Ping G410LST vs. Tour Edge EXS 220 // 2020 Fairway Wood Bracket

[@M.Westen]

Not going to lie, I legitmately go "yes, a new episode" when this pops up 😊

[@clubchampionmedia]

🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@doctorstrange2549]

My goal is to make a trip to Canada just to meet these gents in person, even if no fitting was involved (which there would be). Simply the best channel ever.....no question 👍🏻

[@M.Westen]

@@doctorstrange2549 Yeah same, if it ever becomes economically feasbile, that would be fantastic. However, being over 6000 kilometers away, that might be a couple of years 😂

[@goodlife1581]

I saw this new vid and said out loud “oh fuck yea”

[@Arkslippy]

Yesterday was a very long day with no episode

[@stuartholmes6262]

Wow, did not expect that result. The 100k give away is hands down the ultimate golfing prize. Best I've EVER heard of. Way better than any manufacturer give away because with the fitting the winner gets the best clubs for them, not the best clubs from a limited range.

[@tommyjon514]

The best part of the Tour Edge is that you can get it in 16.5 degrees. That is basically a 4 wood. I love mine. So easy to hit and that is coming from someone who struggled for years trying to hit fairway woods. I actually find myself hitting it off the tee on certain holes and I never would do that before. I had major trust issues with fairway woods before this club. I'm a 8 HCP by the way.

[@zyzda22]

Pulling for tour edge, glad to see that squeeze out a win!

[@BlaKKoutGT]

Tour exotics ex10 line was pure! glad to see they're starting to appear on youtube because there was absolutely no information about the ex10 line throughout its lifetime

[@Mitch3515]

It was surprising to see how consistent the Tour Edge was off the deck and off the tee, definitely don't sleep on their wood line!

[@jasonkidd4066]

The content these gents put up is so good I had to hit the bell. Only KZbin channel I have notifications for and that’s not disappointing.

[@TLRChad]

There was definitely an audible difference when Matt struck the Edge for the first time. Great stuff as usual gentlemen.

[@chriselerick4770]

did NOT expect this. nice showing by tour edge. i’m kinda with matty. the flight and curvature looked more a bit better with ping. but the numbers don’t lie. great win for tee!!!

[@TheOgieone]

Love the 3 wood bracket!!

[@kevinmurphy3666]

Nice guys awesome to watch ty!!! And I just ordered the 3 220 two days ago and iam hitting the mavrik max 3 wood ,,, just needed a change i hope for the better!!! I also hit the tour edge 220 driver and I really love it ,,, anyway ty guys very much always a great job !!!!

[@themuscovyducks]

It's really great to see a company like Tour Edge get some validation for their products. Glad to see you guys putting this content out there

[@evankolar8957]

Can you do a video of a beginners set of clubs or a box set. Also do some more TourEdge videos

[@stephendibari5010]

Thoroughly enjoyed the past 2 driver brackets and now 3 wood bracket. So cool 😎!! Looking forward to how this one turned out

[@captainmatt346]

I play a Tour Edge 3 wood. One thing to watch out for is swingweight. After cracking the face in mine, I sent it in for replacement which they did. Reused the shaft which was a perfect fit and the new one swingweighted much lighter. A bunch of lead tape later and I have the perfect 3 wood again

[@theokyriacopoulos4285]

I play the G410 it’s an absolute killer in finding the fairway and long, I have wanted to try the Tour edge but unfortunately not available in Australia.

[@craigosborne5206]

I have not seen a video which included the Mizuno fairway as yet. But it has a major semi against the exotics

[@matthellmann4212]

For the money it's hard to argue against TourEdge. If it comes close to the more expensive brands, they'd definitely consider that a win.

[@Mak100ish]

Yeah it's a great club

[@lukemiceli6538]

Underdog story. Tour edge is the dark horse!

[@rufussthoo4083]

Interesting, but not surprising, outcome given previous testing of the TE Exotics. Lack of an adjustable sleeve would mean a (good) fitting would be needed to ensure it delivered on the 'promise' though. Am very interested in how a slower swing speed might change the outcome of all the bracket face-offs and the ultimate winner. Could you do a bracket with the inimitable Ronnie?

[@joshtiedt8651]

I like the look and the feel of the Tour Edge the few times I've hit them. Actually bought my dad a set of EXS irons.

