Ukraine: How to Defeat the Patriot

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[@VeiledProphets]

This was more dramatic and engaging than the last three movies I paid to see. Wow!

[@Fighter4Street]

modern movies lack suspense, it has been replaced with wokism.

[@OrtonHeadXIV]

The G-force generated from these maneuvers making the pilot's every breath a struggle is quite scary ngl

[@mumbairay]

🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@Jeavylt]

​@@mumbairayHlavne že to obsluhujú žoldnieri tie vaše patrioty 😁😁😁

[@crevis12]

@@mumbairay🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@Grionlam]

@@mumbairay🇵🇸

[@Da_LuzTV]

​@@mumbairaywith out lgbt symbolics pls)

[@johnnym11]

After launching three missles on Su 34 and missed that Patriot Crew was fucked up by Iskander.

[@Samurai___Jack]

😂😂😂

[@michaelrohandodds1850]

So the Russian have first hand experience in everything

[@user-hg5gm7bj6m]

Век живи-век учись!

[@jcarvalho1500]

Lenin used to say "learn, learn, learn"

[@f1aziz]

Amount of full spectrum data points they're harvesting in Ukraine is priceless.

[@ConfusedBasketball-he5wu]

Russians have been destroying American equipment since the 60s. Including a American submarine in the Kola Peninsula

[@berlinlooks]

That also means that everyone who's friends with Russia could get this data too

[@Zul1788]

If true, This pilot is the REAL LIFE Tom Cruise. What he did by evading multiple patriot missiles is beyond incredible. Says a lot about Pilot skills.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

Evading multiple missiles in a sortie isn’t a terribly unusual occurrence. Look for the HUD video of the F-16 that dodged several Iraqi SAMs during the Gulf War. Even just for the VKS, there was probably an incident several years ago where a fighter had to evade friendly fire from Syrian SAMs

[@robrob9050]

​@@LafayetteCCurtisYou will loose stupid AGITPROP cominterna crew

[@dodomark228]

​​​@@LafayetteCCurtis most likely, Stingers were used in Iraq. So it's wrong to compare dodging a few stingers and dodging a few Patriots.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

@@dodomark228 Iraq didn’t have Stingers during the Gulf War and the missiles showed up on RWR, so they were clearly radar-guided. The AAR concluded that they were mostly a combination of obsolete SA-3 (S-125) and then-modern SA-6 (the Kub-forgot the Russian number), neither of which would have been particularly easy to dodge (in fact, another F-16 was shot down by an SA-3 in the same mission).

[@greggemerer8251]

@@LafayetteCCurtisthe Kub wasn’t really modern even then. Early Buks had already superseded it for about a decade. The Iraqis had no decent modern integrated AD, nor well trained operators. It was like clubbing baby seals.

[@merocaine]

There was a part of the exchange that didn't make it into the video. Air Controller "manoeuvre, manoeuvre!" Pilot "I am (grunt) fucking manoeuvring!"

[@exharkhun5605]

What the controller is doing reminds me of what civilian air traffic controllers are also trained to do during in-flight emergencies: Provide helpful and relevant information, making sure not to hog the crew's attention. Don't demand feedback, whenever a question isn't answered, ask it again in a few moments time. Always think from the current moment, don't create action-chains where something is dependent on an earlier action that may have been missed or is no longer relevant.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Good point!

[@davidh3985]

​@@Millennium7HistoryTechWhy do you think this is real and not made up russian propaganda? You didn't even mention the possibility? Chillin for russia?

[@andrearisso4792]

Exactly!

[@robrob9050]

I was all time convinced that difference between Russian and NATO is that Russian pilots are "controlled" without substantional autonomy, but this is like assistance from AWACS, another myth busted.

[@borism4629]

@exharkhun5605 it does look like that's the best way to deal with crisis, ask the questions later, when there is time to analyse.

[@alispeed5095]

Fuck! this is intense!

[@user-dm7ql4sh3z]

Shit must feel like someone telling you whilst swimming in the sea "there is a shark near you, swim closer towards the shore".

[@gusramos3620]

Yup. It's scary getting locked up and fired upon even in DCS

[@saadman920]

@@user-dm7ql4sh3z and the number of shark is 4

[@Battlenude]

@@alispeed5095 Did bitchin Olga say Over G or Over speed??

[@VeiledProphets]

Hell yeah! The hairs on my arms were standing.

[@abdosoliman]

listening to this gives you chills. this is life or death and flying an fighter Jet is so physically demanding it's insane.

[@JIUNnF]

Крепкость кровеносных сосудов, сетчатки и тестикул в частности.

[@JIUNnF]

Крепкость кровеносных сосудов, сетчатки и тестикул в частности.

[@TheBranchez]

My dear friend, the biggest kudos should be given to the Russian channel "fighterbomber" who published the original audio . . .

