Are Actors "Leaving" BL Problematic?

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[@killeven8553]

hmm bl can be promatic coz some fan cant distinguish real life and just acting

[@lizzyjohn5342]

Kelli Steven A. Ocampos exactly, and that’s the problem, they might like them acting in bl but is it the same story when reality strikes? To be honest, some people tend to like them on the screen but are actually against lgbt 🏳️‍🌈 in real life! I support their decision, they shouldn’t even make it a big deal, they are free to do whatever that makes them happy, real fans will still love them for who they are!

[@TheBroken5Love]

@@lizzyjohn5342 well said "real fans will still love them for who they are" 👏👏😍 Respect to that

[@lizzyjohn5342]

LoveFailed ikr! thanks 🙏

[@lizzyjohn5342]

Butterfly Power wishing the same too!

[@lavoshakern]

That's not just a bl thing though. Anytime two actors work in a popular drama together, fans are gonna ship. Whether it's bl or not. Look at Crash Landing on You, The Descendants, and all that...

[@pervailable]

This is why BL fans need to start supporting OPENLY GAY actors like Fluke and Earth

[@jsworld237]

Wait they are and which earth are you talking about because ik two of them

[@aisyahsiti3732]

@@jsworld237 intouch in drama UWMA

[@saturvixx]

@@jsworld237 2 earths meaning like earth from uwma and earth from 2moons2 ? She's talking about earth from uwma

[@viewmyexistence]

aww i didn’t know fluke was actually apart of the community!! that makes me so happy for him !!

[@pramiladas7541]

I really appreciate that thing🤔🤔

[@kelly_ypoc1239]

That is why i appreciate Dark Blue Kiss, it has more depth and deal issues like coming out in the closet, discussing gay marriage, etc

[@rafaeljohnrobosa6327]

Yep. People kept talking about the recent "new dramas". I know they're cute and all but I think DBK is still the best for me. Especially TayNew ship

[@allandelapieza706]

kelly_ypoc is it true that there's really something going on between tay and new?

[@rafaeljohnrobosa6327]

@@allandelapieza706 We dont really know about it. Cuz, from what I heard they have a spa business. Although friends could have a business together. TayNew Stan think its different xD

[@vaishnavirao5413]

@@allandelapieza706 I heard that New was dating someone

[@jeannicemeko7797]

@@vaishnavirao5413 Who ?

[@Brit15102]

I wish fan service would stop. Yes they want more viewership but it makes me cringe so much and you know it’s probably awkward for them also

[@ThisIsNuckingFuts]

OMG SAME. I feel the same way about K-POP groups. Like yeah it can seem fun/funny but sometimes it’s just tooooo much you can tell the people don’t like doing it. It feels scary and hollow. Like they are puppets :(

[@chihiro9522]

OMG YESSS!! You can actually see some of them look uncomfortable bc of too much skinships. I mean if the acting is good and the story is good I think thats enough, no need to make them act like couples that are so touchy with each other damn.

[@maddie1097]

K W like obviously kpop idols sometimes just naturally act gay with eachother but like doing it for fan service is just cringy.. ya know💅

[@ErwinP6]

Yeah yeah hhaha

[@trulyhu5710]

But a lot of fans love it. Surely fan service is lucrative. It becomes so trendy these days and it will continue since the money will keep flowing in...

[@real_lampcap]

Mean said the same thing as Krist. Krist said he would only do BL roles with Singto. So Mean saying it for MeanPlan is the same thing.

[@evviolet8370]

i do think Krist got some other bl role offers but he declined it thats why he had to say stuff like this, and plus one ship is actually already tiring enough, not bcos of the acting role but the fanmeeting, fanservices etc, i can understand him why he just want to be 'shipped' with Singto lol, the more 'ships' u have the more drama will be, its fine if they just acting but thats not the case with bl series

[@awh1810]

@@evviolet8370 no honey mean didn't say the same thing He added that he might do bl we he get old and inneed for money

[@GreenyGeneration]

@@awh1810 What Mean said was a joke that is used in the industry, because in the entertainment industry it is said that the actors only get into the BL when they have no money to earn it easy and become popular. Thai fans explained it. Mean said he would only do BL again if it is with Plan, but that was not put in that interview, and Mean's manager then explained it. But keep throwing him hate without having a clue.

[@awh1810]

@@GreenyGeneration I saw the interview myself , hun So I can tell was it a joke or nah . You can deludu others ppl who didn't see it .

[@GreenyGeneration]

@@awh1810 you know more than thai fandom and people and their expressions and jokes? Congrats 🙃

[@viewer325]

I think delulu shippers are the most problematics in the bl series community. They try to ruin the experience of shipping the bl drama's characters ships.

[@anthonybillfrancis.1594]

Delulu shippers mean ?? Who are they ??

[@n.l.g9155]

@@anthonybillfrancis.1594 "delulu" as in delusional. The shippers who are convinced the actors are or must be in love in real life and get upset when they work with other actors. Like some shippers of PerthSaint were pissed and making hateful comments about Saint working with Zee on why r u.

[@anthonybillfrancis.1594]

@@n.l.g9155 😲😲

[@billspooks]

@@n.l.g9155 Do you know if Plan Rathavit has someone special in his life? I hope he does, no matter whom it may be. I just do not wish for him to be alone or lonely.

[@REAL-md2oi]

@@n.l.g9155 cos they are shitty cant even accept that those actors have their own decisions to make. This delu fans are creepy as hell

[@jbaby283]

So here are some unspoken rules for all new BL shippers out there so our fandom won't be toxic: - Only ship the charaters, do not ship the actors (especially if they've already had a real-life partner). - Do not get mad because you bias is closer to someone else other than his ship. Most of the time your otp are just colleagues and good friends. - Do not ask too much about their personal love life. This one is actually for Thai reporters. Idk if it's a culture thing but to me it's just pure rude and unnecessary. That's that. In short, just enjoy the show and do not read too much into it.

[@rixtiktubechannel6594]

I agree

[@chewinggum3280]

I agree and that's also applicable on KPop

[@shydoll3995]

SO TRUE, YES WITH KPOP AS WELL!!!

[@ichiroufuyu101]

YESSS

[@anthonyverlac2512]

asking about love life is a culture thing. I just found out about this.

[@overgiggle]

"We have to acknowledge that BL being its own genre in the first place is quite strange and can be viewed as fetishization" THANK YOUUUUUU!!!! You are SO right and you should say it!

[@emmanuelaadebisi5743]

overgiggle Agreed. BL is just romance and should be considered as such.

[@ReijiAoeGirl666]

Yes, exactly! The same goes for BL manga. I once bought a manga, and was very confused as to why it was labelled as BL only because one of the main characters was gay. It wasn't even important for the plot. BL- to me- is not a manga or show with gay characters in them, it is all the clichees and tropes that turn them into that specific genre. And most of those are guilty pleasure tropes at best. EDIT: I actually bought it because the story sounded interesting, and it was really good. And then I found out it was labelled as BL, and thought: why?

[@girlgroupstheworld2041]

right?? it seems like fetishization to me?? even girls love genre doesn't exist???

[@almostidioticgirl]

@@girlgroupstheworld2041 girls love (GL) genre does exist although not as widespread as BL. In Japan, if BL is called yaoi, then GL is called yuri.

[@meehailamgmail]

totally agree. love is love, why BL is treated like another branch? a genre on it's own? gay/lesbian love should be featured as love between two persons in a story, be it romance, comedy, sci-fi, thriller, mystery, etc. better is that gay/lesbian love can be featured in main stream movies and dramas.

[@kimmiefonze7700]

They should have just accept hetero roles and not announce anything.

[@axelcarlisle]

kimmie fonze yes. That’s the best approach.

[@gorretgorret2711]

Right , they should also remember that in the bl industry they had fun

[@axelcarlisle]

A lot of actors switch between gay and straight roles in the Thai scene without the need for dramatic announcements. Pluem Purim, Chimon Wachirawit, Tay Tawan, Ohm Pawat, Max Nattapol, Tul Pakorn are just some examples. By having to announce it, Perth and Mean just seem to be seeking attention, and it’s not a good look. Krist did the same before, but neither Perth nor Mean are probably at Krist’s level of popularity yet, and even Krist - we have to admit all his straight series have not been as well-received as SOTUS, and a lot of his most marketable work are still fanmeets and events with Singto. These actors do deserve to explore their craft and do a lot of different roles; they shouldn’t be boxed in because if they don’t diversify in their roles and polish their craft, when they get older and are no longer viable for mainstream BL, they need to show they are versatile enough to do other roles. But they can do this without having to make these dramatic announcements. Just accept other roles and let the fans decide what they will and will not watch, regardless of the character being played.

[@miguelmacatagal3465]

Singto has been doing both for a LONG TIME!

[@axelcarlisle]

fantastray correct. And with no need for dramatic announcements.

[@dawn5662]

Until We Meet Again was such a refreshing story. And full of ugly crying.