[@rogrog099]

Love this bracket format, thanks you

[@stevenmoormann3644]

Can y’all try to review the exotics with the special nunchuk shaft? Really heavy that’s what I have but based on how I hit everything else something is special about that shaft

[@chrishartman5383]

The EXS looks like a great solution for someone with a strong fade or slice bias. More upright lie, and a much more pronounced draw shape to the ball flight (with Matt hitting it.) And it actually seemed more consistent with that draw flight too. Love this content!

[@jasonstrayer8347]

Agreed. I hit the previous generation EXS and I am a fade bias. Rare for me to fade the EXS.

[@brentninedorf6617]

Yay EXS!!! Seems like good product across the board! Curious to see Wilson WLabs Proto driver and fairway since Woodland switched to them.

[@BloodySoup74]

Its all about the money my guy. Look what happened to G Mac when he switched to Srixon from Titleist. He dropped off the planet.

[@brentninedorf6617]

BloodySoup74 I thought I read Wilson’s ownership group was trying to get more aggressive in golf. He wasn’t under contract for the driver and fairway from my understanding unless he got something he felt comfortable with. I didn’t see any drop off from what I could tell although he lost some weight too so different body making the swing. Their Staff line of irons have typically been reviewed well since the FG Tour. Streelman took second using Wilson a couple weeks ago at the Travelers and Brendan Steele has had some decent showings too. Will be interesting since Woodland had some awesome fairway wood shots during his US Open win.

[@BloodySoup74]

@@brentninedorf6617 Dont get me wrong I do like Wilson's new line of golf equipment. Love their FG irons. Its just money to these tour players. Those guys are so good that they should be able to play with anything. I switched from my 10 year old mizunos to new mizunos 2 years ago and now it feels like I added 5 strokes to my game.

[@stowehouses]

Wait a second. Is the standard deviation result due to the EXS performing more similarly off the tee and off the deck? So it looked more like one homogeneous data set rather than two merged data sets (as with the Ping)? For measuring standard deviation I would think you would need to examine them without merging the tee balls and fairway shots.

[@clubchampionmedia]

yes, but it essentially means that the EXS performed the same even when the strike location moved up a bit (as a result of being on a tee). As we mentioned that may not be for everyone, but it's a great potential feature in terms of consistency and distance control. Also have to remember this is mostly for fun and to show everyone how all these different fairways perform, picking winners just adds a bit of entertainment

[@jgeary8473]

I've had success with TE Exotics fairway for 4 yrs, starting with the EX10, then the EX10 Beta (Ti). I've always cut the stock shaft and put in a GD AD F 65 in the fairways, Forgiving, long, good height. Went to the EXS 220 in the 16.5 this year, changed out stock shaft and it's easier to hit straight than the EX10 Beta. Now trying to consider whether to keep the EX10 Beta 5 wd or go to EXS 220. As to Ping, I just haven't found it longer or more consistent in a G400 when I pitted it against the EX10 Beta.

[@mvansb23]

No EXS pro for lefties, but would love to see Ian test that series if you can get your hands on them. Seems like the regular EXS series is a bit high spin for us guys that need to take some off.

[@dougmael]

I have both the EXS 220 and EXS Pro fairways (and an EXS Pro driver), and there is a rather dramatic difference in spin, and overall performance, between the two lines (I'm a Tour Edge Exotics Fitter/Dealer, so I get to try all of their clubs and all shaft options, plus I have some other aftermarket shafts in Exotics adapters to hit in the EXS 220 and EXS Pro drivers). The EXS Pro driver and fairway are definitely both low-spin beasts in the right hands. For my rather meager 95-97 MPH clubhead speed, particularly when compared to Matt and Ian, I am seeing about 400 - 500 RPM lower spin with the EXS Pro driver and 350 - 400 RPM lower spin with the EXS pro 3-wood with my swing. I hit my driver with an approximately 2* to 4* upward angle on decent swings, and am flat to about 1.5* up with my 3-wood, so I'm not a super high-spin guy, but I find the spin numbers with the EXS Pro driver and fairway to be slightly preferable. The only time that I appreciate the added spin from the shallower-faced EXS 220 3-wood is when I hit it off the deck (a little extra spin is always appreciated when hitting downwind, but it's extremely rare to find a golf course where you are hitting downwind on all holes).

[@mvansb23]

dougmael - thanks. Very interesting. They do a great job at tour edge. It’s impressive given their R&D budget disadvantage relative to the big boys.