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Unfortunately I didn't know

[@TheBranchez]

@Millennium7HistoryTech all is good my friend, I just thought it worth mentioning. It is very hard to find the source these days anyway. I follow quite a lot of Russian sources on any platform possible, but unfortunately most people do not care to do so. They want and love their information filtered and chewed up for them by the MSM. Ofc this is not referring to you, obviously! Just a little rant on my part.

[@jannegrey593]

Agreed

[@therealzefto]

Thanks for citing the original source. Is the channel you're referring to a Telegram channel ?

[@jannegrey593]

@@therealzefto It's a Russian KZbin channel that has presence on telegram. It's quite popular platform in countries of former Soviet Union. Hence why Ukraine and Russia use it. But yes, said channel literally has in it's description that he is "Russian fighter-bomber".

[@vonvonvonvonvonvonvonvonvo7009]

M7, I think the reason the pilot began acting as if he could "see" the missile is because he was told heading, speed, altitude and regularly updated ranges, there is also likely that, he wasn't responding exactly on point because he was busy executing what the controller was telling him to do, and would reply after being repeated to.

[@squid11160]

Aviate, navigate, communicate - in that order, and that's what the pilot did

[@Milvus_In_Excelsis]

If you can see the missle you can defeat it

[@j4genius961]

​@@Milvus_In_Excelsis If you can see the missile you're probably dead

[@StrangerHappened]

Also, Su-34 has equipment to track incoming threats, it can see itself, starting from a certain distance

[@Milvus_In_Excelsis]

@@j4genius961 not at all. It's the ones that you don't see that shoots you down.

[@pilotmanpaul]

Holy Jesus, Four Patriot Missiles?! The Pilots and the Controller did a phenominal and Godly job here. Professional, collected, and most of all, got back home alive.

[@ilhamnumber]

3 not 4

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

It would be extremely unlikely that all of the missiles were fired at that particular aircraft, but they certainly were in the air at the time.

[@mast_g]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug all were fired at that one su-34. There is a sim. video as well.

[@mark-ut3pm]

​@@Laotzu.Goldbugdon't forget thr aircraft most likely equipped with some kind of EW jamming pod. Because Flares are limited both in numbers and capabilities to thwart missiles

[@robertblake4006]

3 rockets.

[@MatyasFrank-bf7cv]

Aviate, navigate, communicate in this exact sequence. The pilot did everything right. The ground control saw the missiles on radar, making the pilot react before any rwr pings. The pilot could have seen the missile via data link, but when you are making constant high G turns Im sure the callouts were helpful to ease the load on the pilot

[@RaNc0R]

Finally someone with correct protocols.

[@rontobungoluciano7298]

holy f***, in russian is "ni huya se" is an emotional conclusion when something happened and is already over by the time of saying, expressing a complete surprise by a magnitude of events. possibly it is because they just avoided several (4?) patriot missiles.

[@collinsoconnor5843]

Ni huya nakui suka

[@perfectcell1157]

This is even more impressive than the F16 evading SAMs in iraq when you consider the Sukhoi is heavier and the patriots are a more advanced missile system

[@RobertMayfair]

Su-34 is a great aircraft.

[@stupidburp]

They are okay. Better than the older models they are meant to replace. But not able to approach anywhere close to air defenses without getting into a desperate situation like this.

[@bigmungus4864]

@@stupidburpno 4 generation aircraft is not not getting caught. This was a fighter bomber. And it did a great job at evading. The crew also did a great job. And the aircraft performed impeccably. So no I wouldn’t say it’s any worse. It’s a super maneuverable bomber. Not a fighter jet.

[@Levon_RnD]

​@@stupidburpYou forget one thing, this situation probably was desperate for the patriot too, the Russians are not a bunch of guys in slippers. The Patriot tracking the targets and firing was at a great risk of being smoked itself.

[@alanloyd7164]

​@stupidburp lol you've played too many video games. No modern warplane can fly directly in to airspace that has modern air defenses. That's why NATO has fancy stand off cruise missiles like scalp and jassm.

[@stupidburp]

80km engagement demonstrated the limits of this aircraft to approach air defenses. Semi stealthy aircraft can approach within 60km with external stores. Fully stealthy aircraft with internal stores can approach within 40km. Reducing those engagement ranges can potentially allow a safe flight path between air defense sites or getting closer to air defenses before releasing weapons load, increasing the penetration of such weapons into adversary controlled areas. Su-34 can approach closer than old aircraft such as Su-24, or Mig-31 that have been used in the conflict in Ukraine for ground strikes with long range missiles. But only by a modest additional distance.

