Audi RS4 Quattro VS BMW M3 X-Drive - The Ultimate Test on Snow and Ice! ❄️

[@tyrereviews]

PLEASE GO review your tires at www.tyrereviews.com 🥰

[@stu24pot]

I'm sure you can lock the auto into manual when you flick the lever to the left and it won't change up... if the box is in auto and you flick the paddles it will temporarily put you into the fake manual mode your mentioning. Just had to test this in my RS5 😅 lol

[@tyrereviews]

@@stu24pot Someone commented on this car you "put the Audi in Dynamic, gearbox in sport and THEN in manual... Only then you will hit the rev limiter and it wont shift for you!!" which matches the VW implementation (S first then manual), I know for next time :)

[@stu24pot]

@@tyrereviews Yeah I thought that... Back to your review though, the Audi RS4/5 are great everyday cars but there is something missing and it definitely can't touch Bmw power and driving dynamics... if it wasn't for the suspension, I would of kept my g80 m3... Anyway, great review as always... Looking forward to you doing an EV tyre comparison test

[@alastairtreymaine1964]

😢​@@stu24potI got to agree. I'm a huge Audi nut, both a rs6 and a 3.0 diesel but BMW are absolute outclassing Audi now in terms of looks, power, handling etc. That M3 looks leagues better than the rs4

[@stu24pot]

@@alastairtreymaine1964 absolutely 💯 I had the G80 m3 xdrive for a month but my wife said it has to go because the ride was too harsh so I went for the RS5 which was good but felt numb. The Audi RS6 was a super fun family car but felt wide on our country roads... RS3 was spot on but the boot was like my wife's mini 😂 If I go M3 touring, I will need to spend £2k to soften the suspension

[@TC-V8]

I can't afford either but still want to know!! 😂

[@nuskox]

hahaha yes

[@PistoKTM]

Me too, i was looking for this comment 😂

[@ap9983]

We are with you brother 😂

[@svetkata_debelakov]

you can afford both after several years. Depending in which country you are living. In my case in bulgaria-20-25 years

[@rafaelreche9781]

Well, with this video, you certainly will dont know who is better.. they RACE and this is the parameter for the content creators

[@liqslip]

i'd love to see an up-to-date video clearing up the confusion between quattro ultra, torsen, haldex, etc.. and showing their real-world differences on ice, not just with rollers.

[@asfdaigjusadjfepijfadf]

In practice i find both systems perform similarly in fresh snow and on ice. This is comparing b9 a4 with torsen to b9.5 a4 with ultra. The torsen car is a bit more eager to rotate under throttle bc of the rwd bias, ultra is much more neutral under throttle. Tbh i dont find the ultra to be a bad or fwd feeling system at all.

[@londoriath3764]

Quattro Ultra is basically an inproved haldex system Only difference is that it cuts power from the rear wheels. Just fancy talk. However, here's where the improvements come in The Ultra is a proactive system that engages the rear wheels before slippage occurs. The Haldex system is a reactive type that engages after slippage occurs. It's still pretty snappy though in it's response. So Ultra is basically Audi's way of telling us the system is further refined.

[@fifty3motorsports]

True Quattro Audis and Subarus with the true mechanical awd are an insane thing to behold in winter conditions with the right tires.

[@rene837]

Best part about Subarus is that you will always find your way back home because of the trail of oil you leave behind xD

[@pistonburner6448]

No, they're not. All Audis are front-heavy, understeer and have no feel. And there is no such thing as "true Quattro" since it's just an empty marketing term.

[@bak1z]

@@pistonburner6448you have no clue what you are talking about

[@bapr3887]

@@pistonburner6448 Audis are front heavy with their 56:44 weight distribution, when Subarus are 60:40 and there is everything ok?

[@pistonburner6448]

@@bak1z Yes, I do. I absolutely have the MOST knowledge and experience. I've tested those systems since I got my license, and I learned to drive on snow and ice before I got my license. I know the exact tech of each car. I've done countless hours of testing up North...where I've lived most of my life. Every single day almost...for several decades now. I tested all relevant cars (which I wanted to) when they were introduced. I even had access to cars like no-one else through our family and my friends since we had lots of cars in our family (with special circumstances meaning we had ever changing cars). I personally had Audi sponsorship for some time, which gave me access to their press fleet so I could test one car and then switch when I wanted. I've tested tires, and I know R&D heads of tire companies. I've compared driving technique and our thoughts on cars with my friends in WRC, who have tested F1, etc. I have excellent, competitive times on tracks including the Nürburgring. But I have especially much experience in snow and ice driving. I've even studied auto industry business strategies in university (and I also studied at technical university), that's how interested I am in this overall subject. Can you even explain exactly which tech each of the different Audi and BMW models uses?

