got tired of Monoxides permanent “i drink monster, smokes cigarettes, and dropped out of school in 2003” face.

[@stormkilla2392]

It's funny they say this cause in one of the juggalo cyphers mono specially mentions being watched by the FBI but now they say oh it was never real

[@reymysterio1786]

Cypher 5 And DOOOOPE Loki pic 👍

[@jeremymccage9213]

Facts

[@gscar1394]

Yuppp

[@punktransprincess7031]

you didnt make juggalos, juggalos made you

[@jeremymccage9213]

💯

[@edivadR]

💯

[@erisgh0sted961]

That's a fact.

[@illuminaughty316]

If you were smart...45 seconds into it Monoxide literally said "the juggalos.. the ppl who made us who we are .."

[@whatever85x]

Warp tour baby

[@rodjerdankist1125]

To quote Violent J on ABK's track "GANG RELATED" "Do you wear a hatchetman? You in a gang and yo ass better be ready to do that thang"

[@stryctn9yne13]

Violent J ain’t about shit

[@TheMeg420]

@@stryctn9yne13 wanna bet? if youve seen him in wrestling youd know he is, so is shaggy

[@joemerlin152]

​@@TheMeg420in a dance? 🤣🤣🤣

[@williamhelton210]

the FACTS are, for YEARS ICP went the legal route to help the juggalos to no avail, so the march was the final attempt to right this injustice. Everytime i hear twiztid speak on this it makes me want to vomit. If that’s how they portray family, they can keep it and their lies

[@LSDdreams808]

Very well said

[@UNKANNYENTERTAINMENT]

Poor little caterpillar...enjoy being trapped in wax.

[@planewalker_J]

@@UNKANNYENTERTAINMENT LMAO

[@justingleason3950]

Monoxide even have since said that he was wrong and that they should’ve marched!

[@lostvagabond365]

@@UNKANNYENTERTAINMENT half wit

[@TheJJboy]

They recently apologized for downplaying the march lol

[@samjones527]

Cowards

[@therealantsquish7991]

Can u link us to that?

[@Zlawm]

⁠ofc I can pookie kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWavaa1vrK-ElbMsi=Y6hiik-Li9WJ9-dz

[@ajporoznik9738]

How can they say that "juggalos" weren't listed with the FBI as a gang??? We were so! I saw it with my own fuckin eyes on FBI websites, many times over. And how can they say they didn't agree with it?? It's like if you're best friend is out on the playground, and some bullys step up and say 'the clothes you are wearing are offensive to everyone in the school, so we're gonna beat your ass'. And Twiztid decides ' well I dunno, maybe they are a bit offensive. We're gonna step back and watch you get your ass beat. Good luck'. Fuck em.

[@Givennewlife1976]

yeah the FBI definately classified Juggalos a gang thisstory their telling is disrespectful to all the Juggalos that made them in the first place.

[@reymysterio1786]

Listen bro, there may be juggalos that don’t identify as a gang but there are groups out in the streets that use the hatchet man and juggalo name as identifiers. Examples are Blazes Disciples, AnyBodyKillers, House of Locos, UnderGround Klowns, Psychopathic RyderZ etc

[@Swearengen1980]

Well the FBI also called Trumper supporters or anyone who buys any form of historical American flag "domestic terrorists", so labels don't really mean a whole hell of a lot. It's largely bureaucratic bullshit and virtue signaling unless you give them a good reason to look into you.

[@LHRPG_Official]

That's a straight up lie. I'm on the gang member database for having juggalo tattoos after being arrested for non gang related things.

[@DDFGhostHunting]

Very same here in FL

[@awlament]

Same in ga

[@CyKo-N1njaH]

Same Hanford California

[@ghostfrieza2904]

Dude fr i got a tattoo of james charles on my lower back and judge sentenced me to 45 days bootcamp on ram ranch. :-(

[@Hhe448]

All 3 of yall are lying

[@stevesharpe3370]

Twiztid left because the music business changed. They wanted their masters for streaming because CDs don’t sell and their money in the contract was based off CD sells. ICP didn’t want to work out the contract and twiztid thought they could make independent internet money on their own fulling owning their new music

[@jeremymccage9213]

Icp gave twisted their masters.

[@DukeofHell]

That sounds logical.

