Two Overlooked Karate Takedowns! Funakoshi’s Fumi-Kiri and Nodo-Osae

[@ttaylor9242]

so at 57, having being learning Karate (mainly Shotokan, a bit of WadoRyu, a bit of Shukokai, a bit of JiuJitsu, a bit of Aikido and a bit of Kendo) I'm not too old, or too arrogant, to have my eyes opened and my cup emptied. Many thanks for your insight

[@chrisponce8303]

Thank you! Karate is so rich! The more I learn MMA BJJ and Wrestling the more I realize how much karate had in its arsenal of technic and knowledge. Thank you for uncovering this information. Oss!

[@spacecadet35]

On that last throw, don't forget to restomp the groin as you depart :) Other than that, lovely. I use the first throw all of the time. Very simple and, very effective.

[@bobsmitty2119]

That was an ankle pick at 3:39. Very effective, and practical. Nice video.

[@GelatinousShark]

So there is a very similar throw to the Nodo-Osae in Eight Step Praying Mantis, and it’s one of my favorite throws. Except instead of picking up the leg with the right hand, I’ll hook up my left leg and “pick up” their leg (since my left leg should already be stepping through the opponent’s legs at this point) and then switch to carrying it with my right hand.

[@mark11145]

Nice applications. Great research. I had always thought there were two variations to Node-Ose. The first version was the leg grab shown in the picture, which I had mistakenly thought was catching a kick. The second version was in the writeup and was a throat grab take down executed with hiki-te of the left hand while the right hand forces the throat back. Once the opponent is stretched out and you have moved in with your right foot; your left foot steps behind your right to assist with creating the twist from the hips which pulls the opponent around and down as you finish in shiko dachi. (Note the opponent can be held tight to your body and come over your thigh in Shiko dachi or loosely and spin around you at a distance.) I always liked this 2nd version because it is fast, simple and very effective.

[@DevilDogMartialArts-]

On the first throw, I find in sparring I don’t get a lot of takedowns off it since people can often backstep out of it, but if you anticipate this you can follow it up with a side kick and this has a much higher success. On the ankle pick, I usually find it best to set up from an overhand right. Usually I turn the other way so I do it more like a deashi barai, rather than kouchi gari, as that throw can get you arm barred if you aren’t careful. I really like the uchi mata follow up to ankle picks as well

[@edwardglenn9310]

The Node Osae throw was my fave from the session you gave us at GMA in March Iain. Simple and aggressive! Great to have this video as a reminder.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

That was a fun day, and "Throat Press" was the first one we did if I remember right. Great thing about that takedown is that, even if it fails, you still hit him in the throat :-)

[@bunkaiking]

Every karateka in the world should be subscribing to this channel. This man changed my whole mentality on what karate is all about.

[@MustaKahavi]

Was great to be part of this seminar, interesting throwing techniques also the DVD was superb! Waiting for the next volume. Thank you!

[@Wagyu_Jubei]

Fumi-Kiri type takedowns are quite common in Penjak Silat as well. The way you executed it reminded me of Kuntao-silat

[@uwerehnert4637]

Hello Ian, I really like your interpretation and I am completely with you. Greetings from Germany (5. Dan Shotokan)

[@mark11145]

Excellent research! I also note that a version of Fumi-Kiri exists right within Passai Dai kata. Also the application shown with the ankle catch requires overbalancing the opponent backward as shown. The throat wrist variation is overbalancing the opponent forward. Drawing them in. In this manner of Node-Osa the right hand receives to a left hand hiki-te. This draws the opponents balance forward. The right hand strike to the throat drives the head back causing 1)breaking spinal alignment to disrupt balance and 2) elongating the arm stretched between hiki-te at your hip and your other hand at their neck. Once in this position the same turning motion as the ankle catch throws the opponent. I see two different applications in the research. Throat to foot and throat to hand. Both very affective and simple. Wonderful stuff Iain.