[@tomotto1298]

Love these tests! When you guys finish the 3 wood test can you please do a test with plastic vs. wooden tees? I would love to see those numbers

[@vivitoisright382]

I think Matt hit the E3wood longer and better with stock shaft on previous video which shows that putting your 'personal ' shaft on any club head out there does not mean its better than stock in this case. A particular shaft will give you different feel with different heads. Just my opinion. On your Tour Edge video posted June 12th, Matt was carrying it 305 with 325 total.

[@REm-19]

Wouldn't the EXS Pro or the CBX 119 be a better comparison to the G410LST?

[@gSF95]

Can y’all bring back why in the bag now that golf I had returned? Love how you guys really break down equipment

[@josephdubiel7129]

Nice review as always gentlemen. Of course my favorite wood will probably always be the Ping G 410 SFT. The two in this review are good as well. Joe

[@thisjustanother]

i play the g410 SFT 3 and 5 wood. love them both. amazing fairway woods.

[@mattparsons946]

What a killer head to head. That was super fun to watch. (No spoilers 🙂)

[@Rohan-ne4pp]

I would really like to see Matt hit the new EXS pro fairway wood. Very interesting test guys, keep them coming

[@liquidforce90]

Question: does combining the Tee and Off-the-Deck data punish clubs that perform differently in those scenarios (like the G410 LST) because they will have wider standard deviations? Shouldn't the categories be looked at separately and see what the standard deviation is off the deck, then separately what it is off a tee? Seems that a club shouldn't be "punished" in standard deviation because it separates itself off the tee vs deck. It could very well have a tight standard deviation in both but they produce different enough numbers that the overall SD is higher. Just a thought... love all your guys' work!

[@albinobluesheep]

Glad to see the Tour Edge EXS shakes out as a good option! I've been eyeing it lately because it's price was much lower and was VERY curious about this episode specifically.

[@samuelcollie2050]

I recently purchased the Tour Edge driver (10.5) and 3 wood (16.5) with senior flex shafts. So far, for my senior game, I could not be happier. I do want to purchase the weight set for the driver and experiment with that. Given price and value, for the average golfer, Tour Edge is difficult to beat.

[@davidmartindale2709]

I play the cbx forged irons and the exs 3 wood. Most underrated brand out there.

[@jordankjonesod]

Curious how different the exs Pro would be.

[@jamiewells688]

Good luck getting one. Not available from tour edge

[@aartvdmolen]

Very informative ! Would love to see a hybrid bracket too ! And add Ben Hogan in your challenges :)

[@dougholtz]

Do you adjust the loft and lie (on those clubs that have that capability) for Matt's swing before the tests?

[@justinm4801]

It really is amazing how close these clubs all test. Just curious what golf ball is being used for these tests? Is it the same for all of them?

[@reidthompson6272]

Anybody else JUST get acustrike ads? What are they trying to tell me? How do they know???? And do they ship overnight?

[@cervuscanadensis5634]

Do you ever do any on course testing? real grass and rough etc…

[@cjsnowdon]

Whats really interesting, in every test theres different winners in different categories Shows the value of fitting! In different hands you could easily see that result reversed. Great for tour edge, are they the new Adams?

[@stevemccrory9130]

What happened to yesterday's instalment? I don't think it arrived.

[@clubchampionmedia]

was a day off for the boys!

[@Alex-tl6vz]

What an upset. I'm finding more and more the standard deviation result matters most to me.

[@sonicpebble]

Sheesh. talk about no spoilers! XD

[@RichHodyl]

It's something the guys also made a point about when testing forged blades versus player improvement irons, and also when they did a Ping iron fitting with a mid level handicap player - consistency and predictability.

[@griffinrowe3561]

Are u guys doing a exotics fitting video?

[@Bjurvild]

How much of Matty's bag is left to fit after FW? He's gonna have one hell of a set for 2020

[@ReeseJJ12]

I believe it would be really interesting to do this same bracket but using a 14-18 handicapper. There may be different results do to inconsistent strikes.

[@miguelaniceto1541]

Considering that Tour Edge is keeping it close with a much friendlier price point... tour edge should be proud of the products that they are putting out.

[@diontipene3740]

When’s the next one coming?

[@davidlewisTN]

Upset win for a mid-major.😎

[@Ryan-fx7jx]

Hey TXG, I always miss the live Q&A but had a really interesting question... Light shaft / heavy swingweight vs heavy shaft / light swingweight - who is suited to each and what effects would that have?

