Typical Mistakes That Most 1500 Players Make! | AoE2 Coaching Session

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[@TUCan-in4be]

Hey! This is TUCaN! I remember this game. SPOILER: The most frustrating part was losing 3 Mangonels to "only" 4 Knights. I was very surprised by the knights, even though it was an obvious choice. After hitting imp and running out of Archers, I gave up on the game as there was no real hope for a comeback. At least I can sleep well now knowing I lost to someone coached by you :D gg wp anyway!

[@ПолОтто]

patrol / attack move your army, so you don't lose it randomly on the map when not watching

[@iaskakho5646]

@@ПолОтто let them fight look away at your economy

[@CodornaPrince]

I think your big mistake was diving too deep into his base, you could have destroyed the ranges with the mangos instead of going for the TC right away

[@Takerofthehill]

gg wp, looking forward to more gg's

[@andym87]

so did you write "g" by accident, then?

[@DudeThatFlips]

Good thing I'm lower than 1500 so I don't make these mistakes 😎

[@stapablo21]

11

[@stephencaudle1766]

Right. I never have to worry about not having my second Imp building. I've already been dead for 20 minutes at that point.

[@garsboite3461]

@@stephencaudle1766 ahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@faruksarihan]

Typical mistake nr.1: Not turning the annoying FOG effect off.

[@faruksarihan]

I'm not talking about the black one (Fog of War). Just go to Options > Graphics tab, under Render (right side) uncheck Enable Bloom, Animate Fog and Animate Fog Border. You'll easily see the difference.

[@onesixtyofficial]

@@faruksarihan Vignette, depht of field and readabillity panels off as well. The devs really made this game look like aids.

[@surg23]

I was wondering why it looked so bad. I could not tell which unit belonged to who most of the game. :S

[@EugeneOneguine]

You shouldn't put "fog" in caps, it looks like you're talking about the fog of war.

[@faruksarihan]

@@EugeneOneguine Good point, I'll consider putting "EFFECT" in caps next time.

[@CBHikingWA]

and I'm here dreaming of reaching 1500 one day

[@МихаилШтенцов]

"You can't kill in castle age consistantly" (angry celt's noise)

[@Takerofthehill]

Thanks again Hera for the coaching! Been working on improving, going to dial in a little more these next few weeks in 1v1 ranked. Fog? What fog you guys talking about? Also, idk why my cursor didnt show up. But glad you guys couldn't see it. 11 so many misclicks especially first game. You'd be surprised how nerves can get ya. /s for the fog part.

[@bunny_wilder]

I'll make sure to use these tips once I leave 800 elo 🤭

[@yakumo_kei]

Would it be better to scout the enemy first before deciding dropping the 3rd TC? I find myself sometimes get overrun by full castle aggression and should opt for producing more miltary and adding monk or seige.

[@niconilo97]

Yeah basically going for eco you need to do every thing in your power to buy time, make walls send army to distract, just make them lose time, you will be stronger eventually

[@exeonx6561]

I gotta say Hera, these coaching videos are awesome, you learn a ton more when it comes to making decisions and mistakes that we typically make but don't realise. On this one it's simply the trickling reinforcements when you are playing archers, which is less of a problem with mobile knights, but having reinforcements picked off, or not having an army at home can really lose you games.

[@onesixtyofficial]

Plz tell them immediately to pause and turn off the animated fog, vignette, depth of field and readability panels. These graphics are pure aids.

[@surg23]

Hera, you should make a coaching tool that reads the game in progress and plays your audio queues suggesting what to do next and how to react. You could also make it slightly comical like "But what's the TC doin?" when you idle it and "we're not taking those" when something bad happens. :)

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

Ah yes 1500. The ELO I am stuck at and not 900.

[@schnitzelhd3844]

it seems like we all are

[@joshuastanaland7099]

I play on Xbox and I started dominating with Khmer online with 15-16min castle age and immediately sending 3-6 elephants with the speed upgrade and skipping barracks. The fastest elephants in the game with the team bonus. Extremely powerful for low elo.

[@legs_11.82]

nice game alt+f4, the snipe on the mangos with knights then later on sniping his mango with your xbows was a sick play.

