TWO SIMULTANEOUS EMERGENCIES | Engine Problems after takeoff at Phoenix

AAL2006 video - • TWO SIMULTANEOUS EMERG...
01/DEC/2023
American A319 performing flight out of Phoenix was on the initial climb when the pilots declared an emergency reporting a loss of oil pressure in the right engine and would need to return.
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[@VASAviation]

That was an outstanding job by everyone, especially Phoenix controllers in busy rush hour! Keep in mind the scope only displays both subject aircraft, would you like an untrimmed version with all the radar and traffic in the area? AAL2006 video --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHKsgYmPa7Saarcsi=mNA3kBidTz1al9hB

[@nothingbutplanes]

Did you receive the email I sent?

[@VASAviation]

@@nothingbutplanes I guess we did. Just be patient with the reply.

[@simonbrauksiepe8861]

would love the untrimmed version with all traffic!

[@CapStar362]

Fun Note: During all of this, a MedEvac also got handled and landed as Priority 2 Traffic while these two Priority 1 Emergency Aircraft where going about.

[@beachbum77979]

Good job by everyone. I would love to see the untrimmed version too. I think some of us would have a better appreciation of just how good of a job was done. Thanks Victor.

[@wildekek]

"Super Time Sensitive" is the new PAN PAN PAN people, get with the program.

[@VASAviation]

STS instead of SOS now

[@aeternusdoleo4531]

@@VASAviation Save The Schedule!

[@tommaxwell429]

Perhaps it was trimmed but I never did hear either Pan Pan or Emergency declared. Perhaps it was just trimmed. Trying to avoid a bunch of paperwork, perhaps. But definitely opening themselves up to scrutiny if anything goes south. I'm hoping we just didn't hear the declaration. History has shown ATC is pretty quick to declare for the pilots if they don't.

[@benoithudson7235]

@@tommaxwell429 : we heard as much as is typical.

[@MrBrutus082]

I chuckled at WAZUP

[@jackielinde7568]

There used to be a VOR at the east end of KPHX, North of ASU's Sun Devil Stadium, called SPARKY. I don't think it exists anymore, which makes me sad. It's kind of redundant, since you still have to follow the Salt River when flying on that side of the airport.

[@WillyGrippo]

Haha same

[@ridiculousblue9917]

I don’t think I could accept waypoint WAZUP without making a “nothing how bout u” joke. Even if the plane was on fire

[@aussiebloke609]

Hey Dookie!!!!!

[@jayschafer1760]

To be fair, the pilot did refer to ATC as "dude". 😜

[@nerysghemor5781]

There’s an even funnier one at JFK, DEEZZ (forget exactly the letters)…it’s probably a good thing I’m not a pilot because I’d be tempted to say something like “Hold DEEZ NUTS.” 😂

[@JoshGratton]

lol, same

[@Simba65315]

having a waypoint called "WAZUP" would be really bad for any comms for anyone who saw the first Scary Movie.

[@slyguymcgee]

"You guys have 2 emergencies at once? Want to talk about it more?" ... man just fly and keep the frequency quiet lol. Hats off to the controllers here for handling both so well.

[@VASAviation]

+ they also had a medevac aircraft. Pilots were asking on all frequencies

[@X737_]

He had to decide whether to go for his early alternate he wasn’t just flapping his gums sir

[@Jmjbs]

"Thanks dude" love that lmao

[@RckyMtneer]

I hear American has a job opening at Sky Harbor for a maintenance supervisor.

[@tommaxwell429]

Well done! The pilots seemed very cool and collected. The controllers and fire brigade had a major pucker factor at play. Good job by all, good comms.

[@othername1000]

What’s that word for super time sensitive

[@VASAviation]

I call it Mayday

[@brettstowell4029]

@@VASAviation "Super double Mayday" plus cursing and random heading / altitude changes. Usually does the trick.

[@ronwade5646]

Sky Harbor has really good people.

[@djenei2564]

AAL1038 has the best mic ever

[@janethouse1779]

I noticed that too! I think a lot of pilots use Bose, don't they? We have several Bose p.a.s and they are pretty amazing.

[@pomerau]

Meanwhile, 10 miles out, a United plane had completely run out of coffee.

[@cenccenc946]

Airport fire fighters job is hours and days of boredom, followed by minutes of shear terror. Imagine having to deal with two diffrent airplanes crash at the same time, that did not run in to eachother, splitting resources between two unrelated crash sites.

[@sailingeric]

Some one in ATC picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue

[@DanielLeevi]

Am I the only one that remembered the old Budweiser commercials when WAZUP was said?Yes…just me??

