Why You SHOULDN'T Upgrade to the 9800X3D

[@mohammed-nb6cl]

The real reason is money

[@yudi8204]

True Why shouldn't you buy a private jet, lambo, yacht, and a mansion? Money

[@rickdubbink]

I got it on MSRP but as my first CPU

[@jacobgames3412]

Real

[@profecesarmg4770]

The only reason...

[@whohan779]

Yep and only that; unless you need more multi-core performance. It's efficient and faster than every other octacore ever.

[@Sirkdinos]

I think most people buying 9800x3d are entertaining 5090 dreams.

[@FrostyNewb]

You just explained my impulse purchase haha

[@xianlux4947]

Titan AI

[@infantryL0RD]

you see, it all started when i succumbed to the 4k OLED panel hype ...

[@antimatter818]

Me too​@@infantryL0RD

[@junyaiwase]

Ur right I am entertaining a 5090

[@wellallnasib]

My father owns a shop that buys and resell used PC component. I have seen people replace their 13700K with 14700K while 13700K is used less than 4 months. They sell it at huge loss to get the new chip. Some people's brain cant function if they do not have the latest and the best in their system, that just how it is. There are a lot of people with insane disposable income.

[@yonghominale8884]

That kind of made sense because of DLSS 3.0. FSR 3.0 made the upgrade unnecessary if you wanted frame generation.

[@BOKLUK_CHOVEK]

There have a people which have a lot of money,and they dont care how much will lost. They just want to have the best one.

[@cfedtech6563]

Going from 12th to 13th Gen I noticed way better .1% Lows but not going to 14th Gen at 4k

[@abdallahmsaddi4242]

We need more of these pepole so the ised market get better and better

[@Bobo-ey8fc]

Great video! An excellent explanation on how useless some of these upgrades are. Personally I put some of the fault on the online reviewers who get all excited about a 20% increase in FPS that won't make any difference in the average person's gameplay.

[@mitch075fr]

Let's put it this way : 1-You're putting together a gaming rig. You'll want the 9800X3D. 2-You have a first-gen AM5 CPU that's not X3D and you want a lot more gaming performance : you'll want that chip too. 3-You're on AM4 and you want to game well for cheap : get a GPU you can afford, and get a 5700X3D.

[@jonny2085]

If you're playing at 4k, no you dont need the 9800x3d

[@JosephKarthic]

I have the i5-760 for 14 years and bought the 9800x3d

[@SuperMopga]

@@JosephKarthic Thats almost me except the "bought" part.

[@Jb3rt_133]

I got a 5800X3D so I am fine

[@michaeloneill1360]

I Chose Option # 3 & I'm Pleased with my Rig! GPU: XFX RX 6750XT/w 32 Gigs of DDR4 Ram.

[@NedRigNerd]

I would think the vast majority people running a 5800x3D are more likely using like 3070/3080s or Rx6700/6800s GPUs. Not the latest.

[@fran117]

A lot of people upgrade their gpus 2-3 generations before they upgrade their whole system, pretty sure people with 5000x3ds would still upgrade to a 4090 equivalent in a 50 series lineup

[@Noganite]

5800X3D and 6800XT user here, I agree to this

Nope, I have a 5800x3D and im sporting a 4070 TI.

[@stevenanderson3205]

7800xt here.

[@KwemKlem]

I'm on 6900xt but I see upgrading to 7000s series pointless for now as the 8000s cards are just around the corner.

[@markbayhon]

AM4 is still fine. :) Ryzen 9 5900X very affordable, 500 series boards also affordable, 32GB ddr4 is also affordable. For me 12 cores fixed the stuttering. Don't get carried away with the latest is the best.

[@mixit2413]

same for same reasons

[@123whatsYOURname]

The best me and my brother could do during COVID was the 5900x and the 6700xt. We still have the damn machine :)

[@MrSanbonsakura]

I thought the same but when i did .... My FPS went up 10-20 ( 5950x vs 9800x3d) and i don't think i need a new GPU ( i own 4090 ).

[@vanguard812-vf7hr]

Newegg made it better by giving free 32GB ram with 5900XT.

[@shawner7340]

I love videos like this. Stresses that people generally don't need the latest and greatest, and that real world use cases are very different from the "optimal" test conditions for new products. The 4070ti super is a hell of a GPU and if a part that's a couple gens old can more than keep pace with new CPUs when paired with it, that speaks volumes

[@stakesishigh516]

Honestly, the real reason is that the 7800X3D and the 9800X3D are close in price. The 9800X3D is literally $40 more than the 7800X3D. If the 7800X3D was back to $300-$350, it would be a no-brainer but I’ll pay the extra $40.