[@thewildriftofgandd5740]

The top of this thread is a bunch of bots trying to get you to buy crypto bc in crashing like a lead brick lol

[@joaopedromoura4640]

Omg, that was AMAZING video, really liked the commentary and choices make there! Thank you for this content 😁

[@thedoncjg6263]

I just started playing on Xbox a few days - love the game and videos like this are sooo interesting. Learnt a lot already

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Ma man! Welcome to the community

[@tommymandi889]

He played really good after reaching castle age. That clear up in his base was amazing

[@Deeem2031]

After watching this I had to try full archers. Once I hit castle I remembered I always play Spanish...

[@NowhereMan7]

How come his mouse cursor is invisible?

[@tomtenthij5676]

Cool voice You have! 😄😄

[@fahim-ev8qq]

How long realistically does it take to get to 1500 Elo for a brand new player ?

[@TheRomanAoE]

Took me about a year but I haven't gone past 1600 since

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Took me around 3 months when i first started

[@Tekkenhornan]

Depends completly how you're playing the game. Are you just having fun doing whatever or warching every replay and trying to improve next game? Also good to watch pro-players to get tips on build orders, tricks, and how to counter different different situations optimaly.

[@fahim-ev8qq]

@@Tekkenhornan trying to improve

[@pedrocarvalho7480]

Took me 3 years 11

[@MrSwordstroker]

Woooah I couldn't play with my game looking like that

[@markvdb2857]

First time I see a coaching video, very well, I like your coaching style!

[@tag180rotax]

25:46 I said that to an opp a few weeks ago, "this has been one of THE games of all time 11"

[@Addictivemeh]

It's a small thing but one thing I love about this game is how every player has their own way of setting up their control groups in a way that feels comfortable to them. For me Ctrl group 1 is always my starting 6 vils, 2 is my scout, and then I'll add some sheep to groups as I find them while I'm scouting. After that, production buildings are usually 3/4/5, 1 and 2 change to my main army. When my friend told me that his scout goes on group 1 it just felt so wrong, and the guy getting coached has his blacksmith ctrl grouped which I don't think I've seen before - I just use the hotkey

[@TheRomanAoE]

Dude I have the exact same control group preference as you

[@steinanderson9849]

I usually start buildings groups at 0 and military units at 1 :D

[@Tekkenhornan]

@@TheRomanAoE get a room you two! 11

[@alex37k]

Anybody else notice this guy has a huge screen?

[@ryzae6202]

This is like 950-1000elo where I live

[@mikaelgross4347]

How is this 1500 ELO?

[@avnishojha4744]

How can i take your session, may I know the full procedure?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Yes, you simply join my discord (link in description of the video) and all the information is there

[@avnishojha4744]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 thanks

[@R-Y]

the colors are the same...

[@blainewalton1210]

Each video you've been posting has vastly improved my game play Hera.

[@maximilianmusterhans4659]

The biggest mistake was leaving this ugly fog option on. It looks like you are sitting in a tiny room with a bunge of stoners.

[@philliparnold6762]

I feel like I play like this, but I'm 850. Now why is that? lol

[@bernalseba]

Hera keep uploading coach session videos, this are great and really useful!

[@Koenbot]

"Your name is literally takerofthehill bro!" 😏

[@tomtenthij5676]

That look away tip was really Genius!!

[@RinaldiMeteoric]

We need a playlist of "coaching"

[@XEN0-M0RPH]

Hera babyyyyyyy! Loving it lad! Ooo yeah!

[@ncrncr6574]

Ok 3 tc in castle age, Then, whatever

[@user-gr7rr6zv6z]

How did he afford feudal age when he didn’t even have 500 food ? Doesn’t make sense

[@Tekkenhornan]

He had 503 food.

[@epix4300]

Love the content

[@RudoRoncaglia33]

Are you in Argentina? You are drinking Villavicencio water

[@IAmBael]

He lives in Argentina now

[@joshuajethro]

I’m pretty sure he knows what brand of water he’s drinking lol

[@monnkyo]

TUCÁN

[@fo0l913]

Im confused. Kudos to that guy for getting some coaching and playing to get better, but… there is no way he’s 1500 elo? Like… there is simply no way. Ladder is quite competitive these days. Youd be hard pressed to find an 1150 elo with idle TC time in dark age. No offense to this guy Im sure he’ll get better quickly but video title has to be a mistake, no??

[@Josepmc84]

I'm a low 12xx and me and my foes have consistently arround 1min idle TC time at 15'. I use CA to keep track of this and it's revealing how diferent is the autoperception to reality.

