Learn Beginner 3D Flying Techniques

[@TheFrenchPug]

The "Harrier" is me trying to land!

[@thomasseeley8124]

Lol. I've maneuvered into a harrier trying to land a twin engine plane for the first time. I didn't even know it was a maneuver. I can now say though, harrier with twin engine is super stable

[@Gavinfootball734-vlogs]

Then you’re pretty good at landing

[@Swaziman919]

Dude so true i do that with taildraggers i first started on pheonix flight sim i did no🤣🤣t think anything if it i showed my dad me doing it i was like 7 and my dad still scolded me about landing like that because i will break the plane i thought it was a normal stall

[@TheFrenchPug]

@Swaziman919 Nothing wrong with that! It takes some serious skill to do and very nimble fingers or thumbs. I had a Sukhoi I would fly up and down my street block then hover in front of my house. The neighbors were always blown away by it. Then, I started building jets.

[@Swaziman919]

@@TheFrenchPug thanks for the support i havent flown in a couple of years and im trying to get back and do aerobics again…could you suggest any jet plane ideas or designs in the future for me?

[@SteveGergetz]

Dang man, you can fly! But more importantly, I really liked the simple, straight-forward, no-frills, no-stupid music, clear explanations of HOW to do various maneuvers. Thanks! I subbed.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Oh, you'll probably hate our new vids then. We use music extensively to set the mood, but it shouldn't be too overbearing. Appreciate the view, and hope you'll stick around!

[@alanjust]

Just the video I’ve been searching for. Awesome step by step instruction in clear non technical language. Thank you John.

[@justaguy8841]

Thanks for posting John, that was a great video and I learned a lot!

[@FarmerFpv]

I had the left ESC Thermal cut on my E-Flte EC-1500 Twin during a fast pass and I saved it but didn't save my underwear. lol

[@timelewis]

Thanks for these training videos. Get well soon!

[@SteffenRC]

Jon, Outstanding instruction. Always appreciate you videos and learning what is possible with the right setup and technique......

[@mr.y1965]

Finally, a good video with 3D school 🥳

[@lesterstanislas5590]

Thanks again Jon.

[@captnjim.]

Great job with this video, I really like the narration. (I also like the play-by-play as you fly but this was great.) I look forward to seeing more in this series.

[@Cyberdyne_research]

Holy crap I’ll never doubt your ability again. Bro my bad. On another video I commented that you had no skill or something like that(I don’t even remember context). Boy was I wrong. Thanks for this info 🤴. Pro tip for anyone who needs it: If you get confused when coming towards you, imagine a little model of your plane on the right stick. It’s going to mimic that imaginary model regardless of direction.

[@OaklanAaron]

The dude is a pretty sick RC pilot. He is my favorite pilot to watch

[@procatprocat9647]

Great video. I used to fly 3D and would like to start gentle rc flying again. Unfortunately, as an alcoholic, my coordination and general loss of abilities make it impossible. Enjoy it while you can !

[@monchichis333]

I love flying in wind, once you flow with it, you just feel like you're surfing in the air. I also live in a valley in southern california, so the wind never stops. I got mad practice and stick time by just easing into the wind.

[@TwoBrosRC]

That's the right attitude to have!

[@nathanyoder4312]

Thanks been wanting a video like this!

[@TwoBrosRC]

No problem!

[@jive7777]

Great job again, Jon! Thanks for the tutorials, very helpful and informative. Love those knife edge spins! I had my Extra 300 out today, went well. Not much for 3D tho, as I am too nervous to try much😆 In Real Flight 9.5s, I am a master at hovering and torque rolls. In real life, I don't have much luck. I'll keep trying. Thanks again for all the fun content!

[@madatthesky7588]

You are just as good and capable in "real life", you just need the confidence to do it

[@Coops777]

Great video thankyou!!

[@derekterry4157]

Thanks for another great Video Jon! I found it very useful. You deserve all the KZbin success in the world.

[@A.M.-RC]

Great video! Practice makes perfect but describing what you actually need to do to get started helps a lot, thanks for the video!

[@schraubergott46]

love this video, i think this will help me so much with my first 3d test flight :) thank you!

[@austinlangley4539]

Glad to see you back

[@trondaustad8617]

Good video. I start to try this 3d flight so this was very useful for me. Still working on that harrier and 4 point rool . Lot of and plenty of frustration.

[@lamaranderson3048]

Good vid my guy!

[@HORRUS29]

I've been flying since I was 16, I'm 41 now and loved this video. My cousin taught me to fly and he built all my planes. He recently passed and now I'm trying to learn to build them myself. Could you do a video on how to set up the electronics inside the plane? Such as where all the connections plug into?