[@stevesharpe3370]

@@DukeofHell ya I think I heard twiztid talking about it and shaggy I heard shaggy talking about it, he said they wanted the masters and basically said that’s why a label signs somebody and invests in them to get a return and it’s beneficial to both parties, that if they gave them to them there’s no point in having them signed and investing into them, twiztid was tired of icp being their boss with making money off them, telling them when they need to do albums, telling them who they could do features with, when they could tour incordince with what icp had planned for the year. It could have went smooth but it didn’t, I heard j say in the Chris Hanson video that they could go on their own and just put the hatchet man on their CDs and merchandise(similar to what ouija Macc has going on) and that they didn’t want to do that and wanted to be completely separate from psychopathic and have their own identity. Idk how true that is that’s j’s word Basically twiztid wanted to have control over their own destiny, music and brand and split was not done cordially both sides were pissed at each other

[@forgetfulfunctor1]

And they did tbf 😅

[@DirtyRiverJon]

They're gooooofs

[@stevejamieson8468]

Hopefully one day they can mend fences, Twiztid were like the little bros to ICP. With J's recent health problems, it is not a bad idea for all parties involved to mend fences

[@JakeSinner7]

Was this interview before or after Monoxide cried and apologized for not going to the march?

[@shanelee80]

The new school juggalos are a joke

[@reymysterio1786]

@@shanelee80 why.? Not shit talking, I’m genuinely curious of your statement

[@dcypherlucasthemadman9549]

It was before monoxide apologized

[@jeremymccage9213]

Facts

[@nativewarriors4844]

Different era and and views and deepest of blues paying heavy dues seems to be everyone’s news.

[@xxlazylamaxx8378]

They didn't want to mess with the FBI we love Twiztid like brothers whoop whoop Twiztid is a gift a gift of their music

[@ninjanunch27]

They don't love you tho. Actions speak.

[@TheJJboy]

Twiztid wanted paid Icp wanted to fight for juggalos

[@xxlazylamaxx8378]

Twiztid juggalos love y'all we are family for life

[@HalloweenAllYearEnterainment]

You mean Twizzler and juggalos if you likd twizted and ICP

[@agustingarcia6504]

I was arrested on some simple shit v.o.p and had my car towed after they searched it nothing was found but a bowl with some flower in it but after my cds got taken out I was asked if I had any tattoos or affiliation with local people. I was told my Icp twisted bondox stuff was affiliated And from that day on I was labeled in the system as gang affiliated and place in segregated units it was like 6 years of being asked about it on arrival

[@palaholic1889]

Shaggy2dope said it best: "beef? We dont have beef. Not with anyone who matters."

[@newyorkcitytrucking1215]

This isn’t even what the beef was/is about. The beef is because Violent J took young wicked in and gave him every opportunity to have an excellent life, same as he did with Twiztid. Then young wicked, who was married or engaged, telling Violent J how much he cared about his wife/fiancée whatever, snuck around lied and got J’s neice pregnant and became an absentee father. Being an absentee father is one of the worst things somebody can do, and dude lied about it after getting caught once, and even fucked up his second chance. Obviously that’s disgraceful behavior, although god bless the child 100%. So what do twiztid do when ICP kicks young wicked out of their space? Twiztid then signs young wicked to their label “magic ninja” which is even words directly from the mind of Violent J. And to go one more, Twiztid had talked shit about young wicked in the beginning when they were all together, saying “yeah this dude sucks, we shouldn’t help him”. Then after he directly sins in the face of the kindness of the family, Twiztid signs him. That’s what the beef is about, and frankly it’s disappointing to even type this comment out. Woop woop family all you out there.

[@breakingbad6077]

Said it to a T!!!!!!!! Exactly it was Otis who Killed Lotus!!!

[@hippointhehouse9271]

FUCKIN THANK YOU!!! also twiztid fails to understand, yes the march absolutely was a publicity stunt, but not for the reason they think it was,,, it was just the most legal way juggalos could say fuck you back to the fbi, a way to say we're not ok with being called a gang

[@miatalamasca3723]

Who is J's niece?

[@dopeydgaf6673]

Well it's kinda funny that the So Called Beef 🥩 Was Started from Day 1, When Twiztid Decided to Leave Psychopathic Records, Plain Flat Out Simple Facts & Along the Way After Deciding to Make "MNE" It Became This Reason there Was The Beef. How long it was & How many Albums Twiztid Had already released on MNE Before The whole Young Wicked situation. It just goes to show the Stupidity Of a Juthalo & The Smarts of a Ninja. Maybe 1 day the J Huggers, Will Stop Being So Butt Hurt & Learn to Move On.

[@mike1989libra]

@@miatalamasca3723 lol Samantha jumpsteady daughter

[@LunaHusky805]

Y'all need to put this shit behind you. Show the world that people can disagree on something whole heatedly but still be able to hug it out and the end of the day.

[@Ju-822-88]

naw

[@natesmith3762]

Maybe one day whoopx2

[@TheMeg420]

nah, killa c said it best fuck the law and police

[@GR33DTH3FALL3N]

What’s crazy is I have a number still as an affiliate of the juggalos while being in DOC. I was not able to be housed with anyone in the state of Indiana that was not a part of a security threat group. All I had was tattoos of J and Shaggs along with the carnival of carnage.