[@717pixels9]

The original audio in Russian was posted on KZbin a couple of weeks ago (Fighterbomber channel)

[@d.o.5238]

a month ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/fp2oYqqlbs6ShK8

[@downundergarage6968]

Su-34 is one of my fav planes of all times.. such a great classic 80s engineering. Not stealth in sight but a great looking plane.

[@wakko454]

And now it's clear why the Russians still prioritize maneuverability. And the Su-34 is a heavy aircraft, an Su-35 or Su-57 would have a much easier time doing the evasion.

[@sodinc]

34 is still really manoeuvrable for a bomber, but yeah

[@phelansa23]

@@wakko454 at the end of the day it is all about the kinematic performance of the missile vs the actions of the pilot. I agree, the more manoeuvrable the aircraft, the better its chances. Keep in mind, even the aircraft has limits to its ability to sustain energy in manoeuvring. They both bleed energy during manoeuvres. Who runs out of energy first, that is the important question.

[@youmad7068]

In 1999. Serbian Air Defenses shoot down F117 and hit one more, they also shoot down one F16 and hit one more. Crews of S125 Neva that made those hits were asked about experience, they sad F16 was easier to find on radar but way harder to shoot down because pilots knew how to outmaneuver AA missiles, they also had anti-radar missiles witch made things even worse because crews of Neva had to turn of radars in 30 second window or get return fire, it takes 23 seconds for Neva missile to get to max distance, and there is to little time for second shoot and with old tech they had they could only guide one missile at the time on target. F117 were flying bricks, once it gets in missile range it is game over, they have no way to outmaneuver incoming missile. Anyway that is one of the things that Russia learned out of this war, prioritize maneuverability over stealth.

[@Hypernefelos]

@@youmad7068 Given that the only way the Serbs were able to counter stealth was to rely on totally predictable flight patterns, spies in Italy, weather that didn't permit SEAD flights, and a lot of luck to catch that F-117 with its bomb bays open, the Russians may have learned the wrong lesson...

[@redford4ever]

@@Hypernefelos They learned from a W to perform a W. "but maybe it's a loss" sounds like copium. I mean even if you're right there are more self aware way to put that argument.

[@garukato]

Кстати, эту батарею Патриот после накрыли. Наши пегасы красавцы 💪

[@davidh5903]

That controller is getting a case of vodka for sure, pheew.

[@swisstestpilot]

Or get a worthy watch as gift for helping safe a combat aircraft. In soviet times for such actions the military top bras was giving presents like watches, bonus (money) or holiday (probably in Sochi) as rewards to the serviceman.

[@davidh5903]

@@swisstestpilot That seems appropriate, I know I wouldn't be averse to getting a nice watch for the guy that guided me away from death in this way.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

These aren't the 90s anymore, people aren't drinking vodka like it's water and aren't treating it as some kind of precious resource. By alcohol consumption per capita Russia is behind Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Poland, UK, etc

[@Rick8191-tv8pg]

I'm surprised there jets can take off with the weight of the pilots balls.

[@mhamedeid1228]

@@Rick8191-tv8pg he flies an aircraft designed with maneuver bais

[@The_Dark_Lord-69]

​not really, Su34s are bombers. They are not really designed for dogfights.@@mhamedeid1228

[@sentar_dv]

Su-34 have very powerful engines. After dropping bombs it can maneuver even with pilots balls.

[@StraussBR]

Wow pure gold this material

[@Robert-um2vb]

Do we even know it is real?

[@borism4629]

That was very intense .

[@hobbypriester2252]

Eine wunderschöne Maschine, dieser SU 34. Wünsche den russischen Piloten viel Kraft und Erfolg!

[@KBKriechbaum]

russenbot wünscht Erfolg beim Zivilisten Bombardieren. Normale Menschen wünschen Abschuss des Russenflugzeugs.

[@TheDarkOne]

Possibly the pilot was seeing the missile on the RWR display. Because of the range being about 80 km, that could be a PAC3 missile, which has an active radar guidance and will show on the RWR.

[@Marcellogo]

No, at such a distance the Active inboard radar is NOT for sure still activated and the missile is directed biy intermediate guidance correction sent by the main search antenna. Original Patriots used a TVM guidance, a clever system not requiring a prior illumination with the CW of the target to launch so that it was the controller to forewarn the Su-34 of launch. I didn't think it was a PAC-3 however as they were the small missiles (a pack of tour instead than the original single one) that are used for anti ballistic.-cruise missile interception

[@robertkalinic335]

@@TheDarkOne Fox 3 dont work on active radar at long range, they wouldn't see the target. Inertial navigation with datalink or active illumination from the launch platform until the missile comes close enough where the on board radar can see the target.

[@TheDarkOne]

Thats correct, but as I listened the audio, there was a moment when the pilot stopped responding to the air control, thats when I think he started pulling high G turns to drain the missile energy. I guess that the distance at that point would be less than 20-30km, so at that distance the active guidance could effectively lock on.

