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0:00 Introduction & Preflight
2:06 Takeoff
2:35 Crow Landing
3:31 Crow Landing
3:56 Go-arounds (Why I prefer crow)
5:05 Standard Flap Landing
5:47 ‪@TailHeavyProductions‬ Callout \ Standard Flap Landing
6:30 Standard Flap Landing
7:05 Crow Landing \ Thrust Reverse \ Post-flight
8:06 Preflight
8:25 Takeoff
9:00 Standard Flap Landing
9:55 Differences in Techniques \ Standard Flap Landing
10:44 Crow Landing
11:25 Crow Landing
12:10 Crow Landing
12:27 Standard Flap Landing \ Go-around
14:04 Standard Flap Landing \ Thrust Reverse \ Post-flight
14:48 Preflight
16:13 Takeoff \ Standard Flaps Landing \ Thoughts
17:20 Standard Flap Landing
17:54 GoPro Overheated \ Cooldown \ Takeoff
18:40 Standard Flap Landing
19:14 Crow Landing \ Thoughts
19:54 Crow Landing
20:35 Crow Landing
21:18 Standard Flap Landing
21:52 Standard Flap Landing \ Late Thrust Reverse
22:21 Postflight

[@Donkey_Balls]

I wanna be your friend, just so I can have your broken shit.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Swing by Raleigh, NC and I'll unload all of my leftover foam bits for ya.

[@Donkey_Balls]

@@TwoBrosRC ✌️

[@ALonelyCorsair]

Damn, ain’t coming over as a New Yorker…

[@dagobertosalazar]

Hi! I'm not nearly an expert pilot like you but I think you're doing something strange: When lifting off, you almost always first retract flaps and then you retract the landing gear. It shall be the opposite: You should first retract the landing landing gear, thus reducing drag and increasing airspeed, and only then do you retract flaps. If you retract flaps too early, you risk causing a stall because you may have not reached the airspeed appropriate for that wing configuration. Pay close attention to full-scale aircraft, and you'll confirm that that's the sequence they use: 1st retract gear, 2nd retract flaps.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You'd be correct if this was a full scale jet. The order of operations would necessitate retracting gear first to minimize drag, then retract flaps after reaching positive climb at a certain speed. This is a model jet with just over a 1 to 1 thrust to weight ratio so it doesn't make a bit of difference. Once it climbs it's already at a power setting that would prevent a stall from forming unless one were to pull the elevator excessively to induce an accelerated stall. Gear and flaps out make no difference.

[@ficosk8]

Pues que pequeno es el mundo! Este comentario lo leí hace algunos meses cuando comenze a averiguar acerca de EDFs xD Enhorabuena Dagoberto, miraré tu canal :D

[@dsmdriver2588]

Just want to say THANK You!!! I've been flying 3d for 20 years and I could not land these darn EDFs. I kept crashing my Futura. I told my wife I'm done with jets and was about throw it in the garbage. I watched this video and your other landing video about 4 times. I glued my Futura back together and can now land perfectly!!! The biggest thing for me was about extending flaps only during the final approach and keeping the speed up. Thank u thank u thank u!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Happy to help!

[@franciscoduran3688]

You mean with crow or only flaps? I don´t get your opinion about extending flaps only during the final approach. It seems that John extends them in high altitude but near, to loose altitude and speed. I do that with my stall planes after I tried it on my first glider... I´m about to start with my first jet, an FMS Avanti v1 in perfect conditions. Motivation was also John´s channel :P After watching this video I realized that landing with flaps isn´t so easy. Maybe I´ll try crow first. But need to see for the right setup too.

[@ficosk8]

Hi Jonathan, I have seen this video a couple of times in the last months :) I´ll try crow in the near future. I have ordered the 90mm Viper from FMS and to practice the smaller 70mm :) But currently I´m practicing with my 64mm Futura. Landing with full flaps is very good. After many landings I installed and tried FMSs Reflex out but that compensates my elevator down with flaps so I need to push the plane down or I get too slow. Either way those are good trainings to learn how edfs fly :)

[@johanopperman8039]

Nice landings Jon. Enjoy your video's thanks for sharing 😊

[@TwoBrosRC]

Anytime Johan, thanks for watching!

[@RonHansen-vi5ug]

Hey Jon Great video these types of videos are so helpful. I am new to this hobby and learning so much and the neat thing is I can see the plane & your hand movement on the transmitter. I just got a habu 50mm and this just give me more confidence. Great work Thanks

[@lancelink88]

Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@RusstickDoom]

Thanks for the demo, I’ve been having issues landing a T-33. I’ll set up crow for sure and see how it goes.

[@davidharrington956]

As I have said before ,your flying abilities are off the charts .

[@mikeinspace20xx]

Nice video dude!

