TYRANIDS Tier List

[@demoneyesrakka]

The wait for a new codex is the cruelest punishment. Watching the Dark Angels vs Nids on Miniwargaming really goes to show we need some love.

[@clearegorgon7297]

Yeah I think there going to do asartes at first seeing how that's where there money is at the moment there probably doing most popular so I do think eldar will get it before tyranids but heres hoping

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

There's def codex discrepancy but it's really not all that bad.

[@clearegorgon7297]

@@MagikarpUsedFlylol true it honestly depends on the lists and opponent but that's normally the case anyway

[@lucascadman7116]

@@MagikarpUsedFlylol You don't play Tau , laughs in 2500 points of tau. Honestly though I compare my sisters codex and tau one and Jesus Christ it makes me sad for tau now but hopeful for future tau.

[@nofuxgivens2797]

Besides the fw heirodule there all F tier right now

[@AuroraDawnOff]

Which tier lists are upcoming? Fingers crossed for a Necrons tier list

[@joshranger8541]

Necrons are likely a while out since they were just finishing the army at the end of the tournament so they’re likely going to try and learn more about the army

[@stardragonnova5046]

I want to see Dameki talk about Tau.

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

Upcoming ones are space wolves, tau and death guard afaik and after that probably necrons

[@akikankaanpaa7710]

@@MagikarpUsedFlylol any chance for AdMech?

[@bumchod2511]

Necrons are kind of tough for a tier list. Sure you got Scarabs and warriors up there, but then they have a very large roster of units that fit very specific roles, which mean they can play better than the sum of the parts

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

Custodies tier list will be like ten minutes long

[@thegentleduck4277]

You overestimate the amount of different units at the custodes disposal. 7 minutes tops.

[@filwilliamson9149]

@@thegentleduck4277 What if we include Sisters of Silence? 7 and a half minutes?

[@khorneflakes4446]

Harlequins takes like 7 minutes

[@usxldcom7543]

If forge world is included it might be 12 minutes

[@thepopulargirl1784]

I think you mean one minute, as the video will start, the host will look at the camera, then they will declare that every custodies unit is S tier, then the video will end.

[@marshallclifton1329]

Matt, as a Magikarp fan, I've been wondering what it would take for me to fully understand and get invested in the more complex parts of your Warhammer world. The answer.... Tier lists. It was always tier lists. EDIT: Yeahhhh y’all know tier lists are like crack

[@bojansarkanjac983]

Well, I'm only just discovering w40k and it took me almost five hour to read the downloadable codex and understand it. Also based on the prices on official site it would probably take you about 300 - 500 dollars altogether, that means units, paint, mats, books and landscape. But take what I said with a grain of salt, I've only recently started looking into it and have not even played a game yet. Edit: I typed this out on instinct and have only later considered that you may not hVe looked for an answer. Sorry

[@ChubbyChoncc]

@@bojansarkanjac983 Not gonna lie I'm in the same situation. The game seems nice, the units are cool, the lore is very interesting but the ridiculous price is what held me back from playing the game. Idk about you guys but a unit already cost me 1 day eating.

[@bojansarkanjac983]

@@ChubbyChoncc I agree. That's why I told myself I will try to follow at a slow pace for now and make a decision then. No point in wasting money if I'm not going to play it, even though just painting the figurines sounds like a blast. I love necrons, though so I know my starting army.

[@Extrakwispy]

@@bojansarkanjac983 it is a great game, heaps of fun with a group of friends going into it at the same time as you, if the price is too steep for you you can always buy second hand, it's how I got most of my armies, a bit of methaled spirits or simply green can be used to remove paint and if you still think it's too expensive, table top sim has a big playerbase for 40k and kill team

[@SunShinyReys]

I interact cause the youtube algorithm likes when I do that. Also watching from start to end.

[@evinoge5834]

All hail the KZbin Omnissiah

[@makehappyfaces2542]

I am also interacting to boost the algorithm.

