How SPEED affects fighting games.

[@typhoonbh]

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[@forbiddenbox]

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[@m.o.s.4742]

The Ishowspeed reference was gold, especially because he is terrible in fighting games lol

[@lyutsy888]

What fighting games has he played on stream

[@ibblue0710]

@@lyutsy888 Smash Ultimate

[@Voobit]

@Kaisair no he didnt

[@sibusisolanga2393]

Being 8 minuted in Brawlhalla kinda killed my enjoyment in the game lmao I still play it but I've turned my more competitive focus to Tekken instead. Granted I'm aware its quite rare to find a player who intends on running away for that long but the fact that it's even possible to stall a game for that long is truly insane. Sometimes too much freedom can be bad lmao😅

[@typhoonbh]

Yeah, as soon as I saw a competitive brawlhalla match almost go to sudden death I knew something was wrong lmao

[@lilslash]

Being timed out/camped in smash really felt like playing it competitively was a chore. I have no understanding why people enjoy playing that way even if it’s competitive. I dropped smash for strive and any new fgc on the horizon

[@wlt3585]

@@lilslash Most people don't play that way for fun, they play that way because it gives them the greatest chance to win

[@Areaninetyone]

@@wlt3585 right and that's only fair if it's a tournament where there is prizes on the line, casual matches and for glory is infested with people that play that way.

[@gamedragonja8962]

@@lilslash literally only two characters out of the 80+ can do that reliabley.Meanwhile every character in brawlhalla can do that

[@BlazerBluu]

Love your videos dude! I'm gonna get into video game/fighting game analysis because they are fun to make, and you are a great inspiration for me to start off doing these type of videos!

[@typhoonbh]

Thank you so much! That really means a lot

[@BlazerBluu]

@@typhoonbh no problem man! keep up the good work

[@poopyguy98]

ain't you the aba player ?

[@BlazerBluu]

@@poopyguy98 this ain't even an ABA video bruh how the hell you recognize me

[@JunesFantasy]

@@poopyguy98 he quit

[@breezeless_7665]

Speed is exactly why some people hate zoners, needing to play according to the other players pace that they want is annoying and you’ll rarely feel like you’re in control. Speed also makes grapples more balanced (most of the time) since if they were speedy like a rush down character, you’d be grabbed endlessly. Speed is both cool and wack

[@javianbrown8627]

That's fair. I feel like zoners hate some rush down characters just as much though as the fast movement rushdowns have means if you make a single mistake they get close and start their strike throw bullshit. What's weird though is I like both playstyles as I play mostly Karin and Poison in SF5 and in Guilty gear I play Millia and Testement.

[@mirzapramudya1580]

I honestly like both fast paced fighting games like DBFZ and slow paced ones like For Honor (idk if you'd count that as a fighting game, but I do). I always find it amazing when seeing people do flashy combos and strings that last a long while. And I like the latter because slow paced games tend to have higher damage output wich makes the game full of focus and commitment. One wrong move could cost you, and the entire match always makes me sweat trying to predict who is going to get a hit on who

[@jerrellh4173]

I like longer games as opposed to slower. For instance DBFZ is fast paced and big damage, but you’ve got 3 health bars to go through with regenerative health. It makes the game a chess match of reads, adaptation, and strategy which is the fun part for me. I also dislike supers where there’s a cutscene and a bunch of damage taken off. It takes away from the actual “combat” in my opinion.

[@GMP1isReal]

I don't mind supers because of how well it shows the spectacle of Dragon Ball while being a reference to something iconic, and the big damage of them are usually scaled, so it's not the end-all-be-all if you're hit by one (especially with the ways to regen that life). Another way to think about it is a moment to think (even if you're on the receiving end) in how fast pace the game is, and the cutscenes aren't really that long compared to optimal combos or how you play neutral.

[@jerrellh4173]

@@GMP1isReal that’s true actually I agree it does provide some pacing. I feel like the damage was done right in budokai for example, You had to really earn the damage in your super, and the cutscenes were interactive. It was more fun and more rewarding. How it is in dbfz def isn’t bad, mainly because you have to go through a 3-man team to win. More of a problem in single fighter games imo. Also I just hate the feel of some of them lol. Ss4 Gogeta lvl 1 and janemba’s slicy level 1, nappa’s lvl 1 for example, SSb Gogeta lvl 3 (lvl 5 is sick tho). Whereas I like all of hit’s supers. that might just be personal preference tho. I agree on spectacle and references, spirit Bomb, cell lvl 3, kid buu lvl 3, evil containment wave among others, They’re awesome every time.

