Two Of The Highest Ranked Stormgate Players Just Clashed

[@dujek948]

Very cool match, interesting to see infernal being the race that is sitting back and trading efficiently while vanguard takes the whole map. I thought for sure vanguard would win with that many bases

[@pupper5580]

yeah, same - I thought Vanguard won that game for sure. But nope, I just didn't have a clue. Vanguard seemed OP and unbeatable with their mobility.

[@leoritchie9635]

I've yet to see Vangard win at a high level. This is the closest ive seen

[@elmoguroyt]

The problem was army composition, if he had transitioned to Vulcan- med tech with atlas and hedgehog support he wins 100% the AOE mechanical healing from the medtech and mass vulcan is just ludacris against anything infernal can use, plus, the dash ability can actually save the vulcan from the pull or get them close enough to not care about the weaver pulll

[@odycz]

@@elmoguroyt Why INF had mostly big single-entity units why would you build splash units. Agains this many weavers i dout it is even possible to micro against it.

[@elmoguroyt]

@@odycz Big single entity units with a legion of gaunts underneath them, im not talking bio comp + 4 vulcans, im talking 8 vulcans all with the medtech mech buff, and exo/lancer, u research vulcan dash, and the weaver pull defeats its purpose, since u win by legit statchecking and gap closing every single vulcan to the frontline, also there is no such thing as big single entity comps with infernal, it doesnt work, you need either meat shields or DPS, every single large unit from infernals (not counting magmadon) are pretty much useless on their own

[@patrickjanotta7652]

Really enjoyed the game. But one mechanic I hope improves is map movement and multi pronged attack or attacks from multiple angles. Right now it feels like the armies just bump head to head. There certainly is a cool push pull going on. But I'd love to see players sneak a counter attack. Or for infernal to get a good wrap around with Mags and hit a huge trample. Right now all the infernal units just derp on each other. Makes me appreciate army movement and multi tasking in SC2 more. Maps felt bigger and watching players dace their armies around sometimes each in 2 or 3 groups is awesome. I'm thinking late game PvZ where Zerg and Protoss are constantly trading bases and repositioning just trying to find a gap in the defenses. This feels like there is no maneuverability, especially for the infernal.

[@user-kg8id]

Zerospace is better!

[@bowserificB]

Tasteless: Ive been playing a lot of this game but…I can’t remember the names of any of the buildings or the units or the upgrades.😂

[@GonzaloLozano-mb2sr]

I think fights taking long, allowing for reinforcements, tactics like flanking with flaming imps and just test your endurance is a very positive thing. Fights in Sc2 lasting for 2 seconds and then gg was a major problem for that game

[@fredwin]

It's ridiculous, but it does raise the skill level even higher for professional players.

[@PhthaloBlue42]

i do like how units can affect the terrain, like removing trees to open up a new path to a fight @10:56 at this stage of the beta, don't wanna see any nerfs, just go sicko mode and make every race OP as possible. balance will happen naturally the more fun the game is to play and more tools each race has

[@DarkScreamGames]

lord no this isnt a moba, its an rts units need sharp strengths and sharp weaknesses last patch vanguard car was too strong, this patch internal fireball man might be too strong

[@ggzii]

It's no different to breakable rocks

[@laurelkeeper]

@@ggzii It is, though -- only workers and certain units can break the trees.

[@mojolotz]

Eh there's a few things that are definitely up to change. The starting doggo for instance is kinda wack.

[@Xenomorphin1]

Good thing you aren't a game designer

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

This game was sick. It's better than some high lvl sc matches I have seen over a decade of watching sc. The game has a lot of promise and tier 3 units and balancing isn't done yet.

[@VinxEMP]

so awesome seeing TASTELESS narrate this. this could be huge for SC2 and RTS, lets hope it gets the momentum it needs! all we need now is Day9 to come out, and Idra to be a playable Infernal Host character

[@wimmywozzle778]

This game was amazing. I thought Luci had Theory on the back foot the whole time, like Theory literally didn't leave his half of the map forever. I thought he was just gonna get grinded down, but damn, he did it. The weavers are better at tanking than I realized, they were key.

[@Marcus-ei8jm]

I think it’s important to note Theory’s microing indiviudal weavers to consume for increased sustain. I imagine its quite difficult to find fiends/imps to feast efficiently.

[@skiks3562]

I am really liking the slower pace of combat and greater variety of unit ranges. It makes it easier to appreciate the push and pull of fights. I'm looking forward to seeing how it shapes up as more stuff gets added.

[@firebal6129]

What an incredible game! It was so back and forth the entire time, it made for an exciting match! I've been really enjoying the beta so far, here's to the full release!