[@abbottshaull9831]

I totally agree if you building the new rig or you like have AM5 already and are on non X3D 7600X or 7700X. Otherwise the 7800X3D is still a valid option.

[@UnsaltedCashew38]

Exactly if it was was like even a $150 price difference then I'd consider the 7800x3d...$40-60 is pocket change if you're buying a new system worth $3000+

[@SoopaFlinStoneX]

I have a 5800x3d paired with a gigabyte 4090 oc. Its been working great for me. On bo6 basic settings at 1440p, i still get an average of 280fps, which is well above my monitors 240hz refresh rate.

[@Ram84_1]

my 5800X3D still the GOAT paired with my RX 6800

[@rcald-gz5jd]

That's a solid rig.

[@richardyao9012]

You cannot buy a 5800X3D anymore. :(

[@DGENexMACHINA]

@@richardyao9012 5700x3d is around

​@@richardyao9012yes you can. Their just back up to over 450.

[@stevenanderson3205]

Me too but a 7800XT

[@soykapitanph239]

Thanks Bret! This brings down the CPU review to real-world. It makes it more like a consumer-guide rather than an academic measurement of CPU performance.

[@Yoogaki]

If your building a high end system get the 9800x3d, but if you have an already high end system, it's not really worth the little performance boost

[@CombatMedic1O]

Everyone should get the 9800x3d. take out a loan if you need to, don't buy your kids food for a week. It's literally the best CPU. Sacrifices for the best are necessary.

[@Yoogaki]

@CombatMedic1O It's not that necessary.

[@PatoChu]

@@Yoogaki It is though, it's such a necessity specially for gamers. If you can't afford it then you have bigger problems you should be worrying about before gaming.

[@Yoogaki]

@@PatoChu why do people think all must have a 2k system?

[@abbottshaull9831]

@@PatoChu Uhm many of the Gamers you just offended don't play the latest titles out all they time. They play a variety of games with many of them working just fine on CPU and GPU that 3 generation behind without a concern that they aren't playing on all the high settings.

[@Madblaster6]

I don't mind the benchmarks being 1080p focused. What I don't like is the arrogance that 4k results are useless. If no one published 4k results then we wouldn't know there's a GPU limit today or if it's worth upgrading if you primarily play in 4k.

[@Svvasss]

Noone sais 4k benchmarks are useless. But as you stated yourself to show GPU performance. A CPU benchmarks wants to abstract the dependency from any kind of GPU bottleneck. If you want to know GPU performance, look at GPU benchmarks.

[@UnsaltedCashew38]

Exactly, how will I know if I'm better off just buying a $500 PS5 than a $1000 video card.

[@kubenoz]

I'm impressed how patient this and other channels are with the yappers. Also kinda feel sorry since it seems like you have to deal with a real zoo of a viewerbase.

[@TheJamesKF]

I picked one up because PCs are my main hobby and its fun to tinker. Its going into an itx build for mostly games and such. I have a full 12900k for workstation tasks and frankly it has no issue with any game I play either. My sweaty competitive gaming days are long over. Many PC gamers get caught up in back and forth elitist arguments about brand loyalty , tuning, FOMO and everything else. Spend what you can or want to spend on your PC , build some systems and have fun! Have a great day everyone.

[@MarkLangdahl]

I gotta say my 5800X3D is looking better every day 🙂

[@IrocZIV]

I usually think of upgrading the CPU as helping to get rid of stutters in odd CPU demanding parts of a game, but that only matters if your GPU is already "good enough"

[@NecroMoz]

I have a 4090, and I game at 4K on a 240hz monitor. I have a 5800X, because nothing has been worth upgrading to for 4K performance yet. It is absolutely infuriating that every single review either benchmarks everything at 1080p or using DLSS meaning it’s not at 4K. I just want to know how much of an improvement I can expect to get by upgrading my CPU. That’s it, I’m looking for a buyers guide. I don’t want to know how much faster the CPU is if I play at 1080, because I don’t play at 1080p. I don’t understand why tech channels don’t understand this. Of course the answer is “not much because it’s GPU bottlenecked at 4K”. But I want to know how much. The reason is, my native resolution is 4K but I can choose to use DLSS quality, balanced or performance to internally render a lower resolution and achieve those higher framerates. It’s all the balance. I can’t buy a new GPU, they don’t exist yet.

[@NecronWasTaken]

Because you don't gain any performance by upgrading your CPU, if your gpu at 100% load all of the time. It's not that hard to understand.