[@mark11145]

@verifyyouare18or I was taught that first move is a two step with the second step faster than the first (I think that is the skip forward you are referring to). One application is to use this to throw off a charging attacker's timing. Start slowly and the attacker gauges the closing of the gap, then you swiftly close and engage him. Especially effective against an overhead or neck striking sword attack when combined with the next two movements. How to tell you where in the kata the Fumi-Kiri moment is......?? Here we go. Hope this makes sense. The Fumi-Kiri movement as taught to me by Sensei Seikichi Iha in the Passai Dai kata (my style is Okinawan, I know it's Bassai Dai for Japanese styles), is where you are standing tall with both feet together and you make a stepping out foot movement into a back stance which is then followed by a double punch. This action is done three times in a row in the kata. In Shidokan Shorin Ryu this is the 38th through 45th movements of the kata. However, each style does the kata slightly differently and combines or separates movements, leading to different movement counts. The exact movement number for you may be different. I was taught this technique is steeping out and pinning the foot, then the double punch knocks them right on their butt. The variations are with or without a hicki-te (movement 37, 40 and 43 in the kata). The foot pin can be done to the opponents forward foot or the rear foot. When pinning the back foot it is done by going to the outside of their front leg and then in between their legs, across and back to pin the back foot. The back foot variation works better with a hicki-te of the attackers forward arm punch as you move slightly to the outside. The slight movement can be stepping or shuffling with your same side leg then driving the foot of your other leg past his forward leg, through his stance and pinning his rear foot in one motion. Foot pinning is done with the toe driving down on the top of the foot to spike and grip. Done properly it is excruciatingly painful. The pain shuts off some of your opponent's muscles and makes it even harder for him to withdraw the pinned foot. Ok I tried. Hope that made sense.

[@mark11145]

@verifyyouare18or The move immediately after the double punch fumi-kiri's. Yes! That is a great throw. Well done applying that in sparring. I have always liked how that throw is after the foot trap double punch Fumi-Kiri, because the only real defense for your opponent is to grab your arms or grab you in a bear hug type of a move to keep from going down. Thus the next move is the answer. It simply amazes me how many throws there are sprinkled through out the katas.

[@David-su4is]

I used that first throw quite a bit when I was working security. I'm an Issinryu guy, and, at least here in Canada, Ishinryu has always incorporated throws.

[@nicolasricciardi5526]

Very good material, awesome demonstration of very useful movements. These technics can be found in the funakoshi s book Karate Jitsu.

[@iainmcmullen414]

Love the shirt you're wearing in the description! So sorry that we are missing you this year.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thanks Iain! I'll be back next year :-)

[@bunkaiking]

Absolutely love this video and also your philosophy of traditional karate. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and also showing how effective karate can be 🥋😁

[@practicalkatabunkai]

I'm pleased you like it John! Thanks for the support!

[@bunkaiking]

@@practicalkatabunkai I remember watching a video of yours for the very first time. (It was bunkai for the pinan nidan kata) to say the penny dropped would be an understatement 😂. Thanks again for sharing 🥋😁

[@practicalkatabunkai]

@@bunkaiking I'm pelased what I do resonates with you! Thanks for the support!

[@garyspencer1954]

Kenwa Mabuni sensei wrote, “The karate that has spread to Japan is incomplete. Those who believe that karate consists of only kicks and punches and think throws are exclusive to judo or jujitsu, have been misinformed. We should have an open mind and strive to study the complete art.” Look for the throws in your advanced kata.

[@mysty0]

I have always used both of these, never realized they were forgotten lol

[@troyluna8780]

That "Fumi-Kiri". It may be the application of "White Horse Hoofs" in the Tiger-Crane Manual. In the manual, you "stamp" one leg across the other(you'll end in a cross stance) and the rear leg(stationary leg) delivers a kick along the position. Do you have any counters to the Fumi-Kiri?