[@NightRitual]

I just wanna add that I love that the engagements don't in 15 seconds with everything dead. The battles are great!

[@reddre453]

The problem with this game is that we hoped for SC3 but we got SC1.5

[@sebastianrohl3801]

Thank you Tastless. Your casting is such a pleasure, and this new game is exciting.

[@Boots43096]

Bear in mind all of that effort infernal had to do managing all kinds of different units and abilities and all vanguard had to do was basic stutter step micro, and it took infernal 24 minutes to wear it down. It's worth noting the vanguard player never tried multi-prong harass or drops, and with how slow weavers and hellborne are, the game would likely be unwinnable for infernal if he had done that. Infernal was never able to take map control, never able to pressure expansions, and never ACTUALLY broke through vanguards army until he had 2 dragons. He barely eeked out a win but he WAS on the backfoot the entire game in every sense of the word, and frankly his victory felt lucky.

[@patrickjanotta7652]

Yeah VG could have done some drops with exos on a few of the expansions.

[@Onlyon2]

Interested to see how the faction mechanics evolve over the next year. Also curious what mechanics the third faction will bring.

[@oldiesol6625]

Even though I've never gone past SC1 and WC3, watching this game was an enjoyable experience. Thank you for the cast!

[@NightRitual]

This was fun to watch. I've been having a lot of fun playing. I've decided to accelerate my learning because I've been getting my ass kicked left and right just winging it.

[@jfmgunner]

After playing the beta, one little take away is the reminder that KZbin 1080 makes the game seem way lower resolution and graphical quality than the reality, which is actually really good, especially for a beta build.

[@Jokerowley]

Awesome! Such an exciting time for RTS

[@matthewmunholland517]

Great match. Theory is insane

[@leoritchie9635]

10 workers is more efficient. But 12 is just more money. I'd rather more money 14 might be 2 extra to account for builders. Or i wonder if the extra 2 mine more since there would be less walking

[@zj10]

Bruh when he's talking about the dragon mechanics i lost it 🤣🤣

[@michaelwood3607]

I love to see a more intense game with smart plays for the first time 😊 and the commentary to point it out ❤ Not playing it yet. This gets me exited!

[@IndomitusEsports]

Lucifron was also a wc3 pro :)

[@Lost_Hwasal]

Infernals seem similar to zerg in that they can sit back and chill for most of the game and aggression is up to the opponent. Its hard to say if they are the stronger race based on this match alone, obviously there are ladder stats to make that conclusion on. But it sounds like there needs to be a lot of thought process on how to control and hinder your infernal opponent better.

[@solarsoul1617]

you should see my face when the cheap doggo emoji kicked in

[@heyyo7082]

yeah I don't know. it just looks really meh to me, the engagements last longer sure, but I don't really see too much micro happening other than some repositioning? almost all the engagement looks identical

[@commentator6072]

Insane game. Looking forward to more casts

[@AB-rh6gh]

lucifron vs theory for the algorithm

[@note4note804]

Admittedly I know very little about this game or its development, but watching this just felt like watching Starcraft 2 Terran vs Zerg. What besides MOBA camps is making this something unique enough from Starcraft 2 that would make it worth buying?

[@elidhx6635]

EXTRA-PROFESSIONAL and HIGH-SKILLED TOP-TIER MASTERS LEAGUE CONTESTANTS BATTLE in PERFECT LADDER DEATHMATCH GRAND MASTERS FINAL HARD EXTREME 100% FRAME-PERFECT FINALS

[@lordhelix1458]

GAME OF THE YEAR

[@StreamerBS]

Everyone thought infernal was zerg. But is infernal actually going to be protoss? Sit on fewer bases but your army comp is just so efficient it doesn't matter?

[@DarkScreamGames]

neither is just an sc2 race. vanguard is terran + human, infernal is zerg + undead, and the third race, still a mystery

[@ppgButtercup300]

Infernal is more like UD than they are Zerg

[@Spazz4170]

@@ppgButtercup300 bro hasn't played wc3 if you think that.

[@leoritchie9635]

Ive yet to see Vangard win in high level play. Infernals are so good at turning the tides with infest it's crazy. You lose a unit then before you know it your whole army has been replaced with fiends working for your enemy. The hellborn having so much range and the abilty to keep moving unlike the atlas lets them sit back and pot shot for infinite value. I the exo ball really needed some more tanky units in the front to keep them alive like the lancers. Trying to manage hedgehogs for anti air is alot of work and i dont think worth it with the exos. The siege tanks the same but they offer more reward so a vit more focus on them probably would have helped.