[@NecroMoz]

@@NecronWasTaken many games are CPU bound even at 4K (Space Marine for example) and DLSS means you can play almost everything at 720, 1080, 1440 or 4K (DLAA).

[@NecronWasTaken]

@@NecroMoz so it means that GPU are not at 100% load. Where is the problem?

[@Javier64691]

The CPU reviews don't revolve around your setup, dude, they are a CPU review for a reason. For that, you need to watch a CPU review to see the FPS it can output, then see a GPU test to see how much that it can output and then figure out "If GPU at 4K is doing 90 FPS and CPU is doing 150 FPS at 1080p then upgrading wouldn't make a difference, because a CPU will pump the same FPS no matter the resolution". Is that easy, but lots of people don't understand that simple concept and, like I said in one CPU review, people seem to want 4K reviews because they have or want that same GPU and CPU combination and want a one stop place instead of 2 videos, you just prove my point. Of course, your CPU can serve your needs at 4K, but you might only be playing AAA games where the main load is on the GPU, but if you play anything other than that, you probably will be CPU bottlenecked quite heavily.

[@Svvass]

@@Javier64691 people can't put this together for themselves and want a buyers guide specifically tailored to their configuration. It is just crazy :D

[@realgoose]

What’s not said here, until the end, is the real reason for testing CPUs at lower resolution. The CPU is the frame limit of the system. A slower CPU with an infinitely fast GPU would be limited to the CPU’s frame rate. If someone is going to be upgrading their CPU every 4-5 years, it’s reasonable to make the choice to get the CPU with the highest frame limit, acknowledging that future GPUs will enable the higher performance. GPUs are easier to upgrade vs CPUs.

[@IndyMiraaga]

"Reviewers argue that at the end of the day, CPU reviews are meant to inform you of the objective performance level of each CPU, and they can only do that if the CPU is the limiting factor in the benchmark" is stated less than a minute into the video...

[@realgoose]

@@IndyMiraagahaha. You either didn’t read my comment or don’t understand. What you wrote is not what I wrote. You quoted the video taking about testing with the CPU being the limiting factor. I wrote about what is stated at the end of the video… the CPU is the frame limit of the system… at any resolution. My point may be nuanced, and different all the same.

[@JayzBeerz]

So going from a 7700X to a 9800X3D in 4K gaming is not worth it since my tv only goes to 4K 120Hz.

[@mwales2112]

Upgraded from X470/5700X/6700XT to X870E/9800X3D/7800XT and very happy..

[@Joshda039]

W, I'm upgrading from a Biostar A320MH/Ryzen 5 2600/GTX 1660 Super to X870/9800X3D/5090

[@fendertool]

Omg thank you for this. As someone who games at 1440p and already has a 5800x3d this is just the info I needed. Also considering upgrading to 4080 super. Probably upgrade my cpu next product refresh.

[@deanwhittle1301]

iv just odered a full build coz i cant build my self with rtx 4080super and the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D with some good ram and ssd get 5 years warranty 3 years parts and 2 years call outs to sort my pc out if anything goes wrong got so better case fans as well cost me £3000

[@doxisch]

You kind of forgot CPU hungry titles like Space Marine 2 and Stalker. I just installed the 9800x3d coming from 5900x. Difference is night and day in those titles ...

[@TurboScion]

I upgraded from a 7950x to a 9800x3d and saw a big jump in that game at 4k

[@frsfthg9212]

7800x3d still exists u know

[@wendigo7176]

@@frsfthg9212 yeah but how many have 7800x3d? 10% maybe?

[@frsfthg9212]

I know, its just that most people buy 9800x3d when they dont even need it

[@cryptoroor9125]

@@frsfthg9212 because it’s only $40 more than the 7800x3d.

[@jipillow1]

If i owned a 5800x3d, i would probably skip AM5 and go strait to am6

[@powercore9277]

exactly my plan but by then it might be worth it to build an almost new pc

[@jipillow1]

@powercore9277 probably case and some storage might go with

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

NO ONE EVER SAID 1080P BENCHMARKS ARE USELESS! We just want to also see 1440p and 4k benchmarks. Reviewers used to test at every resolution... Did we get lazy?

[@burakozc3079]

If it is fast at 1080p, it will be faster on any other resolution. Why cant you understand that? Dont say you wanna see the difference on 4k. On 4k it is the gpu makes difference. Even 5600x wont do much worse than a fast cpu. So 4k cpu tests are pointless.

[@Chris-lt9br]

This made me subscribe. It was what I was looking for. Everyone testing on 1080p when its a high end chip.