[@soostark3719]

Ah yes totally agreed ! Such a great storyline . And every episode made me cry , with sadness and happiness

[@marintenso1540]

Yes, UWMA it's AMAZING. The crying part thpugh

[@rahel1811]

cried every episode

[@SunFlower-no2nl]

For me " i told sunset about you " the best thai BL in 2020

[@hancock1082]

I loved that drama. I cried so much 😭 it was so good

[@carl056]

Okay, whatever them talking about "leaving" literally turned this into something. I don't know why they don't see it as just acting. Once a project finishes you do another one. Robert Downy Jr. did not make a statement about "Leaving" the super hero genre. He just started taking other roles. As an actor you should be able to do many different roles. If you like a role take it. If you don't then don't take it. It's just like people that spend their careers doing comedy and try to act in serious roles. They didn't make a statement about "Leaving" comedy. Because that sounds like whatever you were doing before is less than.

[@adelalazur3341]

I don't know in reality (because I don't follow gossip enough) but it is a common trope in movies about actors. Like actor complying in an interview that he/she don't like roles that he is getting, he/she want something new. This is a similar issue I guess.

[@loveonly1061]

@@adelalazur3341 they were asked this question , they didnot deliberately announced it, for mean I knew this time would come because from long time he kept saying he will only play with plan no one else .. and for Perth who is being asked by fans for long time now when or will he take new couple work again this time when question was asked by media he told honestly instead of avoiding or keep his fans hanging who are expecting him to do bl soon..

[@VenusAD]

Because they're Thai. And this is how it's done there. BL is a different role entirely. It's barely ever featured in actual mainstream lakorns and movies, which is what these actors are aiming for. They also make these announcements to be open and honest with their fans, so they understand their intentions. It's pretty standard. One of the most famous koojins (ships), Yaya and Nadech, had to also address their intentions to take more roles outside of their pairing. It's a whole thing over there.

[@Hale-pq8yd]

Yeah I totally agree with what everyone is saying about how it shouldn't matter and that it shouldn't be labeled as a genre, it's just acting and different roles. But at the same time, I agree that it is a different country and maybe things are done different there. Most Asian countries don't feature LGBT couples/storylines on TV. Mainly just internet series.

[@movieloverfan6749]

Exactly I don't like how these people are twisting there words. Go check their interview properly and then talk... It's crime to even answer honestly@@loveonly1061

[@koi2017]

They aren't playing gay roles it's just that the characters they are playing just happens to be gay. They treating like bl genre is inferior and it just makes me mad.

[@neveronasunday533]

I think that it is fair to say that BL dramas seem like they have less money for actors, sets, production, post-production, etc. In this regard, the "inferior" is accurate.

[@elivile.]

I've heard that being in a gay role in Thai dramas is the bottom of the barrel before from someone. Which makes me extremely mad with how gay people are perceived as a whole in Thailand.

[@blingbling4109]

That's where the problem exactly lies. Thai bl industry is more into fan service than the actual production of the drama and the delelu fans are fanatic about the ships so much so that they cannot even separate the actors private and working life. That's why more of the actors are facing problem these days. But that does not mean they are saying Bl industry is inferior.

[@saharasawada3696]

Yes i agree with u klown... And i like bl genre more than other genre.. its unique and sweet like sotus, make it right, love sick, together with me, tharn type, dark blue kiss etc and actually i watch kiss me again just for pete and kao.. another ship i dont care just skip their performance...

[@koi2017]

@@saharasawada3696 me too❤ bl>>>>everything

[@enaramist]

I dont like fan service... most of the time is so embarrasing you can see them uncorfortable :( hope they stop that!

[@emmanuelaadebisi5743]

Tiramisu Cram agreeeeed

[@episodestories6051]

Herman Kamsani yeah they need to

[@saturvixx]

@@emailmanz and earth

[@zakialis8576]

Tiramisu Cram :ur alright and fans ask stupid questions WIC makes me mad 4sure

[@YvesGeorgeSanchez]

To be honest, I'm only after the stories rather than the actors. They can leave if they want to as long as I have BL shows to look forward to in the future. I don't really care much about the actors.

[@charlottesmom]

Yves George Sanchez , Same here, I care more about the stories/characters than the actors, but then I'm a writer so stories and character development are my life. If it's a crappy story no actor regardless of his/her acting chops could save it (most of the time). If the actors want to act in strait dramas fine by me, no press conference necessary. 😉

[@kitsing5824]

i thought , i am the only one that have that idea.

[@paulineroseesteban7026]

I care about the actor sometime especially if they are delivering and acting well but the ship hmm I guess not too much but yeah the storyline is the most important thing

[@aratrikapal4928]

@@paulineroseesteban7026 same here

[@liodigap4104]

Sameeeeee but sometimes can't help maselffff

[@Celinelun4]

To me, I love BL drama.. But thats just acting.. Its not real life of them... And i keep in my mind. I just love their acting no matter what.. In Bl or straight film/drama

[@imgonewiththewindfab]

BL dramas needs to evolve having deeper storyline like action, revenge, serial killings, horror and thrillers .

[@yong2peaceful]

Agree with this.

[@jesslosaria9322]

Aren't they doing that murder mystery series? Seems right up my alley although I enjoy self contained episodes more like ms fisher and poirot

[@kkukungmers3456]

Like UWMA hehe

[@jlprizm]

This is why I loved Trapped. There was so much more going on apart from Tang Yi and Shao Fei’s romance. It had the action, suspense and comedy all in one and imo the acting was on point. I wish more dramas like it get made.

[@cairen643]

PH BL's is waving at you ♥

[@miss_mollie_jane]

*Friendly reminder:* Perth said he wants to leave BL, not stop accepting LGBT roles He played a gay character in the Stranded, and that is not a BL.

[@fanwithbrain]

Exactly he said he doesnt want to play in BL SERIES as couple like ae Pete Main couple . Different roles he want to try .. STRANDED is not even BL SERIES it's thriller and survival series .. many ppl accusing him of it. If he was so opposed with gay roles or taking advantage he would have not even accepted that role.. every single role even small role he had done till now are different from before .. people just keep twisting his words

[@floofrules]

@@ivanj.conway9919 we don't know that, but you don't have to be gay to play a gay character.

[@girlgroupstheworld2041]

@@floofrules but wouldnt it be better if gay characters or any other lgbtq+ characters are played by actors who are really part of the community???? it's like you're saying for example non-asian can play asian characters

[@girlgroupstheworld2041]

@@ivanj.conway9919 i agree with you! we need actors who are really mlm in bl industry

[@t.7952]

@@ivanj.conway9919 He isn't, I don't think. Sorry.

[@RubySingh-xl3wx]

I don't understand I saw many bl actors do both series bl and straight no one force you to do bl if you want to do it do it if you have problem with the label that People only offer you bl then do what is right for you you really don't have to be make any statement. That I think

[@v512]

i agree with you friend

[@LOEY_1485_]

Ikr

[@drkmin8433]

Yup .... Totally agree....Many actors are doing straight and complex roles in multiple dramas ......You don't need to label it whether you're gonna do bl or not....

[@priyabiswas8373]

My point is also that. After watching this video, the same thing came in my mind & then I saw u commented it.

[@ninnin7045]

Example of that is currently krist & singto, and off & gun they goes back in fort between bl and non bl genre I think it really depends on both the agency (who chose their roles/genre of the drama and the actors (who decides if he will take that role). Thats one of the reason why I love gmmtv bcoz they goes back and forth without pressuring their actors (they just respect their actors decision where they should or what genre they should act) and we as fans also crave and wish that they will pair our cp again in another drama hahahahaha 😈😈😈 but well as a fans we should support our actors whatever genre they want as long as we can still see them on TV basically 😂

[@bloons719]

Things that the BL industry needs to do in order to improve (PLEASE READ ALL): 1. Directors and writers need to experiment with different storylines to achieve greater depth in terms of the plot of BL. A good example is P'New's Until We Meet Again (adapted from the novel Red Thread) in which reincarnation is a relatively fresh and new concept in the BL universe. Until We Meet Again jumped to number 1 on my list of favorite BLs because of this (and because of the godlike cast and acting). Having different storylines would also improve the actors themselves because they can feel that they are being challenged more. Possible suggestions for a unique plot are those that branch out from a school setting and a promising upcoming BL with a unique plot is Tale of A Thousand Stars. 2. In order for issues like this to lessen in the future, I think that there should be an increased representation of actors who are actually apart of the LGBTQ+ community in BL series. This would make sense because if the characters are gay in the first place, then the actors themselves should preferably have the same gender as the character they are acting as. It is kind of an insult to the LGBTQ+ community to have only a handful of actors who are actually apart of the community to act in series which are meant to represent the LGBTQ+ community (although those who are actually apart of the community are GENUINELY AMAZING ACTORS like Fluke and Cooheart) 3. FANS LITERALLY SHOULD CALM DOWN. We should all know that they are just acting and pushing them to do stuff that they feel uncomfortable of doing is just wrong. Although I admit I ship several BL couples and wish they would be together in real life but that's just in MY OWN IMAGINATION. Respect the actors and just appreciate their actual acting. They're here to do their jobs and we should not force them to do anything they don't want to do.