[@samjones527]

Mean while the FBI isn't going after the real problem like nazis

[@mikelreborn3254]

Me to, I was STG in prison for my hatchet man...

[@mikelreborn3254]

I was in prison in Oklahoma, and there was a Juggalo gang called the JRB (Juggalo Rydas Bitch)...but there numbers were low... most of us held tight in there, but had many races and colors riding together...most gangs didn't take us seriously...basically were took care of each other and called out self family...but in that just because I bought the same CD in highschool as you doesn't mean I like you... I'm 42, I bought my first ICP CD in the early 90's, Tunnel of Lover EP.... Guess I'm old school.

[@FranchiseKicks]

How many artists left psychopathic for Majik Ninja? That is all that needs to be said. If J and Shaggs hands were clean and they were telling the truth, the label would not be gutted of talent.

[@ChickenMcThiccken]

what is magik ninja? is that a new label?

[@HalloweenAllYearEnterainment]

Only because it's all their homies they got jobs to be signed to psychopathic records thats only reason they all went to majic ninja entertainment

[@joemerlin152]

Abm and Boondoxs? J found boondoxs and AMB had the look but sucked

[@juggalocpirate]

What does it matter to twiztid to just march if they're saying there was literally no point to it

[@skudddruminganchaos]

Cause j shot talked everyone who said no to marching. Tech n9ne said "sorry I'm busy that day" and jay literally talked shit about him on record.

[@mrrottentreats7706]

Old shit, they ended up trying to say sorry

[@korndog8132]

Nah..something else happened. Love twistid but when I went to jail they grilled me on my hatchet man tattoos asking who my gang affiliates were and put me down as such. I turned myself in for traffic violations with no prior lmao.

[@damienbailey9760]

A few years ago, I was walking somewhere in an uptight community, minding my own business, and 3 police rolled up on me from out of nowhere. Acting like I just murdered someone and was on the run. As they are searching me, I only had a cellphone, a pocket knife, and my wallet, I asked them why they were stopping me and one officer replied that I looked very suspicious because I had on a ringmaster jersey and have a very big and very red hatchetman tattoo on my right forearm. They asked me if I considered myself to be a juggalo which I replied what is a juggalo? Another officer replied that juggalos are considered to be gang affiliates. I laughed and said well, I am a juggalo, obviously, I'm rocking hatchet gear and hatchet man tattoos. But I'm not a gang member of any sort. Before they let me go they told me not to be walking around there anymore and if they see me again they would take me to jail on "suspicious activity". And I was on my way. I started walking to and from work almost every day after that just to see if they would try that. I had an attorney ready to rip them apart if so. Officials in Alabama are way too uptight about everything. Also, I've been listening to ICP and twisted since I was 17. I just turned 40. I've been to many twisted and ICP concerts. I think my favorite was the Chaos and Chronic tour at the masquerade in Atlanta. It was Twiztid, Kotton mouth kings, big B, and Blaze. Now I'm more of a fan of Majic Ninja Records than I am of Psychopathic records. I'll always be a Juggalo, but I feel like ICP sold out and aren't fresh anymore. I would love to see Dark Lotus back together though

[@SeanShank87]

Around 2012 I had 2 cops pull up to me on my way home from work. I usually take off my work gear because it's uncomfortable to wear 8 hours a day lol. & underneath I was almost always wearing a Juggalo related shirt. They were very polite to me thankfully and just asked me about it. They were like oh we heard it's gang activity related and we're just wondering what it was and what's going on & I explained to them that the label was a common misconception going around lately. That right there at the time proved to me the label was a real thing. I've never once had any issues with cops before.

[@mike1989libra]

So basically icp was right for the march while twiztid ran

[@YouCouldNever.]

Never happened.

[@jlighthammer6080]

​@@mike1989libra.....March for WHAT? The classification wasn't the reason lolol

[@victoriaimdahl6058]

Pass the axe 🪓

[@wastedtalent666]

All I hear is "we were scared to have ICP's back and the juggalos backs so we turned on everyone that helped put us where we are" because without ICP and the juggalos their would be no Twiztid and when we needed them to represent us they weren't there....

[@JuggaloSupreme]

WORD

[@jikosauce]

Thats not even what said. Both group have stated how they had different styles. If they were scars they woulda never linked up with ICP

[@SxTxferlife]

Also this is 2 years after they left, they still lying and can't admit it was greed why they left. Fuck Twiztid

[@voteZDLR]

ICP doesn't pay their artists which is why they basically all have left by now. It has nothing to do with anything they said in this video, it has to do with money.

