Two Tier Keir To Ban Smoking

[@Theynotlikeus2024]

This isn't about public health. It is about demoralizing those who frequent the pubs... Destroy the hubs of the working class community.

[@ChopsWildRide]

@@Theynotlikeus2024 The bar/pub is where every single revolution throughout history has started.

[@neoasura]

@@ChopsWildRide Exactly, it started with drunk driving laws. While yes, if you kill or injure someone you deserve the book thrown at you. The law in my state is basically 2 beers and your going to jail. That halted a lot of gathering at pubs.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Does anyone under the age of 60 even smoke anymore? Well, smoke tobacco.

[@falconmclenny7284]

​@GangsterFrankensteinComputer yes. We do

[@ihadalife1177]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputeri do

[@Kardel_VA]

Ban smoking? Then ban hookahs Oh wait...Two Tiers

[@MDE_never_dies]

Two years for questioning Two Tiers

[@BQD_Central]

Creating rebels one at a time. And since they seem quite afraid of the gentiles.... well.

[@wes9384]

Shisha bars are included in the consideration. meaning, if acted on, that whole industry will shutdown over night.

[@rumeunner3245]

Good. ​@@wes9384

[@robertwood5585]

He wouldn’t want to upset his backers

[@aaronbarrett5061]

Smoking is a huge burden on the NHS Had anybody told this geezer about immigrants yet??

[@pa5287]

nah hes too busy what he can ban from us that makes are lives even worse

[@aaronbarrett5061]

@@pa5287 you know what the worst thing is for me, I have an Indian wife, my daughter is half and half, all my friends are non white, everyone I know shares the same views are are sick of all this woke shit, yet their opinions don't seem to matter because they are not white, it's only white peoples opinions who get highlight simply because we are the scapegoat, it's easy to call us racist isn't it? Fucking sad world we live in right now, say far right all they want, I'm centre left leaning, but I'm not a fool, I wish reform had more backing. Funny how a smoking ban video relates to immigration and racism isn't it haha

[@mikebrickwork2407]

i wos a tic tok dancer for the nhs

[@kooperativekrohn819]

@@aaronbarrett5061as a white british born fella in his mid 20’s i can assure you nobody cares about my views either , nobody cares at all . Unless it benefits them (the higher ups)

[@chucknutly3290]

You say it's a huge burden but I pay thousands in tax on cigarettes. I'd say alcohol and fast food were much bigger burdens given obesity figures.

[@disgruntleddude]

My town doesn't even have a police station anymore. Are they gonna send the boys from 30 miles down the road to arrest me for smoking a ciggie on the way to the shops?

[@dominicbradburn]

probably more along the lines of some sub-human cretin with an unchecked hard drive will photograph you and send it to the police who will then I.D you and fine you. That would be my guess

[@Evasion.Survival.Alaska]

Facial recognition on CCTV (if its not there, it will be) .. They will get you in the pocket or cuffs, at their convenience ..

[@jamesmoran3706]

Yes they will riot shields at the ready

[@ocdmusic]

probably the uk equivalent of a swat team who will arrive, put you in their black van then stand outside smoking and discussing their weekend plans at a lgbtqabcdefg protest.

[@BradleyGiles-mf7ew]

It depends if your questioning politics while toking it if you are it’s a 2 years sentence

[@alanforrester]

I don't smoke. I've never smoked. I don't like smoking. But banning people from smoking outside is stupid.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Banning any drugs is stupid. If people want to kill themselves, let them go ahead. My only issue is they waste my tax money on these morons.

[@MisterPerson-fk1tx]

More fun when it's illegal anyway. And studies show you look seven times cooler but that factor increases when it's illegal.

[@liamwright2510]

If other people want to smoke they should be allowed. People should be allowed to live as they see fit.

[@jordangann7438]

So long as you're an adult then do what you want, i thought the prisons were full? What's he going to do arrest the majority of the country? I don't see that working out well.

[@Matt123a]

Not stupid. Evil.

[@chrisramsden9678]

Its insulting just how many of life's joys (home ownership, ability to retire, basic pleasures and freedoms) have been stolen from my generation by soulless assholes who had EVERYTHING.

[@AverageAlien]

Socialism in action

[@AnnetteCurtain-tc4mh]

The future is looking so sterile and bleak,it wont be called life anymore.

[@RichardSFord]

You mean the boomers? Why don't you ask the publishers of Lady Chatterley's Lover where their "basic freedoms" were when they were being prosecuted for obscenity in 1960 over a few naughty words and descriptions of consenting adults getting it on. Home ownership isn't a right. If you can't afford a house, you need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, stop whinging and work harder!

[@redbanana6841]

Capitalism.

[@I.Am.Terrible.At.Usernames]

Smoking shouldn't be considered a joy, it harms you, everyone around you, and the NHS

[@Jack10016]

“What is the charge ? Smoking a cigarette ? A succulent outdoor cigarette ?”

[@nathanx2000.]

_GET YOUR HAND OFF MY ZIPPO!!!_

[@alexblake5264]

democracy manifest

[@Pyjamarama11]

Aaaah Are you ready to receive my limp Dunhill ?

[@dashildabiz]

Just being outside will soon be enough to warrant an arrest.

[@brianmcdonald7017]

I see you know your judo well

[@Cipher71]

>"It'll save billions of tax dollars!" >millions of people lose their job >tax revenue drops precipitously >"We need to raise taxes!" Rinse. And. Repeat.

Producing useless things is not gonna increase prosperity of a society. More tax revenue =/= Better budget. If you want to have better budget, make it balanced, and find people who evade taxation. Don't spend money on Immigrants Throw every illegal into jail, and make it a crime to refuse identification as an immigrant. If they refuse to identify their country of origin, they will be forever jailed. Make them work in jails as well. People will stop comming illegally. If people will stop comming illegally, Legal immigration will be easier to monitor. Etc. If you want to give people jobs, make public projects, and make those public projects make sense. Don't produce things just to produce things.