[@ronjatter]

Great video. I think these cars accelerate faster on snow than mine does on tarmac. 😂

[@cardreamtv]

Big respect how much effort you put into your videos! 🔥

[@drglover1973]

I currently own an RS4, it is incredible with winter tyres in the snow. Have just placed an order for M3 touring. I think this video confirms what I thought that it would be difficult to beat the RS4. Brilliant video as usual.

[@francescoruggiero1025]

This Is best video for 2024😂🎉

[@livelearngrow8617]

Thank you for doing so many runs. Most channels do a NOT exceed 3 attempts

[@torentmonkey]

FINALLY! a test as it should be...

[@Pawer8]

It would have been cool to have a subaru in there and explain the differences in the fundamental differences in those systems. And also get into the details of a symmetric system

[@MyRealName]

Subies are cool but that system is blown out of proportions, so overrated.

[@OmarZ77]

@@MyRealNameyeah it’s just as good as Mazdas. The “symmetrical” part actually only refers to how it looks, not power distribution or anything.

[@Fantic1980]

My 2017 MK7.5 Golf R had way better traction in snow than my brothers 2015 WRX STI on the same tyres. Generations apart.

[@DashCamSerbia]

Alfa's Q4 would be a much better competitor.

[@Pawer8]

@@OmarZ77 there's no torque steer with a symmetrical system

[@nuskox]

Thank you for this test.

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you for watching

[@terryallen5328]

I live in the UK and owned an Audi A4 Quattro for 7 years. Ran it with Michelin Cross Climate tyres and they were brilliant in all of the UK weather conditions. Now own an Audi Q3 Quattro and run it with Goodyear Vector 4 season tyres, they too are great in all weather conditions. Will never put summer tyres on my cars again in the UK. The Audi Quattro systems especially the Torsen on the A4 is brilliant, the Haldex on the Q3 is good too.

[@Batler631]

I'm glad both cars are almost identical in ride. Everyone can choose what they like and what fits better, while getting the best every time. Other imperfections are only between the pedals and the seat. That's why I would always choose a BMW for the rear drive option and year round fun.

[@nirfz]

Would say the fact that x-drive is basically a 180° flipped hang on awd with a wet clutchpack instead of a center diff the driving experience you explained was kind of expected. The clutchpack is constantly changing the engagement of the front wheels. So it usually has to feel less predictable than a normal center diff awd with fixed front to rear ratio. ->Like the Audi has. I have had a car from a different manufacturer with a fixed ratio awd system like the audi, and it was stupidly easy to drive on slippery surfaces. I tried it without ESP on snow and with good winter tyres it needed digital throttle input to even break traction. But when doing that, it was like playing Colin McRae Rally 2. So easy to do a 4wheel drift. And with bad winter tyres i managed to do the same thing on a slimy wet winter road when turning 90° from a standstill with a lot of throttle. Absolutely predictable and easy to "ride out". Am now on the successor of said car with the same awd system, but i haven't had the chance to try it on snow yet. Where Audi and Mercedes do "the same" as BMW with x-drive is when they use the words "quattro ultra" and "4matic + ". Both of these are hang on awd systems and should (in my opinion) rather be called quattro light and 4-matic - " The only difference with them to x-drive is that audi with "quattro ultra" usually drives the front wheels. (so it's even more like a normal Haldex hang-on)

[@tyrereviews]

i was not aware the M3 AWD system was like that, I guess that explains everything!

[@evol3852]

Pretty sure 4matic + is similar to Quattro based on Torsen since it is permanent 4wd now awd, 4matic is regular awd with the front only pulling when it loses traction like the xdrive. I test drove a GLC and could feel it was rwd until it switched to awd

[@jonhenderson]

I guess that's what 40 years of awd development gets you! Nice vid, thanks.

[@motodudes8379]

put the Audi in Dynamic, gearbox in sport and THEN in manual... Only then you will hit the rev limiter and it wont shift for you!!