[@dhsf5937]

It's discrimination say that a straight dude can't play a gay role,the best actor stay with the role,easy to understand,not all actors are gay,so is impossible to have all BL shows where most cast is gay,you shouldn't be choosed only because you are gay,but because you have talent.

[@fujoshirants9609]

@@dhsf5937 actually BL is not even LGBT. It is an artform started by straight women and most of the fans are straight women called fujoshi. The LGBT need an education. The companies know this which is why they won't make the entire cast gay. If they keep doing that, the fujoshis will get put off an turn away.

[@dhsf5937]

@@fujoshirants9609 Even if the actors are not gay,BL series belong to the gay culture and counts as gay representation,it's Impossible to make tv shows where all actors are gay,of course that is important to have gay actors,but at the end of the day is a job and is part of the job be something that you are not,I don't see the problem with have straight actors playing gay roles. I think that non gay people need more education than the LGBT community. I don't understand what the thing about LGBT community needs education has something to do with the fact that all cast is not gay.

[@Charbond]

I think a huge problem with these roles comes after the show is finished. For months/years these men have to hide their private lives and create this "ship" because that draws in fans, and fans=money. But then the ship becomes so strong that roles with other actors have to be dismissed. And behind the scenes these men are mostly in their early 20s, mostly straight and some are still in uni. It is a huge amount of pressure to put on a person and honestly the culture needs to change.

[@eileencritchley4630]

Bravo well said.

[@sugajinmababies5015]

What Mean said on his statement is basically the same thing what Krist Perawat said, he mentioned before that SOTUS will be his only BL dramas and he will only accept BL roles if his partner is with Singto. They are actors, that do their jobs so damn good that we as fans naturally fell in love with their dramas. But, again they are actors so we as fans must know how to differentiate reality and fiction. That’s the problem for most BL fans that create the toxic atmosphere, pushing their delusions on the actors that makes them burdened. All I can say is as actors they have the right to spread their wings, as most BL novels are predictable and by means have limited chances for improvement. Just my opinion

[@celestialsilver2065]

Idk how Perth’s statement was problematic at all? He just said that he wanted to branch out from just BL, which is the only thing he was doing. Mean’s wasn’t really even problematic either but I get how he could have been rubbed the wrong way. And I definitely agree that BL plots and storylines were more shallow and quick than straight dramas, therefore leaving them to not show their full acting abilities. I don’t think I’ve seen any other BL that has such a complicated and deep and emotional storyline as Until We Meet Again. As well as an inclusive drama because there are straight relationships and there are female roles that aren’t just side roles. I feel like they were kinda in the right for wanting to leave to show their true acting talents because a lot of BL storylines are shallow and I hate it. Not to mention there are barely ANY GLs in any Asian forum and that makes me, as a Pansexual female who does lean more towards girls, very sad.

[@naofg]

About GL, I second that!!!

[@movieloverfan6749]

True I am so over Thai bl.. tired seeing University plot , same hate to love story

[@jayalea8205]

If permitted,I wanna know the reaction of Mew amd Gulf about this issue considering that tharntype the series is one of the successful bl series as of this moment to ever launch.

[@matthewmu8355]

I am gay man, and watch BLs because I want to watch romantic series but cannot relate to hetero romance shows. I dont interact with the BL community because of fetishizers (even when they dont realize it) and a lot of other BL fans act completely immature about stuff (like shipping real people, rather than characters) Mean and Perth are actors so should be able to act in any role they are given. They arent and shouldnt be confined to BL just because that's what made them popular or whatever peoples argument is. Their true fans will support them no matter their projects.

[@hautothautot6359]

mean is nothing like a guy who likes men if he did it it's for money money like the others because mean we see he's a ladies' man too bad the nice plan rathavit was his partner because he naturally does not criticize people gays and a person who respects his friends but I admit that I like the couple tin and can I love their series but we know that they are straight whatever I will dream of seeing plan rathavit again in another series bl with another partner he is to chew

[@vittorianasc]

Edit: there was a wrong translation about Mean's comment and I apologize for talking about it before seeing the accurate one, and even though I don't think they need to announce about leaving and that they could keep acting in both straight and bl dramas (like Saint for example) I understand their reasons for leaving... And about different and diverse plots, have you seen Taiwan BLs? If you haven't I recommend you watch Dark Blue and Moonlight and HIStory series (which has really great acting and gets better plots in each season (plus most of the actors are clearly allies, I have a feeling you're specially gonna like the Right or Wrong and Trapped stories)... I think where Thailand goes for quantity (which is why a lot of BLs can get repetitive), Taiwan usually goes for quality. P.S.: A video talking about Thai and Taiwanese BLs would also be interesting btw

[@crispaolojubilado1195]

Vittoria Nascimento Ooh, I love the Trapped series! I agree that it has complex characters, arguably more complex than what I have seen so far in Thai BLs. Though, I held back from watching Dark Blue and Moonlight. Is it good compared to the Trapped series? (1)

[@crispaolojubilado1195]

Vittoria Nascimento Also, so far, the best acting I’ve seen is in Guardian starred by Bai Yu and Zhu Yi Long. Though an article said that it was a “watered down” BL, the lead actors looked so natural on screen. In Thai BL series, I’ve only seen where Singto and Krist, Tay and New, and Off and Gun, and Mew and Gulf starred. Based on story, they’re all good despite the cliches, and I think Sotus S and DBK have characters who grew mentally and emotionally. Based on acting, I’m partial to Krist, Gun, and Gulf. Based on screen chemistry, either Krist and Singto or Tay and New.

[@sujashankar1278]

What??? Did Mean really say that he'll maybe come back to doing BL series only if he's in need of money??? Did he say that or is he getting misquoted??? 😰😰😰

[@severuslovegood556]

@@sujashankar1278 both actually..he kind of is getting misquoted..he said that he'll come back to BL if the role is very challenging and is something that has never been done before..but harder roles mean more money basically so...(but still I'm kind of sure that it's not because of money, but some people do have different opinions about this)

[@tenribuanah9984]

I agree with you...and the chemistry between the actors make us believe that they're really comfortable around each other even the fact they just know in the project... Sorry my english is terrible

[@analemos2327]

I don't watch hetero Thai stuff, so I don't know how fans treat the other actors to be able to draw a fair comparison. But from my limited point of view, I do think the fan service expected from BL actors is absurd and makes me extremely uncomfortable whenever I come across it. Shipping characters is one thing, but having them act in public like they're close / lovers / whatever in real life is repulsive. I can't blame these actors for not wanting to have multiple ships. Just imagine what it must be like having to fake intimacy with your coworkers 24h/day just to make a few extra bucks! I don't blame these guys leaving the genre, I'm just sorry that the crazy fanbase and the whole industry is set up in a way that takes away their dignity and self respect as actors. So many fans claim to love these actors and yet treat them as trained pets that have to smile and kiss on demand, just for entertainment value.

[@eileencritchley4630]

Bravo well said.

[@VixenByNight72]

Bravo to your comment @AnaLemos, especially the last sentence about how certain "fans" love these actors, but only when they behave like a pet, in order to please them. The "fan service" thing has been something that is an issue for me. I don't follow musical pop artists/groups from Korea or Japan, but I have read that those performers are also required to do "fan service". If you like the talent of these performers, then why is the "fan service" a necessity for them to be obligated to perform?! Isn't what they do onscreen in their music videos, series, films, and/or concerts enough? These questions and view point, is coming from a recent viewer of BLs, who resides in the US and frankly hasn't seen any of the "required fan-servicing" being placed on performers (actors, actresses, singers, dancers, etc.) in our country, compared to what's being asked of these performers in other countries. Even when actors/actresses are in the midst of doing promotion for their tv series, films, they're not asked to kiss, fondle, sing to, or mimic that they as the performer is in some "real-life" romance with their on-screen partner, in order to promote their work.

[@Khandiee]

I 100% agree 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@messilalol]

Their opinions are both valid but I feel like making a statement was unnecessary if they want to experiment and try different roles the door is wide open for them why not be able to be versatile and act multiple roles like many other Thai and American actors are able to do for example Singto and Krist both act in bl and straight dramas I feel like they use bl as a stepping stone in order to get enough status and fans they need,and then abounded the role.Actors in movies like "call me by your name" and the Chinese series history 1,2 and 3 most aren't actually gay in real life but are still to perform their roles. The main actor in the. Movie " call me by your name" is married and has kids but was still able to perform for, his role in a lgbtq movie that was extremely popular I think that their afraid of being affiliated with a gay stigma in their careers and want to break free it ,but in the end it's only acting not real life and it's their decision to do as they please with their career.