[@HackAttackx10]

One thing that a LOT of reviewers aren't getting is that with the zen3 chips came out during the pandemic and a lot of us still have them and x3d was not on the menu then. Now supply is a bit better and we can have the option to flex over or upgrade to a regular chip. What we should be seeing is what do the zen3 chips look like for the 5600x/5900x/5950x vs 5800x3d/7800x3d/9800x3d. We are trying to make a purchase decision for the higher resolutions we play at and say oh yea I can go get the 12core 9900 or 9950x and keep on keepin on at ultrawide res with my 30series card. WE ALL understand that 1080p will get us to understand the performance difference, but we still want to see 1440p/4k on some of these cpus compared to our old ones and some of the other new ones to see if the AM5 socket is worth upgrading to for us PLUS should I also get the new series, should I get the old 7000 regular cpus and maybe save a buck. ETC

[@FoxNightDream]

My PC is 7 years old and I have the money. There.

[@lyaneris]

Same :)

[@Noganite]

Actually this is pretty cool! Now a 4070 Ti Super is a bit expensive and I use a 6800XT with my 5800X3D, however I think those results reflect well what I get with my setup, although my FPS is higher due to higher Vram and a larger 256bit bus. We need more realistic results and this review is right there. Now the most popular GPU is the 3060 12Gb for a lot of setups, I believe there may be a neck of bottles if the tests were done in this same manor. 5800 X3D still the GOAT o7 !

[@trembledust6819]

I've been wanting to go from an atx build to a mini itx build in regards to footprint for a while now. I've been on a 5600x paired with a water cooled 3080 for about what 2-3 years now running win 10 on a 1440p display and a 4k display which I play games at 1440p on. For the most part I'm good performance wise. What's been really holding me back is finding an itx case I like that I can do a full custom loop in. The 9800x3d is the new shinny. Was loving the performance but I don't need it , and don't plan on upgrading to 5000 series card any time soon. Thanks for vid!

[@makke_macro]

no im not upgrading now, but im keeping my eye on that product line for next upgrade. like in 2 years? if the price is right

[@gren7061]

Im on a 7600 and im gonna get the 10800x3d when that drops

[@mraltoid19]

1:19 - Good call, I have a 7900GRE, and a 5700x3D already......so my machine is a slightly crappier version of your 5800x3D system.

[@crimson-guard-1]

Since I was able to sell my 7800x3D for $350, which is about what i paid for it when I got it on sale. So not a huge cost difference to get the 9800x3D... i have a 4090 but will probably hold off on the 5090 and see if there's a TI a few years down the line.

[@NoOne-py5or]

Mean if you are upgrading to am5 and you have an option to go to a Microcenter id suggest the 9800x3d bundle it's a decent price

[@aaronriggs4430]

THANK YOU!! for this grounded, realistic content. I've been saying this for YEARS. The review methodology needs to change for GAMING cpu tests.

[@ReaperHackz]

My 2060 super cries as the 5800X3D over powers it and is like please upgrade me lmfao.

Im surprised the x3D didnt burn ypur card out lol. Damn near killed my 3060.

[@edalecu]

how?

[@OkiDingo]

I fell for the hype! I had a i9-10850K and a 3090. I racing in triple 1440 and play games on a 4K TV. My frames barely changed! Yet I had to change my CPU, motherboard, memory, and cooler. Hopefully the 5090 isn't as expensive as they are predicting.....also I will have to upgrade my PSU. I knew I wasn't CPU bottlenecked but thought it would still make a bit of a difference. However I did have fun upgrading.

[@ScrotieMcBooger]

This was a very good informative video. I have 5800x3d with 3090, and i was wondering if i should get the 9800x3d but not a video card.

[@Javier64691]

One reason to upgrade to a 9800X3D is if the game you are playing is CPU heavy rather than GPU heavy. Some like to play unoptimized games or indie games. Those games really tank your performance and getting a CPU upgrade will benefit more than a GPU upgrade, and like mention on the video, a better CPU could get you better FPS in the long run compared to a CPU that align more to your GPU. I find myself CPU limited (sub-60 FPS so not really asking for just high FPS gaming, sometimes just to be playable) in quite a few games and get stutters and slowdowns on a 5800X, even at 4K, but an upgrade to the 5800X3D wouldn't quite solve entirely those issues, while an upgrade to the 9800X3D will likely fully saturate a RX 6800 XT and allow me to get a future GPU upgrade, like UDNA or RTX 6000, and not be held back nearly as much by getting a more reasonable upgrade. Unless you build a high end system, play entirely CPU limited games or expect the CPU to last a few GPU upgrades, you really can go with anything between a 5800X3D and a 9800X3D and be fine.