[@tyrereviews]

Ah, I missed the sport part. Still, manual should be manual!

[@eduardoreyes8697]

I was about to type that. I own a 2022 RS5 and It can hold the gear like @motodudes said.

[@benupde1979]

It will 1-2 shift, at least mine does. The rest of the gears it’ll hold and bounce off the rev limiter

[@genderlessyoutubefanperson]

Awesome video as always. My 2024 X3M with 255 45 20 Michelin X-Ice Snow mounted on 20x9J wheels is ""unstoppable".

[@maxhawkgt]

I love your videos as well as Mat Watson's from CarWow, but I appreciate your steady count-down vs Mat's Three.........Two...OneGo 😀

[@andrewsnow7386]

Sorry, this comment isn't really related to this video, but is a possible suggestion for a future video. I was out snow-wheeling a few days ago and got in a discussion with another snow-wheeler about tire chains. The conditions were heavily compacted snow at temperatures just above freezing -- almost like wet ice. We couldn't agree if it was safer to install a single set of chains on the front or rear axle of a 4X4. He thought it was safer to install them on the front as the front tires steer. I claim it is safer to install them on the rear tires as having the higher traction in the rear improves stability. I thought someone would have already done a KZbin video on this, but I couldn't find one. I can't think of anyone else on KZbin that could test this with nearly the diligence that you could. I'd love to see a comparison of front vs. rear chains on ice. Hopefully you find this suggestion interesting.

[@tyrereviews]

You're both right! Each choice as positives and negatives. When snow wheeling I would probably install on the front axle as that does more work, but be VERY careful and mindful that I couldn't turn at all quickly, then take them off at the earliest possible opportunity.

[@ALMX5DP]

I guess defining what safer is might influence what a correct answer would be. Chains installed on the back could result in understeer since the steering axle does not have the same traction. But it could be possible for the vehicle to swap ends if the chains were installed on the front axle.

[@wtpauley]

This is a good question. I know that my Mazda CX-5 recommends, if only one set of chains, to put them on the front. My best educated guess is that it's a front wheel drive bias vehicle? Also of note, I tried putting chains on my CrossClimates and got worse performance. I think it's because the chains interfere with the snow grooves.

[@andrewsnow7386]

@@tyrereviews I skipped over a lot of the details. The issue came up because a third driver (inexperienced in snow) was putting on chains before heading down a slick hill. In this situation the chains were going to be needed almost exclusively for slowing and stopping, not to get moving. I agree that there are times when having the chains on the front is the better choice. For example when pushing through dense snow makes getting moving hard, but stopping easy. But I claim that in any situation where stopping is the biggest concern, then chains on the rear tires is safer. I also didn't mention that just before I had the chains-on-the-front-or-rear discussion (just out of sight, about 100m down the road), I had helped an SUV with the chains on the front get straightened out after it had slid sideways in the road. 🙃

[@andrewsnow7386]

@@wtpauley What kind of chains? I have seen cable chains perform poorly in some conditions. Cable chains generally have little protective tube or spring like pieces over the cross-cables. With very thin snow on pavement, where there wasn't enough snow depth for the chains to sink into, I witnessed the little tube sections act as rollers between the tire and the pavement.

[@rolexr]

They are so EQUAL...the most important things on snow and ice are... the tires and the right foot of the driver!!!

[@photosmithy]

There are some videos by KZbin content makers ( right phrase?) which when I break up for Christmas have to have their timely near end of year new videos. This makes my holiday season official. You have not disappointed:) this will make no sense to yourself and anyone else.

[@tyrereviews]

I hope it was worth the wait!

[@photosmithy]

dude your videos are always epic and educational ​@tyrereviews

[@Z-u-m-a]

Great test. Even as a (RWD) BMW owner I wanted the Audi to win as Quattro is just somehow more romantic.

[@aleskatic431]

Two of us.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Another fantastic video mate, Lou especially liked it 🫣👌❤️

[@tyrereviews]

I was going to whatsapp you to tell you this is one to watch with lou lol

[@sambeavers5547]

When the music started playing at 22:22 I thought my neighbour had started cutting plasterboard.