[@mikcarrillo3527]

Very good instructions.👍

[@shinwook5145]

Nice ideas! I think that knowing some throws that are started from the striking range is important for strikers, since it's easier to set them up with strikes than, say, a bodylock throw, which is easier to set up with wrestling. Therefore I think these kind of throws, where you entry from outside, are really interesting for people who are mainly strikers interested in MMA or self defense, as they are easier to set up with strikes : )

[@AcidoCaustico]

Fumi kiri looks like it step on hangetsu kata just after being in kokutsu dashi going forward gedan barai but yes covering your face and them pushing with the age uke great execution there, great karate Ian

[@kobiesboxing4956]

In the past I've did something similar to what was done in the 2nd move. But one difference is I use my right hand to throw a right punch to the abdominal while my body is dropped down. And then after that I proceed into a take down.

[@sinjofin1]

a great interpretation, always thought a catch was unlikely. thank you

[@KurtAngle89]

Ian, i have a question: is tate-shouto-uke actually supposed to be performed to get rid of arms e/or legs of the opponent, AFTER you've thrown him, to then finish, typically rentzuki? I've realized the movement is similar to what you do in those instances, and in katas, it's usually after movements than can be interpreted as a throw. For example, in Bassai Sho is after manji-uke, that is basically so similar to the move of Gankaku you demonstrated with Jesse Enkamp. In Empi, it's after the kiai elbow smash, that is supposed to fall people, i guess. Also, ren-tzuki in kiba/shiko-dachi is the go-to finishing move on downed opponents, not so much while they're standing...

[@mentgeneral]

What is the Funakoshi's karate-jitsu book mentioned around 1:47? I can't get the name. Thank you in advance.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Rentan Goshin Karate-Jutsu

[@mentgeneral]

@@practicalkatabunkai Thank you very much!

[@practicalkatabunkai]

@@mentgeneral My pleasure!

[@idurisu930]

Didn't know tyson fury knew karate. Haha nice video. Very informative

[@jameswells8851]

Mr. Abernathy, I am a long time student of shotokan, after watching several of your videos I have noticed, as you stated there are techniques added to some shotokan kata to make them end at the same place rather than have additional meaning. Is there a book or books that you could recomend the Kata in it's original format for comparison. Thank you.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thanks for the support of the videos. Firstly, I’d like to be clear that I see nothing wrong with the modern Shotokan kata. Like the kata of all other styles, they have been modified to make them simpler, more athletic, more visually appealing, etc, but I don’t believe that these relatively minor changes result in an obfuscation of the information the kata contain. We can think of these changes as altering the font of a book i.e. it can look different, but it reads the same. Secondly, we need to avoid the “older” is “better” trap, or the “older” is “purer” trap. As Funakoshi himself said, “there are not now, and never have been, any hard and fast rules regarding the various kata, it is hardly surprising to find that they change not only with the times but also from instructor to instructor”. If you want to see the older versions, then any replications of Funakoshi’s older books will do it. The original versions are out of copyright, so you may find Japanese language PDFs of “Karate-Do Kyohan” and “Rentan Goshin Karate Jutsu” online with a google search. I hope that helps.

[@mawashi-geri6162]

Hey Iain! I'm looking at reading into the texts of Karate, such as Funakoshi's karate-do kyohan. Do you have a good place to start, as well as some recommended reading? Cheers.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

I do! This podcast on a recommended reading list could be of interest: iainabernethy.co.uk/content/bonus-podcast-10-books-pragmatic-karateka

[@mawashi-geri6162]

@@practicalkatabunkai Thank you very much, Much appreciated!