[@victorrodriguezsr6081]

Gents ever consider a Champion of Champions bracket? Bring back some of the previous years Winners and test them against each other.

[@banditbaker1675]

Oooooo that was close, it would have been interesting to see the outcome if you had put the standard G410 into the mix

[@hudsonr.743]

Matt is an absolute machine. I don't think there is a better person to test out clubs. It would only be better if he were right handed.

[@Melchior11]

Hard to tell from the video: how high does Matt tee the ball for a 3W? Is it like an iron or does he let half the ball get above the club head?

[@clubchampionmedia]

pretty low, kind of just the top of the tee itself above the ground, ball in line with the upper middle of the club face

[@BrianDaBruce]

Not to be greedy, but we need this with hybrids too. Love it!

[@joshfullerton2033]

Ouch! I’m a PING guy and I love the G410 3 wood, I have the standard I think it would have been the better fit for Matt’s swing.... but I’m just finding excuses for myself! What a great Upset, I Love the brackets but they can be soo heart breaking! LOL

[@clubchampionmedia]

😆 LST was the right fit here, the standard one would have spun a bit too much

[@implicitzen1262]

congrats on 90k lads!

[@ignorance123]

SIM vs EXS final?

[@dougmael]

One can only hope!

[@dudeless7]

Why you didn't compare the ping lst against the Tour Edge 220 pro ? Two low spin version would have been more fair.

[@clubchampionmedia]

That was the LST version

[@dudeless7]

TXG Tour Experience Golf It was not the Tour Edge exotics 220 pro witch is the low spin version from Tour Edge

[@dudeless7]

TXG Tour Experience Golf The exs 220 pro have two weights, one on the toe side and one on the heel side

[@andyholt7038]

Kinda bummed TEE is getting in the public eye....guaranteed to drive their $$ up! 😉 Not surprised by the win here at all. Another quality vid gentlemen. 👍🏻

[@smcesq_]

Which TP5 ball has Matty been using in recent videos?

[@clubchampionmedia]

this was a TP5 Pix

[@davidbowe9999]

I play a SIM 3 wood and exotics hybrid would like to see them in the final.

[@jeremylonsdale3350]

A few years back tour edge had some seriously hot hybrids that found thier way into a few tour bags.

[@dougmael]

There's still plenty of Tour Edge Exotics hybrids (fairway metals and a few drivers, too) in the bags of guys on the Champions Tour, and as recently as last year a few were in the bags of guys on the PGA tour. Scott McCarron won last year's Charles Schwab Cup playing TE Exotics, and Tom Lehman won the first event of the 2020 Season with Exotics EXS 220 driver, fairway, and hybrid in his bag. Recently, several of the guys on the Champions Tour have put the EXS Pro driver and fairway in play. I'm not sure if he's still gaming it, but Ryan Palmer also had an Exotics CBX 119 hybrid in his bag out on the PGA Tour in 2019.

[@jackreid2493]

Why wasn't there a preliminary round for the Ping? Seems like LST may not have been the best option for Matt!

[@Murf1802]

Hey Matty you wait alot for groupmin front to get off green????lol I know you do with that swing killing it brother ,,,Sweet,, IAM on in 3 par 5s ,,your a driver and a wedge lol good for you great job guys !!!!

[@Murf1802]

Love it guys I game the tour edge 5 and 3 woods love them !!! Ty guys

[@zachfabrize6399]

You should review the pyramid putter please

[@paulshepherd27]

Just got the combo in big sticks. Totally love em. Not LST though. Awesome info yet again guys 👏🏻💪

[@dougmael]

It's really a shame that the Exotics EXS Pro FW is not available in a left-handed model! At least off the tee, I believe that the EXS Pro would have excelled. I own both the EXS 220 and EXS Pro hi-launch 3 woods (at 16.5* loft, I consider them to be 4-woods), and my choice regarding which one goes in my bag on any given day is dependent solely on what course I will be playing, and from what set of tees. If I expect to be hitting the fairway wood from the tee that day, it's the deeper-faced, lower-spinning EXS Pro; however, if I will be playing a course where I will be hitting fairway wood off the deck (meaning a course with longish par-5 holes), it's the EXS 220 fairway that day.