[@zackbosher104]

The incentive is not to give people jobs. Public projects give politicians the incentive and not the tax payer - most public projects are simply a public coffer wealth extraction scheme legitimized for the reason "for the good of the public". HS2 comes to mind. The incentive ought to be skilled work and increased pay over time. Illegals are competing with natives over low skilled jobs, from businesses who hire from their own genetic pool, creating enclaves. The real issue is the public pension scheme scam. Georgia meloni is a prime example of rationalising "maintaining public pensions via immigration". The birth rate is dwindling everywhere and the only way a country can maintain it is by ever increasing the population size. Remove public pensions, remove the incentive for politicians to import immigrants, incentivise natives to have children which will in turn reinstate traditional culture. But of course, this is all pie in the sky and will never happen under our current crop of international banking elite.

[@zackbosher104]

Why should people pay tax to a country that denigrates and humilliates them? Culture>revenue

@@zackbosher104 Because this country makes the money. All countries have the right to tax people, regardless of how they treat them. "Give unto Ceasar what is his" So, if you don't want to be part of the country, don't use its money.

[@mrrooter601]

>All countries have the right to tax people, regardless of how they treat them. remember the who no taxation without representation thing... yeah...

[@Euphoriasmotion2011]

The burden on the taxpayer is the immigrants getting free bed and board. Come get me Scotland yard.

[@AverageAlien]

And the millions of useless state workers that leech off our stolen wealth

[@LordFart]

Smokers are a boon to the tax payer. Aged care is far and away more expensive than the health care smokers require.

[@brilafable]

😂 brilliant🇮🇪

[@AntecGreeno83]

Spot on

[@scienceofthemagi9750]

He'll never say. The taxes on smoking. Is higher than the cost of care in the NHS. It's close to double the cost currently.

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

Even Nazis weren't control freaks on this level. Starmer is doing his ideological heroes proud.

[@ScabiusSalamingus]

Pretty sure smoking 🚬 near Hitler was problematic for the offender.

[@Ekdrink]

@@ScabiusSalamingus yeah the SS were not allowed to smoke on duty. Himmler had to fight Hitler for them to be allowed off duty. They banned it in 1938 only letting back on some of the anti tobacco messaging in 41, can’t find when they unbanned it. Many of the bans where just ignored anyways as swell

[@therebel4332]

But this was a tory "policy" 😆,, it was "paused" if you remember,, for the campaign, and (s)election back in June. Labour are just running with policies the tories set in motion (lock step?) , but doing it faster and drier because of the big majority and supposed "mandate"

[@jamboreetime]

somehow the playbook seems the same. control the Media. create a problem, the bigger the lie. the more we control!!!

[@neilchapman5145]

@@Ekdrinkso you’re saying hitler was less of a Nazi than kier Stalin? Seems legit

[@waynetowers5046]

Two Tier Keir is just annoyed because that guy told him to get out of his pub. In the same way he's annoyed with that guy who shouted 'Are our children going to be next, Mr. Prime Minister?' while he was laying flowers for a photo opportunity in Southport, then he called everyone "far right thugs".

[@deez8202]

that footage was from ages ago way before he was even a prime minister how about you actually try and look at it critically?

[@M-S_4321]

​@@deez8202So you believe his opinions or his character have changed?

[@deez8202]

@@M-S_4321 doubt it tbh who knows I am not friends with starmer anyway

[@PatchCornAdams723]

@@deez8202 Yeah he got thrown out of a pub (rightfully) 4 years ago. Now he's the steward of the UK, he is finally able to revenge on pubs as a whole. What's wrong with that? It doesn't matter that he wasn't the steward of the UK back then.

[@deez8202]

@@PatchCornAdams723 well yeah it sucks

[@chrisramsden9678]

Pub owners should draw a line in the sand and simply refuse to enforce this bollocks.

[@AlexAnder-rv1gu]

If you think two tier policing for common folk in the street was bad, just wait and see what they can do to just a few pub owners who defy them.

[@WolfHeathen]

Especially if their pubs are private property.

[@tomleary9761]

As an American who lived in the UK for 3.5yrs, I have to say that y'all need to do something about this fascist dictator along the lines of what we did in 1776

[@Evasion.Survival.Alaska]

This plan was long in the coming. It why they were disarmed 30 years ago. Its like what they're trying to do here and failing at.

[@CrashHeadroom]

@@Evasion.Survival.Alaska 2 generations. That's all it takes, just 2... we've had 2 and here we are today, falling apart with no way to meet up, talk or fight it and I am sure youtube will delete this comment like many others.

[@jcmorgan26]

Unfortunately, the UK isn't capable of anything like that anymore. The government was able to disarm the British people and start cracking down on weapon ownership decades ago and it's been a slow but consistent encroachment on our ability to defend ourselves/stand up to tyranny ever since... Along with that, many people in Britain have been so domesticated by the government that they can't stand even the idea of standing up and being willing to die fighting for the future of their country. Those brave soldiers who gave their lives in WW1&2 (and the wars since) would be rolling in their graves to see the absolute sh*tshow this country has become.

[@Jarmint]

More like communist dictator

[@cabnbeeschurgr]

Thinking about helping out ireland

[@englandwasamistake7094]

meanwhile rape gangs run rampant and unchecked, but kier is chasing down the REAL criminals

[@camojoe83]

Y'all should maybe stand up for yourselves instead of waiting for the government to do so. It's almost like you *deserve* it at this point.

[@ChickenWings103]

​@@camojoe83 And what would you have us do, camojoe? Most people I know are fed up with all this bullshit and would only stand up if there's a real dedicated stand against the system. And you saw how the last series of "protesting" went, with people shouting against the system being plastered on daytime TV.

[@camojoe83]

@@ChickenWings103 no bricks in the street? No sticks? No numbers? No balls.

[@ChickenWings103]

@@camojoe83 Fix that shithole called America first, then we'll talk😂

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Aren't stabbings a burden on the NHS? Got more of those lined up, eh Kier?

[@jasonsangwin4006]

I’m not a fan of smoking. I’m less of a fan of the government being who decides if people can do it or not.

[@petermgruhn]

Do you smoke? There you go, you've succeeded in fulfilling your desires.

[@kelf114]

They began picking on smokers decades ago. If they could get everyone to hate a certain group - in the name of health! - then they could use those same tactics against any other group. Smokers were the "test run".

[@johnrobinson7398]

Criminalising freedom at this point

[@mollusckscramp4124]

Removing the bread from bread and circuses during nationwide riots doesn't seem like a great idea.