[@timw2083]

Two of my favorite cars that I can't have.... thanks for this video

[@NathanCroston-yc4gw]

I’ve always favored the Audi, especially the rs6. It’s my dream car. But I do like the new bmw m3 touring. It’s a fabulous machine that deserves a lot of praise. Good video 👍 it’s a shame I’ll never get the opportunity to own either. I wonder how the Golf R 7.5 would compare to these ultimate beasts on snow. That’s what I drive.

[@dragod7233]

i had most fun on the snow in bmw E46 320d with RWD, DSC 50% off and good winter tires 😊😊😊

[@tyrereviews]

320ds are always epic in the snow

[@Dandy1939]

​@@tyrereviews si soprattutto sui passi di montagna innevati ... 😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@elvinrashid1327]

That's what i was talking about get in quattro 😁👍🔥

[@InfamousGT2]

Great test! Audi had the straight line traction advantage because of the forward weight bias (which hurts it at anything more than 9/10 in corners - dry, wet or snow).

[@FINNdeischgut]

FINALLY a four-wheel drive comparison that uses the same tires. There are so many "four-wheel drive" comparisons that use completely different tires and don't even consider the tires. That always makes me so angry because completely wrong conclusions are drawn from the test. Tires are the most important component of a car and as long as the car has more power than traction, only better tires can really make you faster. And many people forget about tires completely and think they can make good statements about the cars, even though different tires are used each time.

[@Dome79nico]

Nice video! I understand the point on the steering feeling, but if there is enough grip in both cars at the end the winner is the one that sends less power to the front.

[@chrismccannIRL]

Am I ever going to buy winter tyres? No. Did I watch it keenly start to finish… yes!

[@Jeo-What]

Thanks for the review and... nice Free Hiker Gore-Tex boots.

[@DazDc]

So despite what we have seen, based on numbers BMW was quicker on the snow? Or im missing something?

[@mcyoon77]

Usually I watch your channel with a tyre choice due. Since I can’t afford these cars it was purely for fun and I really enjoyed it. As a former 5 series owner (on winters through those months, OMG what a difference!) I was kinda rooting for the M3 but happy either way. Being an M3 owner but still giving the win to the Audi shows that your judgement can be trusted, as if we doubted 😎.

[@jinxpacostea]

I've wanted to see a fair comparison between X-Drive and Quattro for a long time, so, really nice video. I was hoping to also see some tests driving up an incline (hope that's what it's called), with DTC/ESP off, since that's what I feel AWD is mostly useful for...

[@tootalltodrive]

Going to the Alps next year and have opted for the 3series xdrive against the A4 Quattro, hope I don’t regret it 😅 Great video!

[@larsweinand4035]

Awesome video! Really really appreciating the efforts you put into those videos and comparisons. Thank you very much! :) On the results... I'd be interested to know the AWD ratio the Audi applies. On Tarmac and in general, a rear bias is more agile. For drifting however, a 40 front : 60 rear in example does not help. When more power goes to the back, spinning the wheels (drift) it means that less power is going to the front, causing the front to spin less - which means more grip and that results in reducing drift angle (front tires pull you straight). You can influence that of course with your steering angles and corrections... which seems to me what happens with the M4. You need to get the front get loose/spin again. It sounds counter intuitive, but a 50:50 ratio is much better for drifting, since power goes to all 4 wheels consistently and you can hold and do smooth AWD drifts. It's easier with 40:60 or 30:70 to initiate a drift (with power), but holding it at that ratio is much harder then with 50:50. Not sure if BMW or Audi lets you control that ratio (like in a GR Yaris in example)

[@scouser2230]

I had an Audi Quattro sedan, with a manual transmission, many years ago and I agree with you it was wonderful to drive in snow. You felt like you had great control, even at higher speed, and it was extremely enjoyable to drive. I have not driven the BMW Xdrive system, so I can’t make a comparison.

[@rrshse6704]

Great video, I'm sure you had fun doing this. IMO, the better cornering agility that you experience in the corner handling of the Audi, is that the quarto splits the power 50-50 through the centre diff , whereas the BMW is 60-40 as you mentioned . The Audi gearbox shifting up at the rev limiter also helps in saving the gear box from inexperienced drivers who mash the throttle pedal on very slippery conditions ( as Ice) and destroying the transmission. Thank you for your good work, keep it up. Greetings from Canada.

[@Roddy451]

The winner: Pirelli Fun test, regardless (IMHO). Reminds me of Audi Quattro in IMSA.