[@mellianhabibah9040]

I agree with you my dear , they should also try that.

[@eiryishere1417]

I am agree too

[@ghrasta.]

i completely agree. I'm pretty sure that's what the majority of complaints about their statements were

[@loveonly1061]

You think they announced it I saw they honestly answered interview question .. because their fans are expecting them to take new bl series and they honestly said there plans .. mean always said for him plan will only be one he does bl with, for perth he doesn't want to do couple work again.. I honestly felt lot better that they spoke it out instead of hanging fans with out telling truth

[@Hale-pq8yd]

I absolutely agree, there are many actors who feature in LGBT movies and shows that are straight. It's kind of hard to picture now, but most of those Thai bl actors are probably straight or bi. In the movie "rocketman" both of those actors were straight and did very well in that roll. Also Jared Leto played a trans woman in the movie "dallas buyers club" while not being trans either. I think they could do very well in other genres, it would probably just be weird at first not seeing them with a male but they are amazing actors.

[@jasonlovesangelahill]

I personally didn’t see the need for either of them to make a statement at all. There are other BL actors that do projects other than BL. Just do you and take each job as they come. Why stir up confusion and speculation that could cause more harm than be helpful. Just my thoughts.

[@Katrinawho]

jasonlovesangelahill you said everything i was trying to in a more concise way 👏🏾👏🏾 lol. Agreed.

[@aryosetiawan3508]

First of all, being BL actors really hard decision. After you did a great job, you'll have a lot of contract to continue your work with this kind of thing, such as fan services, CF, variety show, etc. Fans always keep watching their relationship on cam or off cam. They're feel like haunted and tired being "gay". Some people maybe can accept this as professionalism. But, being "gay" for entire life just for makes fullfil what's fans want sometimes makes them feel tired. They have real life tho. Want to have a girlfriend etc. So, we have to understand them

[@jeshuarestituyo284]

Or some might be actually gay but cannot get a boyfriend cuz fans want them to be with a certain someone

[@anthonyverlac2512]

Unless some of these BL actors are actually gay or bi in real life (there are if you search online) but cannot come out due to contract restrictions and the fear of losing their fan base. (Yes just because its the BL industry does not mean that they'll be spared from losing fans when they actually come out of the closet).

[@girlgroupstheworld2041]

then if you're not the slightest gay why would u agreed on playing gay roles if you don't want to be viewed as gay? gay for pay? that's problematic and harming the gay community! I hope in the future lgbtq+ characters can be played by actors who are really part of lgbtq+

[@priyanka5060]

@@girlgroupstheworld2041 i think so too, after watching first BL series i went on to see and realized that the actor playing were not Gay, but then also came to know that almost 95% of these actors are not gay. I think it's problematic as they can actually can support Gay people and also can enlighten community. Also, people who are Gay would be more natural on camera and would know experience on coming out and facing difficulties and would be able to to give depth and more character to this roles.

[@zakialis8576]

world : they need money remember that that's y they act like that 🤔🤔🤔

[@madalyn7360]

I watched Perth act in "The Stranded" and was blown away by his acting. He does play a gay role in the show, but the show mainly revolves around the straight characters as well as the mystery of the island. His acting was so good and breathtaking that it makes me understand why he wants to explore roles outside of bl. The genre isn't known for the best screenwriting or plot most the time. I'm sad I wont get to see him in bl's, but happy he's doing something for him. It's his life after all! I just wont see much of him as a LGBT person who doesn't consume much straight media tbh.

[@frankiebrysonious9446]

It’s the same as an actor leaving any genre in my opinion, and you’re right. I think UWMA is the only show I’ve seen that can be considered a television masterpiece as a show in general and not just as a bl. So it is getting better I think. But yeah I understand their reasons

[@AbbyPlaysMspx]

they shouldnt have to leave in the first place. they're actors. their job is to act and try different roles and not be confined to one specific role. but im assuming they feel obligated to "leave" because of the sort of culture they're in. bl actors are forced to do fanservice OFF screen just to satisfy the minds of fans. fan service isnt always necessarily bad.. i guess it helps bring attention to the show, but when it gets to the point where the actual actors possibly start to feel discomfort with one another and potentially ruining their friendship, then thats just too far. ive noticed many bl "fans" fetishise gay relationships. and it doesnt help when they put scenes in bl series where they just have 2 random girls obsessing over the relationships of gay couples - making fan pages for them, taking pictures and posting them onto these pages. its really weird to see such behaviour kind of be.. normalised? within these shows? idk.

[@madgurl5951]

BL actors should avoid fan service that feed fans fantasy and know the limit. Then fans should learn it's just a drama and not everyone who acting as gay is actual gay. If the actor choose not to act in BL anymore just respect their decision and support them if you're a true fans. No need to hate or bash them.

[@floofrules]

they can't really avoid doing fan service, it's part of their contract.

[@jikookreal50]

is it a dream? dude, they may be actors, but most of the cast in bl are gay actors. hetero is very rare because it is difficult for straight people to act like that. Of course, there are fan serfs, but they do not create such fiction for their fans, because there are real couples in life.

[@riya_nanda9214]

@@jikookreal50 Wake up from you dream, the criteria to act in bl series is handsome straight man, they are not many open gay in this industry, bl means a story written by straight women for to gain attention from straight girls. Just your account name says how you don't want to hear truth. Shipping real people to the point they want to leave there job is disgusting.

[@kthekith1889]

there are 2 types of shippers, the delusional people and the real fans. i think its important for them to make a statement like that cause from what i can see, bl actors dont get much supports when they play straight roles (um krist and newwi for example) the delusional shippers even go crazy if they have girlfriends in real life. delusional shippers are scary, i dont wanna generalize but the delusional shippers are alwayd the loud ones they attack the love of their life and act superior. basically, making a statement makes the delusional shippers lose interest, however, the real ones will stay. its better for them to lose delusional shippers than trying to act like their bl partners are their real lovers. i pity them when they have to put an act even when they are outside of shooting, the need to put on fan services and when their actions get misunderstood.

[@charlottesmom]

Ell Hansel , Everything you just said can also be said for K Pop singers...I personally think both actors and singers need to stop the fan service, it feeds the wack jobs. These boys will never be able to have girlfriends (or boyfriends) out in public due to the hate that will be thrown at them. The delulus ruin things for everyone, the actors, singers and anyone in their private life, they should be allowed to live their lives free of hate.

[@rahsiaalam818]

Reading the statement in the video, I can see why they want to leave BL though. Most BL fans cannot distinguish between reality vs fantasy. I always wonder why these actors need to do CP skinship outside the series for like very long long period. Apparently this is fanservice. And this is how they will get popular. But by doing this they will create fanatic fans who can't accept their ship being separated and acted with another people. I have seen this happened a lot of times on Twitter and Instagram. And this will create many problems. 1 - Once the ship is sail, it will hard for the actors to act in another BL series where they need to partner up with different people. Since fans are obsessing with the ship too much, it will create a lot of fear. There will be a fear of fan not able to accept their new partner (like how Mean only want to accept project if his partner is Plan). There is a fear their series will bomb because of that. Also it is not necessary BL, but acting as gay couple in normal drama will be also hard for them. When Singto acted in Friendzone, his partner "Nat" got a lot of hate comments on social media because of his character. And those hate comments coming from Singto/Krist ship fans. This will definitely create a problem in the future because it literally means once you had been ship, you are done. That is your BL partner for the rest of you career. It create limitation to the actor. 2. BL series in my opinion let be honest are mostly not that versatile in term of plot. So if they keep acting in BL, there is a fear that they will be typecast as certain type of actor. I know BL industry is now booming in Thailand, but do people really want to see same people acting as same partner every year? I think even the producer will get tired of them. From what I can see, GMMTV actors are not just typically cast as BL actors. They will act in different genre also. Also for BL, they are usually partnered up with different cast for different drama (except off/gun). So that is why i think we don't really see them making these kind of statements (except Krist who don't want to act in BL anymore).

[@AloutkaKazawa]

Off/gun pair seems to be an exemple how fantasy can cripple people. I dont know which one is which, but the smaller one is clingy like a baby possum. Well, no wonder, facing rabid crowd of women must feel terrifying....

[@konni2354]

@@AloutkaKazawa What??

[@LOEY_1485_]

@@AloutkaKazawa hey. What are you saying man. Gun isn't like that. Gun is really a sweet person. And he isn't clingy to his ship only. He's very close to every gmm actors, both male female actors. If you follow their ig then you'll know that everything likes him.

[@mamaness4705]

Like what happened with Ohm and Toey (FrameBook from Make it Right) Toey distanced himself from Ohm, avoiding him in person and unfriending him in socmed platforms. All because fans found out he is dating a girl while MIR2 is filming and they felt he betrayed Ohm (like WTF people?!)

[@MayMay93]

The business is like that, that's how they make a lot of money. They kind of follow Jpop, Kpop archetype with the fan service and fan meeting. They might even sell goodies.