[@totaldan99]

Eh the supers actually are one of the main reasons people get into games like fighterz because pulling off cool supers after combos helps give the player a sense of euphoria and satisfaction. Without em everything just feels mechanical

[@lordtraxroy]

to be honest i like short and fast games that last minutes with alot of cheesy moves if a game is to slow than it become really boring just look overwatch where you have Brigitte with to much shield and heal that end up in a stalemate

[@randomguy6415]

@@totaldan99 for me the fucking coolest type of supers are the supers that dont become a fucking cutscene but a super you can react in game and are done in game and very quick example:dio road roller in heritage from the future where dio jumps makes the super flash and demolishes you with gourgeous sound effects and quick animation making you feel extremely high after hitting it in a real match

[@zaingarba1543]

Bro you are hella underrated, I love your vids, you high key deserve more viewers, keep on the good work bro

[@typhoonbh]

I appreciate that, comments like these help

[@DoThingsYk]

this ties to how important balances "zoners" or "ranged characters" is. cuz they could really violate game speed all depending on some frame data but if they arent good enough then theyre just at the bottom of tier lists.

[@typhoonbh]

It’s a really delicate balance

[@forbiddenbox]

Ishowspeed is in every 2d fighting game, Ima leave a like.

[@kaleidoslug7777]

Very good video! That said, I have a slight correction: you mentioned (or implied?) how Strive, as opposed to SF5, wants you to move fast and gets there partly by making a lot of moves plus on block. To my knowledge the vast majority of moves in Strive are actually negative on block, while in SF5 the opposite is true, at least for normals

[@PKD145]

You are correct. Most moves in strive are minus on block. Most CS buttons are +1 and some moves are frame neutral but generally, a move is likely negative on block in strive (or on hit if you are pot...)

[@saxtonnova]

6:44 guilty gear does want you to play more aggressively but that's not because a lot of moves are plus: 1) the game has a much much different pace compared to Street Fighter 2) you can block in air as well that makes aproaching from air easier but there is also a universal anti air so you don't really want to jump constantly 3) the game literally punishes you if you play like a turtle(too much defense) you get meter penalty etc. also offense in this game is rewarded with positive bonus etc etc in conclusion: Just take the throw.

[@zmaster3982]

Your thumbnail is so freaking awesome.

[@typhoonbh]

I appreciate it

[@philosopherkingzant2037]

I've played Melee too much more than any other FG to really say which speed I prefer in fighting games in general Peach main whose best matchups are vs Fox, Falco, and Captain Falcon. I like slow movement with fast attacks, I guess

[@howisthis8849]

i main falco and peach, so both sides of the spectrum i guess

[@lordtraxroy]

i dont like the clunky input control in melee to be honest

[@philosopherkingzant2037]

@@lordtraxroy L canceling is such a bad mechanic. Most Melee players praise it because sKiLl. Melee is difficult to get used to and it takes a long while to get to the point where you can do what you want to do. At least Peach almost never needs to L cancel

[@lordtraxroy]

@@philosopherkingzant2037 unfortunately nintendo wasnt kind enough to automate things like l cancel or make landing lag lagless or any attack lagless to simplifide the controls and movement and make it viable recently there are so many platform fighters out there who have a canceling system around it for any attacks like rush down revolt or traditional fighting games like sf4 with its cancel attacks

[@philosopherkingzant2037]

@@lordtraxroy I think it's more of a matter of stupidity than kindness. Perfect choices are bad game design because the other options should never be chosen. I've never play a platform fight that isn't Smash. SF4 has a formula for it's cancel system. Once you know it, you can use it. Normals (stick direction + button) cancel into specials (stick motion + button(s)) cancel into supers (double stick motion + button). Even with L canceled, Melee is a much easier game to learn compare to regular fighting games. Every Smash character has the same controls but usually everyone in regular fighting games has their own command list. Every character in Melty Blood Type Lumina has the same commands, which helps make the game easier to learn but at the cost of making characters feel the same

[@lol1013]

I love general content about fighting games

[@typhoonbh]

It’s nice to compare them

[@nicknight1728]

Love the time station theme your playing in the background. Gives me memories of elementary school in 1999.

[@jinbo5867]

I think tekken is the most solid fighting game ever. You can choose to play safe by playing defensive or utilizing pokes, or you can choose to play aggressive with a rushdown.