[@Seerac18]

I think you can drive both cars in the snow with pretty much safety and this is the most important. If the one is faster than the other on snow or winter is not so significant but for the comparison it an awesome video

[@titibobo2000]

Thank you for excellent and very exciting video, much appreciated. Kudos to Audi but I'd still pick the BMW. 😉

[@tyrereviews]

Me too

[@danjo911]

Great fun review btw 👍🏼

[@bmwguy325is9]

Fun test!

[@igetsrealmad5716]

Audi in its natural habitat .

[@Damianos980]

Audi natural habitat is in a mechanics workshop 🤭

[@arthur8816]

​@@Damianos980 that goes even more for a bmw

[@Greddy9407]

@@Damianos980 actually BMW natural habitat is in a mechanics workshop...

[@ragnarlothbrok2782]

​@@arthur8816 i had never a single problem with my bmws but with with Audis i had multiple issues per year.

[@Dandy1939]

​@@Damianos980tu sicuramente di Audi non ne sai una sega

[@perswartz4393]

❤ Epic ❤ greetings from Sweden

[@elchapo4908]

Christmas has come early!

[@MrSnowmonkey7]

This was great! Would love to see a wet test with these cars.

[@IonutAlexandrinRistea034]

Great video, I had a lot of fun watching this! Although I'm a BMW fanboy, kudos to Audi for the Quattro! I would still pick the M3, of course! 😍 I even got used to the front, I actually like it! 😅 Btw, which color is the M3? M Brooklyn Grey? 🥰 love it! Keep up the good work mate! ✌🏼

[@burgerking791]

If I had the money, I'd buy both! Both are amazing machines 😌

[@DashCamSerbia]

Did you ask Pirelli why don't they make P Zero Winter for 18 inch sizes?

[@rrAzz]

I have P Zero on 18 for my BMW, probably depends where you are located

[@DashCamSerbia]

@rrAzz I have P Zero on 18s as well, but summer tyres. The P Zero Winter is what I mean.

[@kulls96]

I love your videos and all the tests. Would it be possible for you to test out the Tesla model 3 highland dual motor on snow and ice just like this test and may be on hill climb if possible? Again appreciate you for all the hard work!❤

[@KOSA518]

Is is the first test ever of a P Zero Winter? Immediately right after successor, the P Zero 2 hits the market ;-) Would be nice to compare P Zero 2 to the newest Continental WinterContact 8 S. Thank you for todays material!

[@tyrereviews]

The 8S is contis 'mostly oe line' so it won't really feature in tests, the 8P will, whenever that arrives

[@KOSA518]

@tyrereviews Conti WC 8S are available in EU fortunately on 'normal' market also. As P Zero 2 is not available in my mixed size, I would go for the 8S instead if nothing changes in the future. P Z Winter are my OE winter * tires.

[@aaronbearchi]

Great video!

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks for watching!

[@fransisrld]

Great video! I do think both systems are the benchmark when it comes to snow or dry! Very good and very fun! However, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the BMW use SportPacket wheel, which are slightly wider in the rear? I do believe this will cause the car to feel different in the snow especially, as the tyre tests you did with the snow wheels a little while back. Still very good though! Impressive!

[@tyrereviews]

You are correct, stock on the G80 is a 285 wide rear (on a 20 inch wheel), however I'm almost certain that this size is a recommended winter size in the handbook (this was filmed a year ago so my memory is a little hazy). The car you see in all the shots also has spacers fitted, slightly wider in the rear for looks. We also ran without the spacers, and while the yaw was slightly lower, the general theme of it compared to the audi was the same. Good thinking though!

[@xIcarus227]

It doesn't really look like the Audi had the edge to me. In the launches the one who started first almost always won, and the measured times were better in the BMW. There's also the ice test where xDrive performed noticeably better. There was no hill climb test, but since xDrive can send 100% of its power to the rear vs quattro's 85% I'd expect the BMW to perform slightly better. I'm not saying the differences are big enough to matter, the main decision point here is whether you prefer a more fun vs an easier experience. But it sure looks like the BMW had the edge.

[@tyrereviews]

We did do a hill climb test but even on the biggest hill pirelli have, with the awd there was no problem at all with either cars, and the hills weren't wide enough to run them side by side

[@xIcarus227]

@@tyrereviews makes sense, I honestly wouldn't expect either of these to have problems on a hill. Regardless, this is an amazing test and I'm happy we have someone like you who pays attention to variables. You were right in the video, other comparisons I see online all have different tyres which defeats the whole purpose.