[@Valdraya]

'we are determined to protect children from second hand smoking' (but not the other thing)

[@IAmTheOnlyMrDaryl]

😅😅😅

[@TheDeadPenguin2237]

You want to make smoking cool again? This is how you do it.

[@aceofmaine]

It was never uncool 😂😂😂

[@jishani1]

@@aceofmaine Yeah, that's why the rate of people who smoke is magnitudes lower now than they were in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, right? Because it's cool? It's so cool it must be scaring people away because they're not cool enough, i suppose. Idiot.

[@chrispomphrett4283]

It is decreasing naturally on it's own, it will fade naturally in time. No need for this banning. I don't smoke but hate this sort of thing whereby one 'person' can ruin it for all, because-they-can, ugh.

[@MGTexan47]

Camel Joe is gonna make a comeback.

[@St_Mindless]

Cigars are extra cool 😂

[@AaronTelfordUK]

How many MP's smoke? What do you want to bet that the Houses Of Parliament are exempt from this ban and MP's will smoke all the time at Parliament despite the ban? 🤔

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

It's like this guy took a look at Justin Trudeau, and said 'I can self-destruct way better than this guy!'

[@fatman6660]

Yup

[@daviddavidson2357]

If he converts to Islam they'll give him a special item of clothing to make that easier.

[@honieebean]

It's the same consulting group making these stupid rules

[@LilNewo]

You think he is anything more than a means to move the Overton window a bit more for the next commie to do the same

[@Willy_Tepes]

When you look at the behavior and realize that they are only following orders, you start to think that they are being set up as fall guys. Who is really in charge?

[@roachdoggjr8399]

It’s like he’s just begging for an uprising

[@Niterayde]

Only way he can bring in the Chinese

[@kuradamax]

Yes, that's exactly it, he wants a police state

[@roachdoggjr8399]

@@kuradamax assuming he survives

[@propjam2]

@@roachdoggjr8399 Exactly, he thinks he can control it, but all it takes is a handful of generals to say 'You know what? we've had enough of this sh7t,!" and he's running for a private jet on a small airfield at night.

[@roachdoggjr8399]

@@propjam2 not even generals. Civilians could do it

[@Ian-zx9rp]

At first they came for the smokers, I did not smoke so no problem. Then they came for the drinkers and alcoholics, I did not drink so no problem. Then they came for the meat eaters, am a vegetarian so no problem. Then they came for my opinions but, the was no one left to make a stand with me. A very very dangerous path Labour is taking. 🤬

[@barry_gooch_baked299]

Between the tax on cigarettes and booze, over the last 25 years I’ve paid for an entire hospital ward.

[@500dollarjapanesetoaster8]

And yet, if people did in fact stop smoking (or at least no longer paying the taxes on cigs) they're going to complain about $$ shortfalls. In the US it's even weirder since we have areas that grow lots of tobacco and get subsidies to do it, all while having huge taxes on cigs.

[@tommyhill7645]

They should name one after you

[@joeblow229]

It's over $12 per pack for American Spirits in California (total, not just the tax).

[@SStr421]

​@@joeblow229I pay 32 per pack in new Zealand haha our tobacco tax is fucked

[@bumble3572]

@@SStr421 50 or more in Aus

[@dm_curt]

You can only smoke in doorways. Not quite outside, not quite inside.

[@reddragon4482]

Shrodinger's smoking room.

[@respectful-distance]

kek

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

@reddragon4482 lol what? You'd be closer saying it was Newton's 3rd law smoking room.

[@reddragon4482]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer It was a stupid joke maybe stop smoking meth and calm down lmao.

[@oz_jones]

@@reddragon4482 *Schrödinger's

[@parallelsuns1]

Starmer still thinks he's a public prosecuter and not the Prime Minister so the guy is clearly in the wrong job. He has no empathy or compassion as you would expect form somebody that gets pleasure in throwing working class people into jail

[@richardhale9664]

He never was a public prosecutor. He worked in human rights, never prosecuting anyone. Then he was miraculously selected to be head of public prosecutions, a role in which he had no prior experience or any other qualification. Then he was miraculously parachuted into a very safe Labour seat, despite never having to ever go through the real bother of trying to get elected or show any level of charm or political nous. Then he was miraculously selected to be leader of the Labour party despite showing no leadership qualities. Are you seeing a pattern here?

[@Snakedude4life]

Watching Londonistan slowly descend into a more boring 1984. How lame. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek!🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@DarrenWalley]

The islamification, they all but a few long for.

[@Ekdrink]

@@DarrenWalleythe Europeans yearn to be ruled. By a king or not. It’s just in their dna

[@LucasImpulse]

a snakistan would be even worse

[@hitokiriizo]

Kamala will do this in the US.

[@nlm7033]

​@@hitokiriizounlikely. We have a supreme court to protect us from tyrants. Still, she'd be a disaster for the country

[@simonshee5155]

Who remembers the outdoor smoking scene from IT Crowd? "It's all so Soviet"...

[@Jop1989]

Predictive programming

[@loner8325]

"I'm too tired for revolution... and we walked f*ckin miles" "TAXIIII"

[@a5teroth]

Where is the opposition? Why is there no opposition party challenging Starmer against his insane jailing of innocent people and massive overreach of his authority?

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

You might gain more traction if you drop the Satanism, old chap.

[@combativeThinker]

@@a5teroth "It's a big club..."

[@danzelwasherton1234]

pubs are the social hubs for the working class. of course two tier wants them abolished.

[@500dollarjapanesetoaster8]

Do you think it's to eventually lead to a prohibition on alcohol to appease certain demographics? I can tell you it won't work, but I'm guessing it'll try.

[@danzelwasherton1234]

@@500dollarjapanesetoaster8 alcohols too easy to make thats why prohibition didn't work in US. but your probably right it won't stop them trying.

[@judyhopps9380]

Also something haram to islam

[@BQD_Central]

Speakeasies will be a thing again.

[@IparIzar]

@@danzelwasherton1234 Tobacco is also just a plant, just like certain totally illegal yet omnipresent drug.

[@skull-chan7703]

I think shutting down pubs is Two Tier Kier goals, they are haram after all.

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

they are places people can meet and talk off line, he can't have that.

