Two Amazing And Obscure MMA Styles - Horting vs Kudo

[@dpeshy6719]

"Rukopashniy biy" not "horting" - it's just the rebranding of the old soviet hand-to-hand mma fighting system that had sambo, combat sambo, kickboxing/boxing, karate, judo all compiled into one discipline. "Rukopasjniy biy" literally translates as "hand-to-hand combat"

[@FightCommentary]

So the google translator I put it through might have translated it wrong. I'll pin your comment here so anyone else who speaks Ukrainian can elaborate on the original video's details.

[@badfoody]

Kudo guys are really scary. You see Kudo allows headbutts so during their tournaments they wear a face shield. Of course that makes breathing really freaking hard so their stamina is really high

[@Monke-fj2qz]

Honestly the more I look at martial arts the more I think that all styles are MMA or were at some point. Judo had striking, and karate was based on Okinawa wrestling. Muay Thai had far more wrestling when it was Muay Boran and even BJJ incorporated some basic striking(if you look back at Royce Gracie you can see him doing a sort of side kick to prep his opponent for a takedown). The idea that martial arts solely focus on one aspect of fighting (striking, grappling, wrestling, etc) seems to be a modern occurrence caused by sport rules.

[@FightCommentary]

Very likely!

[@otavionathanael7053]

I believe that these martial arts were meant to work properly in a fight, so they had to use more than one thing, or better saying anything they could use in a fight. Recently I found out that even aikido had strikes (atemi waza)

[@Rex-golf_player810]

Its probably true to some extent If we want to fight or self defend well, the most logical step is to learn more and more about every realm of fighting there is

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

Kudo (formerly Kakuto Karate or Fighting Karate) was created by a former practitioner of Kyokushin Karate named Takashi Azuma since 1981. That was several years before UFC 1 (November 12, 1993) so the Japanese was quite ahead in the development of mixed martial arts. But Japan's earliest example of mixed martial arts was Nippon Kempo (1932) which is also a mix of Karate, boxing and Judo except it is made of Okinawan Karate instead of Kyokushin Karate. They have some notable fighters in kickboxing and MMA such as Kenichi Osada, Semmy Schilt (heavyweight champion in K-1) and Hisaki Kato (Bellator MMA). From what I've seen, Kudo is essentially amateur MMA mixed with modern Budo for both MMA and TMA fans.

[@toyoseries]

Iirc, it says that this style also incorporate muay thai, jujitsu, and wrestling elements later on as it evolves throughout the years since it's creation.

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

@@toyoseries Yeah, they are open minded towards other fighting arts. I think Kudo deserves more recognition from the MMA community.

[@toyoseries]

​@@combatsportsarchive7632 Just imagine in this and silat got invited to UFC 1, they would've gotten more attention by now and give Gracie some trouble and probably won.

[@vicarious7858]

Name checks out.

[@Mustard_Dispenser]

Also formerly known as daido juku.

[@TheJadekungfu]

Kudo has its origin in kyukushin karate. From what I remember from a kyukushin karateka, the reason why they drop their hands is to create added torque in the kick and to block an attack from that side.

[@tonydismukes4409]

I believe that Kudo normally allows grabbing the gi to set up punches, sweeps, and throws. So wearing boxing gloves is probably a bit of a disadvantage for the Kudo fighter (assuming that he normally uses those tactics.)

[@rew7974]

You’re correct. The big difference with mma is that you have some standing techniques and standing game which blends gi holds with strikes. Also, while the striking is almost totally similar to Muay Thai, the clinch is a bit different due to the gi (and headbutts). What really doesn’t work for mma is the ground game, which is simple old school judo newaza with a ridiculous 30sec limits. So cross train is necessary

[@KingoftheJiangl]

A lot of guys drop their hands when they're just out of kick range. People who understands distance pretty well do this to give themselves a break or as a slight flex, like "i don't even need a guard"

[@gailvalleymartialarts]

Yes! There are some awesome MMA-like arts out there that are not so well known. Many people know about Combat Sambo these days, but there is also Combat Ju-Jutsu, Ju-Jitsu Full Contact, Ju-Jitsu Fighting System (although this has some weird rules and only light contact striking from a distance), Kampjujutsu, and maybe others.

[@gailvalleymartialarts]

Nippon Kempo is another one

[@FightCommentary]

Could you send some links? I’ll take a look! Appreciate the leads!