[@franciscodelacruz3757]

The real reason is building a gaming pc for the first time and two days ago we bought a x870 tomahawk mobo, a kraken 360 mm Aio and 64gb 6000mhz cl 30 Trident Z5 neo rgb going with 4 x s990 pro 2tb for total of 8tb on nzxt c1000 atx 3.1 psu and black H9 elite case only question is to wait to buy the 9800x3d? or save to buy the 4080super from Gigabyte only 10 in my local 6mil Micro Center.

[@racingwithryan214]

Just waiting for my pre order of 9800X3d.. moving from 5800X3d / 4090 . Running 3 1440p monitors for Sim Racing !

[@Jtretta]

I'm planing on getting one and not upgrading for years. I did a similar thing with the CPU I still have in my system. Got an i7 4930k back in 2013 and it still does pretty well now, but it makes sense to upgrade to something like a 9800x3d at this point. If the next 10 years trend like the past 10 then I probably won't have to upgrade for a rather long time.

[@ThePaalanBoy]

Got a 11900K and 3090 OC MH:Wilds beta set most players at 100% CPU usage and

[@estheticdesigns]

I just built a new mini itx for the livingroom tv . Was not going to do a 7800x3d for only $30 less. My desktop tower has a 11700k on a 3440x1440 Ultrawide...still chugging along fine for racing Sims and shooters for now.

[@thegeekno72]

I'm on a laptop with a 5800H/3070 (with extra tight factory power limits since 15") that I already juiced up with some tweaks and RAM upgrades to play & stream 1440p I just ordered a 9800X3D to start my first actual desktop build, that ought to be enough of a step up, eh ? :)

[@cc4spawn]

Love the NAG Magazine in the background and the Springboks supporter shirt! :D

[@InviableTrader]

Most do not have a 40 series. Everyone is using 3060s. At this point you dont even need to be on the am5 platform.

[@Giraffiti]

Also worth mentioning memory prices especially DDR5 being down and NVMe creeping up right now. I’m a 7700X owner and had the 9800X3D fomo. I satiated it with a $194 2x48 GB DDR5 kit this Black Friday as I’ve been recently pushing 30+ GB on my 2x16 kit. It also pains me seeing the 4 TB SN850X go for $270 on sale when I bought it for $230 two years ago. These kind of memory upgrades/expansions are straight forward pushing limits and can be carried over to many future builds or upgrades.

[@RobloxianX]

Honestly, simply having a red bar showing how the top end CPU and GPU do at 4K Ultra Native over all of the 1080p CPU results to show if you actually should upgrade for 4K would just fix all of this.

[@bigbressler1968]

I decided to upgrade because my i7-8700k was barely able to run the new monster hunter beta with a 3090

[@fyinghigh1868]

When your GPU is the bottleneck, like 4K gaming, it makes little difference when upgrading to the 9800X3D. However, at lower resolutions and esports titles, it will make much more sense to upgrade.

[@fran117]

Or mmos, specifically if u do highly populated activities like raids or world pvp, where every ounce of cpu performance matters lol

[@jonyjo3622]

@@fran117 RTS games too

[@wc9760]

​@@jonyjo3622 Got mine specifically because Civ 7 is coming up.

[@mfaizalmohd]

i have upgraded from 7800x3d.. the reason, while the price difference are 10-15% higher on 9800x3d, i don't only see the fps performance increase as the only factor.. within it also, u got a plenty headroom for OC, meaning the chip itself are not sensitive to voltage increase compare to previous 5800x3d and 7800x3d.. also, thermal headroom also increase, when u can maintain same clock or high power draw but with lower temperature than before.. for me, it is a safe side.. and with the increasing value of 7800x3d, i dont see any price difference when i sold it then buy the new 9800x3d.. $30-$50 difference, base on my region.. if u have the money and can get it on retail price, just go with it.. nothing will go wrong.. it only become nonsense if u have to buy it on scalper price.. just be cautious.. both 78x3 & 98x3d are great, just the later is a bonus..

[@sunnyokp]

Once a while you should game in 1080p to see the value of your upgrade.

[@LudwigTheMad]

I managed to grab an Mobo + 9800X3D Combo from Newegg yesterday. I'm sitting on a 5800X (non-3d) at the end of the AM4 cycle, so I took the leap.