[@tibomcd461]

you don't win or loose games because of 45seconds idle time, 1100 or 1500 elo alike. This guy is definitely 1500. It's much easier to see the mistakes when you are spectating and not playing.

[@IAmBael]

No, it's 1500. There are always mistakes. Some players have them in dark age, some with their production, others with transitions. It all balances out.

[@surg23]

I was actually thinking the opposite lol. His micro and macro are very good. Also factor in that he needs to reciprocate with Hera in real time while playing.

[@AI-fw8gz]

It's actually because of nerves most likely.

[@oldfaun5402]

I cannot believe this is 1500…

[@ItsGentleChris]

First

[@greatstag]

eww god, how is this guy 1500 and im still 1100

[@nicolasbui]

11 if he's making obvious mistakes to you, you should do even bigger mistakes man. Watch your replays, correct your mistakes and gain +400 ELO!

[@abdalucchash5717]

Can you kindly make a channel for coaching only. Being a 1600-1700 I wanna know more about the typical mistakes. Having a coaching only channel makes it easier to find

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

no i cant do that its not really viable. Once a week on this channel or come to twitch streams every tuesday for live coaching!

[@adamjames7721]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 What about a playlist? Just so that we can see them all in the one place?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

@@adamjames7721 that i can do ill soeak with my editor

[@fazeraoe9582]

I like hera and these vids are educational but let's be real, this coaching is poor value. I've noticed in all these vids that the amount of corrections he makes are the bare minimum. Why let him do those mega walls? Why let him bank 500 wood in feudal and 800 wood in early castle age? Why watch and let him make wrong tc spots instead of saying no, delete and build on the outside of the woodline. Why not correct his stable decision since mangonels would be the much safer choice (double counter) and give offensive options? At 31.30 min gametime, even though the enemy had mangonels out doesnt tell him not to watch his eco for 30+ seconds while moving his ranged army through the middle of the map...Sorry but if you pay 150$ for this you are facking stupid. Well this was already obvious if you play with these gfx. Some people may not agree with very hands on coaching styles like F!re does, but this is too passive for the amount asked. Imagine how many sessions you would need to make a significant change 1111 Hera ballin though and I love how hes farming these players.

[@IAmBael]

There are different teaching styles. Hera is letting the players play as they would, let them think and make mistakes, and then correct the bigger things, especially afterwards. He's making sure the broader brush strokes are good, rather than picking on a million smaller details. Besides, you typically coach to get a player over the next milestone, not to make them 2k+ in one session.

[@fazeraoe9582]

@@IAmBael Yeah I mentioned F!re as the other extreme, maybe he is a bit too hands on but I would prefer that way more because he pushes the players and it will give the session much more potential and replay value. The things I mention aren't small at all, they are huge game deciding mistakes which are just allowed to happen. I agree it's bad to mention every detail, but I'm not saying that. If those mistakes were corrected they could have actually focussed on playing a macro game, taking the map, relics, discussing ideal late-game comp etc.

[@IAmBael]

@@fazeraoe9582 I haven't watched a full coaching session, but this sounds like it was maybe the 2nd game, so I think it's fair to assume Hera was letting the guy play as he would and make mental notes of what he does wrong and then be more hands on with those mistakes in the next game(s). I've seen him write down a list of things for the player to work on before. I would also prefer a bit more hands on but I'm not sure how indicative one video here or there is of the whole session. 🙂

[@Whomovedmycheese286]

How is this guy 1500, I am 1200 and my dark age is flawless!

[@kritic4622]

same. my problem is I fuck up feudal and the later ages

[@antoninreboulet9285]

He probably was flustered because of being on voice with Hera. Also sometimes you think your dark age is perfect, but it might not be. I know I watched some of my recs and was surprised by how bad it was 11

[@Whomovedmycheese286]

@@antoninreboulet9285 Dude both of his boar lors were outside of tc. He garrisoned 7 villagers for dear kill OUTSIDE of TC.

[@LbK314]

Imho, flawless dark age is overrated. I am too 1.2k and I had games where I lost a villager in Dark age, killed a boar, been lamed, you name it, and was still able to beat 1.2k players. And the opposite is true: I lost games where I was perfect in Dark Age and my opponent had the said troubles. A 1k player can do as perfect Dark age as a 2k player. Where we suck is in all other stages of the games.

[@fahim-ev8qq]

@@LbK314 how long did it take you to get to 1.2k?