[@marcusbullock630]

@@GreatSageSunWukong no that's not it. he's literally an islam stooge. the no smoking is because it's haram. uae owns him.

[@TheAndyread]

It’s not about public health, it’s not about the finances. Same here in Australia, it’s now close to $2 per cigarette. In 2019, smoking related costs to the health industry was estimated at $600mil. Taxes for the same year were 19billion . . . with a B. It’s about control control control. It’s a way to stop people getting together at any cost.

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

They are banning smoking but are opening literal drug dens in Scotland. Look that up

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

Scotland is literally Woke China Lite with a corrupt government to boot! Not really a surprise their then is it

[@freudianshave]

don talk feckin shite bro

[@petermgruhn]

If you can't support the claim, then the claim is unsupported and I don't believe you. Why on earth would I make your argument for you? Mayyyybe the evidence really is out there, but you clearly don't care. So even if it is an issue, which it clearly isn't, it's not an issue of any import.

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

@@petermgruhn cuz this is a comment section and the information is easy to find. im not here to convince you of shit. look it up if you want or dont aint my problem

[@selectman6352]

I always said to my mother, "go ahead, vote Labour and you'll see they're no different" I just didn't expect them winning would result in them being THIS catastrophic 😲

[@Willy_Tepes]

If you vote the other party, the result is exactly the same. When will you wake up?

[@housewilma4904]

@@Willy_Tepes factually not true the torys went the speed limit keir is going lightspeed right out the gate. the boiling oil is worse then the boiling water.

[@LSB001]

My mum's only source of news is the BBC. She has no idea how brainwashed she is.

[@Coconut-219]

Exactly. The British so called "conservative party" was just marxists trying to pretend to be libertarians. Labor is marxists without subtlety... or a firm idea if what their identity even is

[@Willy_Tepes]

@@LSB001 Same with mine. She was glued in front of the box all day long. I have noticed that people who watch TV all have the same basic opinions. I stopped it 20 years ago.

[@FredsRandomFinds]

Real question is why are they deploying so many stupid policies so early on? Is it to just act as cover for him dragging us back into the EU?

[@microwavedsoda]

money?

[@Niterayde]

He wants the lads to take the bait and revolt so he can bring in Chinese soldiers

[@dunkirk1581]

Control, We are being conditioned for the big stuff to come.

[@skull-chan7703]

Over eager to become a full dictator

[@Laughing_Chinaman]

so that they'll be normalized by next election in 5 years. no one will be saying "vote for me because remember what labour did 5 years ago with those weekly child stabbings and smoking ban"

[@ChaplainJoshua]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Welcome to Soviet Britain 🇬🇧

[@AteshSeruhn]

In Soviet Britain, cigarettes smoke you!😂

[@Ojthemighty]

​@@AteshSeruhnsmoke 'US' comrade.

[@dr.2335]

@@Ojthemightycollectivist

[@Stand-up-for-uk]

​@@AteshSeruhn😂😂😂😂😂

[@RMoedoe]

COMRADE DO YOU HAVE YOUR CIGARETTE LICENSE.

[@Pariah108]

£1.95 for 10 Richmond super kings back in the day

[@Eatbutternow]

How dare the plebs think they have any right to make their own decisions

[@Fuxerz]

There is nothing Great about Britain anymore. Sad to say this. All this is coming from America and Brussels. Our American billionaires are doing this with super boy Soros. You need a Trump. God help the British people 🙏 .

[@letsplay2bros679]

The hope lies in the proles

[@tin2001]

I know, right? How dare I think I should be able to go to work and not have cigarette smoke blowing into my workspace. How dare I think about going to collect kids from school without having to take a gas mask. Imagine me thinking I could decide to do those sorts of things.

[@bobdobbs3848]

​@@tin2001exactly

[@cavscout7113]

@@tin2001 Harden up.

[@donniethedealer2623]

New Zealand government have been trying to since the 2000s. The motto was smoke free by 2020, that didn’t work, so they tried banning sale for anyone born after 2008, that also failed and was scraped

[@ICanSeeYou247]

Yeah, now smokes are taxed into oblivion instead

[@donniethedealer2623]

@@ICanSeeYou247 yeah it’s fcking ridiculous, considering the high percentage of low income people who do smoke. It’s no wonder ram raids are such a thing

[@jasonfromguitarcenter]

@@donniethedealer2623Ram Raids?

[@andym2612]

​@@jasonfromguitarcenter Yes "Ram Raids". It's where a group of criminals steal a really big car, like a 4WD, and drive it into the front door of a corner store, steal all the cigarettes and then drive off in another car which has had it's license plates removed temporarily so it can't be traced.

[@donniethedealer2623]

@@jasonfromguitarcenter people steal cars and smash them into shop windows, bottle stores, convenient stores, gas station ect. And then steal everything they can. It’s a huge problem in major cities. Auckland CBD has broken buildings left and right

[@robwatson3027]

The bar at the House of Commons is the only pub in the UK where you can still smoke indoors, because MPs gave themselves an exemption. Isn't that nice?

[@VladfishTheMagnificent]

UK policing is crazy. I'm from the USA. Never once been stopped by police on the streets here. Then, when I spent time in London, I got stopped by constables because they felt I "looked agitated"--whatever the fuck that means. It's a shame what's happening there. It seems like you guys have no rights anymore.

[@andrewmthomson0191]

"looking agitated" sounds like one of those made up reasons for stopping someone. I was once pulled over for driving too close to the white line on the road - so basically in my lane.

[@Zenn_Chan]

Honestly I’d be suspicious of someone in London who DIDN’T look agitated

[@Ojthemighty]

God they'd have a field day with me then

[@Riley_Mundt]

That's something I got in trouble for in high school. Head football coach was giving us freshman a speech and stopped mid-sentence to single me out and ask "why are you scowling at me?" I look at him confused and say "I'm squinting because the sun is right behind you" and rather than just move on he told me to go run a lap around the track.

[@McGregaFletch]

They’ve never ever had rights to begin with though. Some awesome people just living in a depressing authoritarian cold wet grey dirty damp filthy miserable shithole, that’s all. If they don’t mind, why should we?

[@harveybrooks2597]

The burden on the NHS for smoking is around 2 billion but the tax raised from smoking is around 8 billion which means smoking is a net positive in terms of money so the 'tax burden' argument is void. Ands that's not including the money lost to businesses when this comes into effect.