[@edi9892]

I got my doubts about the first one, not because I know more about Karate (I don´t practice it), but because there are so many possibilities: a) walking straight into the enemy or going to his outside b) keeping his arm outside, or making it cross c) how to push him over d) in which direction to push or pull him All in all, there are many ways to successfully perform such a foot-trap and the result is pretty much the same, but there are two things that can happen on top, which are worth mentioning: 1) foot-traps can break the ankle 2) foot traps can cause spinal twists (more likely, when you cause his arm to cross and push or pull him over to the side)

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thanks for the comment. There are indeed many way to trap a foot, but I think we can be reasonably confident in our understanding of what Funakoshi was specifically describing. YOU WROTE: “there are so many possibilities: a) walking straight into the enemy or going to his outside.” FUNAKOSHI WROTE (my emphasis): “Fumi-kiri is applied by moving in with a hand technique whilst at the same time stepping onto the enemy’s foot and THROUGH HIS LEGS to destroy his balance.” So, on Funakoshi’s Fumi-Kiri we can be clear the idea is to got straight toward relative to the enemy and not to the outside. YOU WROTE: “b) keeping his arm outside, or making it cross” FUNAKOSHI WROTE (my emphasis): Fumi-kiri is applied by MOVING IN WITH A HAND TECHNIQUE whilst at the same time stepping onto the enemy’s foot and through his legs to destroy his balance. Fumi-kiri is especially effective and combined with techniques such as AGE-UKE [i.e. a rising arm]. No photos or diagrams, but we do know the hand technique is done as we move in. We also know upper level / rising arm movements are advised. The enemy’s arm is therefore pushed up as opposed to across. YOU WROTE: “c) how to push him over. d) in which direction to push or pull him.” Physics dictates that that we move the enemy’s centre of gravity outside the area covered by their feet. That means the most efficient angle to apply force is at 90 degrees to the line of the feet. We therefore know the direction. The fact we are standing on the foot as we step though with other foot, as described by Funakoshi, means we have to be pushing in that specific direction. The arm will also be in the position described above. So, we do know what is pushing and in what direction. YOU WROTE: “All in all, there are many ways to successfully perform such a foot-trap” Indeed there are, but to preform Furi-Kiri as Funakoshi describes it (which is the subject of the video) we have to be stepping through the enemy’s legs, with the other foot stood on, and with the arm high. Add in the physical requirement for any object to fall (centre of gravity moved outside the base) and I can’t see how it could be any different from what it shown in the video. Many ways to trap a foot; but only one way to perform Funakoshi’s Fumi-kiri. Funakoshi does describe a specific foot trap, and it that specific method we are exploring; as opposed to foot traps generally. I hope that helps clarify my thinking behind what is presented. All the best, Iain

[@kamen25]

wow, this is fascinating

[@MarshOakDojoTimPruitt]

thanks iain !!!

[@DJAraRealSalsa]

New subscriber here. Thank you for your video. I would like you to know if your bases style of karate is Shotokan? Thanks again. :)

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thanks for subscribing! I have had teachers and training partners who have a Shotokan background, but my own base was in Wado. These days I don’t think any of the style labels are appropriate. I am a martial artist first; a karateka second; and I have no idea what style I am. Traditionally the idea of styles was frowned upon, and I find myself in agreeance with that view: iainabernethy.co.uk/article/styles-are-they-killing-karate

[@DJAraRealSalsa]

@@practicalkatabunkai Thank you for your response. I also believe that Karate is Karate, more so than Kung fu is Kung fu (which is what I practice - Chow Gar and Wing Chun), because of the immense differences between certain of its styles/methodologies). Still, I believe that it is good that your approach is more of holystic view of Karate so that all of its richness can be combined so that benefit can be gained from all of what is KARATE! :) I look forward to reading the article in your link and to watching more of your videos. All the best to you from South America. :)

[@goodbuy7556]

how age uke i applied in fumi-kiri? Because I noticed that Funakoshi sad that

[@practicalkatabunkai]

That’s the arm movement I use during the technique i.e. the initial parry and then the rising left arm. If you look at the thumbnail for this video, you can see it freezeframed. All the best, Iain

[@goodbuy7556]

@@practicalkatabunkai thanks

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

I shared one of your videos on Quora. The conversations there are much more civilized than the ones on KZbin, maybe you should make an account and answer questions about Karate. If you have the time.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

daniel280456 Thanks for sharing the videos and the suggestion. Unfortunately, my time is very limited as it is what with family, teaching, training and traveling. I play an active part on the forum on my own website, and I do what I can on social media, but I’ve not got the time for anything beyond that I’m afraid.