[@TwoBrosRC]

This is a bind and fly model, meaning all the electronics work is done by the factory. Other channels have gone over that process though!

[@waynemiller6070]

Very helpful. Thanks.

[@nathanyoder4312]

I wouldn’t mind u making some more vids of u flying the turbo timber or a similar model of off the water some more! I have watched you wringing out the tte on floats probably 15 times I love it! That’s what I have and have been practicing a lot!

[@GStrauss]

Another great video Jon! Thanks! Can u please explain how to do a perfect high alpha? How different it is from the hover going forward?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Didn't we cover that in the vid for you?

[@stevenpaulin448]

So impressive. I can't imagine how much time, over how many years, that it must take to get this good. You fly so many planes so well, too. Stumbled over the turbo timber on floats video first. Subscribed and watched many more, in awe. How often do you fly on a weekly basis?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Thanks Steven! I've flown full scale simulators and arcade flight games since I was a kid - I'm 38 now. I only got into hobby grade radio control in August of 2020. January of 2021 is when I decided to stop wrecking Timbers and do almost anything without crashing. That was a long learning curve of flying almost daily for six months. I only fly once or twice a week at most these days. A lot of the content you see on the channel now was shot a week in advance, minimum.

[@atomx261]

Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Browneye57]

Which model to learn on?? When do you graduate from sport flying? The last video I watched was on landings and the advice to practice so I did and now I can land without ending up in the weeds. We have a kid at the local field that is a 3D champ - it’s just amazing to watch. Yeah, he flies the really big gassers.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Something smaller might help, but this plane taught us a lot of 3D. Really just depends on you.

[@franciscojavierdurangraeff1054]

Great Job!

[@TamiamiParkFlyers]

Excellent video!

[@simons6208]

Looks another of Fun

[@nukerecoil]

Two bros! I see at 7:44 mark your ailerons are also acting as the elevator can you video about this and why setting this up, please

[@TwoBrosRC]

Join Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc and ask for help in the #tech-and-setup channel!

[@nukerecoil]

Cool I'll check it out, thanks

[@juliandevr1]

Awesome what you can do with those models Jon! Im just getting started in the hobby and got my first plane. I find it difficult to keep the throttle at a certain position when steering with rudder. Any tips on that?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Practice! Focus on learning to control the rudder while throttle is maintained. It'll be vital to growth as a pilot. Even if it feels weird or uncomfortable, keep working at it. You'll show improvement if you keep doing it.

[@ChrisB...]

No idea why this video showed up in my feed, but I have two 3D planes (electric and 4-stroke gas) hanging in my garage that I haven't flown in 10 years. Going to give it a go this weekend if I can get the batteries charged!

[@lamaranderson3048]

What up Jon!? I’m still trying to fix my Fms arctic camo A-10 but the front retract hasn’t been in stock for 30 years… you happen to know of any other front retract that would work for it??? With as little modifications as possible??

[@TwoBrosRC]

Buy it off AliExpress. It's probably in stock there.

[@RemedyTalon]

I tried a waterfall on my T-28 and it was immediately apparent that it was outside of the Trojans flight envelope.. Also upon trying to complete the maneuver while inverted I was flying with the wind so it also stalled the wing. It plowed into the ground and was a total loss. I'll buy the Extra 300 before I try more 3D

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yeah, that's not a 3D airframe lol Good on you for trying out something different though!

[@viensonvarouler3351]

always remember to get the 3 mistakes high when you're learning it might save you a LOT money

[@hotheadedfilmshhf6734]

Great video, thank you. Im sure ill be back time and time again because its impossible for me to retain all of this at once. 😂 one quick question. How much harder are planes like this to fly then ones like the Eratics?

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's a little harder. More prone to stalling, requires more knowledge of flight - but a lot of it can be mitigated by proper throttle usage. Follow the guide and you'll be OK!

[@Larry-t5g]

Brilliant flying John. I take it you have removed the gyro RX?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nah, it's flying with it. Thanks

[@Larry-t5g]

@@TwoBrosRC then how do program both ailerons to raise together. They're both on the same channel aren't they?

[@superjusty2336]

Where do I get your setups? Just found your channel I love it !! Thanks

[@TwoBrosRC]

Search YT for "Two brothers extra 300 setup"

[@andrewasdel4230]

Why is inverted harrier flown at much lower AoA than upright? I usually see it that way, as here. With my own plane, if I try for higher alpha in inverted harrier, the plane wants to go into an inverted spin, but idk if that's just a quirk of the airframe.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It can be flown more aggressively. Just depends on how comfortable you are with the maneuver.

[@jasegazzard3743]

Hi nice vid, is the cg best slightly tail heavy nose heavy or straight level? Cheers

[@TwoBrosRC]

CG is a matter of personal opinion - find what works best for your style of flying and go with it!