[@4ryan42]

I've got my 4070 Ti Super paired with an i9 9900k. Want to upgrade to the 9900X3D when it comes out.

[@TroyDanielStover]

The transition to AM5's LGA design does feel somewhat reminiscent of the early days of Socket A for AMD. Back then, AMD was entering unfamiliar territory with new socket designs, and it took time for them to refine their technology and optimize cooling solutions. Similarly, with AM5, AMD is facing some of the growing pains associated with a new socket type, especially as their chips push higher performance and generate more heat. In the case of Socket A, there were also challenges with heat management and cooling efficiency as AMD's chips became more powerful, and the industry had to adjust to the changes. Now, with AM5, it feels like a similar scenario where AMD is getting its feet wet with LGA, and the lessons learned from Intel’s long history with LGA sockets may eventually help AMD improve their designs, much like how they evolved from Socket A to later more refined architectures.

[@TubeandJar]

Yeah, a 4070 Ti Super is "cheaper" but at $800 it's still not "affordable". These cards need to come down in price. It is extremely ridiculous that the price of just this card is more than an entire PS5 Pro.

[@trashpanda8437]

The 4000 series cards wont come down in price now as nVidia has stopped making them and have priced most people out of the 5000 series market. They do this on purpose to help inflate the price of the remaining 4000 series cards. They are also facing a shortage of 5000 series GPU cores, so dont hold your breath for price drops any time soon.

[@super13218]

I'm so glad I waited to upgrade from an i7 8700k. I've haven't seen latency this low in a long time. My body is ready to play gaem!

[@akaorcram21]

thank you for this. Especially inclduing the old AM4 chips.

[@NeillMcAttack]

Honestly, these days, it's really worth considering if the upgrade will reduce your energy usage. If you think about it, the savings you make over the lifetime of the CPU could nearly pay for itself. And it should be a focus for comparisons like this.

[@paulc0102]

Every PC build is based on budget (even when cost is no limit, ironically). What most folks who ask me for advice really want to know is how cheap they can go on the CPU in a CPU:GPU cost ratio for their budget.

[@yonghominale8884]

That's easy. Look at the current console and extrapolate. PS5 Pro has a cpu equivalent to a Ryzen 9 3800 and GPU roughly equivalent to Rx 6800 or RTX 3070 Ti. That's the minimum.

[@vdbmario]

I always upgrade to the newest, it's simple, sell the old part for 80% value, pay the difference for the new part. With minimal out of pocket expense I have a better and more efficient cpu. If I waited years to upgrade, my current cpu will devalue a lot more, I will miss out on the faster CPU in the meantime and end up spending a lot more as I won't be able to recover the cost of the original cpu.

[@J4rring]

the only practical arguments are either A) ur AM4 looking to go AM5, or B) you picked up productivity hobbies (rendering, CAD, photography, etc) when you were originally only a gamer with an x3d

[@MrDerus01]

Thinking of upgrading from Ryzen 2700x with GTX 1070 to Ryzen 98003DX with RX 7900xt

[@DesuVR]

For the record, 3D V-cache makes a BIG difference in Unity-based games like VRChat no matter the resolution especially in VR mode, given the GPU isn't the limiting factor. I already run anything just fine, but VRChat is what I care about most, so I will be upgrading to a 9800X3D from my 5800X3D when the time is right.

[@Belfran]

Well said! Like when you jump from MSFS 2020 (CPU bound) to MSFS 2024 (GPU bound), my CPU just got 4 more years of service!

[@mossen98]

Okay be honest with me. Im on a rtx 4080 r7 5800x 32 gigs of ram and yes not a 3d chip. WOULD a 9800x3D help me a lot? Im getting the pg32ucdm so i am looking to push the 240 hz 4k as much as possible but from what im getting is that it wont help much cause its 4k. But im also getting mixed signals of my chip not being a x3d chip so it will help me a lot.

[@captainlooney4356]

Anyone who turns on DLSS or FSR upscaling even at 4K will end up triggering more load on the CPU, so even in "real world" scenarios at 4K with upscaling, you will artifically create a CPU bottleneck, therefore the 1080p graphs help gives you a guideline what will happen.

[@edalecu]

I'm using a 3080ti + 5800X3D combo right now and the only reason for a potential CPU upgrade would be the 1% and .1% lows and very rarely the averages (when CPU is a bottleneck). Else, for me it's obvious that the cost is not worth the platform upgrade, at least for now.

[@gman9552]

I went AM5 the cheap route. R7 7700 from AliExpress for $200. X670 MSI Pro and cheapest DDR5 6000Mhz CL30 ram. Overall I would say better. More responsive as well. The 5800X3D carries good resale value so not a massive amount to pay in. Planning on getting the 9800X3D once the hype is over.