[@guestsmith58]

With Perth I saw the range of his talent at 17 in LBC, and knew he could go far if given the chance. When I heard he was heading to The Stranded, I was beyond happy, Which had a lot of BL stars in it as well. I'm watching him pop up in many other places and loving every minute of it. This young man can do whatever he is tasked beautifully. To not be just a "typecasted" BL actor they announce to all directors to take them on. And I plead to all directors, take them on, fans will follow.

[@PV96]

Another point is how long can an actor be involved in “college age” BL series?? It becomes hard to visualize Perth at 40 playing an 18 year old college student. Of course the actors want to branch out an grow in their chosen profession! More power to them!!

[@Xaylocke]

You made some points and I have to agree that they shouldn’t be shamed for leaving. As a gay man, to me the bigger issue is the use of homosexuality to gain popularity and build your career and cishetero men filling all these rolls that could be given to actual gay men. Not saying anyone can’t play a ROLE, but my issue is how easy it is for these straight guys to detach themselves from it after they’ve built their entire careers up by pretending to be gay, selling homoeroticism but real gay men have to live with that truth daily. I guess it’s more bad on the casting ppl’s end and not so much the actors but still it’s crazy how once they reach a certain level of fame & success it’s so easy for them to just dip and want nothing to do with it, like they basically just used playing gay, fanservice, etc. to gain clout and leave. But also, I can see how BL drama’s can be and probably are for most ground-level stepping stools used to raise their repertoire, experience, & rap sheet. It’s an easy in to the industry for them so I can’t really blame them for going for it and taking the opportunities. I just wish better for actual LGBTQ+ talent. :(

[@mjg138]

Teaaa

[@bonecdowest.]

2023: PERTHCHIMON

[@TheAlizwa]

Honestly I think many of these actors use bls to quickly raise their popularity then stop doing them. I feel like it’s their plan, they never intend on staying in the genre. I have a huge issue with Thailand when it comes to the bl industry. First of all they focus more on quantity rather than quality. They dont bother focusing on good scripts , good stories, just because something focuses of gay relationships doesn’t mean they can’t write good stories, look at Taiwan, they come up with good bl stories. Secondly, I have a huge problem with the fan service thing, why is that even needed though? Honestly I can understand why an actor wouldn’t want to go through all that everytime they are in a bl. Thirdly I feel like them making it a big deal like this makes it seem like they just used this genre and it’s fans to become famous, why does it have to be one or the other? Look at Singto , he’s been in many bl dramas with good story lines and he’s also branching out into straight roles .Other actors can play gay men in one drama, play straight serial killers in another drama, play drag queens in another drama then star in a straight romcom etc, why can’t these Thai actors do that? Are y’all even real actors though? Or just pretty boys who want to look cool on camera? If any of these guys took acting seriously then the only thing that they would care about is how good the script is, not whether something is bl or not!

[@Shee.33]

Totally agree

[@georginahamilton4764]

what the Duck was plain Porn With Mew,.and Art.

[@yohasakura5903]

@@georginahamilton4764 tbh, I can't watch that together with Why R U...it's a 'plain' porn. LOL

[@Bucherviews]

I think it's a complicated issue. I think there are some genuinely really interesting characters in BLs, and I love when someone whose acting is good enough to bring them to life lends their talents to a series - god knows I've seen some series where I've been thoroughly uninspired by the acting! And I think the interesting thing about Thai BLs is that, out of all Thai media, it has the widest international reach and the biggest international fanbase. I think it's a great way to start your career, and actors like Singto show that you can have multiple roles in the genre and make a good long career out of it - there's a reason why he has such a huge fanbase! It's because so many people connect with it so much. Most BL fans that I've encountered are queer themselves. Like you, I love that there's this whole genre of queer media that (mostly!) is nice and romantic and has happy endings. So I'm someone who (although of course, it's their career and their choice) finds it a bit of a strange move for them to announce that they don't want to do BL any more. I wish that people like Perth (who is a phenomenal actor in my opinion) didn't sort of... look down on the significance of the genre? I think it's important work, and it kind of felt like they were implying that it was lesser somehow. Like they wanted 'real' roles. I think BL gets sterotyped as some kind of fanservice factory for straight girls (which, by the way, is also important in its own way - people exploring the topics of relationships and sex by fixating on people who are 'safe' to them is a pretty important role to play in someone's development, especially when that part of society can seem so threatening to young girls) when in reality, it's so important beyond that.

[@jarabaa]

Brilliant. You make some original and excellent points. These stories and roles have reached a diverse global audience - in a way that no other body of Thai material (drama, music, fiction, whatever) has. It's a unique phenomenon. Maybe these restless actors would do well to bear that in mind.

[@nctea5088]

Mean made his reason for not doing bl anymore very clear. And honestly, let them just be. If they don't want to continue doing bl anymore, let them not. We DO NOT need to make this a big deal. And so what if they act in straight series now? They have already played their part when acting in a bl. I guess it's good enough. Mean has done lbc 1 and now he's doing lbc 2. Perth has done lbc and the stranded. I guess they've done their job and I totally respect their decision. It's not like they are betraying anyone. So people just need to chill.

[@eileencritchley4630]

Amen

[@dayzedandconfuzed]

this video sums up my opinions completely. bl is such good representation, but shippers turn it into something toxic that traps actors in these shallow roles doing fan service for the rest of their careers. i WANT these actors to branch out because that might merge the gap between the two industries. he’s not a bl actor, he’s just an actor ya know.

[@samli3294]

At first i was sad when i heard mean n perth is going to move on from bl drama....but then..i think back...as their fans...we cant do anything right...it is their life ....as a fan, we should always support n love them whatever way they are n especially encourage them to do what they love n the best for their own life...because in the end...drama is still a drama right...it is their job as an actor to act but it is also their rights to what they need to improve their lives...so i really pray n hope that they will star in another drama n we still support them

[@aislingbane8800]

Thing is they aren’t even the first ones to say they don’t wanna do bl with others. Krist and Off both says they would only work with their current ship

[@MustardBot]

I understand that they are leaving and I actually support their decision, personally I'm a fan of their acting so if they star in any other shows that pick my interest, dude, I for sure will be watching it. I think that there are many Thai BL dramas with good plots, some can be something more like... "drama/comedy/Romantic novel" like "Until we meet again" and "Why RU?" and something more "Realistic situations" like Sotus S ( which felt very real to me in a way that me as a non heterosexual man could relate to) same to Dark Blue Kiss, 3 will be free and even Theory of Love (my personal fav) I think that there's good and challenging characters to portrait in BL and the example I can give is Pharm/In from Until we meet again, Third from Theory of Love and hell, even Longh from TharnType, but sadly there are not enough of them. I would love to keep watching more and more dramas with this quality of acting and diversity of situations. Yes, in the end all of them are about love but the ways that take the characters to it are different, sometimes it's a simpler love story and sometimes is very bumpy road. I think that sometimes the plot doesn't need to be that deep and abstract to have great characters and situations, sometimes the most difficult things to portrait are the simplest ones... Aaaaand I'm sorry for this long ass comment orz (And as I read down there, YES I AGREE, HIStory 3 is a HECKING MASTERPIECE, 10/10 I cried... I'M LOOKING AT YOU "Make out days count")

[@MustardBot]

@Y Bong-Chul I still feel personally victimized by the end of MODC

[@charlottesmom]

The ending of HIStory 3 MODC will forever be either loved (by very few) or despised (by 90% of viewers). I think it would have worked better if they had two or so more additional episodes to explore feelings and get to healing it was entirely too rushed IMO. (but then I'm a writer and was writing a longer ending in my head an hour after I watched episode 10). 😆

[@JosminJoseRavenclaw]

Your voice is so soothing and calm! I mean I couldn't even process what you were talking about because I almost got lulled to sleep...

[@jacquelineperry8749]

I had not heard the news, I'm happy that they are moving forward in their careers. Just as I watched and enjoyed their bl roles I'm sure I will enjoy watching their non bl roles. Everyone take jobs that will get them in the door, I can see both of them doing amazing things, I wish them well and people should support them, PERIOD.

[@Katrinawho]

I have a lot of the same sentiments. I was a bit taken aback when i first heard the news and ready to be in my feelings. In the end i think what more so put me off was the fact that they even felt the need to make statements, but i get it. There are countless actors (i mean seriously so many) who’ve been typecasted for their entire careers and can never breakout of a specific role. I get how that can be frustrating for someone who considers acting their craft and not just the next paycheck. A lot of dramas are super tropey not just BL, but i get the lack of depth of characters (do we reallllyyyy need another college drama). Also shipping culture isn’t just Asian or just BL (what most recently comes to mind is Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga), but it is incredibly pervasive in BL along with fan service and can understandably be incredibly uncomfortable for these mostly straight actors. I guess i say all that to say i want more for BL as a whole. These statements make BL seem like a genre you get stuck in (unwillingly). Anyway, I’m a Perth Stan b/c of LBC and I wish the best for Perth and Mean in their careers. As an aside i was happy for Singto to see him in a role outside of BL, although, again i don’t want it to seem like a genre that actors should feel stuck in.