[@kingcosworth2643]

The argument is made invalid because they do not care about sugar and obesity, if anything they promote it now, and heart disease leaves smoking related health problems for dead regarding numbers

[@BQD_Central]

Let's not talk about the massive burden immigration is.

[@otm646]

The numbers don't shake out that straightforward. It's not just the health cost burden. There is a lost productivity to the economy when they're not working, or if they retire early. Not to mention the burden they cause on their families in the reduced productivity there. The actual cost to society is substantially more than that.

[@_minzez_2926]

@@otm646 And all the non smokers are perfect little workers. Never being sick and having days off work, or standing around drinking coffee and talking (they call it "socialising in the work place"), or on their phone, or on facebook, or staring out the window, or getting burned out doing extra work because their co workers are doing the above and more. They are "BeInG sO pRoDuCtIvE", all without smoking. So how big is the non smokers cost/benefit to society? Btw. I can't wait till they make tobacco completely illegal. Gonna be funny watching everyone's faces when all taxes/prices of things, go through the roof to pay for all the "lost revenue" from tobacco tax. They will try to hide it by calling it, and blaming it on, inflation/cost of living. Gotta get that £8 billion back somehow, otherwise it's more cuts to public services/reduction in benefits. Can't take the winter fuel allowance away from pensioners again, when we've done that already now, can we?

[@Gloops01]

Obesity is the biggest burden on the NHS, so I expect they'll introduce rationing next.

[@i_basl]

they say they’ll ban smokin em but nothin bout eating em. become ungovernable

[@alexanderrahl7034]

"Smoking is the leading cause of-" Language is important. They aren't banning Smoking. They are banning "the leading cause" If they succeed, the "leading cause" will change to something else and they will go after that too

[@petermgruhn]

TBtG, I'm not the only person in the world who understands this. There will always be a leading cause. Even if the issue at hand is miniscule.

[@alexanderrahl7034]

@@petermgruhn the goal is the miniscule ones. Go after the big ones first, they're harder to defend, which helps set precedent. Go after the smaller ones later, they're easier to defend, but by now it's happened before and people are used to it

[@sexistspaghettios]

🎯

[@John-o5n3c]

Wide awake people in this thread. This is exactly how it works with control freaks. 👍

[@chainsawsubtlety9828]

No smoking. No Free Speech. No right to self defense. No silently praying to your own God. Do you Brits regret letting The Crown disarm you?

[@RookCity94]

Absolutely. There are 70m people that live in Britain, with only 1.6m guns, with less than 500,000 people owning all of those guns. Yes, we do regret it now more than ever.

[@nealgrimes4382]

No because we were never armed

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

I smoke pot with tobbaco Have many weapons and talk wild and pray on occasion as I'm still torn I'm British and do these things no problem as there is no police patrolling to stop me haha haha Almost like this isn't a common thing and you BS merchants overexaggerate to make it seem like we can't do a damn thing and are in a tyrannical childhood I'm high as hell right now with a large machete on my bed, I'm doing fine if someone comes time looking for troubs, I'll go jail for 3 weeks before public outcry gets me released like it usual does in them situations Oh and people in glass houses.................

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@nealgrimes4382 It was the law for those at or above the station of "Gentleman" (the lowest rank in polite society) to carry a firearm outside for a short period in England! little bits of history we don't really teach or dwell on.

[@christophermonteith2774]

Never had the right to begin with, I don't think. Though, don't think there technically was a law against it either

[@d1ssidentaggressor]

We did this a few years ago in Canada. It’s ridiculous. It’s getting worse. You can’t smoke in public places where you are 5 meters from a door, window or “air intake”. We have entire apartment complexes where you can’t smoke on the property - that includes your own balcony. Madness.

[@hailtothejew1944]

Hes going to mandate some really odd looking red armbands soon

[@Transformers2Fan1]

windmills of peace and tolerance?

[@warthunder9155]

I wish.

[@TGSNT-j9w]

NS germany was not our enemy why haven't you figured that out yet

[@Sathtana]

​@@TGSNT-j9w yes they were

[@apokalypthoapokalypsys9573]

​@@TGSNT-j9wleftist authoritarians are doing bad things therefore natsoc authoritarians are good Nice logic, bro. How about you try some individualism?

[@RandgrisAlmark]

You can't smoke outside. Where the corporations pollute the air you breathe, the water you drink, the food you eat, the very soil you stand upon. We all know corporations hate competition and their lapdogs in the government will jump at the idea of throwing away more of your money.

[@greasybumpkin1661]

Oi Oi Oi do you 'Ave a loisence for trooth tellin' citizun?

[@RandgrisAlmark]

@@greasybumpkin1661 I'm an American. When it comes to the Bri*ish my license comes in .445

[@greasybumpkin1661]

@@RandgrisAlmark Oi Oi Oi we will extradoite you! Don't be going doing those unauthorised meems on our social media takin the bloody piss outta us!

[@JeffBourke]

banned from smoking outside. Soon be banned smoking in your own home and your own care

[@phillipwallace7211]

A person who smokes 20 a day pays about £70 per week into the tax pot. I think he or she has paid their bill when it comes to health care.

[@thegreenfather1978]

Not even close, by a big margin, even with the additional taxes they regularly add.

[@dreddlockz8364]

​@@thegreenfather1978 So if I spend 70 quid a week on cigs, then after 7 years I have my first related NHS appointment. You think 280 quid a month for 7 years wouldn't be enough to cover it? Are you going off the inflated american prices of health care?

[@garymcjerry]

@@thegreenfather1978for reference, that’s about 4 grand a year, multiply that by every smoker and you have your tax losses with this ban. Honestly, that tax alone makes up a sizeable chunk of the NHS budget. It’s ~25million yearly. And that’s from modest estimates.

[@thegreenfather1978]

@@dreddlockz8364 A look at the cost of cancer in 2023 in your country estimated that one lung cancer case costs 920 thousands pounds. 14% of smokers end up having lung cancer in their life. That's 128 800 pounds for lung cancer per smoker, or 35 years of smoking for 70 pounds per week. Add to that the other types of cancer (larynx, bladder, kidney etc), cardiovascular diseases, other respiratory diseases etc... Add to that the consequences of second-hand smoking. And you'll see that tobacco is a net cost for society. You have no idea how expensive health care can be. It's not because you never receive the full bill that the number isn't insane. And yes, in the UK.