[@piet521]

if this is t2 endgame ... what is t3 ? xD i enjoy this stuff so mutch ! great video

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

We went from terran deathballs to vanguard deathballs, how exciting. /s

[@pauladamkim]

Double dragon... all the way.... so intense....

[@movntn]

Insane match! Would love to see more lucifron games 🎉

[@Hexomickey]

Tastosis Stormgate cast!!!!

[@TheRealCalPerr]

they did some in Atlanta

[@AloofOof]

great game it felt like it went back and forth a lot

[@babochee]

every late game like this devolves to mass hellborn into 2 dragons and a gg. I have yet to see it lose.

[@GonzaloLozano-mb2sr]

Brutes and gaunts need some upgrades to make them viable late game. They just become useless

[@TerrannotOP]

I played at least 40 games total, about 50% win rate. I think its fun but its a water down version of sc2 beta 14 years ago. There are so many categories they need to improve on. Maps, fight duration, i think the balance is fine. Maps are really the worst part for me

[@Dexiefy]

As a former sc/w2/w3/sc2 player i have incredibly hard time convincing myself to play this game. I tried the open beta, just few games against AI and it feels off(more like pre alpha than beta honestly). It's like a mix of sc and w3, but the graphics are awful, animations are horrible, ui is dogshit, sound effects are atrocious and that wannabe zerg creep is just... holy fuck, does anyone there has eyes? It honestly feels like a game made by couple of friends rather than those who created giants like starcraft or warcraft. That being said, sc2 in alpha looked about as shit as this and it turned out pretty ok. I honestly hate the idea of this fucking dog being available right at the start and having ability to turn on 'flying vision'. The idea of creep camps is also dumb as shit. It worked in w3 because of heroes gaining xp and items, it made sense. In here its just... pointless. They at all cost try to make sc and w3 hybrid and i somehow feel like its a mistake(speaking of 1v1 ofc). The slower nature of combat is nice to see after way too fast sc2 combat but at the same time i fear it will often turn engagements into pull back fests like in w3 which made them extremely boring to watch. 9:28 also shows another issue, look at the 2 towers just hitting that lancer and basically doing nothing - how is that interesting thing to watch? Also looking at people from old blizz games and at their reactions it seems to be mixed reception at best as well. i really want to like this game but FGS has A LOT of work in front of them to turn this turd into something decent.

[@lombasto]

Agree completely, especially on the animations and sound. This game already has a very mixed reception, and once the newness wears off it'll take a nose-dive into obscurity. Clearly lacks passion and is just a "Great Value" Starcraft 2. I don't know why the developers thought this was the answer... it all comes off as pretty tone deaf. That being said, I'm sure Tasteless and others are getting paid to promote the game for now so at least they get that.

[@andrewadams530]

Love this content! Keep it up!

[@RMJ1984]

They need to change the infernal units to be more about fire and infernal and then they need to add a forth race and use some of these units, make it a bug / undead / nerubian race, because some of those units would be perfect for such a race.

[@KeithFoster-c2u]

Currently, visually the units are way too similar looking. but im ready for the game. thumbs up

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

The dogs are one of the worst ideas to ever put in a RTS. Its just annoying, its never interesting to get harassed immediately and if you never have a random spawn location on a map its just adding fuel to that issue. This game needs quite some work to round up these plainly annoying problems.

[@superpantman]

I've been a starcraft player and fan for over 10 years. This is the first Stormgate content I've watched. I didn't understand what was happening and I got bored very quickly and stopped watching after about 4 minutes. Please don't take this as a toxic comment, I'm trying to give you my honest feedback. This isn't a criticsm of you personally as a content creator. I'm just saying that there was nothing for me to keep watching because I didn't understand the significance of anything that was happening. Whilst I appreciate I could go off, learn the game and come back I would also add you're probably getting thousands of viewers like me who might be watching stormgate on your channel for the first time so I just want to provide genuine first impression feedback.

[@whynow4306]

I wish RTS would have dmg range instead of set dmg. For example marines can do 5-7 dmg. It would create many interesting outcomes and scenarios.

[@bigalharris]

Thank you Tasteless. Epic game!