[@gailvalleymartialarts]

@@FightCommentary Sure! Here you go: Combat Ju-Jutsu event: watch?v=Ji9y8LG9tu0 (it would be very awesome to have English commentary for this sport!) Combat Ju-Jutsu highlights: watch?v=rHVbes_iQTU Ju-Jitsu Full Contact: watch?v=daK92ZiVRTY (fight), watch?v=JrQ3M2oYnfE (highlights). There is also a German version called "Allkampf": watch?v=MnUhWWwy9Bg Fighting System: watch?v=Z5sigH_bHcY (fight), watch?v=zrAqR3gI0wo (highlights of different disciplines - fighting system is the one where they wear the gloves # shin guards) Kampjujutsu: watch?v=t6n16pMUnh4, watch?v=dvijWgkrik8, watch?v=ZXAYrcX939Y (those are all sparring videos from belt tests) Nippon Kempo: watch?v=SPsTZSYa12A (You can also find more stuff like that in my "Gi MMA" playlist) Not in a gi, but in case you don't know it yet: Shootboxing has stand-up striking, standing submissions, and takedowns: watch?v=S68v6wQXj2k

[@robertmiller8110]

There was a Kudo Daidojuku school in HK.

[@YouCallThataKnife253]

The Horting fighter established the takedown early on, and then Kudo fighter was afraid of it for the rest of the match

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

I thought Kudo was widely known, with the "bubble fish tank helmets" and so. Kind of a gendai budo jujutsu. But I have to admit my starts in fighting arts were in Judo and later Karate so maybe it's just me.

[@toyoseries]

Despite the helmets, those matches have it's fair-share of gnarly knockouts.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

@@toyoseries Yep, helmets protect against cuts and skin swelling but NOT against concussions The vibration or jarring the brain suffers from impacts is made worst by helmets. I prefer skin deep injuries rather than brain injuries. Broken nose over brain damage philosophy.

[@trapperscout2046]

@@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 I think they also wear the helmets since headbutting is a thing in Kudo.

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

I love how varied Martial Arts can be. Even MMA, something you think we already know everything about. We find out new things everyday.

[@shadowfighter6445]

This is interesting, I've never heard of horting before. I gotta research this 🤔.

[@FightCommentary]

If you find anything cool, please either show me here or on IG or FB. Thanks man and appreciate your enthusiasm!

[@shadowfighter6445]

@@FightCommentary sure thing 🤓.

[@SeanLarsDogma]

I know Kudo since it was part of UFC 2. One of the guys whom Royce fought practiced Kyokushin and Kudo. Horting, I’ve just found out today because of your video. I tried to search here in KZbin but all I see are kids practicing it.

[@maivrei5077]

They have hp bars

[@Erime]

They need power up bar also for a super move - the kudo guy especially coulda used it - he's got the lore.

[@ComicusFreemanius]

Their production value is pretty great ngl

[@fuzz3339]

They should have just gone with the mma gloves so we could have seen some more showcase of moves from both styles. Good fight overall … great video 👍🏾

[@1individeo]

You forgot to mention that kudo normally includes headbutts, and also the video is a fight between a brown belt and a black belt...

[@StrumVogel]

Kudo has Judo throws and ground attacks in its system. This rule set nerfd Kudo’s effectiveness.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Can't agree more. Was going to comment something similar.

[@MrTheil]

Don’t forget headbutts.

[@hypnoticskull6342]

Still shouldn't be an excuse. Yeah, headbutts arent allowed, but still lol

[@KingoftheJiangl]

What kind of gloves do thet use? MMA?

[@hypnoticskull6342]

@@KingoftheJiangl They use a different kind of gloves, but it's basically MMA gloves

[@natejames3299]

I've commented before. I believe you and I should start a weekly podcast.

[@abrahemsamander3967]

Never heard of horting before. Sounds cool.