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

​@@thegreenfather1978 your thick 😂 those are inflated numbers. And your coping

[@jayjeckel]

I live in the southern USA and almost got a ticket for smoking on hospital grounds... inside my own car with the windows rolled up. The appeals to health were always a cover, it is and always has been about control.

[@Reaper_777-wc7yo]

I’m pretty sure it’s because you were on hospital grounds.

[@kardo_6627]

@@Reaper_777-wc7yoif you can’t do the math on how ridiculous this guy almost was given a ticket for that, no one can help you.

[@benayers8622]

@@kardo_6627 theres a few of these im finding it hard to believe they arent bots or agents its that crazy.. Very sad to clearly not have the brains you were born with 😟

[@Gopnikawa]

I’m convinced my crippling smoking addiction is less harmful than the British Government.

[@ozsteamer2755]

*_Show me the man, I will show you the crime..._* -Lavrentiy Beria (former head of the KGB)- Sir Keir Starmer

[@iainarthur7713]

Why is anyone surprised by this? Starmer's behaviour & character have been clear to see for years.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

It is obviously not clear enough for the UK public since he gets the to reign.

[@petermgruhn]

This one's worth reposting top level... "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."

[@dee3368]

First couple of things Communists always go after... its art, music and anything that gives you a small amount of pleasure. I live in the Northeast United States they're trying to ban the sale and use of tobacco/vapes all together

[@patterofheads256]

New Englanders overwhelmingly support the measure. Smoking is disgusting.

[@MrOnay-px1jx]

​@@patterofheads256then don't do it if you don't want to? Not your place to stop others

[@danzelwasherton1234]

​@@patterofheads256its none of your business what anyone else wants to do. find a life of your own saddo

[@patterofheads256]

@@MrOnay-px1jx Nah I don't play that game. Those degenerates have had decades to learn how to not fling their cigarette butts out car windows and littering the entrance of every building.

[@agentdash8999]

​@@patterofheads256 Classic "freedom loving Americans" trying to suppress other people's rights because they don't like what they're doing

[@MrSTVR]

Cars kill more people than cigarettes. They also make a lot more money. Funny that.

[@housewilma4904]

this is europe dont quote that point to them there governments have been delibratly desgining there citys to make using cars as hard as possible for decades.

[@MisterPerson-fk1tx]

They're way ahead of you buddy.

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

Braindead take Cars are very useful and crucial to human growth and transport smoking does literally nothing but make Money and harm health, are you that dumb you think this is a good comparison?? I'm a smoker and don't think it should be banned but this comment is beyond regarded and you should be embarrassed

[@christophermonteith2774]

One has practical application/ actual benefit, the other has none

[@captinbunt]

oh they dont want us having cars either

[@NarcissistAU]

He must have a 'friend of the party' who builds smoking rooms, those fishbowls with the jet turbine ventilation.

[@acarrillo8277]

As an ex smoker I detest the smell of tobacco smoke and wish that people wouldn't smoke but this is a BS way of going about it.

[@Niterayde]

I can tell you 100% what will happen if you take peoples nicotine away. It won’t be pretty

[@shnorkeythefourth4572]

@@Niteraydethey have patches, chew, and ecigs. Traditional smoking is only one method and I fully support people to do it on private property. Shouldn’t do it around other strangers

[@PvtFlowers]

total zyn supremacy

[@freecat1278]

I don't think he's doing it out of concern for people's health, or he would have addressd the knife problem, & the acid problem, & the poo in the street problem.

[@joeblow229]

Pipe smoker here, I agree, it's BS, but I get it. They have much bigger problems there, but I really don't like it when I travel and I'm sitting in a restaurant, even outside, and people next to me are smoking. I don't complain, but I also understand why there might be support for certain places banning smoking.

[@zmadhatter2340]

If enough people ignore the law then the law doesn't exist

[@knabdank]

try it, they will arrest you, like they arrest people for posting memes or mean facebook status now, england is a joke gestapo state ran by muslims and extremist liberals.

[@t8kabr8km85]

cant wait for PCSOs to try enforcing this bullshit... Ill stand there with them as they get laughed at down the radio

[@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK]

True that I smoke stanky pot and nobody calls the police on me, I cause no issues and leave people to themselves so they don't care Plus most people don't care about crimes that don't hurt them or their loved ones

[@zmadhatter2340]

@@THEBUGSAREBACCCCKKKKKKKKKK same. I walk the streets with a spliff and I've never once been stopped or even harassed

[@christophermonteith2774]

True

[@beng2708]

It's a well published WHO/WEF initiative to eradicate smoking and alcohol.

[@GilesHellier]

The first ban brought the pub industry to its knees. This second ban will be the bullet of mercy. i haven't smoked for 3 years, but I've always hated the smoking ban (that was not voted for, or even vaguely discussed) and I hate this level-2 ban even more.

[@ninyndolvr]

What was that about prison overcrowding Kier?

[@admpandora91]

"doctors and lawyers" is the most hilarious euphemism that will never trigger ad-block

[@petetitterton3141]

It's all bollocks. Tax on tobacco is way more than the cost to the NHS.

[@petermgruhn]

What are the chances it doesn't just go into the general pool anyway?

[@Death_Networks]

Smokers are less than 40% of lung cancer cases.... So.... bull on that one... Not to mention they tax tobacco by what 90% of it's price? Flat tax plus tobacco tax plus VAT... Tobacco brings in more tax than the NHS costs per year... This is stupid

[@NikeaTiber]

Has anyone ever accused queer of intelligence?

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

But no one smokes cigarettes anymore anyway.

[@starlingLee]

What about the cost to the NHS of the faties? Being obese causes more health issues at an earlier age than smokers that effects normally show up in the later years. This has nothing to do with NHS cost.

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

@@starlingLee Anyone else notice that obesity started to increase as fewer people smoked?

[@killtheheretics2915]

@@libertatemadvocatus1797 no?

[@kubabooba548]

I wonder if all the money being "saved" my prohibiting smoking will actually go to the NHS or to Ukraine?