[@RyanStratton-p4s]

Building a whole new system. Better than just buying parts for upgrade once i realized i was going to need to upgrade everything else basically. Going from ryzen 7 3700x and 3080 to ryzen 7 9800x3d and 5090 with msi godlike motherboard. I have all the parts except gpu obviously, and psu. Can’t wait.

[@TheRealMaxPowers]

5800x3d and 3090TI and i am more than happy still. STALKER 2 ran at a solid 75FPS on epic settings.

[@LoRdDyY45]

The thing with me is I havent upgraded my cpu in almost 10 years or more now still rocking a i7-7700k But am looking to upgrade my cpu now. The thing is I need a cpu thats good at multiple things like music production as well as gaming. Most reviews are just for gaming Which is fine or production for blender cinabench ect. The only thing I do know is for music production the core and thread count matters as well as the Clock speed of each and CPU cache, I don't really want to go intel since the 14900k has tons of issues and dont really like their whole layout of P cores and E Cores seems stupid to me. Was thinking of going amd but don't know much about them. SO what would be best for gaming and music ? I need more cores but also want something good in gaming as well.

[@yulyman]

Thanks for the video, we'll done and said. I have no reason to upgrade yet. I'm running my 4090 and 5800x3d since they both first launched. Even now, I wouldn't upgrade playing at high resolution 1440p ultra wide with some CL16. I will wait for Zen 6. That would and should be more of a reason to fully upgrade my system.

[@smproductions3294]

I agree 100%. I went with the 5700x about 6 months ago. I could only afford a 6750xt GPU. Currently my ram and CPU sit at 50% usage while my GPU never leaves 100%.My goal was 100fps at 1440 and that's exactly what I'm getting. I could probably slap my 2700x back in and still get the same performance.

[@CLII1138]

Also a waste getting more FPS than your monitor can handle, Monitor upgrade $300-$1400 upgrade? Dont really need more than 120HZ unless professional esports, and at 1080 the best bang for the buck seems to be the cheaper x3d's. Plus all these guys are going to have buyers remorse if the 9950x3d rumors are true.

[@0x97B55C23D18]

It doesn't help that reviewers seem shy from trying to illustrate the difference using games that are actually CPU-bound in normal play. Stuff like end-game Stellaris or megabase Factorio. I'm curious if heavily modded Minecraft would show a difference or if it bottlenecks on something like RAM I/O. I'm still in a wait-and-see pattern despite being on an A10-5800K system.

[@zach_attwood]

What I do not understand is the only monitors running around 500hz are 1080p / FHD, what do people mean 1080p testing is pointless?

[@drewnewby]

Lord Jensen is displeased with this video, as you peasants should upgrade your 4070 Ti Super to 4090.

[@gercobosch2870]

For productivity, what is a similar Intel chip doing tho? Since usually an Intel tends to have more cores. And while that isn't an advantage for gaming I believe for productivity it is.

[@eric7591]

You nailed it! More money than sense here. That and I want to be ready for the 5090.

[@daedalus6433]

I have a 3080 and a 5700X3D, and I have an ultrawide 1440p monitor. I am not GPU-limited enough in most of the games I play (Tarkov has an extreme CPU bottleneck and loves the 9800X3D)

[@SandorX2k]

I just ordered a 9800x3d to upgrade... from my i7 4790k. Think I might get a small uplift. Now have to find a new video card to replace my r9 290.

[@sunnyokp]

Just play your games at 720p and marvel on the high fps.

[@mmremugamesmm]

I chose the 9900x over the 9800x3d simple because I want the extra multicore power if I need it. I don't play in 1080p. I find the 9900x plenty good enough. I can always get the 9800x3d later down the road. Plus, the 9900x was a good bit cheaper cost. I have a 7900xtx

[@xTERRORx818]

i have a i7-12700k with a RTX 4080 Super and i play on a SAMSUNG 49” Odyssey G9 Gaming Monitor 240Hz should i upgrade my cpu?

[@Bobo-ey8fc]

It won't make a noticeable difference.

[@Draven2k]

Already upgraded I came from a 12900k so made sense for me and its a massive difference.

[@sky173]

EDITOR - Music is a bit distracting. Try something that isn't so 'bouncy' or reduce the volume a bit ;) Regardless, this is some great info.

