TWO SIMULTANEOUS EMERGENCIES | Flight Control Issues for landing!

AAL1038 VIDEO - • TWO SIMULTANEOUS EMERG...
01/DEC/2023
American A321NEO performng flight inbound Phoenix was descending on the arrival when the pilots declared an emergency reporting a slat failure and would need to land on the longest runway.
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[@VASAviation]

That was an outstanding job by everyone, especially Phoenix controllers in busy rush hour! Keep in mind the scope only displays both subject aircraft, would you like an untrimmed version with all the radar and traffic in the area? It takes a lot of time, so all the support for the idea is welcome. AAL1038 video --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6mcdnujrZd_jtEsi=B3SSCxZutdJ2S4sY

[@NoewerrATall]

Untrimmed version, yes please! I understand that it's a lot of work, but it really puts in stark relief that the controllers can't just focus on the emergency (or two!). They still have to maintain control of the whole rest of the airspace and the planes there, with planes arriving, departing, looking for IFR clearance, and seeking information to see if they have to divert.

[@batshevanivylerner8582]

yes, i'd love to hear the untrimmed version if you can manage it.

[@beachbum77979]

I realize it takes time for you to produce these videos. But since I'm not a content creator I have no idea of what it takes to do it. And since I'm not an air traffic controller or pilot I can only sense a small part of what they go through in stressful situations. It sounded like the emergency responders were under quite a bit of stress too. Situational awareness in this case means being aware of several simultaneous situations, and being prepared. If you're willing and when you can I'd really appreciate the untrimmed story of the entire situation. But take your time. It's not "Super Time Sensitive" for me. Thanks Victor for what you do. And thanks in advance for what you will do.

[@amunak_]

At the very least I'd love if next time you made a video with both emergencies together. To get at least a bit of a feel for how it was. Would be easier to understand, too; I watched the other video first and didn't understand why there is an emergency aircraft already.

[@BOYHUNF]

OMG I remember this happening but didn't even know it at the time! I'm a dispatcher and had a flight coming into PHX, they asked me why PHX was holding, I looked and saw about 5 or so flights in holding patterns for seemingly no reason. No weather, no flow change. Makes complete sense now.

[@VASAviation]

VASAviation is your source haha

[@KusanBiswas]

Peak of professionalism from all sides! Kudos to all involved! Thanks for keeping aviation safe!

[@Bambihunter1971]

This is likely the best ATC/pilot interaction (AA2006) that I've heard in a while. They are both friendly and flexible. Of course the slats isn't as big of a deal as some other emergencies, but I think given their professionalism they would have been very similar in a more pressing matter. Kudos all around.

[@beachbum77979]

Yeah, AA 1038 lost oil pressure and volume, ATC dealing with two simultaneous emergencies (AA 2006 and AA 1038) during rush hour, and then the emergency ground crews... A lot going on and handled very professionally by everyone involved. I hope Victor will make an untrimmed version that also includes the other nearby aircraft.

[@VASAviation]

The untrimmed version will be released soon

[@beachbum77979]

@@VASAviation I thank you in advance. Gracias!

[@NoewerrATall]

@@VASAviation Thank you very much!

[@LastLoveSong1029]

Slats problem is not an immediate emergency, that’s right for ATC let the aircraft with engine problem to land first.

[@gunthertoastbrot3738]

It seems more, that runway 8 wasn't immediately open/ready.

[@737simviator]

@@gunthertoastbrot3738 planes can safely fly without flaps slats and 1 engine. the eentire reason there is two engines is to prevent double engine failure, twin engine aircraft are certified for things single engine planes arent. DW they know exactly what they are doing lol

[@aussiebloke609]

4:13 Kudos to the Skywest 4937 pilot: "We need to go back to Tucson, I can't gamble on you guys getting us in." Safe move, smart move. 👍👍👍 And no one at that airport needed another emergency aircraft at that moment.

[@VASAviation]

A few more made the same decision, especially for Tucson.

[@Tymiec1337]

Glad the pilots didn't get pressured into switching to runway 8 when they had already briefed landing on 7L

[@einokalonen1313]

Fortunately this did not happen at SFO 🙄

[@bobschuon5908]

My question is, why didn't they request runway 8 initially? Isn't that one the longest?

[@Pangjunmin]

Another stressful day for air traffic control Love these videos

[@CenTexSlingshot]

I just love when everybody works together! If it could only happen every day.

[@rickrickard2788]

These are the people they need to set aside, pay them far more, and have THEM TRAIN all the newbies flooding in. I mean, it's just our lives, right?

[@danieljohnson5595]

Couldn't agree more

[@logicplague2077]

Holy crap, professionalism! Kudos to all involved!

[@epsilona7472]

That was so good to watch, smooth, professional, organised.

[@trilight3597]

I've always wondered how airports deal with dual emergencies.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

One at a time.

[@trilight3597]

@@rubenvillanueva8635 I mean...yeah. But I was curious how do you train for that, if at all? Like pilots and dual engine failure, but yeah.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

@@trilight3597 You really do not train for such situations, you apply yourself, to make accurate decisions with the info you have. Of course now, with radar simulations, you can set up a multiple emergency situation, but that is it, a simulation. If you recall the controller did ask the flight with the engine problem how bad it was, and the pilot replied he needed to get back quick. The other flight, with the slat problem was not as critical. It was fortunate that PHX had multiple runways and could accommodate both, if both had to immediately land.

[@trilight3597]

@@rubenvillanueva8635 Thank you for your information. Good and nice to know. If you are ATC yourself, thank you for your work and it is appreciated.