[@StudentInFrance]

Love the content, just wanted to point out that the intro music is always too loud. Sorry for nitpicking. ;)

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thank you! It sounds OK to my ears :-) I'll get someone with better hearing to check levels going forward.

[@andrewmthomson0191]

Nice

[@BUNKAIKARATE]

Very interesting

[@jadwigaruchlewska1772]

I know i come late but I would like to let it known that fumi kiri can be very nasty technique. Many years ago i practised fumi kiri putting all my weight on the foot of my opponent and not letting go after i passed under his guard and rammed him with my shoulder. It tore all his ligaments. If you do not wish to hurt your partner make sure you step from his foot before he hits the floor!

[@wardalazar1637]

That is not forgotten it’s in penan 5

[@ThundercloudDonkey]

Gima-ha has different versions of the 9 throws but with the same names

[@glennsammon4465]

the Katas of Shotokan are littered with locks and throws. but they are described as X blocks and such. and one throw is not shown in Godan. but you lead up to it then jump and land with an X block. really you did a Judo type throw and the X block is you holding his wrist, when you jump up you load your self so when you come down you press his elbow against the ground and snap his wrist. the knife hand block is really a combination block hit closeline throw similar to Tai Chi holding the ball to single whip. and I could keep going. Shotokan is a very combative no nonsense style. it is really designed to main and kill.

[@Doskharaas]

I think it is not Node-Osae, but NoDO-Osae, in japanese node means nothing but nodo means 喉, which is a neck or a throat

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Mistype on my behalf and then "cut and paste". Thanks for the catch. Now corrected in text and images. Video mistake remains :-)

[@Doskharaas]

@@practicalkatabunkai Even though I am just briefly taught Judo, thanks to my father, was a army officer and a TKD/HKD expert in Army Special Force during 70-80's, I have interested Karate and great respect of your Bunkai project and works. I think that you are revitalizing and rationalizing old KATA being practical. Keep it up. -respect from Korea. PS. Sorry for my broken English, It's hard to bunkai from Korean to English :-)

[@practicalkatabunkai]

@@Doskharaas Thank you for the kind words of support!

[@patmat7984]

we have this in the BUJINKAN a core basic that's practiced all the time..

[@taylorbee4010]

My sifu knows some of this He ...adds stuff. Owch.

[@AcidoCaustico]

the second looks ankle pick for those whom practice Bjj ;)

[@teikarate]

❤

[@salvosensei1]

Oss sensei🐯

[@GordonGavin]

Nodo-Osae. Snatch single

[@laurencelance586]

Anyone else seeing Wansu in Fumi - Kiri?

[@jkdsteve]

Ankle pick FTW!

[@valeriocyprianigomesdeoliv1205]

It's a shame there's no translation into Portuguese.

[@smithsci]

karate for self-protection is incredible, but for competition it's horrible

[@AyeJordan7]

Thank u

[@stefanschleps8758]

OK homeboy, while I appreciate your sharing with us, (Shotokan was my first art.) You deserve some critique. You spend almost two minutes explaining ''forgotten, forgotten throws'', once would have sufficed. Secondly and far more importantly, if you care that the viewer understand your explanation, do not speak as quickly as you move. Calm down, enunciate and slowly articulate what you hope to convey. The eye can catch fine detail in movement, the same cannot be said for the sense of hearing. Slow your speech down, and make what you say concise and germane to the technique your about to demonstrate. Remember you have a thick accent which complicates understanding what your saying. Now, let me thank you for giving us your perspective. I believe your interpretation is correct. BTW I subbed to your channel a few years ago, additionally my teachers primary teacher was Masatoshi Nakayama. I will be uploading a few videos later in the year, I hope you will join us and see what I have to share. Wishing you all the best. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association PS. Ahhh...! So this was a seminar capture. Still....