[@NavaLo333]

WHOOP WHOOP

[@kozmoman1066]

It honestly sounds like they didn't watch the documentary because icp did everything twiztid wanted them to do.

[@stryctn9yne13]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 who the fuck you trying to lie to?

[@ImTheLetterP]

Much love to both ICP and Twiztid. I like all their music.

[@SxTxferlife]

I'll always love the music, sadly thanks to Twiztids lies and BS, I hate the people. No hate your way if u don't, we all got different opinion and we all should respect them whoop whoop

[@ivan.rains1]

Listen I am labeled in the department of corrections as a gang member only on the basis of that I have a hatchet man tattoo we are definitely on a list brah

[@babytray-bp4qg]

Violent J wouldn't pay for their promotion. He also had final say on a lot of their stuff. Example- gang rags by blaze was supposed to be called "last house on Grundy street" but violent J wanted more gang shit mixed in. He also had a problem with Twiztid using n word. Wish the family was still together.

[@buddy_love]

shout out to Violent J for checkin twiztid on that n word shit. that's a big reason they don't get the respect ICP does. light skin dudes droppin n bombs while eating off an African culture that raised you ...that's foul.

[@HalloweenAllYearEnterainment]

Are you stupid Twizid should have never been using the N word in any songs cause they ain't black and thats racist and icp and juggalos are against racist shit and bigots

[@TruthMUSICAJIUO]

I was in prison and they tag me as gang member just for my tattoos so get facts straight twiztid wake up

[@Wicked_R]

You tatted up with the Jokers cards etc? And the gang labelled you should be a crime.Twiztid can brush over the March all they want..fact is they weren't there so Fuck em.

[@BrandonLatessaMSP]

Straight up when I was going to booking they put me on the "juggalo gang" because I have multiple hatchet men on me

[@at0micwerew0lf]

I was in the SHU with a kid that the admin claimed was in a Juggalo gang. He rode out with it, out of sarcasm...I did tell him that even if he ain't being 100% serious the admin is ganna twist whatever he says to them him up. Wasnt my business...but i hated to see them slam someone like that.

[@CrazyRockwell]

Lol, no no no fellas, it was just "AN ASSESSMENT", no harm done.

[@topshelf5032]

yea but ur jewish so that matters right no what the fuck u think would happen if you pulled up in a kikewagon spinnin at mf dreidle baby boy shit

[@Twiztid34]

Alright... Beef or no Beef, Twiztid is fuckin awesome... I'm glad that they spread their wings and done their own thing... props to ICP for showing them things... My name says it all... Love Twiztid and all the homies... Maybe one day things will change, maybe not... It is what it is right...I got my hatchetman charm and wear it proudly... I dont give a Fuck if people think im in a gang or not... My whole family is Juggalos...Whoop Whoop

[@HalloweenAllYearEnterainment]

Whoop Whoop

[@onionsavoya1506]

CD stores were closing across the country. So ICP couldn't afford to keep Twiztid on the payroll. So Twiztid became there own bosses.

[@voteZDLR]

ICP/Psychopathic don't pay any of their artists. It has nothing to do with CD stores, and even less to do with CD sales when basically every record label in the world has accepted the fact that most people don't buy physical copies of music anymore so they've adjusted to the new digital reality. Money made by professional musicians comes almost entirely by touring and selling merch, the music itself is basically given away for free nowadays with some exceptions. This is to get them in the door of live concerts.

[@lostvagabond365]

@@voteZDLR smart man spitting facts..you must be a musician

[@onionsavoya1506]

@@voteZDLR Yeah but they post live concerts on you tube. Nothing about selling music makes any sense at all now. On you tube you can enjoy CDs ,live shows, merch unboxing , interviews the whole 9 for paying your phone bill.

[@europeanian4205]

​@onionsavoya1506 you can't get sprayed with faygo and have a 300lb sweaty fat guy pressed up on your ass for an hour and a half

[@brysoncherry9884]

​@@onionsavoya1506which Is why art is dying. You're paying the isp not the artist. Sheep.

[@thedelster9525]

theres a dog the bounty hunter where he grabs a guy and says that juggalo tattoo was a gang tattoo... im like... oh dog... dog

[@forgiven79]

Twiztid for life

[@sebikelifeusvetparatrooper]

BIKES🚲FO LIFE✊😎!!!

[@juggaloNationCaliforniaIE]

This beef needs to stop I like twiztid and ICP they need to talk things out real shit 🤔whoop whoop

[@jamesfall101]

Love Twiztid. I still remember hitting a licc an finding a Monoxided CD chain smoking album. It looked like a pack of Newports and on the inside had and ashtray filled with cigarette butts.