[@williammller7590]

hey! My mans finally got a sponsor! Good job typhoon. As always, Keep going man!

[@dumbinc.7893]

This editing still top tier!!!!

[@typhoonbh]

Thank you!

[@LJ_973]

I prefer speedy characters way more, as I’m a Jiro main in brawl, but just all around I prefer speed. Also that surgeon simulator clip was funny since my friends where playing it and were desperately failing (good thing they don’t want to become surgeons).

[@matmil5]

Great video and editing! Guilty Gear is my favourite series so i am obviously biased, but strive is my favourite because of how satisfying the combos can feel, when you see that huge chunk of damage ripped from enemy and you utilize your meter properly. I understand it might get frustrating to some, but it's by design so i am definitely not in that camp

[@typhoonbh]

Strive is the first (and only) guilty gear game that I’ve played, after coming from other games it’s taking a bit of time to get used to but so far I’m enjoying it! The visuals and satisfying combos keep me coming back.

[@SqallLionheart]

@@typhoonbh Strive reworked the gatling system (from P-K-S-HS to a whole chart that I would link but KZbin does not like links) and shortened combo lenght from the other titles (which sparked the "good game bad, old game good" in the community, like it happened from acc+r to Xrd, which is now the golden child), but the damage is pretty much the same. GG as a series heavily focuses on offense and discourages excessive defence (Risk, roman cancel ecc.). Daisuke specifically envisioned it as a game where push and pull is the focus, albeit in strive you cannot convert out of anything unlike previous GGs. I.E. if jabs linked to kick, now jabs can only link into itself or a command normal.

[@typhoonbh]

@@SqallLionheart that makes sense, when I was thinking of every move leading into a combo, I was thinking about RC but of course that costs meter

[@SqallLionheart]

@@typhoonbh I mean, it's a correct way of looking at it. I personally didn't take it into consideration because you have to see if the investment is worth (will the jab into command into special into RC kill or I will waste 50 meter to do barebone damage?). I think that the jab changes in strive were made taking into consideration your pov and to avoid what happened in older games (jab counter into universal gatling into special into RC into combo extension). Especially because you gain meter walking toward your opponent (staple of GG), so meter gain and RC combos are a staple

[@Jabroni_14]

@@typhoonbh the older games have much lower damage despite still being high damage games. If you want guilty gear but with more interactions than you might prefer the older games. However a lot of those interactions will revolve around Okizemi and defense and not just neutral

[@countchocula1250]

That subscribe plug was actually clever without being obnoxious.

[@myazr]

edit is getting better and better. good job

[@Ohmargod]

Having a Home song in the intro is the right mood for a video like this.

[@typhoonbh]

HOME is one of the goats of KZbin background music

[@petarosnoveekonomije633]

Editing in beginning was perfect I loved it

[@riffz6065]

This channel and qmanchu are the closest thing to Core A gaming we got. Great content 💯

[@anidiotplayslivestream5206]

Pleasantly surprised to be even seeing Brawlhalla, just got back into it recently as a casual game. I guess I prefer mid-slow paced games - I like that time to adapt, think about what's going on a little. (Favorite fighting games are Ultra Street Fighter IV and King of Fighters XV)

[@forbiddenbox]

Huge aficionado of the editing

[@toadlyreal8921]

Loved the subscribe/ notification part in the start. It made me subscribe sub consciously lol. But overall great video!

[@swag66_]

thank you for the translation at 3:47 I wasn't sure who you meant by "bridget"

[@Rigbyz]

I have the exact same problem with ggst. I hate how high the damage output is but love every other aspect about the game.

[@Extension_cord11]

I clicked on this thinking it was Sugar Punch. Great video, loved every second

[@typhoonbh]

Sugar punch is a great fgc channel

[@WingedVictory]

Most strive moves are actually minus on block. They just cancel into each other for combos.

[@typhoonbh]

Ah okay, thanks for the clarification

[@kosmonaft]

Goldlewis Mains wondering what minus frames are

[@typhoonbh]

@@kosmonaft can confirm

[@PKD145]

@@kosmonaft I don't recall them wondering, they don't have any

[@chrishanma1460]

So we’re not gonna talk about that tod combo in fighterz

[@cleodddy]

I think taking speed and playing these games would be terrifying

[@barrysmith4610]

Whats the matter? Cant keep up?Just look at my Speedddd!!! (Vegito, Dragonball Fighterz)

[@Vizorfam]

Dude your content is so good!! Thanks for bringing us such amazing content

[@typhoonbh]

Thanks for watching!