[@practicalkatabunkai]

Thanks for the post and your honest feedback. My accent is thoroughly engrained, having been born and raised in this part of the world and living here my whole life. Part of that is the speed of speech. I get that it’s sometimes difficult for those who don’t have English as their first language, and even those that do who don’t hail from northern England. I sometimes have the same issue with people from other areas, so I understand what you are saying. That’s said, I am me. I like my accent and will freely confess to being proud of it. To try to speak as someone else would, would be “unauthentic” and strained for me. I’m not a professional actor :-) My accent and the way I speak is part of me, and hence part of my videos. If people can’t work with it, then there are other people on KZbin they can watch instead. I am what I am, and it is what it is. As you noted, this was seminar footage from a session in Finland (in a nuclear bunker as it happens!) and they seemed OK with it, but that could be because they are used to my idiosyncratic speech having trained with me a lot. While we are honestly chatting about communication, can I say I don’t know you and hence find “homeboy” to come across as condescending. The rest of your post makes clear that was not your intent, and it may be a common and friendly greeting in your part of the world, but where I am from referring to someone (who is not a child) as “boy” or “son” infers the person speaking is asserting their superiority over the person they are talking to. It comes across as arrogant, condescending, and in some cases even an attempt to provoke. Communication, even among those who speak the same language, can be difficult due to local variations as our posts on accent, tone, speed of speech and choice of words illustrate. Many thanks for your support of the channel and I look forward to seeing your videos when they go live. All the best, Iain

[@stefanschleps8758]

@@practicalkatabunkai I appreciate your prompt response. Thank you Iain. Colloquially the term ''homeboy'' refers to the person in question as being, ''one of us''. I come from Baltimore where being referred to as homeboy is an honor. In either case it would be insecure of you to take offense. Your passion for the arts is obvious, but I contend you speak to quickly. It is the responsibility of the person speaking to be clear and concise. It is likely your physical presence and reactions intimidates others from being honest with you. Good luck with that. If I said don't be a snowflake would you be offended? Think about it. Peace.

[@practicalkatabunkai]

@@stefanschleps8758 I WROTE: “The rest of your post makes clear that was not your intent, and it may be a common and friendly greeting in your part of the world, but where I am from referring to someone (who is not a child) as “boy” or “son” infers the person speaking is asserting their superiority over the person they are talking to.” YOU WROTE: “In either case it would be insecure of you to take offense.” I didn’t take offence. I simply pointed out how the term would be perceived here as part of the discussion on differences in the way language is spoken and used. I was also clear that I suspected it was a friendly greeting where you are from. Turns out I was right. YOU WROTE: “Your passion for the arts is obvious, but I contend you speak to quickly.” I WROTE: “My accent is thoroughly engrained, having been born and raised in this part of the world and living here my whole life. Part of that is the speed of speech.” We agree. I do speak quickly, but not as quick as some. My Scottish neighbours, for example. Or my friends in Liverpool or Newcastle. I like those accents a lot though. YOU WROTE: “It is the responsibility of the person speaking to be clear and concise.” As per the post above, I speak how I speak. No intention of pretending to be someone else or from somewhere else. My seminars are always well attended and, once people have “tuned in” to the dialect, it has never been an issue; here or overseas. As I say, this footage was from Finland and just as I tune into their accent, they tune into mine. It works. They all understand me, and we all have a good time together. I'm sure I would find your Baltimore accent unusual at first, but I would not ask you to speak as I do. I’m sure you are proud to come from Baltimore, and your accent will be part of that. This video also has a 98.5% like to dislike ratio. So, it seems you are one of minority in finding how I speak to be an issue (even then, the 1.5% who didn't like the video may have disliked it for other reasons). YOU WROTE: “It is likely your physical presence and reactions intimidates others from being honest with you.” You don’t know me very well, do you? :-) I always teach with a smile and make a lot of jokes at my own expense; the way I speak being one theme frequently exploited for humous effect. If they could not understand me and found me or my reactions “intimidating” they simply would not come to train with me. As it is, I do around 100 seminars each year, I’m always booked up for well over a year ahead, and most of the seminars sell out. I can guarantee that you could ask any of the tens of thousands of people I’ve taught over the years and not a single one would say they found me too intimidation to raise anything with. Quite the contrary. YOU WROTE: “If I said don't be a snowflake would you be offended? Think about it.” Let’s try it and find out :-) I’m guessing you already have, albeit subtly … and no, I am not in any way offended. Confused, but not offended. You raised a point. I explained that is Cumbrian dialect, I’m proud of it and I’m sticking with it. Can’t quite figure out how that makes me easily offended? I’m not in any way offended. I am rejecting your advice based on actual experience and personal integrity. I am a Cumbrian, and I speak like a Cumbrian. Personally, I think it’s part of the charm. I can tell you that most people like it and find the way I speak interesting (especially outside the UK). When I have German friends come to the UK to teach, I don’t tell them to speak “less like a German”. Sure, the German accent is not as easy for Brits to follow as their local accent, but they quickly get used to it and have no issue following along. Indeed, I think it adds something to the personal interaction when people are genuinely themselves. I hope my refusal to do as you would wish does not offend you? I don’t know you and you’re not my boss. I have listened, but I don’t have to enact your preference. Fair enough? Regards, Iain