[@jikosauce]

What cd was it thats funny

[@planewalker_J]

@@jikosauce he said chain smoker

[@topshelf5032]

CK CK CK CK CK

[@jivepsilocybe993]

@@planewalker_J old head vs new head amirite?

[@JayceeGenocide]

That album was terrible

[@christopherfrost1820]

interesting that the first line on the first song of their album "The Continuous Evilution of Life's ?'s"(which is a stupid fucking title by the way) is "Can't get a job anymore cuz I'm a gangbanging Juggalo According to the cop's report"

[@TheJohhnyE]

Bill Burr looks different in this screenshot. I didn't even know he interviewed Twiztid.

[@brandonkasper4416]

During the time when juggalos were listed as a gang I went to go donate plasma and they wouldn't let me because of my hatchet man tattoo.

[@psyclownz91]

wasnt because it was a hatchetman tatt, that's just standard for tattoos and piercings.. I forget the time frame, but if enough time hasnt passed since you were tatted or pierced, you cant donate blood/plasma.

[@uk_carnage]

Did you have a tattoo or piercing within the last 4 months? Because that is a no no for them.

[@CraigHarrisWakka]

Sounds like BS, because I got one slapped right by my donation spot

[@patrickbertlein4626]

@@psyclownz91 you THINK it might have been for that reason, you do not KNOW. Quit assuming shit people, be skeptical sure but you can't say you actually know this dudes experience.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

Its find to question things, but assuming you know better what someones experience is also sounds like BS. It just makes you look like a jackass cause how the fuck do you know? Try it, say "it sounds like BS but what the fuck do I know@@CraigHarrisWakka Its the same thing, without you being a fool. None of us know shit.

[@Smoker5739]

Not to mention Violent J literally said in Gang Related that they were in fact a gang.

[@jbhgtzc790]

He said. You might be.

[@KingNexusMOCs]

It's just a song. Do you think VJ has heads sitting around his house??

[@michaelmorbid704]

Hate me for this I don't give a shit but what Twiztid is saying is what I been saying for a LONG TIME. At the time of the "March" Juggalos were already taken off the gang list. Therefore it was a publicity stunt. It is what it is. I love Twiztid and ICP both. These are just facts. Twiztid took a stance on something they believed in. That's all. They don't hate ICP and they don't hate the Juggalos. It just is.

[@djtwiztid77]

Now. Is this just a beef like East Coast/West Coast beef, or is it a marketing plot to make it look like a beef, start MNR as a subsidiary of Psychopathic, where they get to do their own style, and everyone gets a piece of the pie behind closed doors?

[@XThirdEyeX]

🤔

[@VHSorceress]

This is a lie. When I was in school, we couldn't wear any form of juggalo merch, whether it be a hatchet man, an album cover, etc. I was legally classified as a gang member and the school treated me like one. This is a flat out lie.

[@heavenresearch2332]

huh? if i google that shit it sure seems like juggalos are still considered a gang.

[@ChickenMcThiccken]

bro. 5 people grouped together is considered "mob action". is anyone a "member of the mob?" no. LOL. so its just a name

[@nunya3607]

I mean this sounds like it was just a big miscommunication on both sides if this is the actual reason

[@KnoneOfficial]

It seems there's also a lot they aren't even saying. I'm guessing they signed some non-disclosure agreement, and probably (legally) can't even discuss certain details. Because aside from the march stuff - which I believe is surface level - it also had to do with them not having their masters, and not being promoted or valued as artists, and possibly other personal differences. Mono did talk about one altercation they had, a long time ago. But it mostly sounds like differences in various business decisions is the main factor. If you listen to Marz's interview on Tales From the Pit channel, he goes into detail about how J was trying to pit him against Twiztid, and basically a controling person. He acknowledges that J was simultaneously driven and hard-working as well as generous (like giving him rides for a while) but also kind of a snake. And then so many people have left Psy (or have expressed grievances) besides Twiztid, including former producers, ABK, Blaze, and others. There's even a vid on here about how J is very difficult to work for, by someone completely unrelated.

[@KnoneOfficial]

It seems there's also a lot they aren't even saying. I'm guessing they signed some non-disclosure agreement, and probably (legally) can't even discuss certain details. Because aside from the march stuff - which I believe is surface level - it also had to do with them not having their masters, and not being promoted or valued as artists, and possibly other personal differences.

[@kevinguthrie1331]

When I was locked up for 5 years I was accessed as a gang member and am still holding a gang file twiztid honestly thats sad you were scared of the backlash I hear your saying you'd be there but I'm still labeled as a gang member

[@LSSJTHOR]

I'm the terrorist for saying in a 7th grade paper " i wanted to unlife Bush , play with turtles then eat popeyes fried chicken" (turtles = weed) 😂

[@lunisic]

No ur not stfu and if they put u in a file its cuz u told them u were in a gang

[@lunisic]

I do wish they would stoop to icp's level and be petty and shit talk i wanna hear stories man

[@daveidduha]

finally someone said it

[@RadDadMoody]

Its much clown love for everybody!!