[@Vizorfam]

@@typhoonbh i had a question don't you think that game of chess and fighting games are kind of similar only?

[@typhoonbh]

@@Vizorfam the are similar in some ways yes, the mental part of predicting what moves your opponent will make ahead of time is similar, but the pacing of both games are vastly different

[@Vizorfam]

@@typhoonbh ah yes that is! And you know what i have played many kinds of fighting games but I personally think I love tekken and street fighter , i mean there is something about these two games especially which makes them unique from others. Which is your most favourite fighting game?

[@typhoonbh]

@@Vizorfam right know it’s guilty gear strive because I love how unique the characters are and the art style is amazing too, but I’m really exited for street fighter 6 and will probably be switching to that when it comes out. Tekken is really fun to watch and I’m jealous of those who are really good at it

[@stemax44]

first of all, amazing video you did a great job ! Second, i'm a big casual so my pov is from someone who is considerate bad at fighting game For me i like both fast and slow fighting game i have a really hard time to do thing quickly so fast gameplay are most of the time not my cup of tea but in fighting game it's okay because if the game is too fast i can just play a heavy character who gonna "slow" a bit the match In the other hand the slow gameplay is really good but most of the time you need to calculate every move you do because if you get hit good luck Both have advantage and cons and i hope we never gonna have a time where all the fighting game are the same "speed" because that can do beautiful thing We need to not forget the viewer point too, Fast make you see a lot of cool move and fast action that are really cool to watch but slow make you see the mind game and precision of the top player

[@Micha-Hil]

7:37 sick TOD btw

[@typhoonbh]

It’s not mine but it is sick

[@NickenChugget]

i love your videos you got epic points and epic example to follow right after

[@typhoonbh]

Thank you!

[@gmwes]

slow games are the best, I love some good neutral

[@Luke-hd3jm]

Really well made video keep up the good work

[@Malacai087]

7:38 WHAT IS THAT COMBO I DEADASS THOUGHT HE FINISHED/DROPPED IT THREE TIMES DURING THE WHOLE SEQUENCE GAHDAMN

[@Twisted_Logic]

I like playing slow characters in fast fighting games if that makes sense

[@KingPN]

I'm in a weird spot I like fast paced anime games like DBFZ but since I mostly watch Street Fighter content I tend to play them like it's Street Fighter. So a mix between fast and slow and I'm still trying to find a balance.

[@typhoonbh]

I have a similar problem playing guilty gear. Sometimes I play too patient/defensive and get stuck in the corner because I’m not used to how fast the game is

[@KingPN]

@@typhoonbh What I tried doing was to play Gio to force myself to learn how to engage and disengage in neutral and changing the pace to my own and try and get the fundamentals down and then try apply it to DBFZ. It worked, kinda, but the guys I play against are way better than me and I don't have the time to play much to hammer it down because of finals.

[@typhoonbh]

@@KingPN I see, I guess it’s just something we’ll get used to eventually

[@Relics__]

Great vid as always

[@bagofchips6575]

Another typhoon w

[@seesemeseeds1217]

I don't play many fighting games(combos hard and I have other stuff to do) but I do like watching faster games because they are more eye catching

[@typhoonbh]

That’s why I like Tekken even though i don’t play it

[@shaghilathar3588]

@@typhoonbh Great video but you should really give it a try

[@naolos_]

5:25 in Brawlhalla there was a time when Dexterity was a broken statistic, allowing gauntlets, bow and I think also katars at their release to do insane combos. Game was also slow then. Changes towards Dexterity killed the stat completely in a way that no one played a character with high dexterity only when a character had overtuned weapon buff. At the moment BMG tries to add fixed and variable frames allowing dexterity to be more useful, also game doesn't get patched like before, because only thing to balance now are signature moves. Yet adding new weapons just makes the game horribly balanced (talking about scythe, greatsword, boots (they are outstanding weapons from the ones already existing))

[@jasomega2446]

0:06 True

[@novafireblaze]

goated video like always

[@Countdownsmiles]

I feel like my preference would swing towards fast, but my brother and i would always set the damage slider to lowest in marvel 3 or turn the rounds to win up to max in blazblue.