[@thebunkreport]

I know several people whose hand movements are like yours. I don't think it is really out of the ordinary. In fact, it might be better to fly like that because you can avoid overcorrection by making constant small inputs.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Happy to hear it!

[@Donkey_Balls]

Thanks for the videos.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Anytime man, you know how I do.

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

Thanks for the tips. Very helpful. I am still in the middle of the video hopefully you will show at some point how to set crow 💪

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

I just realized that crow may not be possible to be use since I am using the reflex gyro. Isn’t it??

[@TwoBrosRC]

Crow setup was mentioned in kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk - and you'll need to remove Reflex to do it.

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

@@TwoBrosRC thank you so much. I learned from you a lot 👌

[@KalibasauRC_64]

Nice to learn land rc jet

[@Ziet1]

GREAT video as always nice and easy to follow. I plan to try out your CROW setup on my Viper 90. What is a good starting point for UP (amount) on the alerions, using full landing flaps. Any help much apricated. From UK.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Try following our setup guide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@jeffhenderson934]

The 90mm Viper is without a doubt the easiest edf to fly and for me the most uneventful to land. Watching this video, my best out 6 maiden day landings weren’t as good as your worst landing. Crow hasn’t been added yet, flap only, but I seem to be carrying more speed. My ix12 calls out “Timer Off” when I go below 25% throttle, so I know where I’m at power-wise. Our runway is a little on the short side, but if I get the glide-slope correct it’s not an issue. Where I have destroyed countless nose gear pins on the Eflite a-10, 70mm Viper, 70mm Thunderbird is on the flare. It porpoises, I climb, I panic, I push the nose down and slam the nose gear. (I’m typically flying at 90/30, with a low rate at 70/30, that I really never use) On Flap Only landings should I go to low rates and increase the expo to at least 50%? Oh! And thanks for the tip or thoughts on really getting the CG dialed in on the 2 Freeway T-33’s and L-39. Battery placement full forward is where all 3 jets fly the best, but it made every landing a 3 pointer at best. Moving the battery back to where it CG’s perfectly made for some interesting first couple of laps, but much better “Mains First” landings. Had it not been your tip I would’ve continued to complain, “I just don’t get it! It flies on rails, perfectly level flights, I just can’t get the nose up on landings!”

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nose heaviness is usually the cause of porpoising - so many "influencers" on KZbin recommend objectively terrible setups for model aircraft that result in them flying poorly. One huge tip - if something begins to porpoise, don't push the nose down in a panic. Try pushing the nose down as the jet approaches and trade altitude for airspeed. About five feet off the ground, let it level out and bleed off more airspeed, then slowly add in some elevator to flare it. With the CG set up right, a lot of aircraft will land perfectly fine like this. The Viper definitely does. Crow just makes the technique consistent in wind, but it lands beautifully without crow.

[@john9663]

Is that airstrip a FRIA? If not, what kind of 'permissions' (according to FAA 'guidance' in any event) do you need to get to fly in this airspace. Awesome area to fly in. Great video, my jet wings are a little further down the tarmac, but your video is encouraging. All the best.

[@TwoBrosRC]

This was shot long before the FAA Remote ID rules came into effect. All you need for a place like this is permission from the owner of the property and a Remote ID module.

[@john9663]

@@TwoBrosRC Just took the FAA TRUST course/exam recently so I'm trying to see how all this works in the 'real' world. Thanks for your reply. Great channel.

[@RC-planes.]

Im so happy for you bro, honestly ❤️

[@DownNDirtyRc]

Maybe tomorrow I'll be able to pull off a one-piece with my viper I've got to wait and see what the wind is doing. I haven't had much luck landing this thing clean yet

[@edhenry5422]

Great tutorial. Do you have one about how to setup crow? I have a new viper 90 and nx10 transmitter.

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@lonezombieheart7808]

How did you align with the runway if you dont come exactly in. I try it with rudder but the plane sinks very strong when i give left or right rudder with standard flaps.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Slight amounts of rudder with a bit of opposite aileron to counter the wing drop. A little bit of thrust helps as well.

[@rudypascua4745]

On the crow mix, do you also add some down elevator. I tried crow, but jet pops upward when activated.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Of course - it's basically required. Setup info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@grantlouis2688]

Love your videos.. what percent do you set your crow at? Thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

All the info is right here for ya: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@franciscoduran3688]

Thanks for the video! Super cool as always! It is just a bit annoing that you speak quite fast and talk inbetween about other things. But propably it´s more difficult for me as my mother languages are spanish and german and I´m also an Rookie pilot xD As I wrote in another comment, I´m about to start with my first jet (FMS Avanti v1 second hand but as new, because of a F3A german champion) after I got some inspiration of your channel! Just need to look for flap and flap+crow setup (elevator down correction ?) and probably keep practicing on the sim. Thanks again!