[@VancefrmSoundview]

So crazy that Twiztid is completely oblivious to Juggalos getting being harassed by police. I have seen it. It's happen to me a lot in 2008

[@sleepdafiend3983]

R U SERIOUS monoxide just apologized to juggalos for not being at the March now he's shitting on it AGAIN!!!!!

[@dcypherlucasthemadman9549]

This is a very old interview

[@loonatykofficial]

This is old.

[@mikeabney2527]

I believe this is actually an old interview from shade 45. They got annihilated in the comment section because they lied their ass off throughout this whole interview.

[@johnnyangel4258]

This interview is from 2019 way before Monoxide ever apologized not sure why this is being posted up as New..

[@TruthMUSICAJIUO]

Right makes no sense unless this is old !! Twiztid is not what they was before !! They changed

[@madhatterer1978]

They didn't answer the question, they ask them for a favor they should had do it for just the fact of loyalty

[@ericslimp2726]

They're about the money point blank I've been down with them since 97 I'm 40 years old as soon as they knew that they weren't going to leave ICP they they jump ship point blank the first clue was the green book back in 03

[@isaachemaea271]

Twiztids story : violent j starting a fight with monoxide over eminem song Icp story: Twiztid did a runner

[@Ju-822-88]

best move for them look at their roster look at the shows they have going the comic con dudes are doing it

[@illuminaughty316]

Yeah the whole part about "it had nothing to do with you being a juggalo its cuz u had heroine in your house" real fuckin talk

[@realtalkwithj-man5195]

: sigh: it's goes way way deeper than the march , everyone seems to forget that when Twiztid dropped The Green Book they were talking about leaving Psy and starting there own shit . They stayed after some promises , promises that never came to fruition . Alot of shit happened behind the scenes in regards to friction and shit. Violent J is notoriously difficult to work with at times , a control freak , has drug issues and when he gets fucked up acts crazy etc . This was all rumors in the juggalo world for real . Even when they finally did leave J wanted to still put the hatchet man on Twiztid's shit he even admitted that. Dark Lotus became huge , and Twiztid , Blaze ,etc only got paid feature prices and money for shows . All the albums sold and merch sold went to ICP. Yeah the own the label but as successful as Twiztid became in that label and loved you'd think they would have shown more love financially. I can go and on , at the height of this shit both sides said and did some dumb shit. Twiztid had just as much as building the juggalo world as ICP . Yeah ICP started that shit but 98 on up Twiztid played a huge role , shit blaze and ABK to ( not as much as Twiztid but still ) Twiztid became huge and def influenced the juggalo community eap during the Golden era at Psy. They stayed for the sake of the juggalos but there was years of friction behind closed doors . Joe and Paul mainly and Joey and Jamie just riding with they homies . I wish one day Joe and Paul could just sit down and hash shit out but that's a fantasy that will never come true prob. Signing young wicked etc was some snake shit I dunno how young wicked sleeps at night knowing the drama he caused ,that shit was Twiztid being petty but like I said a lot of ait was done t them behind the scenes , not pushing albums , they failed huge on abominationz . Im rambling here , both ICP and Twiztid are legends hand down wish they could reunite but it'll never happen mcl to everyone.

[@cassiegunset6939]

Im just as confused as to where i got the bruise on my left thigh. All this sounds petty on both sides to me.

[@stevenevol6304]

Sure wish I had some new Lotus

[@pRandzq]

You would have to fix ties with Marz to make that work out well though.

[@williamhelton210]

i can show 100 percent verification of everything i’ve said with simple searches of the fbi database and court cases that were filed too

[@Tigerdreama.]

One of the best groups 🎯

[@daviddelarosajr-bi3px]

I can see where both r coming from . Icp def had there fams back who were being miss labeled . And Twiztid was knowing ng that there was actually los n let's that weren't being labeled wrong but were actually being processed because they actually did something wrong ... I can honestly see both it's a shame hey didn't work thangs out

[@CraigHarrisWakka]

The main reason J was so worried about that damn "gang label" is because he knew a March of Washington would get him attention. "Gang Related" by ABK ft Violent J shows you VJ wanted this shit to be a gang, and the idiots who made it a real life gang and/or prison click are the ones to blame. I remember when I could wear my Hatchetman tattoo at 19-22, and it was looked at as a phase. Now 23-32, it went from I'm somehow connected to a gang in St. Joe prison even though gang laws in Missouri say you have to have like 6-7 people, and there were only like 3 of us. Now it gives some people a fucked up first impression of me like I'm some fucking druggie, idiot scrub who steal from the local Dollar General to feel "gangster". People always said "down for life", but honestly it was younger me's thing. Also I always side with Twiztid over ICP, but yall are wrong on this one. A prison white shirt took a photo of our little group when we were smoking cigarettes on the yard. Anything that is a logo tattoo & multiple people are wearing is going to list you as a possible risk to security.