[@rubenvillanueva8635]

@@trilight3597 I had long career in ATC. I highly recommend it to any person between 18-31 years of age. Give it a try if you are within the age requirement. Be prepared to be constantly be learning rules and regulations, and be able to pull them out and apply them.

[@CommomsenseSmith]

Nice job to everyone!

[@CapStar362]

I was a bit intrigued as to why they required the longest runway, but then argued to stay on the 2nd longest runway instead of actually using the longest runway as they asked about in the first place.

[@johnopalko5223]

LDA on 08 is 10,591 feet and LDA on 07L is 10,300, which is only 2.75% less. Since they already had the approach for 07L programmed and briefed, there was no reason to change it for an additional 291 feet, if the FMS said they didn't need it for a no-slats landing. Plus, the airplane landing on 08 reported loss of oil pressure. If there was a leak it could have contaminated the runway surface. There was also a small but non-zero chance of the first emergency aircraft not being able to clear the runway, rendering it unusable.

[@CapStar362]

@@johnopalko5223 and yet here we see, wasn't the case. Trust me i get the hindsight. but ATC already knew the runway was clear, they were vectoring him into 8L and should have had 8L loaded in whether active or secondary to swap over to. 1038 according to the brief i read, shut down #2 as it was running dry, after the LP Warning, 1038 ( in the other video and in 2 other videos i watched about this, eventually said - our number 2 has lost oil quantity as well, we shut it down ) So, 1038's engine had no oil left by the time it landed, and they actually vacated the runway rather quickly, before 2006 was even on final for 7L. In fact if you watch ADSB replays or some of the other videos.... ATC Spaced out 2006 long enough to give the Fire Brigade a chance to make it over to 7L, 1038 was already on the ramp by that time. There was more than ample enough time to flip to 8L on the FMS. ------------- its just intriguing to me, 2006 requested the longest runway, and even while ATC told them, yes, we will get you that, argued to stay on 7L when they were actively being vectored to 8L. ^ ^ ^ This is my only talking point here. they wanted the longest runway, were told they would get the longest runway, then argued to get a shorter runway. ------------- this is all in the ATC recordings. the runway was closed specifically for 1038 and 2006 simultaneously. it was reopened only minutes after 2006 landed and both runways resumed normal ops.

[@joshiasbaja3934]

I recorded this landing without being aware of the radio communications. I will try to upload the video to my KZbin Channel

[@Metalgearmadness]

american 2006 the guy on the radio sounds like a captain i have flown with before

[@pomerau]

Empire 4753 may well be thinking about a fuel emergency by now. When everyone on the ground gets back to work and pick up their mikes the Cessna might declare as well. Fingers crossed. "We're all counting on you." 🙃

[@markcardwell]

Awesome

[@cageordie]

I like that you always get the first comment. You appear to be being followed by a spambot. Anyway, you are very busy these days. American had really bad luck to have to fail at once. AHA! Spambot comment was deleted.

[@ThePlumAbides]

Is this the sequel to yesterday?

[@Nixtutru]

yes

[@VASAviation]

Correct

[@danieljohnson5595]

You think you're having a busy day at work? Wow

[@VASAviation]

Busy me editing all this... just kidding. They all were awesome!

[@benoithudson7235]

I could have sworn you posted this one yesterday already?

[@VASAviation]

Negative

[@David-um8tb]

@@VASAviation Copied

[@rilmar2137]

It's another one. But yeah, had the and thoughts at first

[@benoithudson7235]

OK, it's the same pair of incidents, with different (but overlapping) subsets of the communications.

[@user-mp9rd4hg8b]

Too bad Skywest couldn't hang around for another 20 minutes, he could have gotten on the ground. He must've had just enough fuel to get from Tucson to Phoenix… a very short flight… plus reserve.

[@Kyote994]

We landed with 200lb above min fuel and had a slay failure and a medical on the ground it also doesn’t tell you in the video but they gave us 170kts or less 50 miles out which would have required us to configure way early

[@user-mp9rd4hg8b]

​@@Kyote994 I went back and listened to it. I actually missed the reference to the fuel situation. If I'm not mistaken, 200lbs is just a few minutes away from a lot of paperwork. :-)

[@boilinabag]

atc is so undermanned, and so over stressed, we're just waiting for a bad mistake...

[@VASAviation]

This was a perfect ATC example from all the sectors

[@igorluiz9551]

I don’t know if it was said before, the map is pretty cool but if you don’t know how to read it it’s pretty much useless, love the videos tho

[@GigaBowserNS]

Why did you split this into two videos? Half of this video is just stuff we've already seen from the first video.

[@VASAviation]

Not at all

[@simeon2851]

I really feel something big and bad is coming.

[@RR-zq3mk]

And the dot secretary will still not accept responsibility and resign from his job.

[@chillzvibez7570]

keep believing ny times👍🏻

[@RussianSevereWeatherVideos]

You and me both and it's going to be a horrible catastrophe.

[@JasonP407]

What's with all the fearmongering,honestly?

[@RR-zq3mk]

Yet another American problem…………….

[@timeslidez]

Sad to see no sign of Mayday or Pan Pan. And if Emergency = Mayday, there is no way a slat failure is a Mayday, a Pan call at most.

[@AsNetwork]

Doesn’t make a difference. We tell ATC what’s up, they figure it out on their end what they can do to help us. Saying Mayday/Pan doesn’t really do anything to change how they’re handling us.

[@timeslidez]

@@AsNetwork 😂 Sorry but you couldn't be any further from the truth with that reply.

[@bosshog8844]

Why do you use the weird maps with weird squiddly lines and shapes? This is not useful. Looks like random noise to most of your viewers.

[@VASAviation]

It's real ATC maps.