[@agentafter206]

Hey is this Bricky in disguise because the guys said they would turn him into their "Sandshrew"

[@SunShinyReys]

@@agentafter206 No... Nope. Totally not me, I mean totally not Brick-man. Good guess I think.

[@iskryy]

I like boosting the algorithms too lol

[@nekuchan900]

"they're garbage, actually, they're great, actually no they're garbage" LOL I don't know the first thing about warhammer but this videos are entertaining

[@cooperwoods6305]

Regular fexes are underrated. If you use prey sight as one of your two blood of ball hive fleet adaptations they get +1 to hit on charge. OOE gives them another +1. Also if you give them 2x massive scything talons with tusks and bone mace they get 6 attacks +1 for bone mace.

[@MisterHavoc]

That used to be called the "Shovel-Tusker" Carnifex, and you're right, for a battering-ram approach/OOE bodyguard, they're pretty good. Getting them up the board is the problem though.

[@Artey0m]

From one of my favorite League youtubers to being part of by far my favorite warhammer youtube group. All the content fuckin KILLS it with information and personality. So glad I followed this venture yall made!

[@ThatOneMan830]

> Find new channel thanks to algorithm > Scatman meme in the first 10 seconds I like this channel already

[@AcornPlays]

Picked Tyranids as my first army before I even watched your channel, excited to see that we feel the same about them Magikarp sir

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

Big bugs go brrr

[@abel4lt523]

@@MagikarpUsedFlylol BIG BUGS GO BRRR

[@trumediamix1]

I’m hoping to make my own tabletop game one day. I like watching your tier lists to help get a good understanding of what makes a unit good/bad. I really enjoy Tabletop games - let alone Warhammer 40,000, and I hope I get to create a community as awesome as their’s one day.

[@theinkqueen6522]

Games of the same genre can be very different in what similar mechanics are god sends or garbage. For example, in Pokemon it's totally viable to have cards that require a coin flip, some of the best cards have coin flip effects. On the other hand, coin flip effects are the absolute worse effects you can get in Yugioh because in Yugioh there's a good and bad effect, plus Yugioh players want consistency and certainty in what their cards do. Ultimately a good or bad unit in your game will be based on other options for units and the rules of the game.

[@bboyisbad]

Hey DiceCheck. Would love to see a video of all your guys armies and painting schemes! Think it will be awesome to have a nice close look at your models and maybe the reasons why you picked each model for your army! :) Love the content!

[@vulcanxd1415]

I’m just curious, why did you show another hive tyrant in place of the Swarmlord when you mentioned the favorites?

[@congapurple8382]

it might be because you can build them both from the same kit.

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

They look very similar expect the hive tyrant can take range weapons

[@fatcatlocatedinahat962]

Almost all of the rryanid large or medium monsters need a buff

[@SGKestrel]

Pretty much everything needs a buff in the Nid codex, with the exception of Hive Guards, Exocrine and Zoanthropes. Hopefully the new codex will adress alot of issues and improvements to them when it drops.

[@Tzeeensh]

The meta is definitely not vehicle/monsters heavy anyway.

[@thomasmacchia6487]

I need you guys to succeed, it helps get my league friends into 40k

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

I think it's great he's moved to warhammer 40k because I can see them having more fun than just churning out samey videos on league.

[@demiliomason1565]

I reccomend showing them some midwinter minis or play on tabletop. Much more new user friendly and entertaining.

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

Dice check has humor so they offer a more laid back approach

[@epicmaikeru4286]

Same, I want to help my friends to get into the 40k universe sadly we barely have any money to do so. Right now I just annoy them with warhammer lore stuff. Hoping for a rts warhammer 40k game in the future : ^)

[@jakubgodlewski9104]

Matt ranks Tyranids! feat. Matt Love the content as always! I heard you're gonna start doing that anyway, but I will say it just to show support for the idea: edited battle reports! 60-120min of pure bliss! Please!