[@Princess_Celestia_]

I question the numbers. Anti-smokers once quoted me a daily death toll from smoking that if it where true, the entier U.S. population would have been dead within a year. Its also important to point out that the number of smokers is decreasing by leaps and bounds each year but the death toll of cancer is only increasing. Makes you wonder how many of them folks who "died from smoking" actually died from cancer caused by something else? They said smoking caused the cancer that killed my old man, but he also worked for years in a used care dealership as a salesman whose sales building was built in the 1950's and had been packed full of asbestos, lead paint and glow in the dark paint made with radioactive material. I always wondered if maybe his working environment is what actually killed him?

[@danzelwasherton1234]

@@Princess_Celestia_ its no secret that carcinogens are used as pesticides but that would be an expensive fix. its easier to blame something else.

[@mattrovis-hermann9194]

If they construct the idea that you are in control of your own health, there is no liability and no one needs to be paid. Absolutely agree with you about the fallacies and their means to control

[@joeblow229]

My Mom died from lung cancer, and it was definitely a combination of smoking cigarettes and stress. Interestingly though, she smoked for years, and was fine, but then started buying them from Israel to avoid the high taxes in the US. A few years later, she got cancer. If people smoked correctly (as in, didn't inhale), I don't think they would get lung cancer. I smoke a tobacco pipe, and my lungs are fine.

[@daviddavidson2357]

Pretty sure that "new car smell" spray they use is carcinogenic as all fuck. Almost certain I read that somewhere.

[@Old_Geezer]

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.” (Albert Camus).

[@tyballard8195]

“Certain stressful events” You look healthier now than you did a month ago. Keep up the good work chap

[@ChronoSquare]

I wonder how stressful the beard loss was

[@shnorkeythefourth4572]

@@ChronoSquaresome zoologists theorize a Scotsman losing his beard takes off as many as 5 years of its life

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

@ChronoSquare he had a sudden loss of income when passers-by didn't mistake him for a homeless.

[@jesseattwood4369]

Already been in effect in Canada since 2015 but it doesn't stop us

[@AzguardMike]

As Nigel said "this is going to cause a black market of cigarettes." Time to stock up on 'baccy and cigarettes and loiter around by pubs "Oi mate, you want a smoke?"

[@reddwarfer999]

How will restricting where you can smoke create a black market for cigarettes?

[@christophermonteith2774]

There already is one

[@mavericmorph5358]

The government never learn...LEAVE US ALONE!

[@codrinmicusan446]

Thank god your beard grows back fast brother dank

[@thetruthwillsetyoufree6420]

The indoor smoking ban ended up with most of our pubs being bought up by big breweries etc 🤔

[@ohnoitisnt]

Funny the unintended consequences of messing about with the markets

[@Shaun-r8n]

Around 90% of the price of a pack of cigarettes is TAX......

[@St_Mindless]

Tobacco duty is fucking insane. 40 cigars is about 400 quid depending on brand. At the airport duty free, I got 50 cigars for 100 quid. That's how much it's taxed

[@christophermonteith2774]

Assuming that people bother to buy the legitimate/ taxable ones. How many do you think actually will, though?

[@benayers8622]

@@St_Mindless in usa its 10x less so for the cost of 20 or 50g you get a carton200 or 500gram!? cigars are a lower tax bracket too ibelieve (because obv the ruling class look after themselves)

[@Zombieturtle187]

I remember in the 90s when you would walk through a literal cloud of smoke to go to the non-smoking section I hate people telling me what to do

[@thegreenfather1978]

Oh year I remember having trouble finding a restaurant where you could see the ceiling. You didn't even need that many smokers to block the view. Great time when you have asthma, too.

[@enternameder]

You never thought you'd miss Boris Johnson did you.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

As a Yank who has no real skin in the game... it's rather alarming how nice Boris Johnson's semi-competent management seems compared to Keir Starmer's bloody control-freak government.

[@enternameder]

@@internetzenmaster8952 i don't live there either and tbf my country isn't much better Sweden) but the way Keir behaves i'm soon expecting red arm bandanas and a funny mustache on him.

[@daviddavidson2357]

@@enternameder On him? More likely would be marching against him, since he's a communist and not a nationalist.

[@i_basl]

internetzenmaster8952 Boris Johnson, famously competent and honest, who made good decisions and did not indirectly kill many in the pandemic

[@ironmike755]

Oy m8, you got a loicence for that cigarette?

[@shaggy44zebra]

Next it's gonna be prescription-based tobacco you can get at dispensaries, like for cannabis in the states (varies state-by-state)

[@ogrimtodeshammer2739]

I get banning Smoking inside but Smoking outside? Bars made even Smoking Areas for smokers!

[@ninjanoodle0944]

Doesn't this remind you of Demolition Man?

[@fatman6660]

1000% the main bad guy looks like KLAUS and funny he uses Wesley snipes to do dirty work until snipes kills him.

[@benayers8622]

i say this alll the time! Theyl be able to use cctv face recognition to fine anyone straight out their bank if they light up.. Wont even get a recipt for toilet paper just a digital mark on your social credit score 😞insanity, time to get a jetski off this rock!

[@dragonforks93]

They are going to make smoking cool again, bravo

[@aceofmaine]

It's always been cool

[@MrHarryFTW]

Restricting personal liberties to 'reduce burden on public services' is an insane precedent that has been set by lockdowns. The cat is fully out the bag on that one and governments won't give it up

[@kennethperren8722]

Is smoking now considered "far right"?

[@jendrizzyy]

Yes

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

Why do I have the feeling this only applies to White British? 🤔

[@sirg-had8821]

Because it only applies to white English men.

[@apokalypthoapokalypsys9573]

​@@sirg-had8821wait, that means white people will be healthier while non-whites will be chain smokers. Is this secretly Keir's master plan?

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

@@sirg-had8821 And that’s fair why?

[@adrian-dragosbalaban6401]

@@Theseus9-cl7ol Alhamdulilah

[@Stand-up-for-uk]

Because ALL laws only apply to white, indigenous men, if you're brown, you have a free pass

[@yardgrid]

I was in a queue last week to get into the match. Absolute scumbag next to me, vaping all over everyone. Thank God for this smart move.