[@BNR_248]

I get the "why only a 1080p high refresh rate benchmark" argument, but the whole point of those benchmarks was to show how much better the CPU is than its predecessor, and helps make an informed decision that accounts for both current and future titles... Perfect example: Unreal Engine 5 games I.e. Stlaker 2 proved even the 9800x3d can be CPU bound at 4k DLSS Quality. 1080p low benchmarks with price to performance graphs are the best way to help gamers make a CPU decision. 90% of the time you'd invest more money into the GPU, and the remainder budget allocated to the CPU & co.

[@Nimble_Bitz]

Also with dlss or other upscaling tech 1080 matters for higher resolution upscaling as it's tied to lower res speeds.

[@allu717]

The Ryzen 5 7600 is the value king of cpu's, at $180 it dosen't bottleneck anything at or below a 4070 ti super at 1440p max settings. And you don't even need to buy a separate cooler.

[@sunnyokp]

It would be nice if reviewers show us which cpu starts to bottleneck each graphics cards.

[@armbsecure]

I think that video is needed. I'm not sure why x3d cpus are out of stock and going up in price or at least not getting lower even for Black Friday when it's not something that is super meaninful for performance compared to gpus.

[@fredEVOIX]

mid-low gpu range a gpu will sure be better on the high end tough 4090 7900xtx ? you def need one because those gpus improved so much than cpu tech that we went from 100% gpu limited in shadow of the tomb raider 1080p with a 1080ti to 0% for a 4090 (can't compare 4k a 1080ti can't do it in a useable manner)

[@martinvargas1346]

I play in 4k but I wanted it for future proofing for preventing cpu bottle necking the next gpu launches for years to come. I got the 11700f with my 7900xtx. I feel an upgrade is appropriate and I plan on saving for gpu’s. Not having to worry about bottle necking is worth it. I was also considering changing my second monitor to a 1440p for FPS games instead of my 1080p but also if you disagree peoples money isnt your business they can buy what they want.

[@eisenklad]

my i7 6900k died early this year. 9800X3D is the most appropriate cpu that i want to use for the next 5-7 years without spending a ludicrous amount of money. i still game at 1080p and my games are mostly cpu bound. reusing my rtx3060ti. my compute load is at most 16 threads (i hit 80% utilization on my i7 6900k across all cores). i probably will disable SMT on my work days when i come home to just veg out before bed. and i will definitely undervolt the cpu. my heart still hurts when intel raised the price on the broadwell-E chips. my planned purchase of Ryzen 9800X3d , MSi mortar and 32GB of 6000mhz DDR5 ram is the same as how much i paid for just the i7 6900k when it launched. but i wasnt intel fanboy... just that ryzen 1000 was still 6 months away back then. i bought ryzen 1600 and ryzen 3600 for my friends.

[@Peter-gb4ey]

Dang it! CS:2 was thee benchmark I wanted to see 7800x3d and 9800x3d tested against each other! That's my main game and I have the 7800x3d. 1440p ultra is also the rez and settings I use! 😢

[@VicariousAdventurer]

Diplomatic - "4070 closer to what most of you are actually using"

[@FMBriggs]

I'm using a 4070 ti Super paired with 7600X in 4K and its a fairly good match with the GPU almost always being the limiting factor. Really wish the 7600X3D was available online as that would be the optimal gaming CPU for this GPU.

[@walter1824]

3:20 bro why is CS2`s 1% and 0.1% so cursed

[@sc9433]

its not accurate, because it takes into account the fps from lobby to loading screens and game.

[@ToysForTheGods]

The issue with these reviews, is no but maybe one reviewer is taking FSR and DLSS into account. Many gamers playing on 1440p and 4k, are using FSR or DLSS to get some extra frames. This puts much more stress on the CPU, and higher end CPU's will help squeeze more performance in this category. Playing games with a 4070 or a 7800xt for instance, at ultrawide or 4k especially in new titles like the hardware torture that Stalker 2 is, this makes a bigger difference. This may be demonstrated in 1080p performance to some degree, but isn't showing the bigger picture. As it is very clear that to get the most out of any game now days we are now relying on FSR and DLSS respectively.

[@therodenthitman]

I have a 3080ti Hydrocopper and a 12900k, I'm planning on getting a 5090 when they come out. I decided fuck it, i'm gonna make the switch to AM5 and a 9800x3d. I mostly play at 4k and 5120x1440 on a sim racing rig. I play some older games like assetto corsa etc on the rig so I think i'll have decent gains with the 9800 vs the 12900. (on the 5090)

[@YatoSinpaii]

I'm just getting the r9 9900x, massive deal right now compared to the +$200 on the 9800x3d from it being out of stock