[@sirpibble]

I like that kudos competitions use a combination of height + weight to determine weight class That dampens weight cutting abuse 6'2"? You're not fighting at 155

[@monarch1651]

Unfortunately that is a huge downside for small framed tall guys like myself. Im 6'3 and after nearly a decade of bjj and average weight training I weigh in the mid 170s. When I get back from hiking trips usually drop several pounds so I could easily make 155 with just a camp and skipping dinner the night before weigh ins. There are a lot of different kinds of freaks of nature, most aren't very useful at all lol

[@HeathenRides]

@@monarch1651 I had similar issue as junior but at age 15 I just decided to put on weight and train really hard trough the rest of my puberty to use that hormone production to get big and strong when I came in high enough weight class i had to change stuff like shelling up to just move my head out of the way instead, because we could suddenly all knock each other out trough the guard it changes everything. Being tall is a big advantage because you can very easily knee shorter guys in the head in the infigthing and clinching range while they can barely kick above your shoulders, So you have a massive advantage specifically if competing in such low weight classes you wouldn't need much technical skills to ragdoll trough a lot of competitions maybe you did already. Just move up to average weight for your size.. Even it will be harder to dominate and win you will develop so much more as an athlete.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I have never practiced Horting formally, i only know what other practitioners have taught me and what i could find outside of actual classes, i really did not expect this art to appear on this channel. I did think that the art could gain popularity because Ukraine has been in the spotlight for a while, but it seems like that will not happen.

[@HanniSeidenba0525]

Hands up, gentlemen. Defend yourself all time.

[@_aquila21_nb_3]

How can u do Judo takedowns with that gloves

[@obiwanquixote8423]

What's up with the health bars on the side for each fighter?

[@mengmao5033]

i'm guessing it's wired up to electronic scoring by the judges. Or at least I hope it's correlated to official scoring and not just the production team.

[@M3124-t5f]

Trained kudo, boxing gloves do limits at some degree. Not allowing headbutts is also a thing

[@scaredycart4232]

kudo is not just karate boxing, its like MMA have throw like judo and jiujitsu

[@hypnoticskull6342]

I don't think the Kudo dude got informed on the rules properly. I think they wanted the Horting dude to win

[@mtbalot]

I swear they all look like Charlie Zee in that country, the true GOAT.

[@DanTheWolfman]

Now I Want some Tim Hortons Coffee but Canada is far away.. thanks a lot 😂 if it's Ukrainian event big surprise if Ukrainian system Fighter had more experience

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@andrewk.5575 I'm not sure I'd go that far...

[@clarkme8952]

Why do they wear Gi for this? They can't grab with gloves

[@HanniSeidenba0525]

They told me Kudo is Kyokushin and Judo.

[@saddiqstevens7200]

Hey bro can you do one with kudo vs boxer with mma rules? Great content.

[@neokimchi]

kudo has gi grabs so big gloves def is a weird choice

[@FightCommentary]

I’m so glad you saw this. I was gonna ask you about kudo and the other kyokushin match. Let’s get you in a segment soon if I look at more kyokushin or kudo. Would love to see you show something from the systems that casuals don’t know about.

[@lelieutenant7386]

I love "hurting" lol but I think Kudo has more behind than this guy shows off.

[@paulbernal07]

I don´t see any Kudo on the "Kudo" guy, definitely not at brown belt level. Blue belt level maximum maybe, horrible fight.

[@theheralds4619]

Kudo should be allowed to headbutt

[@jasonrandall5148]

The original Karate was MMA it was kicks punches judo Jujitsu aikido.

[@gurugeorge]