[@EdwardBailey]

Price comparison on the two clubs?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Ping has their 410 series on sale right now so prices are similar, but when they were full price the EXS was about $75-100 less depending on where you live

[@wallstreetoneil]

For me, this wasn't even close if you watched the flights and looked at the Standard Deviations - the EXS_220 just flew the same every time - that's what you look for in a gamer and why once you find a 3 wood that you know what it's going to do, you never change it. Matty could start that left edge on every shot and it would draw into the target every time from 110 feet and 3500 spin - that is basically a perfect 3 wood. The Pro version, with the swappable (L/R) weights, would give you a straight ball - but I don't think straight flights are the best gamers.

[@hemahasona1537]

I’ve got PXG sneaking up and taking the whole thing. You heard it here first 😂

[@cwugrad396]

Since off the deck is more important to me than off the tee I’d take the EXS but the standard G410 brilliant off the deck

[@lillithara5120]

Tour Edge Exotics vs Mavrik SZ for the final

[@dougmael]

As for which 3-wood I'd be putting my hard-earned cash on in this bracket, I am sad to say that as much as I love the TE Exotics EXS Series of fairway metals, I would probably go with the SIM. I'm hoping for an upset by the EXS 220, but I know that it will be an uphill battle for sure!

[@kevinbooth8194]

Great duel guys exs is a real sleeper. 100k not far away now.

[@noonster55]

His 3 wood numbers off the tee are the same as my Driver numbers...Actually a few yards longer...

[@jakelopez7578]

100% PING player here....i'm devastated watching this 😬😂

[@erniestarkey8856]

don't be. PING is still a good product. Exotics is unknown but I assure you that it is as good as top names out there. I play this 3 wood and it is a monster. I reach par 5's easily now.

[@nigelday001]

Ernie Starkey well said , I play the standard 3 wood lofted to 16’ off both tee and fairway .. straight high and extremely trust worthy club .. 😉🏌️⛳️🍻

[@dudeless7]

Ernie Starkey The brand is tour edge not exotics... exotics is a series of tour edge

[@erniestarkey8856]

@@dudeless7 well excuse me. I play Exotics. The Exotics line is what we are talking about anyway.

[@coegj]

For some reason I liked the sound of the EXS, it sounded like more pop and bang in a good way to me ?????? Still good test.

[@frankyang7958]

I would love to see Mizuno or Tour Edge wins this one

[@Noerhede92]

Matt is swinging great at the moment, keep it up ;)

[@BAA3595]

Didn't really make sense after watching how Matt hit the G410 LST fairway last year. He was getting ball speeds of 169 and hitting it straight carrying it near 300 yards. And you both stated it was the best fairway he had ever hit. This year it loses in first round of bracket. Results seem conflicting and confusing.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Not swinging the same way or as fast as a year ago, not that hard to believe

[@zacharymilos392]

Not shocked... Exs is an absolute sleeper, and I think if "pay to play" wasnt so huge on tour, you'd see a lot more niche brands in guys bags.

[@duane05]

SIM! Titanium gives it an advantage of the ground and tee!

[@keithfinley2939]

I'd like to see the pro version but it likely won't be in left hand

[@andrewkean1292]

That subscriber count is going up awfully fast

[@clayfleming6286]

Between these 2 I would 100% take the ping on these results. I prefer the characteristics to change slightly off the tee and like value proximity above all else. I think the Mavrik SZ would destroy either of them.

[@GolfGunsNGears]

I find it hard to say the Tour Edge won when the player says he's picking the Ping based on the numbers. Also, Ian keeps saying the Mavrik Sub Zero is in the bracket but I'm pretty sure the standard Mavrik won the play in round, not the Sub Zero.

[@mvmnt3scherzo]

I think it was pretty obvious that the Ping was better for Matty. The tour edge spun too much for him. But for someone who struggles to get the launch on their woods, that exs looks perfect.

[@jbspullins1725]

just dont see how the Sim will get knocked off the top , it is a monster.. its the Bryson of fairway woods. I cant compare my ability to others but I have tried the sim, Callaway, ping, Titleist, Cleveland, cobra and Sim Max and the SIM TI was just has a higher gear.

[@mikenomikos9040]

I feel like Matt makes all the clubs perform better than they can lol. Has anyone posted how to enter the subscriber contest yet?

[@Leftylobber]

I HATED how closed at address the EXS220 was. I bought one from my rep right away and snap hooked every ball off the course

[@keithkatz1350]

Is it me or am I seeing a bit more shaft flex with Matts latest shaft?? Think SIM is going to take this one but dont count out Mavrik just yet. Cheers from Norcal

[@roberthart9054]

Liked this a lot

[@jasonstrayer8347]

My bracket is still alive! :-)