[@Readspiraloyster]

Personally I enjoy slower style fighting games only because I absolutely suck at them so in order for me to actually function in one of those games I need everything slowed down to my reaction speed since I can at least perceive what's going on I remember for a short while I had this one fighting game called Godzilla Omniverse and because the device I had it on was slow I could not only barely match the fighting speed of the game but I only ever had one enemy that I had trouble against At first I didn't even know the game was running slow just cuz there were giant monsters I just thought that that's how the game normally ran Boy it was a huge blow to my already non-existent fighting game ego to realize that I was basically on easy mode and was still struggling

[@Jjnq5]

seeing your guile is giving me war flashbacks

[@typhoonbh]

turtle for the win

[@drowsyspook3455]

5:58 obviously never played bbcf before

[@Areaninetyone]

I laughed and kept going when I saw a character from brawhalla in a video about fighting games.

[@phantomgamer4463]

I am for fast fighting games like the street fighter prequel "Ring Of Destruction Slam Masters 2" This might be the first or the only capcom game that movement speed matter alot for both defense and offense.

[@Crunjer]

Im a simple man, I see the brawlhalla yellow man I click the video

[@NRVNQSRR]

dude when talking about chipp, you should've used this ac+r version

[@PRjoseph123]

Bro is so underrated

[@provo.lonely_5985]

I like fast fighting games I’m a diamond brawlhalla player and when the game is fast I’m having lots of fun but there are players who will run away and play the punish game tilting me and making me get off I can only play for about 40 minutes before I’m tilted at the play style it’s even more prominent in ranked

[@kaoiken5030]

well i like Tekken because its all of that in one , and its good

[@TarnishedWretch7]

LOVE YOUR VIDS POST MORE

[@devoutmordexfollower5289]

apart from nai and lin fei ofc, i think i like that dex isnt that good in brawlhalla, i find that speed is almost better in fighting games than your actual damage output, so i appreciate having a way to adjust it without it being insane

[@charKT-7461]

Dex is only good if it gives you a true combo that’s untrue otherwise, like slight dlight on 5 or more dex on katars

[@dmercads958]

@@charKT-7461 that was changed, slight dlight on katars is always true

[@Ceade_]

I like faster fighting games in general but not high damage

[@christiankim6864]

Missed opportunity not putting a clip of gsmvoid making shit tier sheik looking god like

[@jasomega2446]

2:14 I see 4:21

[@javianbrown8627]

Nice video however please put the name of each game shown somewhere on the screen like the corner or something

[@Vinwastaken]

As a guilty gear player trying out the sf6 beta, they feel like they're worlds apart. Guilty gear is all about going absolutely berserk on your opponent from just the slightest mistake, as those will usually net you 70% of the enemy's bar if you know what you're doing. Street fighter 6 though, feels very much like a game of chess. Every move can be countered or played against with a bit of reading and thought, no matter the situation (I compare this to happy chaos from guilty gear, as I myself play hc). I am very hyped for sf6 release.

[@yrojafire8011]

Well, i play smash and main samus ( zoner) and the mist fun thi g for is fighting a rushdown and watching them lose their shit as i force them to slow down to be able to get to me

[@MarkelESP]

Nose pero Orion cristo 🛐🛐🛐

[@Trevurie]

BTW, what happened to game speed or turbo in 2d fighting games?

[@Yakuo]

Ty

[@QwertyQwerty-fr4yz]

Bro, just get popular already.

[@typhoonbh]

That’s the plan hopefully

[@Linkislinkoopsie]

you should check out Yomi Hustle

[@justmike8753]

Ishowspeed would definitely play chipp

[@Lil_Green.]

Another vid W

[@erickghoste]

Do anyobe knows the background songs from thus video?

[@thepear6684]

Nago is 6 times faster, safer and has 3 times the health…

[@shiroufan5401]

Chipp definitely wouldn’t be the best character in strive if he had more health

[@dragonslayerbh1199]

4:12 mako mako mako mako?!??!?!

[@typhoonbh]

real

[@Ian8476]

yeah i read those

[@jimmyrodriguez7660]

Do you play all the fighting games you mention in your vids? You know so many!