[@protector63]

Osu!

[@kevinfreestone9822]

Blooming auto correct.

[@pressloh]

Karate ni sente nashi

[@practicalkatabunkai]

“There is a saying ‘no first attack in karate’ …To be sure, it is not the budo [martial art] spirit to train for the purpose of striking others without good reason. I assume that you already understand that in karate one's primary goal must be the training of mind and body… But when a situation can't be avoided and the enemy is intent on doing you serious harm, you must fight ferociously. When one does fight, taking control of the enemy is vital, and one must take that control with the very first move. Therefore, in a fight one must attack first. It is very important to remember this.” - Choki Motobu “When faced with someone who disrupts the peace or who will do one harm, one is as a warrior in battle, and so it only stands to reason that one should seize the initiative and pre-empt the enemy’s use of violence. Such action in no way goes against the precept of ‘no first attack’ …the expression ‘karate ni sente nashi’ [no first attack in karate] should be properly understood to mean that the karateka must never take a hostile attitude, or be the cause of a violent incident; he or she should always have the virtues of calmness, prudence and humility in dealing with others.” - Kenwa Mabuni "When there are no avenues of escape or one is caught even before any attempt to escape can be made, then for the first time the use of self-defense techniques should be considered. Even at times like these, do not show any intention of attacking, but first let the attacker become careless. At that time attack him concentrating one's whole strength in one blow to a vital point and in the moment of surprise, escape and seek shelter and help." - Gichin Funakoshi

[@gunnarneumann8321]

So tripping and a single leg takedown( both that's poorly done)

[@jbouse64]

Different strokes. I am sure you could never lose in your world.

[@gunnarneumann8321]

@@beefsteax after years training in grappling (something is not known for to credit ) i know crap when i see it

[@AyeJordan7]

@@gunnarneumann8321 notice how u said years of”grappling”why r u comparing Karates grappling to grappling ARTS,even the old masters of karate said that karates grappling is not as high as a grappling art,but enough to protect one in a street fight,if your art contains grappling and it’s not from a grappling art then of course it’s gonna be less advanced,both defense and offensive techniques,Why u think Mma is unstoppable,cuz that grappling they got from grappling arts save they ass,easy as that😂🤷🏾

[@立花たくや]

@@gunnarneumann8321 If you really did grappling for years, you'd notice the second one isn't a single leg but an ankle pick (or kibisu gaeshi in judo)