[@djentonly6623]

HISTORY IN THE MAKING!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@PhthaloBlue42]

my favorite stormgate dessert is Luci-flaN

[@mathieutaillefer8418]

What worri a me most is the visual fidelity and the boring micro. Unit pathing is too much like Sc2. It doesn't look like unit s have any turn rate or anything that really makes them feel unique (think dragoons, cultures, probes and how different they all feel) For me it's still gonna be BW and Wc3. I'm really trying to keep an open mind here. So far I'm liki g Zero Space a bit more because at least it's something totally different

[@bryansweeney3077]

It strikes me as too deathball-y right now, at least in this match. Which is weird, considering that I love WC3, and often you keep your whole army together there as well. I think it just doesn't /feel/ like a deathball in WC3 because the micro in the fights is so interesting

[@Yayadays111]

@@bryansweeney3077definitely agrees, extremely death ball and barely any interesting micro happening while things are just trading out

[@yksnidog]

Feels like first days of StarCraft II: Nice to watch but would feel more like work than fun when paying myself. So sad these games where developed with esports in mind rather than all the casuals. If a long experienced pro like you @Tasteless_TV can't figure out what's going on what will a family father after 8 hours work with around 3 hours gaming a week feel in multiplayer? So I think Stormgate will also have a lifespan of around 4 years before slowly getting forgotten from the masses and staying with fans only. All while Starcraft 1 still exists. Because it was made with casuals in mind too. Or what do you think?

[@vranberry]

[@TheRealCalPerr]

more top ladder stormgate casts thanks tassels

[@mrpipper7271]

Loved this, very cool

[@FlokiTech]

Why isn't he making Vulcans? I feel like you cannot win big lategame fights without them.

[@bobsagget4061]

crazy game

[@macariuswrench]

The saddest part about how half-baked Stormgate is in it's current form is seeing a bunch of RTS fans throw themselves at the game, what a total lack of self respect and self control they must have to be this attached to any kind of representation of the RTS genre. Frost Giant had their chance to release a compelling and interesting product and instead they've shown they are just lighting cigars with 500 dollar bills and slamming their nose in the "sugar bowl". Chance blown, this games gonna be dead on arrival.

[@nectarpeach2853]

Players must reject any form of Warp-Gate mechanic in Stormgate, it keeps Protoss permanently crippled in SC2, and would be stupid to bring that cancer mechanic to Stormgate or any other RTS.

[@alanparks3402]

as amazing a mechanic as it is, you're right

[@nectarpeach2853]

@@alanparks3402 I agree it's cool as hell, but it ruins distance, one of the most important aspects of RTS balance. As a Protoss player I understand very well how it's a double-edged sword, it's definitely neat, but forces a heavy handicap on my units because making these units appear anywhere on a map is too broken.

[@niksatan]

graphics in this game doesn't seem "right" for me, can't explain it, but i don't see as clearly as i see starcraft 2 action, for example

[@AndrescrowGaming]

Why didn’t he get Vulcans?

[@mynameisforrest]

This one is going to be interesting :)

[@Wardenlw]

the ads taking up screenspace makes this borderline unwatchable

[@qspec2002]

I've not played yet. What's the counter to early dogs? They seem pretty oppressive.

[@mcbrite]

I just can't get over how unprofessionally done it looks... Starcraft is ancient now, yet the graphics are so much better, more fitting, scaled nicer, sim city... Base looks like a base, not like weird budget PC game from 20 years ago...

[@Fede.i.M.]

I swear to god make it korean go 1.5x speed

[@ZennZennster]

Game looks cool

[@lombasto]

This game looks pretty budget tier, it doesn't have the polish or production values of past games. The animations are really janky and the sound design is really amateur and even annoying at times (SCOUT's howl ability). As a game it doesn't do anything new for the genre. It's unfortunate but I think it's looking like we'll have to accept that this isn't even close to being the game to take RTS forward and that we will be sticking with SC for a while.

[@chasecollins5958]

Keep in mind that the game is in beta, starcraft wasn't any better when it was in beta

[@vy1585]

Interesting game way too many obs features lacking

[@iandecisive]

Game sound a little loud

[@desuburinga]

Call me crazy but I'm already enjoying big battles a lot more than SC2

[@elisabetracing]

It looks like a mobile version of starcraft. Is this the best 2024 rts games can do ;(

[@thirion1850]

So the infernal player was contained for 90% of the game and then just wins because he sat on dragon cooldowns long enough? That seems... a little silly.

[@CoL_Drake]

what they rly need to focus on for promotion is to have an working UI in replay with supply and upgrades and all ... because watching replays right now feels so bad xD

[@nihlify]

No, they don't rly need to focus on that lol. It will be there eventually, the game is far off release

[@odycz]

Vanguard army isnt that mutch faster only Hellborne and Weavers are slower than VG bio army but if you want to use Atlas and Vulcans there is almost no speed difference. VG had 2 more bases the whole game and couldn't win. Why? because IN has an advantage in close fighting in magmadons, imps and shadow flayes and a long range advantage in Weavers, Hellborne and Dragons. The only real counter to these units is to get under them with bio but you can't because of IN close-range splash dmg . VG desperately needs something like a Weavers unit that can deal with single entity units at range. Or the Hellborne needs a change mobile long range splash unit is just silly. How mutch more restrictions have atlas? You need to be sieged and opponent can see where the shots will land.