[@St.IsaacOfSyria]

I don't support smoking I don't support drinking I also don't support hookah I also dont support grooming gangs I wonder which of these your dictators are most concerned about

[@jishani1]

You realize, studies on hookah smoking have been conducted for decades due to the prevalance of them in middle eastern culture, right? Medical studies have found that unless you smoke half a kilo of shisha a day, you have no noticable decrease in lung function compared to that of a non smoker. It's like when they tried to demonize vaping in the US because it didn't classify as a tobacco product and was exempt from tobacco taxes. So it got a decade long smear campaign about how vaping is a gateway drug to get you into smoking, when studies (including one funded by the government of England) Found vaping to be 95% less harmful than cigarettes. But you know "smoke" comes out so it's all the same thing, right? This is why you should be required to prove competency in a subject before being allowed to vote on anything pertaining to it.

[@OTB2002]

I mean which one kills the most people per year?

[@ConspiracyPundit]

I left the UK before the pub ban came in and at the time they were talking about banning smoking in your own car, so watch out for that one.

[@agrimshaw92]

That was a ban on smoking in your car with a minor in the car with you, which is now against the law

[@steel8231]

Eh, they did that in my state years ago and nobody follows it. Specifically, they banned smoking within 50 feet of the entrance to a business or public building. It's not enforced. When I was in uni, there was always a crowd of international students smoking in the halls.

[@camerongrant5516]

Lol you have to wonder is this our supreme overlords revenge for clarkson banning him from his new pub ?

[@IparIzar]

He might be the only guy who convinces people who never smoked to start smoking

[@laz3ra]

ain't real, just deflection - "look at this outrageous proposal! pay no mind to everything else!"

[@ApexMining]

They're going to have a bunch of issues on their hands with all the nicotine addicts. Authoritarians being authoritarian

[@samhammich7993]

I remember how irritable I was when I quit, just imagining an entire country at the same time... lol

[@luxie8097]

i wonder if kier owns any shares in nicotine patch companies...

[@andrewkgsmith]

More likely vape companies.​@@luxie8097

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Where are you people living where everyone isn't vaping 24/7?

[@pathfindersavant3988]

So, giving homeless people crack pipes and heroin needles is okay and empowering, but letting normal citizens use thier legally bought cancer sticks is verboten? If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards period.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

Maybe we should shut down the House of Commons' free bar, since we have so many alcohol related illnesses and injuries? Or how about forbid alcohol to politicians, since they need to be at peak performance at all times?

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

in fact... no big mac's or fast food for politicians too, you know, obesity crisis? Or fizzy drinks, don't want to stress dentists do you? Water only, and approved list of foods for politicians.

[@PatchCornAdams723]

Pop lids attached to the bottle. Outdoor smoking ban. Definitely quite important, I can see why these issues are prioritized over everything else. Because the UK is in such good shape, we have time to worry about such tiny things.

[@thesilentmothtrapper4373]

Those lids are so annoying.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

@thesilentmothtrapper4373 I just pull them off. It's only plastic lol.

[@PatchCornAdams723]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer It's the principle though isn't it mate

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

@PatchCornAdams723 I see people at work putting tea bags in the recycling. Like they're going to turn that old bag into a new one. Living in a society means the rules are there to keep the lower class in check.

[@PatchCornAdams723]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer Lol. Very amusing. I see that too. Regardless, I don't think bottle lids being littered was enough of a problem to warrant any attention at all.

[@gayforbrae5693]

why would you ban smoking in a pub if youre 'worried about children and secondhand smoke'? idk if keir knows this but pubs arent exactly full of kids and forcing people out of the pubs into the streets is only going to increase proximity

[@christophermonteith2774]

They shouldn't have kids there, but it doesn't stop it from happening

[@molehansman247]

Kid's parks is a pretty good idea. The rest is pure 1984 insanity

[@Ambientworker]

This reminds me of the IT crowd episode, Jen has to walk about two miles for the work smoking area and talks with Russian accent about the dystopian waste land they find themselves in , fast forward to 2025 and comedy becomes reality.

[@janpetersen7440]

If a government is unable to solve society's big problems, attention can always be diverted from it by throwing itself at the small problems.

[@gptd7178]

Not unable, just unwilling.

[@joeblow229]

California is famous for doing exactly this.

[@TheSaintBigFoot]

Can't smoke a cigarette outside buildings or in parks here in Canada, unless you're homeless, then you can have a beer and a dart while you load a needle and watch the children play

[@jjjzzrrr]

it's about creating hatred between smokers and non smokers then they justify a massive tobacco tax increase with support. i've been living through this horseshit for years in Canada. presently in the park next to my place if i smoke tobacco it's a $1000 fine however, smoking weed, crack, banging heroine that's okay. WTF?

[@Willy_Tepes]

Funny how they keep on creating division. Almost like they want trouble.

[@christophermonteith2774]

No, none of that is ok either. It's sickening that over here in Scotland, that they are trying to make places for people to go and use class A drugs, but if by some miracle it does work as intended, it does mean that it won't be on the streets at least, and can deal with the issues more easily. Sorry for the tangent. Honestly, smoking is still an objectively bad thing though, harming the user, at best inconveniencing those around that don't smoke, if not straight up harming them as well, and most likely not even getting the full taxes that's expected from it, as who would want to pay extra for the privilege of poisoning themselves?

[@kevincurr4641]

​@@christophermonteith2774 I live in Scotland, do you honestly think they won't bring in a ban on smoking outdoors and ridiculous fines? Price per unit for alcohol, going up in September btw, still not banned but using the same principle how long before it's priced out of most people's pockets. Let's contrast with Scotland's soaring drug use how's that illegality worked out? Proposed opening of drug centre's great if it's not on your doorstep, especially for the anti drugs, anti smoking, anti drinking puritan's leafy suburbs. You're entitled to your opinion, you want smoking banned entirely. In my opinion, it's freedom of choice that's being attacked.

[@jjjzzrrr]

@@christophermonteith2774 it's not going to work trust me I know, it doesn't work where I live and it won't where you are either, the problem being the same.Drug addiction requires rehab safe sites only compound the problem.

[@cannz9134]

Point of reflection: 2005 ish ... the government state that any smoking ban would only apply to where people are eating food. "Nobody is suggesting banning people from smoking in pubs". The ban was eventually rolled out in Scotland first