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

Working on them!

[@ageneralsenseofconfusionan1268]

This tier list had big "Everything was great, then the new edition attacked." Vibes.

[@oaklen2403]

I know Matt low plays his energy and effort of his videos but I know he is putting alot of effort into these videos. That makes me happy, I can see the effort and love he is putting into these warhammer clips and trying to expand his channel. Keep up the great videos man, you and the crew should be proud.

[@GiarcMcDerp]

Nostalgia hittin me hard with that background music 😁

[@alwo9297]

Very helpful and appreciate you updated the data. The charts were great particularly since I am not familiar with names yet. Well done.

[@thensnes7544]

I find it so amazing how people stay loyal to their favorite faction regardless of the meta

[@project_pedro8778]

This is game is 1st and foremost about playing with the toys you think are cool and creating stories. The competitive scene is nice, but honestly "tacked on"

[@JohnnyLeyenda]

I guess the fact that switching to another one would take hundreds of dollars helps, too

[@SilverWarrior95]

What would be the point of playing a game like this, if you don't like what you're playing?

[@dr_birb]

Switching costs few thousand $ for models, also getting necessary books and paints, and then taking few weeks-months to paint the whole army.

[@connor_sure_3984]

Now you just need to do a battle report with the worst units of your armys

[@ShadowDemiVeemon]

Man this channel and brickys' really what got me started looking forward to the necron and ravengaurd one since those are my first armies

[@AHRavnsborg]

Tyranids are dope and I have a bunch from playing Kill Team. I would like a follow up video that goes into greater detail describing "how to play tyranids", like what are you tactics, how do you use certain units, how do you create a decent list, adaptive physiology explained and stuff. great video.

[@luke-zawadzki]

I started playing nids because of you Matt... Magicarp. Keep the content going!

[@nicholaswilkins2143]

This is the army I choose and I started collecting models about 3 months ago and these videos are helping me learn what is good and bad and how to play.

[@andrekerlin7731]

love hearing your take on tyranids, Super happy some units are getting some love!

[@pedromangoman9320]

"gaming" "minecraft" "lifehacks" keywords for the algorithm

[@BurnettGaming]

Great list! Had some units rated highly that I hadn't considered that I'm glad I took another look at

[@pohja4552]

Lmao I love how different in tone Bricky and Matt are.

[@warhammer_girlfriend]

Love the content. Production quality is amazing. Can't wait for the battle reports.

[@MellonVegan]

10:24 "unyielding shittin'" sounds painful.

[@thehectagon2682]

Old One Eye was a super fun model in 8th. Hive fleet trait giving +1 to hit on the turn of a charge, +1 to hit as hes a Carnifex, +1 to hit on the turn of a charge from his own abilities. You can hit on 2s, re-roll 1s with scything talons and have a 3+ Dakka Dakka Dakka

[@brandon6682]

*Puts Old one Eye in C-tier* me: war has been declared! *Puts back into B-tier* me: Wiser minds prevail.

[@nicbuzas7783]

the fact that tytant guard dont have a 2++ save is a crime, the lore even says they removed their EYES to make them harder to wound.

[@SGKestrel]

They should atleast have 4++, and a 5+++ if the wound is a result of the "Shieldwall"-ability. They are being egged on by a Hive Tyrant to do fulfill their purpose for crying out loud. That melta round that turned their face to mush is naught but a scratch in the name of the Great Devourer!

[@robarnold8248]

Awesome video! do yuou have a nids list that you would take to a tourney? curious what you play

[@matteblack5805]

Please do a tier video for tau and a tier video for necrons

[@CanOpenerRulz]

Will you be making an updated tier list with the Crusher stampede rules in effect?

[@shade154]

Watched start to finish, now commenting to act as the Algorithm's blood sacrifice to the tyranid Hivemind. I'm just getting into 40K, so these videos are pretty interestin to watch with a pair of fresh eyes and ears on the scene.