[@renemann3382]

Cool das alle schreiben. Quattro ist the Best. Aber der BMW jeden einzelnen Vergleich gewonnen hat ^^. (8:21min)

[@tscheker1000]

Cool dass Audi trotzdem wesentlich spurtreuer ist und durch das rein mechanische Mittendifferential effizienter Arbeitet und somit sicherer ist

[@watch_along]

Ich habe das Video in dem Sinne auch nicht ganz nachvollziehen können. Es mag sein, dass sich der Audi einfacher fahren lässt. Das ist aber auch kein Anspruch an das Video gewesen wenn es hier um Zeiten und Beschleunigung geht. Die Reaktionszeit der Fahrer und Gripverhältnisse hat den visuellen Unterschied gemacht. Performanter war dann offensichtlich doch xDrive ?! Und bei der Rundstrecke meint er er muss mit dem BMW kämpfen um ihm im Drift zu halten. Rein vom Lenkimpuls korrigiert er aber nicht mehr als dann beim Audi auch. Das was gesagt wird passt nicht zu dem was man sieht.

[@stephencollins7714]

Does not make sense for you to call in the starts, of course the other driver is not going to be able to react as quickly because you are off as you say go and he has to react to it. Get an independent person to call it in.

[@geewilliams2178]

Another great video. But it was clear to see the back end of the M3 was all over the place were as the Audi was rock solid. It's obvs rear bias and I wonder if you'd have picked the RS3 competition which is emrear bias they would have been similar

[@esametsala3054]

GURU has spoken 😁BMW has been ssssoooooo long King of The winter with it's X-drive but AUDI has done it's home work, apparently . . . Greetings from Finland!

[@TYAC_red]

4Matic?

[@Runner_in_the_dark]

Would love to see how Acura's SH-AWD system compares.

[@francescovallone6870]

The advantage, the real difference It's the position of the engine!!! Mamma mia

[@ozcancaliskan]

Nice comparison. You should add Model Y Performance in this test.

[@pistonburner6448]

You are shifting all wrong: you need to short-shift or try to time the shift so that when you shift you just barely keep under the threshold of slip. On snow and ice the sooner you can shift (without completely bogging down), the better. For example from 1st to 2nd it's often advantageous to shift super-early. Never go near the rev limiter.

[@2cats1guy]

This is my fix between Carwow drag races.

[@renaultclio1400]

You usually get a kitty with a BMW, but when you want a family with this kitty, you buy an Audi.

[@tyrereviews]

lol

[@protonicvenem]

Im a bmw driver, but I really appreciate audi’s Quattro, it gives to all of us more chooses.. Well done Audi

[@danjo911]

My RS4 (b9) doesn’t shift up in manual mode. Don’t know why your test car does tbh.

[@BurkiBikes]

Sorry, wrong statement at 6:45 because the Audi does hold the gears aswell when u drive in RS Mode and manual gear selection.

[@tyrereviews]

I couldn't get it to, just by turning everything off and putting it in manual.

[@BurkiBikes]

@@tyrereviews You have to go into the drive select system and select RS mode and configure it so that the transmission is in sport mode. Then it won't automatically shift up when the rev limiter is reached. Believe me, I drive the car regularly ;-) The dynamic mode alone is not enough to prevent upshifting, it has to be the RS mode. Awesome video btw..

[@tyrereviews]

@@BurkiBikes Thanks for letting me know! Shame it doesn't do it by default, but now I know for next time :)

[@jdeejaxGmbH]

@@tyrereviews no,its not a shame on the brand,its a shame on you being a reviewer or how do u wanna be called that u dont know this.

[@BurkiBikes]

@@tyrereviews A good way to check whether it is fully manual is to look at the gear indication in the cockpit. If it says e.g. M1S in white letters, its NOT fully manual. If it is M1S in red letters, its fully manual. Even the newer S-Models like the S3 now have this feature, Audi is finally stepping up their game...

[@marcellodebenedittis9481]

Audi RS quattro Torsen or Haldex? Thank you for wonderful videos.

[@har5090]

You didnt tested most important thing. Start from uphill. That is where you can see what is better sistem. Audi have torsen which is all time all wheel drive, Bmw have clutch based system which sent power to front when rear is slipping.