[@samantharigby38]

I love bl dramas and they have changed alot in the 3 years I've been watching them and I love the actors in them. They are brave and I feel they should have more opportunities to act in bl and mainstream. It sad they feel like they have to make a statement about leaving bl x

[@DivanaAfrique]

Mean and Perth are the most humble actors out there just because they wanted to leave bl industry doesn’t mean they won’t act anymore like Perth acted in stranded and it was a lgbt 🏳️‍🌈 role I just think they just want to be decisive of what they want They can also take straight roles too from my point of view everyone has a right to decide what they want yow

[@hautothautot6359]

these actors only play for the money mean'n't nothing of an actor bl sorry

[@edytar1347]

I personally was really dissapointed in those actors "leaving" not bc I like them much but bc everytime I see such statements I feel like bl is for them only a stepping stone to their career. Why they must go and say "I won't star in any bl drama " instead of just taking different roles? Like I don't see fans forcing them to play in only bl. I don't need that statements bc as an bl series lover I think that yeah they profited from fan girls and all that stuff and now they are going to star in "real drama".

[@GhoulBunny]

It’s becUse of the Thai media I feel. It’s not just acting they even do off screen fan service and fans are just like kpop fans and they go insane when they see them act I. Other things

[@saucycreation]

This issue is not new for me because I am also a KPOP fan too and some of the fans are being possessive and obsessed to their idols, that made me found that it is unfair for the idols or actors because thet had their own life too. Come on people! we can't dectate them what to do and what should they feel. We are just fans and our purpose is to support and love them, not to control them.

[@llllll1897]

It is understandable though. No actor, let alone such young actors, would want to be limited to being able to act in one "genre". In fact, I would love to see Mean and Plan being able to fully explore their acting skills. I feel like its almost selfish for us, as the audience, to expect them to only work on BL projects for the rest of their lives.

[@hautothautot6359]

I would especially like to plan with another actor who is too cute

[@haru-zo7eh]

They can leave whenever they want to , its their choice , as a fan iam a little bit sad but i will support them no matter what bl or not . Bl dramas or movie might have lesser exposure or limited choice of roles but there are actual people/ fans who watches BLs regularly and are die hard fans , some people may go overboard with their obsession to BL ships but lets not only limit ourselves to the fact that it happens only in bl ships , v hv lots of crazy ass straight ships which are crazyly equal , and as for the fan services , ofcourse v love to c our fav ships together whether bl or not n to b honest its not our fault too v didnt not force them to do it , its their own will but ofcoourse there should b no pressure to do nything they dnt want to do , do fan service , great , dnt gv fanservice its also great

[@dreamworld9328]

I agree with you 👌👌

[@edaj1162]

Its sad, but its their life and their decision. Dont worry we still have many bl actor, mewgulf, saintzee, jimmytommy, brightwin, ohmfluke :)

[@youhavenowon]

I went to a GunOff fanmeeting once in S.Korea last summer... Honestly I think the problematic thing are the fans, honestly I really like Off as an actor and I wanted to see him the most (I like Gun too, just not as much). What shocked me was that, they gave them games to play and songs to sing, and I don't know why it didn't seem they were having THAT MUCH fun... honestly the funniest and most interesting parts were the interviews, otherwise fans were just like screaming everytime they touched or somehow got close... I was just so shocked, i was sitting here with my friend and we were just... just shocked... it was clearly toxic, even the relation between fans and actors, I mean, I get why they would want to leave this industry, it's very tiring, they have to act 24/7, they can NOT do something wrong, it kind of remind me of the kpop industry SOMEHOW (a little though, don't attack me ahah)... Anyway, just my point of view, I will still support both Mean and Perth ofc🥺😌

[@L5940]

I don't quite know what you expected at a BL fanmeet where they make the actors do those types of games. Try to visit fanmeets that don't do games like that since it's just fanservice.

[@riya.g1503]

It doesn't mean fans are toxic... It's just people love them to see together that's why they go to see them so of course they will scream me and my friends scream just watching them in screen seeing them in real is a dream come true..its just you don't understand the crazy bl lovers

[@jhontaztazmania4812]

If you are real actor you just have to be brave enough to accept challenging roles whether it is a bl role or not what is important you do your best in every role that is given to you. The question is how many non bl roles would they get or would they get one? I believe as an actor just be the best in every role. They have to be thankful that they were given suoerb acting talent. Anyway whatever their decision just let them be.

[@shanaynayokeil6553]

Exactly! Gulf said "good actors will get into any character they are given".

[@amenisabri4378]

I don't usually comment but here we are. i haven't always been a fan of bl, mostly because i am socially and culturally far away from lgbtq communities (doesn't mean i don't support them tho, i accept everyone for who they are straight or gay or bi or whatever as long as no one is invading anyone's freedom), but thanks to this quarantine, i had way too much time, one friend i know always talks about bl, so i checked it out and in the course of two weeks i watched soooo many bls (LBC, Tharn and type, theory of love,all of the HIStory series, UWMA, dark blue kiss... and a lot others) and yeah i liked them, but at the same time i am frustrated by them. i am a person who watches soooo many dramas and series, so to see almost the same patters in so mani BLs, college guys who hate each other then kiss each other and boom, in love, or two guys who see each other for a first time, and after 3 seconds they are madly in love?? or in some series a poor acting or poor directing or poor sound quality ?? what i think immediately is: is this what the lgbt community deserves ? series that seem like they were produced with a very low budget... now i know that most of these series are written by straight females who fantasize about gay couples, but to turn a book into a series, some changes could be done honestly, at least in respect of the lgbt community. now i read about these two actors 'leaving' the bl acting and then i watched this video and THANK you alot about it, because all i've seen was hate from people, when here, as a straight female i think i can understand them. their dreams were probably to be actors, and then they auditioned and acted in bls even tho they were straight, and to show that support and do those roles, i don't think it was easy, so for them to choose to pursuit their initial dream (as i suppose of crs), it is not selfish, but normal and everyone should respect their decisions, i don't see it insulting for the community, it they were disrespectful in the first place they wouldn't act in BL series. and as i said, i don't think BL (for now) is enough space to show their capacities as actors) --> this is only my opinion, you may agree, or not. everytime i watch a bl, i wish there were a straigh couple portrayed in it, i don't want to see 3 to 5 gay couples in one series, but if there was what everyone in the world (almost) see as the normal kind of relationship, that would make a male-male relationship equal to female-male or female- female relationships... there shouldn't be dramas for straights only or gays only. one drama i love dearly is the korean drama "love with flaws" that portrays for the first time (i think) a full love story between two guys (i was dying for a kiss but it did not happen) and i loved that along side the other love stories, their love story was told, and they showed how it progressed, and to some extant showed that it was normale and equal to a straight relationship, which i wish would be seen in bl. i lile bl, and i will continu to watch it. but i will always be here wishing it would improve! (sorry for the long ass comment)

[@rumsthatsme]

Why are people making such big issues about them leaving BL dramas? It's not wrong! It's their choice. If you like them as actors just respect their acting. People should stop making big issue about words they use. If they say anything people make big issue, if they don't make statement people make issues. These are 20+ year olds..they deserve to have a life. Stop shipping actors!

[@tzegaing9313]

You are absolutely spot on. Having started watching BL only because of the lockdown I can say the storylines are almost always the same except the beautifully done UWMA and HCTM. Both were refreshing departures from the usual storyline. Directors need to incorporate plots with more substance and roles which challenge an acto's ability. Hope to see some change in the BL genre

[@jasminelong5850]

Both of their reason are completely valid to me🖤. These actors are human and is pushing their comfort zone for y’all new bl watchers and fan service. No Shade I dont want them to just be known for being a BL actor , they should be able to branch out and try other projects whenever they feel like it and not be ridiculed or judge for it 🤷🏾‍♂️. So I agree with them

[@surge0584]

Omg you said it so well about lgbt portrayals and needing something to connect to . Thank you!

[@myrtlebeachb]

Thanks for your honest and "to the point" comments. Keep up the being the best!!!

[@angiegueta197]

As for their statement, I personally think it's the right thing to do. It's their way of showing respect to their MOSTLY fujoshi and fudanshi fans who desire nothing more than to see them act in a bl series. Especially because "accepting other genres at the same time staying in bl entertainment" and "actually leaving the bl world" are two different things. And one more thing, don't normalize and lock them down into our mindset that they are ACTORS and their job is to act whatever role is given to them. As an actor, it's their primary duty to effectively communicate with their audience. Yes it is a sign of professionalism to play various roles but isn't more passionate and genuine to play as someone you are truly comfortable to portray?