[@amarinnemesis]

Trying to figure out the Harrier setup. Did u remove the AR 631 capacitor installed in Channel 6 and connect the alerón to it to enable the dual aleron for the harrier feature?

[@TwoBrosRC]

This'll help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCVdoKJd7eomZI

[@old-rcplane-phart]

I feel ya Jon on the CV19! It put me a day away from being in death's coffin.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's no fun at all. Glad to hear you recovered.

[@burlingtonfilms]

Does your rudder tail wiggle by itself sometimes? Mine wiggles now and it doesn't stop.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Move the pushrod in a hole on the servo arm and recenter it. The servo can easily hit a harmonic resonance and flutter until the battery dies if you don't do this.

[@imtherandom1-780]

Did you have to change any of the servos for it to move the flaps that much?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope, the servos are capable of throwing that far.

[@SiangHng]

How is it both the ailerons are up together with his elevator on harrier? How do you set that?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCVdoKJd7eomZI

[@SiangHng]

Thank you so much. I’ll go check it out…

[@SkySurferG]

How do you get BOTH alierons pointing up ? Do you have ELE mixed in with AIL somehow ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCVdoKJd7eomZI

[@SkySurferG]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks !

[@moschidreamer]

2:47 Äh... both ailerons up? How do I do this?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Look for our setup guide.

[@Boeing767DriverAA]

Get Well Jon

[@E300-XYZ]

This is not stock setup, cause you are using spoilerons, right ? How to make spoilerons setup, in which channel on RX need to connect left ailerons and right (Left on channel 2, right on channel 6) ? Thank you.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Setup info is in the description. Follow the link to the vid describing what to do.

[@shahram677]

Did u add any weight to the tail ?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Nope.

[@serwinhoo]

are the stock servos, ESC and motor good? Also, how much does your battery weight? Is it safe to order it from Amazon? (2x cheaper in my country than local stores)

[@TwoBrosRC]

The stock equipment is completely fine. No idea on what the specific battery weighs, not sure why ordering from Amazon wouldn't be safe.

[@serwinhoo]

@@TwoBrosRC Thanks! Also, with 2200 4S battery, how long flight time can I expect? And is it for one flight, or maybe 2/3?

[@waynemiller6070]

We got the Extra 300 yesterday. It started raining during radio set up. Looks like I wont be able to fly it for nearly a week. Argh. I'm thinking I'll run it pretty stock at first. I'm interested in the Harrier configuration on your set up video, but more importantly, this plane really should have come with onboard battery monitoring through the transmitter. Is that called telemetry? Sorry, I'm new to electrics. I see that you have set that up, but do I need to swap out receivers to do it? edit: I'm using an NX8.

[@TwoBrosRC]

You'll need to run a voltage wire to an AR637T or use an Avian 60 amp ESC connected to the stock AR631 receiver to get voltage telemetry.

[@MWall711]

What do you use for expo for your 3D flying?

[@TwoBrosRC]

About 50% these days.

[@ryanyoung54]

🙌🙌🥳

[@maddadbikes]

Do you prefer the extra 300 or ultimate biplane for 3d?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Extra, generally.

[@donalddodier9022]

How did you setup the ailerons to both go up? I have been trying with no success. FYI I have an IX12 so I would expect it would be done the same way you have your IX20se.

[@TwoBrosRC]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJCVdoKJd7eomZI

[@smacfe]

Would you recommend learning to fly in a normal/ precision manner before 3d? Most guys I see trying to fly 3D can’t fly worth a darn and then get frustrated thinking they are a step away from sponsorship.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Depends on you. 3D skills translate to every other aspect of flight. We learned how to do 3D and can perform precise maneuvers easier because of it.

[@JSXDrift]

Are there any good planes that won’t break every single time you crash?

[@TwoBrosRC]

This is a pretty good one for that.

[@mattoprc]

Eflite ultimate 3d or extra 300? Better choice?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Extra is a better model in general.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

I have a UMX Timber X, will learning 3d flight be harder on this plane (because of its size) as oppose to the full size Timber X?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Yes. Being smaller makes it more difficult to fly some of these maneuvers.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

@@TwoBrosRC well, I guess I'll just have to suck it up and learn, I don't have the space for a larger plane.

[@millerrc5829]

@@Razor-gx2dq if you have room for em,a 32 profile plane will be easier for leaning 3D. I’d recommend any of the twisted hobby’s 32in standard series’s planes or if on a tight budget motion rc’s skynetic Piaget will do easier 3D than a Umx.

[@bgblindt]

Curious what you are using for dual rates on this plane?

[@TwoBrosRC]

150% throws with 70% expo.

[@DavidParkerMedia]

Do you use xpo?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Of course.