[@jnor]

How can this look worse than its 14 year old sc2

[@JM-pq1rs]

Why does it look worse than SC2?

[@dangthinh90]

Bland gameplay seriously!

[@nfcheeze]

I could've swore you were only allowed to get one dragon!

[@jonny5714]

With all units having half hp and only 1 dragon this would be alot more balanced and faster paced which would be alot more fun to watch in my opinion. Maybe make all the units faster moving too.

[@chrissmithdoe2100]

stormgate looks like a mobile game

[@HeautontimorumenosEx]

I want this game be epic, but for now it looks like SC2 in slow motion, is that good? I do not know why they refuse to limit the units you can take, like in BW you can only select 12 units, this means that we can have small army fights but in more places, I dont like the dynamic that we have for SC2 and in this game when the entire army fight. You can see how the armies cant even move correctly because there's a lot of them in tiny spaces, the fight will be better if small armies fight in space where they can be micro-ed and move more freely.

[@QuintemTA]

Yes, while I love Starcraft 2, it's battles can just end in seconds sometimes. It's not AS slow as Warcraft 3, sometimes things in Stormgate die really fast. Feel like they're going for some kind of middle ground where early to mid game you can micro and late game battles are a bit more decisive but not an instant explosion AoEs wiping out everything. Limited unit selection is very much a weird Blizzard thing and archaic. Even older RTS games let you select more units that Blizzard's old games. SC2 followed modern trend of not limiting things. It's not fun for casual play or new players. Having 10 control groups of units trying to clunkily move them around. As for unit movement and pathing. I think it's not working very well currently. Units sometimes path worse than Warcraft 3 and units often lose sight of and/or attack the wrong targets in the games I've played even though there should be room.

[@kinoblues6050]

Double dragon seems like a design mistake Kapp

[@silverslasher7477]

Brown lost at 10mins

[@silverslasher7477]

Imm sorry??

[@bobdolespen]

Stormgate sure is unfun to watch and unfun to play, IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT!

[@Tenoke]

Vanguard had more bases for the entirety of the game and still lost to Infernal. Good play but infernal are too strong right now.

[@HelloImTuneli]

As a zerg player that is just part of life for me, the races are not meant to act identically.

[@elidhx6635]

dont you love it when you enter a PvP and then you battle creeps

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

weak bait

[@BananenbaumEY]

man, starcraft 0.5 looks really "great". xD

[@garyzboril6352]

How are they ranked when we can't even play??????? Lame

[@TheNasties]

.

[@saltiney8578]

This game is just too derivative of sc2 just looks kinda meh

[@yrQmem]

its so much wc3 and no sc at all. I dont like this game.

[@chaddt]

Holy shit you’re right

[@erikouwehand]

I prefer wc3 so I love it.

[@sergiopabzu6692]

The state of the game is bad (And yes, I am quite aware that it is in a early stage of development). Extremely unbalanced. Just saw Uthermal talked about it on Twitch. Inferansl are waaaay to OP.

[@CoL_Drake]

yes ... and ???? the tier3 units aint in the game, infernal just got a new unit 2 weeks ago that isnt balanced at all and so on ... balance is just not importent right now. yes infernals are op but people like lucifron can still do 90% winrate with vanguard so ... its good enough for an early build i would balance not even call state of the game at this point this data is a good point to balance the game around PS: calling balance out on a replay where a guy with a 90% winratio loses is also very strange

[@REDRUMXXX]

Doesn't mean you can't win as vanguard against them. They were DESIGNED to have a leading edge

[@sergiopabzu6692]

@@REDRUMXXX what kind of argument is that? "Yes, the game is broken and completely unbalanced, but you can win if you try really hard and believe in yourself".

[@nihlify]

Moronic to call the state of the game bad when you even admit it's early stage development. Are you so stupid to think they'll focus on balance when there's so much left to implement in the game? If you want them to stop and balance the game after each unit they add you'll literally won't see this game for another 10 years in retail... If you can't handle watching the development process, don't' fucking watch until it's out.

[@lucianocortes8636]

Who cares, this will flop, the level of interest is already pretty low. They went too safe and if you want to bring in new non rts players this is not the way.

[@expandeux]

garbage game . mindless copy paste from starcraft 2 .

[@karolflis187]

Wow, this just seems unablanced AF.

[@XCygnusX]

1st

[@TheLoneSealPup]

crazy game