[@TwoBrosRC]

Join us on Discord and feel free to ask away for help: bit.ly/TBRCDiscord

[@JoseOrtega-df3zj]

How much up of crow do you have on the ailerons? also how much Elevator down you use? Thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@lextek595]

So were all the landing with full flaps? Would you use half if there was more wind?

[@TwoBrosRC]

If there's wind, I usually just land with crow so as to overcome wind shear. You should be able to hear what flap settings I was using. Unless you heard "Flaps 50" as the final callout, it was full flaps. :)

[@Donkey_Balls]

Can you recommend a screw assortment for these foam planes? Everything I see on Amazon seems to be for RC cars( machined bolts rather than screws).

[@TwoBrosRC]

I actually can't, I don't buy aftermarket screws.

[@lw216316]

have you checked with RTL

[@Donkey_Balls]

@@lw216316 I can check it out.

[@MarkJones-100]

Hi Jon. Is crow ok landing in 10mph + winds. More throttle?

[@TwoBrosRC]

I'd land with crow in those kinds of wind. You'll still need throttle to do it.

[@dalezesiger9873]

Good stuff. How I wish I had your RC flying skills. I am so torn on a decision between the awesome 90mm Viper and the Eflite 64mm A-10. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

[@TwoBrosRC]

The Viper is a more capable jet than the A-10 - we'd highly recommend it. For once, it's actually in stock too: bit.ly/45w8mFE Definitely buy it ASAP if you're interested in it - the jet never stays in stock for long. We've got a full setup guide as well that you may find useful: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@dalezesiger9873]

@@TwoBrosRC Very good to know coming from someone who "knows". I am ordering the 90mm Viper. Thanks!

[@dalezesiger9873]

I just watched your Viper flight again, sorry to bother you, but would you be so kind as to run that servo upgrade by me again? If you have a link so I can get them, I would be most grateful! Thanks.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@dalezesiger9873 tinyurl.com/B13DLM are the servos we use.

[@dalezesiger9873]

@@TwoBrosRC Sweet. Got it. Thanks a ton!

[@crashkorey]

Is there a video on setting up crow

[@TwoBrosRC]

It was linked in a card, but here's the setup I fly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@TheHelicapt]

Without a crow setup and decent 12 mph head wind will landing with just flaps and cutting power work ok ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Land without flaps in strong wind. It'll be easier.

[@TheHelicapt]

@@TwoBrosRC Ah. Good point.

[@davidgerlach1132]

I'm curious about "crow" setup. I understand that at the heart it's very simple: the flaps go down and the ailerons go up, etc. adding drag and making the glide path steeper. But what about the opposite: the flaps go "up" and the ailerons go "down" I think this would have different results and maybe suprising in breaking?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Ailerons going down would create wash-in instead of washout, which would negatively impact stall characteristics in a less than desirable way.

[@davidgerlach1132]

@@TwoBrosRC Just my whacky thought... I'm finding that only for landing the Viper 70mm using SAFE helps me a great deal to keep the wings level and add a touch off up elevator so I can ascend smoothly. I had used to NOT use SAFE and go from high rate to low rate when ascending to help cushion anything overcorrection. Flying and landing any RC aircraft for me is like being a doctor, I'm always in practice.

[@toddflyer]

Are there any landing gear upgrades available for the Viper 90mm?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The gear on that jet are best-in-class. Other jets wish they had gear that good. You're not going to find any upgrades for it.

[@toddflyer]

@@TwoBrosRC Ok. Thank you for the reply. I agree. Its an awesome jet.

[@loypopop7680]

I also like to use crow when flying. (I have never flown an airplane before, nor do I know what crow is)

[@TwoBrosRC]

🐦‍⬛

[@MATETRAP1]

How do I set up crow on an 8channel receiver? and NX8

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@Boeing767DriverAA]

As a newbie my biggest problem is when the a/c is on final and I can't seem to get the aileron inputs correct when the a/c is coming towards me I get the inputs reversed. Of course when the a/c is flying away from me I put myself as if I was in the a/c and the inputs are seemless once I get established on final is when I start to over correct the inputs in the wrong direction. I wish someone would explain that skill and how to do it correctly.

[@TwoBrosRC]

More transmitter expo would help for sure. But keeping in mind that the directions are inverted when it's headed at you will help too.

[@lesterstanislas5590]

Do you have? a tutorial video on setting-up crow.

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk

[@old-rcplane-phart]

I see they finally bush hogged! 👍

[@gr8motive]

May i ask how much more thr you have with crow vs regular flaps?

[@TwoBrosRC]

"thr" being throttle? You can see the stick movements I'm using - I generally need 30 to 50% throttle to bring the jet in due to the amount of drag crow generates.