[@scriptkiddie4240]

What happens if they both have to return immediately? Who goes where? Because in this one it seems like AAL 2206 isn’t as urgent in the need to returning as 1038.

[@tommaxwell429]

IMO shouldn't be a problem. They have plenty of runways. The only issue would be trying to split the fire brigade between the two flights. I don't know if airports and ATC actually train for multiple emergency scenarios. Any pilots and/or ATC folks who can comment on training for such situations?

[@jackielinde7568]

KPHX has three runways 08/26 is 11,500 feet, 07L/25R is 10,500 feet, and 07R/25L is 7,800 feet. Then there's Phoenix-Goodyear KGYR with an 8,700 foot runway and Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (KIWA) with three runways. 12R/30L is 10,400 feet, 12C/30C is 10,200 feet, and 12L/30R is another shorty at 9,300 feet. Plenty of options as long as you don't need an 11,000+ runway.

[@davidpearson3304]

@@jackielinde7568and if it got really bad Davis Mountain AFB has a 13k+ foot runway near Tucson

[@stevenverhaegen8729]

Waz'up must come down... 😊

[@cj20080]

AA 2006 said he wanted the longest runway available which would be 8, but then wound up needing to land 7L which was on the other side of the airport, any idea why that would be?

[@jort93z]

Hmm, maybe they are concerned the previous plane leaked oil on the runway, since they landed right before them and had an oil pressure issue. And they didn't want to wait for the crews to check the runway. But that's completely made up, i have no idea what their concerns actually were.

[@squadwiper79]

@@jort93z You sound spot on right here.

[@z33511]

My guess -- they had 7L set up in the FMS and didn't want to change it with everything else that had gone wrong.

[@JohnD357]

I believe 2006 said he had flight control issues. Perhaps landing on 8 was going to be harder for him to maneuver than going into 7L.

[@ryanwalker7018]

​@@z33511in the other video that was 2006 this was the reason. They had loaded and briefed 7L and where happy with it in the end. I imagine when they heard other plane going in on 8, they probably assumed would be closed so they replanned for 7L. And maybe they worried about potential oil or other FOD after 1st plane landed as well. Airport wanted them in 8 to limit runways impacted and less movement of emergency vehicles. But sounds like all worked out both flights.

[@panchoscse77]

What does it means “súper time sensitive” ??? 🤔

[@fredhealy3416]

Pan Pan baby

[@AaronShenghao]

AA PR reps, gate agents and secluding: On lord... gonna figure out the scheduling and re-book all these passengers now...

[@jackielinde7568]

Hehehe... I wonder if my brother's girlfriend was working that day. EDIT: NOPE! She dodged a bullet and had the day off.

[@jayschafer1760]

At least it was at a hub for AA. Still a bad day at the office, but it could have been much worse...

[@FreshTillDeath56]

What a disaster! Good job, everyone!

[@VASAviation]

Bit chaotic but all in good hands with those controllers

[@FreshTillDeath56]

​@@VASAviation I say!

[@OfficeLinebacker]

Actuall, NOT a disaster, thanks to the quick thinking and everyone following procedures properly.

[@colejohnson777]

Gotta love airport ops we get these once in a blue moon 😅

[@WillyGrippo]

Awesome job by all involved!

[@davidkavanagh189]

Does the airport have fire cover for two emergencies? If not then daft to keep AAL2006 holding and better to have them divert.

[@jackielinde7568]

As one of the backup airports for KLAX and KSFO, I certainly hope so.

[@robinguess1704]

KPHX has 2 fire stations 1 on the North side between A9 and A10 and in the center of the airport near the T bridge. I am not sure but would also expect the ANG Base to have a fire station as well that could be called upon if needed. The biggest issue is that Sky Harbor only has 2 roads between the N and S side next to the R and T bridges.

[@Strathclydegamer]

Doesn’t sound like it, from the Fire Commander asking Tower to have the second aircraft hold until they could free up to deal with it.

[@jackielinde7568]

@@StrathclydegamerIt's better to be dealing with one potential emergency then process a second instead of having to process both at the same time. I do know (but can't say where from) that while emergency equipment did report to staging areas, they never actually entered the active airport area for either emergency, if that helps your Monday Morning Quarterbacking. So maybe they knew something we didn't?

[@djenei2564]

AAL1038 has the best mic ever

[@JoshGratton]

Didn't PHX have the same thing (2 simultaneous emergencies) a while ago also? I believe I saw it on VAS.

[@VASAviation]

I have a videos at JFK, Seattle and Portugal for simultaneous emergencies

[@OzanErenBilgen]

It looks like AAL2006 landed on runway 7R not on 7L as in the audio. Is this a video issue?