[@akmalmarzuki8660]

What brand plane is this??

[@TwoBrosRC]

E-flite

[@arrobrewer2730]

0:38 just dont move the sticks that far. I fly 3D full throws all the time. Only reduce throws to take off.

[@TwoBrosRC]

🆗️

[@Joshua-jf3df]

When you say 150% rates how do you set 150%. My transmitter doesn't let me go past 100

[@TwoBrosRC]

150 travel, 100 rate.

[@WickedMoto]

i want to learn 3d but cant bring mysellf to do it outside the sim.. i doubt myself and dont think i can do it

[@TwoBrosRC]

Practice makes perfect. The more you do it, the easier it gets.

[@WickedMoto]

@@TwoBrosRC been trying it on the sim for 2 years now and can barely hover and thats 98 days worth of hours just on 3 d

[@TwoBrosRC]

Try it up high IRL with a model that's designed for 3D. Sims aren't really that useful for practice.

[@jordyb323]

I feel like my CG is too far forward won't stick the nose up enough

[@TwoBrosRC]

Use a lighter battery.

[@old-rcplane-phart]

Perfect 3d bird! BUT, HH has lost their minds on the $$ of the Extra 300! 1st 1 I bought was $329. 2nd was $359. $400 is way overpriced for what little u get. NO avian, pinch hinges (good rudder hinges), cheapo esc, is too much. IMHO! That being said, for $50 more 1 can get into 80mm edf's!🤷‍♂️

[@old-rcplane-phart]

AS much as I love mine, it's rarely flown nowadays.

[@TwoBrosRC]

It's still best in class at its price and size. There aren't really any other models this good out there.

[@mr.y1965]

Leider werden die Teile in Europa ( Deutschland) viel teurer verkauft. So ein Flieger kostet bis zu 500€🤦🏼 Für 900€ könnte ich einen gebrauchten, fast neuen( Glasfaserkunststoff Rumpf)voll ausgestatteten Extra mit 2,4m Spannweite kaufen, jetzt macht ein Vergleich.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Unfortunate.

[@Krash_fpv]

Dude rolling harriers are killen me I can't do them fast in high alpha like that I felt like I can't get the throttle control down...I can do them little slower high up in a circle but that's level not high alpha.....shit is roug

[@TwoBrosRC]

The more you practice the better you'll get at it. Keep trying and you'll get it!

[@SquiggyWigginz]

Yea, get all that kid?

[@TwoBrosRC]

???

[@JohnSolimanMBA]

Is this Kurt?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Do what now?

[@Bombadil195]

Realflight evolution :No help for europe Customers !! we need german , french , spanish , italian speech !!!!

[@TwoBrosRC]

???

[@gabryrc9439]

That’s not how you should do 3D

[@TwoBrosRC]

OK, thanks for sharing your super insightful opinion.

[@gabryrc9439]

@@TwoBrosRC I am preparing an exam for engineering so I have not a lot of time to reply, my comment was not offensive, after the exam I will explain why I think that this is not the way of doing 3D

[@gabryrc9439]

@@TwoBrosRC sorry for my bad English btw

[@gabryrc9439]

@@TwoBrosRC ok I have 5 minutes of break: first of all when you do a snap roll you don’t have to hold up elevator but it’s just a tap and then only rudder and ailerons. Another important thing is to avoid changing rates and expo mid-flight. To master the 3D flight you have to build sensibilities around rates that you use during your entire 3D flight. The harrier should be done without using mix with ailerons but you have to achieve it only by using throttle and elevator. Another important suggestion is to start learning knife edge while speeding ‘cause in this manner you have to input a lot less rudder and you avoid correcting too much on planes non that balanced Btw that’s my point of view, I am open to any replies!

[@MoralConflict]

No elevator in your knife edge spin?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Look closer.

[@loganclark2887]

I did this with my jet, I just had to spend a lot of time coding a gyro to help, still super hard Basically I used code to make my jet do this kzbin.infotYl6RNlZg74?feature=shared but stabilize its self with me inputting throttle and rotation, took months to make work good

[@HabaianmaLaoan]

Thanks again Jon.

[@PeterKelly-w3j]

I feel ya Jon on the CV19! It put me a day away from being in death's coffin.

[@TwoBrosRC]

CV19?

[@Swaziman919]

What motor and blade pitch are you using?

[@TwoBrosRC]

Stock motor, 13x6.5

[@Swaziman919]

@@TwoBrosRC alright thanks im looking for a setup with low speed flying but with a prop pitch that can easily get me out of trouble any suggested setup?

[@TwoBrosRC]

The best place to ask is Discord via discord.gg/twobrosrc

[@Swaziman919]

@@TwoBrosRC thanks