[@hamdanali2036]

he did this before in an old x drive vs quattro video. every time they ran the uphill test, one car would just sit there bogging, the other would easily go up. after a re run, it would be the other way around. was just random

[@xIcarus227]

This isn't true, xDrive is a permanent AWD system else there would be no point in using a transfer case like it does. The default torque split is 40/60 or 30/70, depending on model, and can send up to 50% to the front and up to 100% to the rear.

[@tyrereviews]

We did a hill test but there was so much grip from the tyres both cars flew up on their own, and it wasn't wide enough to run them side by side sadly.

[@Jehco14]

Very interesting video! I like the rigor that goes into your testing. I think a big factor here in straight-line acceleration is weight distribution. It would require some calculations to check, but whichever car will have the most neutral load on both axles will have the advantage, but this load depends on the acceleration itself, so the Audi will get better with the higher grip, whereas the BMW will be disadvantaged in absolute traction grip potential when the grip increases. That being said, they have a certain limit of torque distribution anyway.

[@saucysimpson259]

Was the BMW IN 4WD or 4WD sport as that sends more power to the back wheels

[@paulhagan486]

Don't audi use a different awd system in rs models? I think on the none rs models it's the haldex? Any chance of testing models with Haldex system vs x-drive systems?

[@matus201]

What do these cars use for their differentials? Are they using Torsen in the middle? Or is it Haldex? Or something they make themselves?

[@nickwells20]

I could be wrong put front bias AWD frickin sucks in the snow and will understeer. Hopefully the RS badge can fix that problem. My point is drifting in the snow is one of the most fun driving experiences you can do and it's the best with real 4 wheel drive. Ironically the best winter car I've ever drifted in was a late 00s Ford escape lol. You can get sideways and not worry about tipping like most SUVs.

[@rohinhans7819]

The torsen diff Audis (at least new ones) are not front bias. Plenty of fun the snow. As said in the video, can control the slide with your mind

[@maximus9401]

I think I'm ok losing snow drag races if I can be faster everywhere else and induce power oversteer on the road rather than understeer

[@titibobo2000]

@@maximus9401 Both cars are obviously fast enough in all conditions. So, for me it's a matter of overal driving and owning experience and personal preferences. Few tenths more or less rarely matter in the real life. My pick is BMW (not only M3 but generally), however, I respect anyone's individual choice.

[@DudeThedudesky]

The rs4 handles better than the m3. Just check out track battles. The audi understeer stereotype is just completely outdated and not true. Audis awd system takes corners better and despite audi having less power because of course bmw heavily understates power the audi still wins. Typical clueless bmw fangirl

[@Brunoperes_88]

​@DudeThedudesky really? I recomend you to check the laptimes of the RS4 B9 vs BMW M3 Touring because you will have a big surprise... check the Zeperfs or fastestlaps websites and you will see that the RS4 is slower in every single track than the M3 Touring, in fact the M3 Touring is even faster than the RS6 Performance on track... the RS models don't have the huge understeer they are used to had in the past but they're not on the BMW league in terms of handling!

[@ThorDyrden]

RS4 quattro has torque-vectoring and also a default of 60% power to the back... where do you expect understear coming from? This old school-yard FWD vs RWD argument of BMW-fanboys is outdated for ... yea well since most of us still went to school.

[@DudeThedudesky]

@Brunoperes_88 a rs6 isn't meant to compete with a m3t? Also the website you shown only has bmw m3 touring COMP which is 20000 euros more than the rs4 that they have. A 1-2 second difference with a car that has about 100hp less and costs 20000 euros less. Good job man you just shot yourself in the leg. I also just checked rs5 vs bmw m4 competition xdrive with also 100hp more and costing about 20000 euros more it was only a 1-2 seconds on track difference. You really shot yourself in the leg ☠️ also bmw has struts in the front whilst audi uses multilink which is much much better and much more expensive to produce. Your just stupid and clueless about cars. I drove most the f and g series m cars and all rs cars so I know how they handle aswell.

[@ronaldoromi9277]

Wow, the Audi looks like a Skoda, while the BMW looks like a BMW. BMW is on another level!

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Gosh dang the M3 Touring is so good looking! Sucks we don’t get it in the USA 😭.