[@matthewgreening1301]

Judging by the intro I'd say i hit a gold mine

[@tysmi04]

I sat here throughout the entire thing despite never playing tabletop regularly. Good shit.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Missed opportunity for a Revolver Ocelot edit at 24:18.

[@fatcatlocatedinahat962]

Could you do one for necrons?

[@panagiotiskeladitis3701]

yeah imagine watching this guy in league videos some years back,starting new hobbies and watching about tyranids and having vietnam flashbacks about his face and how much i love him.......i paused for a good 5 min to make sure you are you and then i unpaused the video and you said i am magikarpusedfly and i died,hi love you

[@masterchief-bm6tu]

Well, This confirms that my hive fleet:space marine list is good. 3x5 warriors, 3x5 hive guard 3x exocrines, neurothrope and swarmlord. Thanks matt!

[@MultiScorpio57]

Great List, but I really hope 9th edition is when Tyranids finally get some new models, or at least buff some of the ones that are pretty much useless.

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

Buff the haruspex pls

[@douglasalsbury7136]

Hey man was creating a army and looking up stuff for tyranids and realized you’re the magikarp used fly dude. Awesome nice to see you have class using tyranids:) and lictors are great, but people know they’re great. So when I’m playing my nuns with guns against tyranids these units are always on my early kill list also what do you think of the parasite of mortex

[@SaltySeadogKP14]

Love the content, keep up the great 40k stuff.

[@HugoMichelLeonley]

The cut of Matt’s face spooked me but adds to his dead pan humor

[@HugoMichelLeonley]

As it came out of nowhere NOT that his is ugly.

[@e.t.b1455]

I love the edits in this video!

[@pol1756]

I just want to add to the Termagants equipped with Devourers (aka devilgants) will net you 90 shots for a full 30 model squad. 180 of you use the shoot twice strat.

[@ianinak]

I'm considering getting into Tyranids but I don't want to play (or paint) a swarm army. Any chance you could do an updated tier list specifically for Crusher Stampede and a good starting out list or two for a new player in doing so? What models would you recommend buying first?

[@russellellis650]

Great content from a great channel!

[@iBRANCHPro]

I love this setup. Please keepm coming. Recover well.

[@Hollow_He]

I've only played Tyranids a little, the Carnifex goes straight to A tier for me. Give it Adrenalin Glands, Toxin Sacs, Spore Cysts, Tusks, Bone Mace and Two of Monstrous Scything Talons. BAM. Now place six of them on the field with a Scythed Hierodule and you've got yourself an unstoppable tide. I love Carifex so much. Slightly terrified of the new codex, if they get a price hike it'll be brutal. I also hope Old One Eye gets a buff, in the same league as Mortarian, C'tan, Roboute, Ghazghkull etc.

[@shadowslicer9613]

Please do this for Tau! We're suffering over here!

[@panKowalski597]

Isn't that faction bad overall? I kinda feel bad for T'au, although I'd love some new tyranid models

[@shadowslicer9613]

@@panKowalski597 Tau is VERY, VERY, bad in this current edition. The only way to make them work is dumping a fuckton of CP into detachments for commander spam. This isn't fun for anyone who's playing it, and any other viable strategy was fased out with 9ths focus on objective play.

[@jonnymaddy]

Could just shove everything in D tier would be easier 😂

[@flaviofortunati4390]

Will you do a T’au tier list?

[@cthulhuwolfe]

Haven't been able to afford models for a long while but Tyranids have always just been my favorite by a longshot

[@cameronanderson2362]

is there a resource that kinda lists out what hivefleet bonuses are the most advantageous for each model?

[@pablobro5944]

You are truly Matthew

[@kaijupredator4063]

I don't have anything from 9th edition yet but it was my understanding from other videos that Ripper Swarms were incapable of claiming objectives?