[@typhoonbh]

most of them, but not all

[@mehcro3622]

What dat music tho

[@thetaalchemy1357]

i like a mix of both i play melty blood and want to get into gg

[@JBasilix]

Yes there is something I very much disagree with but it doesn't really change anything. It's your reasoning why GG is more aggressive than SF. The frame data. You say look at how many plus moves there are in GG but have you seen the frame data for both games? I dare to say that SF has way more plus on block situations than GG. Instead it is the movement options that make GG more aggressive. You can get in without having to worry to get dunked on... Well not completely without worry but you get what I mean

[@Ramxenoc]

I definitely prefer whatever pace street fighter is on. Fighterz is fun but too many tod combos and too many busted dlc characters. Most of the players only play meta too and going against 3 goku characters or two and a broly is extremely unfun when its 9/10 games. More so fun with friends and people of your skill

[@themphantom9138]

Both, Both? Both is good.

[@Supersaxable]

Definitely prefer on the slower side. Street Fighter finds the right balance for me on the traditional side and Smash 4 had the right balance for me on the platform side. Ultimate is a tad too fast imo.

[@sonixbelit]

Nah nah nah, you gonna put chipp in a video and not consult me?

[@typhoonbh]

If I did there would be too much chipp propaganda in the video

[@sonixbelit]

@@typhoonbh Cap, he balanced

[@typhoonbh]

@@sonixbelit someone needs to tell him to smoke some weed and slow down

[@sonixbelit]

@@typhoonbh Nah bro, alpha blade goes CRAZY

[@sonixbelit]

@@typhoonbh you better be glad this isn't accent core

[@froggygills3140]

commenting for the algorithm

[@exournlol1463]

whats the game at 7:28

[@typhoonbh]

Grand blue versus

[@thelorax7698]

5:10 "from being a top tier character to one of the best" bruh what?

[@typhoonbh]

I meant bottom to top lol, messed up

[@LaggingRN420]

pov: brawlhalla man getting angry at youtuber for minor mistake

[@thelorax7698]

@@LaggingRN420 cries in hardstuck gold mordex main

[@yocarter9221]

Yo, you played Guilty Gear Xrd?

[@typhoonbh]

I have not

[@lucien_-4207]

Speed in brawlhalla is not always good. especially in the passive meta we're in rn. If I'd play too aggressive/fast I'd prolly get punished in 2 seconds. It can be useful for lower elos tho.

[@lordofthesticks0]

I always hated platform fighters (maybe brawlhalla in particular) i pumped 700h into that game and i hate it not because i'm bad at the game (i AM bad) but the game grinds my gears soooo bad. Sure, you did say that you can end a match in 30 seconds but that involves not just skill, but also risk. You need to guess your opponent correctly and since platform fighters have massive arenas you can move around in it's almost never a 50/50 like your standard 2D fighter high/low or strike/throw mixup. It's always a guessing game on the oppressor. The matches almost always go passive since there's no real incentive of just rushing them down. Miss a read and you'll get whiff punished. I picked up strive recently and i had a lot of fun. Sure you die in 0.5 seconds and 10 picoseconds with chipp but my god playing strive was an adrenaline shot i never thought i needed. You never get stuck in 30 second combos because the wall breaks. Sure there's the pressure blender from having literally everyone playing rushdown but still, at least it's completely interactive and whether or not you get yoinked is your fault for losing neutral and guessing wrong.

[@homurayurisquad1423]

I wouldnt say strive is a fast fg. Unless you are just counting fast as in high damage, that ends round fast. But then Dive kick would be the fastest game. it's extremely slow paced in terms of button speed, movement speed, etc. the delay before air dash is weird. in terms of fast like game ending fast. old sf2 games just clocked up their speed, and there were no proration back then, and you got dizzies, so combos did a rediculous amount of damage with few hits. kof games are more restrictive than air dashers, but often got a lot of (near)TOD combos, with no bursts or anything maab is the best example of a game that plays way faster than strive, but matches can take forever. high damage scaling, lots of neutral and blocking, timer freezing, etc. if you compare restrictiveness in maab, buttons and movement speed is a lot faster in maab, and you can block while air dashing forward. if you air blcok something, you reset air movements and can dash/jump again, theoretically for infinite. you also got big assists you can call before (air dashing). as far as character speed in a game's balance goes. slower attacks often have more active frames, which often make them better on neutral anyways, despite being slower.

[@doctorjcw5857]

I like fighting games where you can change the tempo. Devil May cry is the best example, and ninja gaiden. Tekken is my favorite pvp, but they ruined it in the 7th game, by fkn with side steps, and hitboxes, what morons

[@shaghilathar3588]

Dante for Tekken when?

[@briancompau1694]

Omg Meow by Ivusm

[@typhoonbh]

Goated song

[@SpaceBoy00778]

2:15