[@poparker3622]

For me if Mean and Perth don’t want to do BL anymore after LBC 2 that’s fine but making a statement like that is like a huge slap in the face plus there’s other actors who went from BL to Straight series but they didn’t make a statement like that I think mean shouldn’t say that, look what happened to Godt

[@dontmindme_xo]

Yess...

[@dontmindme_xo]

Didn't Saint also leaving BL?

[@dontmindme_xo]

@Lady Clumsy yes I watch that series. But I think I read somewhere that Why R U is his last BL.

[@lizzyjohn5342]

Nur Amirah Fatin wait what? My poor heart is broken if that’s 100% true 😢 I mean he can do both straight and bl but if that’s what he want then ok kha! He’ll always be my baby 👶

[@poparker3622]

Nur Amirah Fatin he never once announced that he’s leaving BL it’s just his next project is a straight series he never made an announcement about leaving BL like Mean and Perth

[@cbx2017]

Im gonna be honest i had to watch this video twice cuz i literally didn't focus on what you were saying cuz your voice is so beautiful T-T

[@r2m1010]

I totally agree with what you are saying. I think it must originate from Thai culture this need of fan service. We don’t really see this anywhere else. I admit I enjoy watching the actors relationships blossom outside of the dramas but only if it is true. I sometimes find that these Thai media and variety shows go to far in all these games they make the actors play and comments they make. It can’t be easy as the actors themselves can’t be themselves but have to literally put on a show. They must be great actors to do so but it can’t be comfortable and must be tiring to always be aware of who you with and what you do. Fans need to seperate reality from fantasy and just be happy for the actors but not intrude on their personal lives. So thank you for your clip!

[@AV-ks1gp]

I watched a short series called 'His' recently, a japanese short series ( 5 episodes ) and it was one of the most well acted, emotionally charged 'BL' series' I have ever watched. It was what I wish 'BL' was most of the time, not so much focused on building up to super charged smooch times, but more focused on the character development and their internal struggles and how the people around them are affected and react, instead of having ever person around suddenly become interested in the same sex lol. Shipping can really make people delusional, that is why I don't ship the actors outside the series. I feel it creates a lot of limitations for the actors and gives them a really heavy sense of responsibility for the fans. It really puts them in a predicament that they shouldn't have to be in, especially when it comes to deciding to take other acting jobs that aren't in the 'BL' genre. Sorry I rambled LOL!

[@charlottesmom]

A V , I literally just watched His yesterday! It was wonderfully acted and left me smiling at the end, no kissing needed just wonderful acting. The writer really did a great job, I was emotionally invested in both boys, I loved what the girls did at the end, it was very mature. ❤️ I already want to rewatch it....

[@KD-lf5vn]

I agree. ‘His’ is so good. Has depth.

[@joselynreading5169]

I completely agree with this. And I think UWMA was a big break through in Bl because it really pushed the actors and I hope we get more stories like it. Lgbt stories should be it’s own genre it should be included in all types of genre.

[@thatpeachdan_5522]

I've been binge-watching your videos and girl, i love your contents 'cause i'm new in BL world. I learned a lot. And you have a good voice. Keep it up!!! 💗💗💗

[@toabordo1437]

I loved how you have approached this! It was respectful and I get the lack of depth in BL storylines. Also, I haven’t noticed all the fetiches upon BL actors until now, even though it seems quite obvious. Good to make us think a bit further.

[@kevinblair2546]

They should be able to explore any area of acting to their hearts content. As for their love life it's really none of our business who they sleep with as long as they are happy who cares.

[@giftwilliam4919]

I really appreciate this video and the whole explanations u made. P.S Singto is also the love of my life hahaha. I think they have potential and if they intend to try them selves in other movies that is not bl is understandable. Boy got dreams right? Well I'm going to miss them a lot. Mean and Perth are one of my favourite favourites. This days I hardly watch other movies if not bl lol. Well I wish them the best and i urge fans to do the same. We love them either way. And it's really not easy playing a gay character when u are straight. We all know how judgemental the world is today. I would want to see them in more bl but it's also okay if they want out. I will still watch any movie I see them in. Thanks.

[@anjaigirl]

Damn your voice is shooting.... Like i can imagine you reading an Audio Book. Nice work as always

[@harvestmoon_autumnsky]

One of the reasons Lbc was so overwhelmingly beloved was due to Perth. That kid has serious acting chops. He's truly wonderful. He made me BELIEVE in bl love. Of course he wants better roles. He's a freaking amazing actor.

[@justinward3886]

I would have been fine if mean just left without saying anything but all those comments he had to add just made me lose respect for him

[@shanaynayokeil6553]

Yes! He was like "I'll come to BL when i need money"....bish please!

[@neveronasunday533]

@@shanaynayokeil6553 I don't see anything wrong with that comment. It's like me saying, I'll take up driving a taxi if I need extra cash.

[@jhonmedina5298]

This is the thing, yes they have the right to do all kinds of roles, but for me it is like they take advantage of the fact that the bl Is now a big thing and its trendy and the fujoshis community and gay community is very big, so they take these roles to make themselfs known to win fame and followers and then they leave this and do not want to be related to these projects, for example 2moons GOD he made this series and separated from this project and his colleagues and then saw that the series he was doing were not successful and that 2moons2 was very successful, then it started to appear with bass and look for how to relate to this again, let's accept it are just actors , yes some of them are maybe bi or gay but most of them are straight , some of them use this shows because they feel good with that and think that this can make a difference but most of them make it just to be known ,so we should not fall in love with them, or with their false relationships with their partners , we must fall in love with the characters that's it .

[@armymoaengenecarat5955]

I stan Mean 😍 Will be watching LBC2 because of him. He had the best acting in LBC. I love this video of yours btw. The comments you've mentioned here on point.

[@anotherjuan]

New to BL and I love this video essay. You made valid points especially towards the end. Glad you find Singto cute too hahaha

[@karrenhviannjaranilla6793]

I can see why they had to release a statement on not doing BL. If it was me, I’d rather not hear anything like that from them since they are free to do what they want like Tay and New and even MaxTul. I don’t know about the fujoshis but BL for me is one of those things that entertain me while I learn about Thai culture. I force myself to consume content that is trendy in other countries like UK and US reality shows and Chinese period dramas so it is ok for me to watch them acting as heteros because most, if not all, BL actors are straight. I will be supporting them no matter what but the statement is unnecessary although this might have given delulu fans a closure.

[@quanzy121]

Let them leave if they want 🙄🤦🏿‍♀️ What’s the problem with that? Why are people hating on them? 😩😩😩😩

[@Bucherviews]

4:22 You have some good points, but the moment when you said that 'gay people can relate to so many of the storylines!' and the clip you used at that exact moment was the one of a character about to kill his boyfriend... yeah XD

[@yourangelaw]

I can see Perth going off into other roles. He was so good in LBC like I could feel the emotions and I cried when he cried. I would love to see him in other roles still.

[@PG-wo3ts]

I think P and S had the makings of something great. They had and still have a huge fan base and if it wasn't for the mess of P's previous manager and the whole Cathy doll fiasco which IMO was the biggest PR mistake ever, he probably wouldn't have given it a second thought. Whereas for M, the comment he made was totally unnecessary. He upset a lot of fans and to me disrepected the projects he acted in as he now make it seems that he did it all for money and fame and then to say BL roles are limiting and he doesn't want to be known for that. Am sure he wasn't forced to take the role of a BL actor and yes he is entiltled to his opinion, but comments like that to the lgbt+ community that embraced him not only as an actor but as person is demeaning.

[@vittorianasc]

Can you please explain the manager feud + Cathy doll fiasco to me? I never really saw an explanation so I don't really understand what happened except that it drew S and P apart :(

[@PG-wo3ts]

@@vittorianasc As I am an inter fan, please correct me if am wrong but i could get from the situation that P manager didn't like that S was close with him so was booking jobs that excluded S. For Cathy Doll they were all booked to be presenters and then S couldn't do it coz he had other commitments elsewhere and it caused a huge upset for the fans. I just find the whole situation bizzare and you shouldn't compare but how is it that Ohm/Fluke and Mew/Gulf can have different managers but get on so well and attend events, FM, endorsements etc without any problems and how sucessful they are but with P and S they just can't bear the thought of them together 🤭 Sorry for the rant 😁

[@caseyjason-ws3fr]

@@PG-wo3ts also dont forget The owner of the Agency where Perth was and so all the boys of LBC except SAINT AN D MEAN acquired the rights of organizing FAN MEETINGS inside and outside Thailand and he block Saint whenever he felt like doing it🤦🏾‍♂️ It caused alot of problems in China and Myanmar, where co organizers there demanded he must be there....the nerve of him

[@booth284]

Good discussion and thoughts here I think it’s a shame if some actors leave this genre but I can understand their desire to branch out and expand on their careers. Sometimes getting pigeon-holed can kill a career.