[@smokapopierdolio1157]

Maybe we'll see craftworlds tier list. Can't wait to see most of them in B C D

[@jacobmotts5752]

I never comment on youtube videos, but I HAVE to stand up for Carnifexes. Theyre a staple in my Jormungandr army where I run 5-6 of them for anti-infantry and anti-vehicle. Run them with spores cysts, double devourers and heavy venom cannons. Spreads out your heavy damage so theres not one single target for your opponent. Ive shot knights off the table with them, and I love the look thematically. Great video though.

[@yoshiyoshi9496]

Im gonna try to support dis series that way mayhaps we get to Ornks or Mechandus Adepticus

[@B1ngusD1ngus]

Turns out a lot of things change in a year. Tyranids are among the best right now.

[@eallaterza]

I love this video for all purposes, but my favourite part will be that "Scatman World" meme at the beginning.

[@seanv42]

Good content man. Plus going back with the faq to redo bits was fantastic. Have you seen Spiffing Brits video on community polls? Feel better and stay safe guys. "Warhammer" "tyranids" " 40k" " miniatures" "teir lists" " minecraft"

[@briancline7349]

@ 3:00 Yoshi’s Island? Lol funny contrast in creatures compared with Tyranids

[@maph12]

I would like it if you also did tier lists for the different sub factions (chapters, clans, regiments etc), as well as the Stratagems.

[@ja785y]

I clicked this video randomly and thought wow this guy looks like matt before you finished intro Cool to see you in this hobby too 🤣🤣

[@Varxskids]

What do you think of the possibility of the new Nid boi from the latest Rumor Engine? Or if it even is a nid?

[@khorneflakes4446]

I kitbashed a Tyranid prime from a prime torso and a ravener tail with flesh hooks protruding from his back. It eases the pain of bringing him.

[@ctdaniels7049]

21:18 Mucolid Spore looks like me after I step on water while wearing socks

[@mattrondeau2]

The Swarmlord has to be one of the most fun HQ's I've played in a while. His utility is great and he can do really good damage even unsupported. Also one of the most improved units from previous editions. The old Swarmlord was just depressing

[@mattrondeau2]

Also Genestealers being your gateway drug into Tyranids is kinda lore friendly

[@alvarooverlay5405]

1 minute in and i can say already the editing is 8/8

[@CaptainBravo_o]

Op is so amazing

[@hypnoticorange5586]

As some on who has played Tyranids since they were a kid and is now 22 years old, I still have no idea how to play Tyranids. I do also have Salamanders which I do understand, and am even happier with them as flamers and melta weapons became more viable. I am heavily considering properly doing Genestealer Cults now, I like their ambush sneaky playstyle, plus they can make some nutty units like with the right setup you can have WS 2+, S 6, A5 Genestealers.

[@tayloralexander5088]

Would this list be in the ball park for target priority then? :P

[@sinisterrain2079]

Haven't played in ages, thinking of coming back. Most likely last time I played it was 4th, so I expect things to have changed. That list really makes me want to come back with Tyranids. Carnies seems to rank super low, not efficient? Too squishy? Not specialised enough? Last time I wanted to come back I saw their dakka brainleech thingy were quite good.

[@MagikarpUsedFlylol]

They're just not resilient enough to be a factor at all and their points cost is high for what they offer, sadly. I have 4 of them just sitting around collecting dust.

[@undertow92182]

I think the main reason that Scythed Hierodules rate lower on most people's lists is because it is in direct competition with the Dimachaeron. They are both attempting to fill the same role but the Dima does it better in basically every way. I've seen people that prefer the Barbed Hierodule over the Scythed make the compelling argument that it is a mobile weapon platform. Yes, an Exorcine is comparable in damage output IF stationary. The BH is more mobile with a base 8" move (only dropping lower than Exocrine at 4 or less wounds), has a higher Ld so less of a risk to letting it roam, has 12" larger range, can always fire both weapons, and by default has a better to hit, higher wounds, and is very strong in melee so it can't just be DS charged to deal with it. Give him a Winged Hive Tyrant buddy with Catalyst and Symbiostorm or a Maleceptor if you want Encephalic Diffusion and you can see why it is has been showing up in more tournament lists. In best case scenario it is roughly the same damage as an Exocrine. In worst case scenario it is far more flexible and can fill multiple roles as needed.