[@TyeB1992]

You said it man. Crazy 💯

[@Jeff-jl2xc]

😂😂😂 So your dumbass thinks a whopping 2 or 3 songs where they mention being a gang somehow means they wanted it to be a gang but yet your gonna ignore the literal DOZENS of songs where he makes it clear we are a family and not a gang?? Or all the T-shirts saying I'm a juggalo not a gang member?? And don't claim that was all before this shit because we had all them songs and shirts long before it! Jesus christ your fucking DUMB aren't you little boy?? And yes Jay did do it for attention wtf do you think a March is supposed to be for you fucking idiot!? God damn people as dumb as you give me a headache

[@Wikk3dJ4ck]

😮 yo. Fr. Not buckling having your own idea on how to tackle the problem is not wrong. They simply didnt wish for there to be any more hatred for the juggalos. Forget what they said about juggalos being gangs, its a lifestyle and a music. Its a feeling and its really a quite literal fresh coat of paint. Im only a juggalo for 3 years now but god damn i know favoritism when i see it. Icp lovers are being favorited like a mf and anyone who defended twiztid didnt. Even with a good explanation. Even this will probably be lost. But nevermind having hate. Real juggalos dont hate, unless at the very core, an action or person is was or has been evil in the worst way to deserve that. Like cheating or murder and other horrifying disgusting acts. But not refusing to marching with ICP. And even if they did march they probably were still gonna leave right after because they wanted to make magik ninja for years!!!

[@ItsAllGravy0123]

So technically the gov broke up psy records, dark lotus and rydas. The most powerful underground groups known to man. Shouts to the GODerment.

[@timothyjackson926]

They was afraid they was going get shutdown and harrassed and stop.making any money

[@inkredibill6352]

Twiztid are wrong for this one. They obviously don't care about their fans.

[@voteZDLR]

You think ICP does? I mean seriously though how they managed to get a fanbase that call each other "family" is completely and totally beyond me. Of all the ways Psychopathic and ICP got lucky, the fans that they attracted were a jackpot essentially. But there is a reason that Psychopathic can't hold onto artists, including Twiztid, to save their lives is their greed and business practices are pretty terrible. Whether it means charging people like $80 for a hoodie (and people will spend their entire fast food paycheck on stuff like this to buy it, keeping themselves poor and ICP rich) or charging people a premium for ice at the Gathering. They have good fans and I think that much happened almost entirely by accident for them, but they're not complaining. They've built the entire thing into their brand and they're making an insane, no pun intended, profit by doing so.

[@jonathanrebolloso5170]

@@voteZDLR spot.....on!!! I love ICP as much as anybody but they are businessman first. Entertainers second

[@waltercroley9300]

I promise you they do! I had been to dozens of ICP shows and never once did they ever let anyone other than groupies on their bus… Twiztid did during the Freekshow tour though.

[@lostvagabond365]

@@waltercroley9300 ive seen plenty of video of them hanging with male fans at the gathering..if youre into women youre not gonna let male groupies on the bus..put yourself in their shoes..money fame recognition ...nobody is going to make good choices all the time..

[@robublind]

Twiztid always been cool with me

[@patrickmcdonnell2067]

Twiztid has some great flows and sick beats but without ICP I would have never heard of them ninjas. Gotta stick with the Duke on this beef.

[@ac6903]

Adding more to the gossip mill. Watched a bootleg kev interview with violent j, made it sound like the beef was more personal than business related. Something about twiztid leaving was more or less amicable, they hated young wicked, but after he knocked up jumpsteady’s teenage daughter they kicked him to the curb and twiztid started collaborating with young wicked.

[@tb1753]

Yo what is this from I need more

[@brian7194]

The first ones down there?! Thats why he apologized for not going to the march

[@vicrules6666]

Jesus Christ how many juggalos have been arrested in these comments? Lol

[@boston27]

Eminem and ICP has beef for barely 5 years while this beef been now going on 7 plus years.

[@Joyce-r1f]

Im a juggalo and i was pulled over with my homies in slc on the way to a show painted up. Three undercover gang task trucks stoppwd us and added every single one of us to the gang registry including my mom who was our ride. From then on if anytime we get in trouble its strait to the gang pod with us. Fuck Twiztid. You were exposed to have our backs fam. I bought all your shit growing up even tho i was poor i still supported you. Even fighting shit talkers for you.