[@VASAviation]

It's landing on 7L in the video

[@adrianklaver113]

Seems AA needs to have a mechanics refresher course.

[@FloorItDuh]

All airline mechanics go through extensive training and recurrent training. You are essentially asking for the aircraft to never fail in any way possible which is impossible. You can reduce the risk to a point where it seems like it's not there but it doesn't mean it ever isn't. Just like when you drive to work there is always a risk of someone slamming into you at the light while you wait. Beyond your control though unlikely.

[@adrianklaver113]

@@FloorItDuh 1) ATC and pilots go through extensive training and recurrent training, yet this channel is full of instances where that training is not followed and bad things happen or nearly happen. Mechanics are no different, I'm just saying there might a need for the equivalent of a 'call this number'. 2) Your driving analogy does not really work as: a) It is more equivalent to the near miss situations that occur between planes. b) You have not seen how people drive around here. In other words it shades more to likely then it should be.

[@adrianklaver113]

@@Stacy-w5f You are missing the point, the "interesting" ones arise because there are cases where someone or someones did not follow training/procedure. How many there are is somewhat relevant, but the real point is they happen and those involved should learn from them.

[@RetiredEE]

Are there more engine problems than usual lately? Is there some overall problems per thousand flights (or flight miles) or some other metric that gives an idea of overall aviation reliability? Great job by all handling a twofer 👍

[@FloorItDuh]

There's been more demand than ever to fly and not enough capacity to meet it with that demand continuously increasing. As a result aircraft especially narrow bodies are being flown more than ever essentially the ethos of flown hard put away wet. To put it into perspective a single narrow body can fly on average up to 8 different flights per day depending on the airline and route. Could be more, could be less. As a result just like your car the more you drive it the sooner it breaks on you. Component failure is just an unavoidable nature of all man-made things. They will fail eventually. That's why aviation and specifically airlines have continuous maintenance programs where the aircraft are always being worked on both in and out of revenue service. The other complication is unlike your car that spends the majority of its time idle doing nothing airlines cannot afford to do the same as an aircraft is an asset that costs a LOT of money sitting on the ground. There's a reason in the scheme of things you don't see many transport category aircraft in long term storage. There's also parking fees that aircraft accumulate sitting on the ground in storage. The economics behind it are very different than what most people factor when all they see on the front end is they walk into a plane, fly somewhere, and their experience with it is over.

[@elcastorgrande]

@@FloorItDuh Fewer aircraft making more flights, more expensive fuel, higher interest rates, company higher-ups want bigger bonuses, pressure on ground crews to "keep 'em flying." Quite a cocktail.

[@FloorItDuh]

​@@elcastorgrandeamazingly despite all of that name the last time a fatal airliner crash happened out of the US airlines.

[@FloorItDuh]

​@@737simviatoragain I circle back to the safety record. Just because there is more visibility than ever before doesn't corelate to an increased frequency. These incidents are somewhat normal it's just that the system has gotten to such a point it can be dealt with safely outside the most extreme circumstances like an act of God. That system worked exactly as intended and thus while something did happen the controls established to deal with it did their job turning it into a non-event outside a bunch of people having to alter their plans.

[@ChocolateFlyer]

I wish AA would scrap these planes already and bring back the 757, I fly Delta or United whenever I can't find an itinerary without an A321. SO done and SO sick of being delayed by all the problems and nonsense.

[@FloorItDuh]

The 757 is never coming back and when the day comes when Delta cannot financially justify the maintenance per flight hour to revenue costs they will replace them. They are already looking at the A321XLR as its replacement from what I've been told.

[@MastrCake]

AA would have much better luck with their Airbuses if they’d just maintain them better. They aren’t much better with Boeing planes.

[@FloorItDuh]

​@@MastrCakeBut they do maintain them to the same FAA and manufacturer standards as everyone else. Statistically all of the airlines hover around the same metrics in terms of performance in grand scheme of things. It might not feel that way as there's little tricks you can do with swapping aircraft but that's not always an option especially during the heavy flying season times.

[@jackielinde7568]

The problem is that Boeing hasn't made any new 757s in decades, and most airlines are in the process of mothballing the 757 and looking for different aircraft. Bringing a plane out of hibernation is a monumentally expensive task, especially for ones that spare parts might be in limited supply. And generally, the 737s aren't bad aircraft, or they wouldn't be Boeing's #1 product by planes in the sky.

[@davidpearson3304]

You do realize Boeing stopped production of 757’s almost 20 years ago right? So the “newest” one would be almost 20 years old with who knows how many miles/cycles on it.

[@RR-zq3mk]

Figures another American airlines 🙄

[@pondscummagnetfishing]

"Fantastic!" I agree. Well done by all.