[@gr8motive]

@@TwoBrosRC yes, i meant throttle :) So quite a good amount more than regular flaps then. Any idea what the stall speed with crow is on the last final, before the wings drop, ish?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@gr8motive There's no way to tell, but based on guesswork I'd say 25 MPH is about the absolute limit with crow on a nose-up attitude.

[@Alino-lz3bq]

I'm basicly new to the hobby and I wanted to ask what crow is?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Ailerons up, flaps down.

[@Alino-lz3bq]

@@TwoBrosRC thank you

[@gr8motive]

May i ask how you assign a manual callout for remaining esc/power?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Depends, what kind of radio are you using?

[@gr8motive]

@@TwoBrosRC i got a NX8, but maybe i need a 12 or 20 for this?

[@TwoBrosRC]

8ch minimum for a crow setup on the Viper 90. 10 would be best so you could still switch between AS3X and SAFE.

[@gr8motive]

@@TwoBrosRC sorry, i think you misunderstood. I mean the telemtry and current callout. Looks like you flip a switch to manually get a reading from the esc, or was i just seeing wrong?

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@gr8motive Yeah... No idea how we missed that one. Sorry! We use a switch for activating the callout. Read over the audio events section of the NX manual, there should be some info on it there.

[@jeffhenderson934]

Big Jon, I finally bought the 90mm Viper. (I was waiting till I crashed the 70mm Viper. It seems to be uncrashable, I’ve tried) I can’t find your video on adding crow. Can you help a brother out?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk ;)

[@jeffhenderson934]

@@TwoBrosRC Kool & The Gang! Can’t wait to try it. As the older I get, the more risk adverse I seem to be. I’ll also setup the 70mm Viper with crow and get a feel for it. One since it’s uncrashable and two, it’s considerably cheaper than the 90mm Viper. (My mamma didn’t raise no dummies….)

[@kennyharke366]

What is Crow?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Ailerons up, flaps down.

[@philippeneuhaus5694]

Learning yust by doing

[@TwoBrosRC]

That's a great way to learn.

[@stephandevriesere3667]

Nice video. Is it just me or are most American flyers always coming in high for landing? I don't know if it's just because i'm looking at video so i don't see depth, but it looks to me almost all come in very high to land. I always try to come in low to bleed of speed and have a smooth landing. It almost looks like you dive to land lol.

[@TwoBrosRC]

I have trees to contend with and they're quite tall, so I prefer to come in over them.

[@stephandevriesere3667]

@@TwoBrosRC It would be difficult to go through them hahaha. Is there no other way to come in low for landing? As i said, i do not see depth on video so i have no idea how far or close these trees are. If possible you could try to make a landingstrip that is better for a low approach. It will make your landings a lot better and smoother (not saying you can't land).

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@stephandevriesere3667 I can't really "make" a landing strip. I'm flying at an airport and the property isn't mine. I just work with what I've got. With regard to height, I have flatter approaches with crow than I do with standard flaps - if I try to maintain a glide slope using throttle with standard flaps, the jet will keep flying indefinitely and will not maintain a proper slope. Power is needed for crow so it doesn't fall out of the sky. The standard technique for landing with flaps alone in a jet like this is to keep the nose pushed down to maintain airspeed until flaring - coming in with altitude is kind of a requirement there. Additionally, wind shear is a big factor at this airport and I prefer to have some altitude buffer so I can react to the model suddenly dropping 10 to 20 feet at a time on approach. It's not susceptible to shear until it's in landing configuration.

[@stephandevriesere3667]

@@TwoBrosRC oké, i didn’t know you were on the airport. I mean, i did see there is an airport but not that you were AT the airport. Also i need to mention that i haven’t flown much jets, and i always had a huge field to fly at. Not much trees there. Next time i’m going to try your way, maybe i even like it 😁👍

[@danieldmytriw3276]

What is CROW?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Ailerons up, flaps down.

[@lesterstanislas5590]

What is crow? Is it an acronym

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's not an acronym. It means ailerons up and flaps down, as mentioned in the vid. :)

[@mauriciobernalgalvis]

Mi Jet, una vez aterriza, rebota como una pelota y se.estrella. como.lo corrido??

[@TwoBrosRC]

Flare it and drop airspeed before landing.

[@TheHelicapt]

What’s “crow” mean

[@TwoBrosRC]

Flaps down, ailerons up.

[@bluuwatergt]

I’m eating a cookie and it’s shaped like an amogus

[@TwoBrosRC]

ඞ

[@Technicallyaddicted]

Can you explain to me why the ix20 is so popular and considered a worthwhile investment when the tandem x20s does everything it does and more for 1/4 the price? I’m not being judgmental, I just don’t understand why people swear by spektrum so hard.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Answered ya in Discord the other day, surprised you missed it!

[@cagefreecleric1834]

What's crow ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4aye5uCp7icmNk