[@Ninjadad42]

Maybe burying any bs beef and making the BEST content with ICP isn't what they want. I guess the mid level success is better than being kings of the underground. I sure do miss the days of when Twiztid was the best at psychopathic and so was ICP...

[@jeremymccage9213]

Nailed it

[@LSSJTHOR]

Twiztid, Blaze, Boondox, ABK, Axe Murder Boys, R.O.C. all left Psychopathic Records and joined MNE. So I cant help but think ICP was the ones fucking their artists. And this is coming from a old school ex die hard juggalo.(Cultshit,Majik Ninja, Xuligan, LSP 4 life! ) Let's be real ICP should be proud of how they helped these artists but it's time for the momma BIRD to let her babies go gracefully. Y'all made your money back TENFOLD,more then you deserve. Let this stupid petty trash go! Your only hurting the fans! 🤘⛧💀⛧🤘 RIP GENO CUL⸸SHI⸸

[@julianbud7334]

What about young wicked.

[@MiguelPaulettePerez-bj8ml]

People can do what they want, but i cant help but question any parent who listens to or lets their children listen to ICP. I dont know if little kids singing along to Dead Body Man constitutes good decision making.

[@Leone_510__]

If you wear the hatchet man you in a gang, and yo ass better be ready to do that thang.

[@ItsRaven96]

But where's the queef?

[@OfficialJuggaloJesus]

Ask Blahzay.

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

Constant rumination just exacerbates it To the point where I can't even barely narrate it - vinnie paz

[@JayceeGenocide]

That's terrible Paz Man fell off

[@XThirdEyeX]

​@@JayceeGenocide How so?

[@coctimusprime1872]

ALL 🎩

[@TB3MARXII405]

2024 and juggalos are still called gang

[@alphamoose4385]

I believe Twiztid.

[@justingleason3950]

Well Monoxide has since apologized and said they should’ve marched so 🤷‍♂️

[@mike1989libra]

Lol

[@kevinglomlien4938]

Maybe they should watch united states of insanity

[@fedenciogonzalezjr9051]

ICP helped you with who u are in the rap game and when they ask you for some support 💯 on a moment you guys choose to not help ? Good friends you are.

[@daveidduha]

help what? it was a publicity stunt and twiztid wanted no part in it. icp was quick to turn their backs on so called "family"

[@brianbittermann9331]

I personally don't believe juggalos are a gang, but at the same time I'm not gonna wear the merch or get a hatchet man tattoo just incase something happens, I love icp. Haven't really listened to twizted or other group other then icp

[@erikseavey9445]

Twiztid is talented I'll give them that. Listen to "want to kill somebody" "they told me" and "we don't die" and see what you think.

[@snakeslave5888]

You do realize the current year is 2023 right?

[@ScottCh-dw7ig]

I like Twiztid. I do. But these guys would be working in a gas station or supermarket (not being insulting to anyone who does this) if it werent for ICP. Its fine to have a disagreement or a fallout. But show some fucking respect. Thats why ill never purchase anything with these dudes ever again.

[@pjtaintz]

Ive heard more trash from the twiztid side than the icp side for what its worth

[@toddbucci2912]

Didn't make no sense to me. They didn't answer the original question. I just listened to five mintues of bullshit. Why don't they just say they were done and wanted their own label and that's it? I don't think they are being honest at all.

[@benalfano4533]

Yea, I got a problem with that because it's bullshit! I live in Kansas, ok.. a home girl of mine's spot was raided by some county/city task force looking for an individual, he wasn't there but my home girl was she's got the hatchet man tat, icp posters, icp clothes ND bcuz of that she was detained ND was taken downtown for questioning by a KBI GANG TASKFORCE detective ND was put on a list! That was like 4 yrs ago ND still if she is stopped by any police they radio for another unit for "backup" after running her name! All bcuz she rocks the hatchet, Violent J ND Shaggy 2 Dope are not only 2 of the most legitimately Legendary dudes to have ever picked up the mic and without them y'all wouldn't even b a thought, they did so much for u ND that's ultimately how you show the love back in return..

[@jeremymccage9213]

Well put I'm in Tulsa okl

[@adamsifford6228]

ICP would have been f*?Kes without twiztid.

[@cordaroprue989]

I've been enterigated serversl times. It is real ppl think we're a gamg

[@psyclownz91]

by who? some dim, bored cops in a small town with nothing better to do?

[@jeffreysmith5230]

See you at house of blue's in March homies.

[@JaredGenesis444]

These dudes sound like some sellouts man. Respect to J for still grinding out there