[@_IMNNO]

I have vehicles equipped with the true versions of both. I like em both.

[@AutosportMore]

Good! ❤ 2:15 Bmw = MAD 😈❤ on my list 2

[@joshuaadesida]

Overall I’d say Audi, but close and looking at the race and how often the bmw went sideways, I’d feel more comfortable in a AUDI. My AMG has 4 matic and I’d love to see how it stacks up, especially here in the Canadian winters

[@999MikeS]

I bet Audi loved having the BMW spec tyres fitted to their car 🤣

[@dokterkarel]

these tires grip like crazy!!!

[@tyrereviews]

The new ones are even better!

[@JamiePayne-o5v]

Great video! I was expecting a narrow victory from the BMW - but was good to see even that even as a big BMW fan yourself you could acknowledge the Audi performance 👏

[@Babypilot1989]

Great comparison! Interesting (and disappointing) that audi has removed holding a gear in manual. I have a B8 RS4, and it doesn't up shift in manual mode, just bounces off the limiter at 8500rpm 😂 would be curious to see old vs new RS4 on snow... Power isn't everything

[@yipchitaywonga]

love your videos, love these two cars, would not own any of those, but I would own a Camry awd, could you add a Camry awd next time, please? for science?

[@lean2079]

you should do a similar test with the 4Matic+ from the AMG models

[@tyrereviews]

Will do!

[@pistonburner6448]

4Matic+ just like BMW's xDrive is far better than Audis...because Audis are front-heavy, understeer, and lack feel. Also Jaguars, Maseratis, Alfas, Cadillacs with AWD are better than Audis.

[@bapr3887]

@@pistonburner6448 Yeah, thats why RS4 B9 holds fastest 18m slalomspeed for wagon and sedans in history. Mate, wake up. And thats "lack feel", where author was very optimistic about... car feeling better than bmw. Time to wake up.

[@pistonburner6448]

@ They do not hold fastest 18m slalom speed. Audis factually do lack feel. Their FWD-based VW platform ruins the car from the start, and I have inside source info to prove it: ever since the 90's st least Audi engineers have been begging management to allow them to switch to a proper platform like BMW's (and Merc, Maserati, Alfa, Jaguar, Cadillac, etc.) but they haven't been allowed for VW platform and parts sharing cost savings. You can't design proper suspension like that, it's band-aids over band-aids. It's a mess. Especially when they have to also dampen out the driveline effects in their horrible "Audi-way" by just crudely dampening everything which also removes all feel.

[@JohnGuidetti751]

⁠@@pistonburner6448The MLB is an Audi platform not a VW platform. The only VW car on the MLB is the Touareg. The VW platform is MQB which A1, A3,Q3 sit on same as the Golf. There’s two types of Quatrro, Quattro ultra which is Haldex/Magna and traditional Quattro with a proper diff.

[@FARAGODOKI]

Audi quattro is superb

[@danielg.jensen3255]

Awesome video. I think if you push the gear stick to the side it locks the gearbox in manual and won't change gear by itself

[@tyrereviews]

I did that, apparently you have to jump through some hoops in the computer if you want it to hold gears! I'll know for next time.

[@danielg.jensen3255]

@@tyrereviews Too bad, I thought it worked. Can't wait to try my RS4 B8.5 in snow🙂

[@georgigrigorov7606]

Even though I am BMW fan I think that the most important race is with the systems working

[@iamspyvspy3077]

Amongst all the modes, do these cars have a specifc Snow mode ?

[@tyrereviews]

I didn't even look. Generally snow modes allow a bit more slip of the esc and change the auto gearboxes, they don't realyl do a huge amount

[@ogloftus]

Can’t put Quattro in In RWD

[@tyrereviews]

Nope?

[@jack_da_niels]

Simultaneously starting and having the correct gear engaged doesn't seem to be your strong suit 🤪 Just kidding, nice video, although I would have to admit that I would prefer the Michelin tyres to be compared.

[@Sol-hl2rj]

Audi has motor overhang over front axle.. ok for traction on snow.. not so much in bends though

[@ultimatist]

An Audi lighter than a BMW??? Then you look at the receipts, and the weight distribution, and the BMW takes its rightful place. Good to know Audi is still on top of its Quattro game.

[@SolomonIsAwesome]

Amazing cars. I would choose 9/12 months of having more fun, though