[@henrycalvert1035]

Loving the content atm guys keep it up

[@IrfanNF]

oh matt!! i hope you guys on DiceCheck are recovering fine. COVID sucks

[@MrNicster]

Tyranids. You have my undevided attention and subscription. Also I woul dlove to see a deep dive for your key decisions of this list, tactical application and different tier list build ideas (f.ex.1000p - 2000P, Crusader rules) Just spurting ideas :)

[@crazymanmot]

Genestealers are S+ tier in my heart, 15 points for a body to be cleared by 2 bolter shots is just way too expensive.

[@jessesteijn9908]

So I had a question about the Swarmlord, maybe some people here can help me out. Say i want to use the hive commander ability, and move during the shooting phase, can i still shoot with the same unit that i just moved with?

[@DiceCheck]

hive commander specifically states that the model can move instead of shooting. If it already shot, it cannot be selected for Hive Commander. If you use Hive Commander before it shoots it cannot shoot in your shooting phase.

[@Donnyjohnsonbooks]

Definitely need to do one of these per army.

[@bananaduck5052]

Hey I'm just getting into this so what do you guys think would be a good starting faction?

[@joshranger8541]

Are the tier lists ranked for the army in a vacuum or could an S unit from one army be equal to an S unit from any other army?

[@matthewlugo2417]

Iknow hierophants arent good to use but i want to paint it, where can i get it? I checked ebay and no luck

[@HexQuesTT]

I used this to help edit my 1st Nids list, most of the time I'm sat here like 'I like your funny words magic man' but I'm taking the advice on most of the points, didn't realise Carnifex suck now, which is a shame cause they look rly cool and I think they were decent when I 1st tried to get into wh back in like, 2012?

[@matthewlugo2417]

Are u magicarp? If you are i loved your nier automata video and wanted your opinion what if painted my tyranids shade like or just colored Or yorha colors 🤔, some help would he appreciated cause im honestly thinking monster hunter colors but im unsure

[@romusa10]

Finaly tyranids tier list!! Wait,wtf is a tyranids, youtube algorithm,you confused me yet again...

[@Gasket64]

I'd like to see a video going over the different hive fleets, stratagems, adaptations and so on. The parts of the tyranid army that aren't the units themselves.

[@Gasket64]

Although with the new codex creeping around the corner I can see why you wouldn't make that

[@fernandotrevinocastro1018]

Wheres the love for the TRIPLE BARBED HIERODULE LIST!!! thats uncalled for mat

[@naraic2330]

Please do a chaos tier list and strats that are worth running, I’ve stated a new CSM and chaos army but actually have no clue what’s good lol

[@sternguard77]

What kind of Chaos? There’s a few different ways you can go based on faction. If you like melee I’ve found world eaters are great, as they get ob sec berserkers. If you lean more shooting, Alpha Legion have a good trait and some solid stratagems. Some just solid in general units I’ve found to be: Terminators, Khorne Berserkers, Lord Discordants, Helbrutes, Obliterators, and Chaos Spawn (as cheap objective fodder) With some others like Raptors, Noise Marines, Havocs or Daemon Engines being solid picks if you’ve got the right Legion.

[@lolPoroa]

do I play warhammer? no. will buy an army? maybe not. do I like warhammer? yes. do I enjoy matt's vids? yes.

[@jaredbowman7764]

I would like a T'au tier next please. I am loving these videos.

[@treymiller518]

when necron tyr (i'm not sorry) list?

[@AAw3s0m3]

Yo can we get an updated one now that 9th ed is out please?

[@Shaso1000]

I love you matt and dice check.