Yeah. In fact, as I understand it, nearly all the East Asian styles were essentially MMA, just with differing emphases. For example a fair number of Chinese styles incorporate some Shuai Jiao, as well as some joint-locking techniques that are common property across all CMA, similarly, Tan Tui (kicking and conditioning for kicking) is both a style of its own and is incorporated into most CMA. It's rather similar to the way BJJ and MT have been incorporated into various Western styles - they eventually become a kind of shared, common property. Even if you go back to Okinawan Karate's Chinese predecessor, Southern Crane, it's the same - very much a mixed style. The fact that mixing up throwing, wrestling, striking and ranges seemed like some new marvelous thing in the 1970s and 1980s was an artifact of the early sportification of Western MA (plus analogous developments in Japan, from where Westerners first got the first real taste of Eastern MA via former US military, etc). (Although Savate is probably the earliest historical incorporation of Eastern kicking styles into a Western style - I vaguely recall that Savate initially evolved from a loose street-fighting style that developed among French sailors who had picked up various bits and bobs in their voyages East, though that might be apocryphal :) ) In the West, you had the primary split between boxing and wrestling, and their subsequent sportification, quite early, some time after the Renaissance and the large-scale incorporation of guns into military combat. Narrowing down the ranges and techniques makes for a better, more focused spectator sport (as the MMA crowd keeps rediscovering :) ), essentially; it's also easier to train kids in villages in cut-down, focused styles, just to keep up peoples' health and combative spirit (again, it's similar in the West and East - Shuai Jiao is common for strapping young village lads to do in China for fun, same as Wrestling used to be in the UK). Then when you re-join those split things, it becomes "MMA." But if you look at the old Western Mediaeval/Renaissance manuals, it was all mixed up - in particular, wrestling and striking moves (e.g. elbow) were an integral part of even melee combat with weapons. And it was the same in East Asia (and probably the same in India, though I don't know much about Indian MA). In Japan, the idea of a "style" didn't really come in until Judo and Karate were developed - prior to that, there was just a distinction between the older, formalized weapon forms (the various "Kyu," or "schools") and what was generally called jiu-jitsu, which was just striking/throwing techniques that were common property, part native Japanese, part imported from China, which could also be used for self-defense in civilian life. In China, it was a similar situation - the idea of "styles" being special, distinct things, came more from the romantic Wuxia novels (as exemplfied in kungfu movies), where a "style" would be something the wise old sage could give you in a book he handed to you, that you accepted reverently. None of that is real: what actually existed in China was a smorgasbord of common techniques in all ranges, with different locales (clans, villages, regions) having different variations of combination, and slight variations on "secret" training methods (the famous "qi" business - mainly to do with fascia conditioning and breath/pressure conditioning, which if trained from a young age, can give a bit of extra edge). To put this another way, "single" styles that emphasize just striking or just wrestling or just throwing, are an artifact of a fairly narrow period (say from about the 19th century to the mid-20th century); mixtures of techniques and ranges have always been far more common, in both Western and Eastern MA.

[@testname9121]

I looked up the Cyrillic spelling of Horting and it is "Хортинг", which leads me to believe that you are pronouncing it correctly (at least in an American fashion). Sometimes the English translation of Ukrainian words that have a "g" sound (" Г ") is spelled with an "h" when transliterated to English but is actually pronounced like a "g" in Ukrainian.

[@ProdigiousReturn]

Kudo needs its helmet and light gloves. Without that it’s been limited. How can they head butt and grapple. This is just glorified k1 kickboxing

[@toyoseries]

Imagine a match with either one of these guys going against a silat fighter.

[@Joelvel]

Silat fighter will get wrecked.

[@fernandosulantay]

I am a Kudoka if someone has questions ^^

[@monarch1651]

How do you keep a garden hose from kinking if you don't have something round to wrap it around?

[@Ghostrider-jh5jp]

Now I don't know exactly how it works, but you learn many techniques of other martial arts ?

[@fernandosulantay]

@@Ghostrider-jh5jp yes, kudo is a Japanese MMA, basically the same as normal MMA but with a headgear (to allow headbutts) and a GI to improve grappling (for example grabbing the neck or clothes and hitting or using more "street fight techniques". Now, to answer your question, yes, we train techniques from separate martial arts, for example, we do 1 hour of only matches of grappling (BJJ normally) as the warm up for the class, then on Tuesday we practice striking for another hour and at the end sometimes we do kudo matches, the same on Thursday except that after the grappling matches we do a grappling class, then on Saturday we do whatever the teacher wants us to do. Normally for striking we increase the intensity gradually to warp up sparring, the first round is only boxing with punches to the body, the next round is kickboxing to the body, and then after warming up punches and kicks we allow blows to the head, then you can do kickboxing or Muay Thai style of fighting or just kudo adding grappling in between, but that depends if you got all the gear and both people want to and everything

[@Ghostrider-jh5jp]

@fernandosulantay do they allow strikes in a ground fight like knee strikes?

[@desmondburton1773]

You keep saying unique system as of MMA. This is actual MMA not a unique variant lol.

[@RedKing64]

Kudo Guys know how to grapple, this one ... not...

[@toyoseries]

Kinda hard to do so with those big ass pillows on their hands.

[@RedKing64]

@@toyoseries yet the other guy took him down with ease.... For me there are just Kudo guys that are much much better, this one seemed more like a standar karateka.