[@PamWond]

Very sensible commentary, I agree with you. There are so many of these young men coming into the entertainment industry, sadly there are going to be only a very small number of them who will find work in the adult world, because there will be so few roles for them.

[@MarieLineGabriele]

Chimon, Gun Atthaphan, Drake etc do bl and het roles, the excuses are bullshit and a lot of gays people feel offended, they are good enough to raise fame, and after people fought to have lbcss2 they should have waited the end of the series to make those comments.

[@TheAlizwa]

Also this probably means there won’t be a lbcs3 then so the story between Pete and Ae will remain unfinished. We won’t see all the things that happen between them leading to Pete moving away.

[@joythinker739]

@@TheAlizwa They could always do like 2moons2 and use other actors? But I don't know if the fans will like it though

[@TheAlizwa]

multi;fandom tingz I don’t think I would like that especially since unlike 2moons people actually liked all the actors they used for this drama , in 2moons people always complained about the main couple a lot. I would maybe give it a try if they kept Saint as Pete though since he isn’t quitting bl stuff and they can change everyone else but I think it might actually work if they changed the actors to actors that are already popular🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MarieLineGabriele]

@@joythinker739 Frankly i always supported Perth and Mean until they say BS, so if they recasted some of the cast who pose problems i wouldn't mind

[@Vizible21]

So no one's going to talk about how almost all bl series are overdoing the gay? Like "overgaying" the story and make like 100 couples in 1 series? For me i love some of the main characters plot but what ruins it for me is the fact that they tend to make all the characters gay... They should've just focus on 1 gay characters and just make other characters the supporting characters... I know it's a tv series but please give it a little bit of reality. But again this Thai Bl industry is as shallow as the kpop industry anyway... Too focused on physical attractiveness... Who wins in the end are those straight actors anyway ...

[@gayeonbin]

I agree with the fact that some BLs have too many side couples but making every character gay is far from being unrealistic

[@chaoticmelon816]

I agree, but in reality us lgbt folk tend to stick to together so it is realistic that there are many friend group that mainly consists of lgbt people.

[@LunarFantasy]

Just like water boys

[@mjg138]

Hahahaha teaaa

[@infinity887]

I think so too.. whenever I see a Thai drama.. altho I enjoy watching it.. I always think.. "are all the LGBT people in the whole country right here? why are there so many? it would be nice if they could mix up a little.. make it like a normal open society.. if they show women.. they are two types.. crazy desperate women and crazy bl fans(like in "why r u?" "history away from me").. I liked untamed and also ten miles of peach blossoms.. because it had all kinds of relationships and all kinds of people mixed in.. (my only sadness was that they didn't show bl romance) but still I'm waiting for a day they would shoot dramas like that.. theory of love, secret love puppy honey.. these were good too.. regarding showing various relationships..

[@cath7291]

I felt that part about singto, he's the love of my life too 🥺 and in bl series or not, im gonna support him all the way. ❤️ So much love for this channel ❤️🙏🏼 susu na!

[@komalkoteshwar2242]

It's been more than 2 years I'm into BL genre. Yeah at start i would get questions like, "are they really gay irl too?" but with time i got some can be and some are straight. And i have always seen them as an actor doesn't really matter if they doing BL's our straight couple dramas/movie. I'LL always support their work no matter what! 💞 And Perth and Mean are one of my favourites 💕 and i totally respect their decision and look forward to their new projects ❤ I hope all the BL fans be supportive about their faves personal/professional choices 🙏😘

[@myravipikonicteume4687]

They both great actor.... I will support them in bl or not bl series. Good for them to try other things. To me that shows they grown up.... Want to challenge themselves. I as a fan.... I will support and love ❤️ them in what field they want to do... Luv u nong Perth....

[@weaklinq]

Here’s my thing if they “leave” the bl genre then that’s up to them leave them be. Most of the bls do use the same typical setup like it doesn’t change so I get what they mean by challenge. Also I guarantee you if they would’ve put bl under the same genre as romance and just romance lgbtq community would’ve had a fit. Idc what they label it as I enjoy a good romance show/movie, but it’s like no matter what u do someone is going to have an opinion.

[@kissthencry]

Hi. I just started watching LBC 4 days ago and finished it in less than 2 days because it was sooooooo good to watch 😍 the feels and all. Anyway, I would like to know from which drama is this scene at 3:52? Is that still love by chance? Thank you 😊

[@yohasakura5903]

It's Reminder, a short series

[@juliennemaduro5663]

I would like your opinion on A tale of thousand stars. Because from the teaser its seems not to be set in a school setting and not from enemies to lovers but thats only from the teaser alone. I am looking forward to that drama. Whats are your thought about the drama?

[@moonconsort]

Julienne Maduro I’m really excited about that drama! I’m a fan of Earth, and genres like supernatural/spiritual are my favorites. I plan to do actual reactions for every episode once it starts airing. ^^

[@Marc-rx5xg]

I love how the one reason why I, a gay guy, can even watch all these series is because quite a few girls are fetishising us gay people is honestly a bit weird. And I get mad angry when girls I barely know come to me and either ask me if I'm "a top or a bottom" or just determine it themselves just because they either watch BLs or read a lot of Yaoi, like honey, if you're a straight girl and not my best friend, it's none of your business Live and let live, but fetishising a sexual orientation is on another level, right?

[@mrpatmichele]

honestly, every time someone asks me if i'm a top or a bottom, I always answer with "I'm a person"

[@NovaLyceum]

I completely agree with you about women asking insanely personal questions. Unfortunately when it comes to finding media that mirrors my existence it's so very limited. I turned to BL/Asian media because I was sick and tired of Hollywood using drugs and promiscuity as the only avenues to show the experience of a gay man

[@luciparadise6781]

Marc That is absolutely insane. I blame social media for most of this kind of obnoxious behavior. With so much over sharing, people just believe they are entitled to the most personal of information. I'm sad to hear you have to put up with that.

[@sugakookies8063]

Holy crap, they actually do that?? I thought that was just something I saw on TV🤯😓 I’m sorry that you (and others with the same experiences) have to deal with that - no one deserves to have that happen to them😕

[@charlottesmom]

Exactly, it is NONE of their business....why would anyone think it was okay to ask you that personal of a question. Class-less floozies! 😡 I think some of the young ones have no clue that there is such a thing as over sharing due to social media and the drive to make everything public....I do think some BL's (and even strait dramas) feed the "everything goes/nothing is sacred" mentality. I was watching the first episode of Why R U yesterday and I saw two disturbing scenes. Two girls who were fawning over the main character Zon because they thought he was in a relationship with another male, they were all out fangirling just out of the blue, who the hell would do that? The other scene was Zon's sister writing a BL story about her BROTHER....that has to cross about 50 ewwwwwwww lines. Even if it was strait it would cross those same 50 lines, writing about a sibling like that, I hope no one does that IRL. These shows allow the line crossing (respecting the privacy of others) so teen and early 20 girls have no issue crossing the same lines. Don't get me wrong I love Dramas and BL dramas have wormed their way into my heart but some of them just seem to be feeding the poor behavior of some fans. Most fans can keep the fantasy/reality line clear but some it seems just can't. Thus girls asking very personal questions when they should zip it and mind their own business.

[@konni2354]

It been 4 years I'm been a fans of BL and it been just 2 years I start following them on Instagram 😂 I never in my life put theirs roles and theirs IRL in the same page. I always tags theirs roles they are playing. I never SHIP them in real and I found that strange! Why I never ship them in IRL 😂😂 I'm too busy with others new series to have the time to ship them in real life. My blog take me soo much time & my Instagram account too. I can difference the reality and the Fan service they're given us 😂😂 ( GMMTV are the pro on that 😂 They build me correctly😂😂😂) The only fans service they make me Laugh is MAX & TUL 😂😂 I can't survive with them!!!😂💞💞 I still follow theirs SHIP fanspage to know what new series they will play and I encourage them!!💞

[@charlottesmom]

Manee , Max and Tul are both hysterical, I adore both of them! ❤️

[@fayagyepong448]

Your video hit a lot of good points. Thanks for the informative video.

[@zer0luv]

They don't want to be typecast, good for them! I love Krist & Singto, but I also love their non-bl roles. One Night Steal was good and I'm really looking forward to Military of Love. I got into Thai tv shows through BL (which I hate calling it that, it makes me feel like perverted lady saying it aloud, I tell my friends they are gay dramas), but I've branched out and watch a ton of other Thai shows now (aka pretty much everything GMMTV puts out). But thank you for this video and sharing your opinions.

[@sasutomato]

BL series need some more damn variety esspecially Thai BL. I'm so bored of the same school themed crap. I have actually stopped watching BL because of it. However I did watch The Moment I need you to support my baby Pon. It was a breath of fresh air. I was so happy to see a different type of plot and setting for once. 😭 Honestly I wanted Perth to branch out more because he has so much potential. I don't think he should quit BL forever but I get his frustrations from being stuck with the same type of role over and over again and also the crazy PinSon fans who have no life.