[@TheDarkOne]

Basically thats why I commented about about the missile possibly being a PAC-3. It would make sense regarding range and regarding that the pilot stopped responding to the air control. At that point he would see the direction from where the missile is coming and also the radiation power from its guidance radar.

[@williamzk9083]

The PAC-2 TVM track via missile is unlikely to provide an alert. It’s not really semi active homing. PAC-3 only turns on very close to target. It flies out on inertial.

[@GM-xk1nw]

The missile did not know where it was

[@petterskjolden6884]

And therefore not knowing where it is.

[@Battlenude]

@@GM-xk1nw The pilot felt the explosion behind him. Pretty close.

[@skillibeng5838]

Great observation... Russian tech is amazing

[@ReineDedeurwaerder-Sulmo-rz9cz]

😂

[@Mr.mysterious76]

​@@petterskjolden6884 because it didn't know where it wasn't

[@aero_cats]

Bro did not skip the G-force class lesson

[@jkl9984]

Could be that pilots were too preoccupied with the launch of their own weapons, to notice a patriot launch. But it's an extremely interesting show of missile evasion done in the real world, and not in games like DCS.

[@whitescar2]

As stated, the Patriot can fire without necessarily alerting the target plane. And you're not seeing a missile launch at 80km

[@jkl9984]

@@whitescar2 Not with eyes, but if you have an A-50 in the air, it will.

[@whitescar2]

@@jkl9984 I mean, that's literally the point...

[@jkl9984]

@@whitescar2 A-50 has datalink to all the allied jets in the air. Which is my point there. They saw it on their screens but didn't immediately react because they were preoccupied.

[@justacomment1657]

​@@whitescar2Patriot can fire without a radar? That is interesting 🤔

[@ohuanasis]

The Su-34's jet fighter heritage significantly enhances its missile evasion capabilities, and in this case it is a good example of how this capability paid off. Had it been a purely bomber aircraft, it would not have survived this mission.

[@waltercarcamo191]

Porque no soltó no un misil fue lo k paso

[@V12F1Demon]

Damage was caused due to extreme Gs as detailed in another telegram channel. No damage to the airframe besides being pushed to extremes.

[@NickyDekker89]

No Russians were harmed during the making of this video. Intense stuff!

[@williamzk9083]

Pity

[@mkdock]

​@@williamzk9083Pity that your mother gave birth to you

[@williamzk9083]

@@mkdock Russia is a curse upon the world

[@phelansa23]

It is easy to forget that there are human beings at the other end of those radar scopes. Good video, thank you.

[@whitescar2]

It's easy to forget those voices were there to kill human lives for the purpose of expanding their territory, which is already the largest on the planet.

[@leight420]

@@whitescar2actually they are there to protect ukraine and Russia from usa imperialism and globalism

[@luuk341]

If said human beings dont want to get shot at by patriot missiles, said human beings have the option to stay in their own country, free of any SAMS coming their way

[@sahilmeena8018]

way too easy going by the comments on posts of Russian soldiers losing their lives.

[@youmad7068]

There was a moment in the video/audio when onboard computer warned pilot that he is illuminated, probably by missile active radar, so from that point on he probably knows were the missile/s are.

[@ImJustVale]

PAC1/2 only rely on Ground Radar Illumination.

[@robrob9050]

​@@ImJustValeThat's significant weakness.

[@ImJustVale]

@@robrob9050 No? Considering the speed of the missile, it’s not. Plus, Patriot is effective and has shot down many Су-34s before.

[@robrob9050]

@@ImJustVale It is weakness against peer adversary with significant SIGINT capacity plus missiles, these systems cannot move in matters of minutes. They area lucky that Russians do not have SEAD capability.

[@ImJustVale]

@@robrob9050 Cope, if they're so bad, why did they down so many Russian planes? :)

[@georgemancuso9597]

Aircraft crew and controler operated in a professioal manner. How come so many patriots were fired with out a hit? Is this common?

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

I think so.

[@Rick8191-tv8pg]

For most targets its usually 2 missiles per target , but they often use more because some Russian missiles can't be shot down or shot down easily. There was probably 2 jets flying together.

[@92HazelMocha]

Yes. Especially at those ranges. Missile was detected at 40nm, which means it was fired well beyond that, at the limits of Patriot's range. Initially the aircraft was headed in the direction of the battery, which was optimal for the battery, despite the range, but the Su34 began maneuvering massively reducing the effectiveness of the missile, and eventually headed away from the battery making interception impossible. This is a good demonstration of how ineffective missiles can become when the target goes evasive or turns cold.

[@aachoocrony5754]

​@@Rick8191-tv8pg(Patriots can't shoot down missiles)

[@The_ZeroLine]

M7 says himself he has no idea how many planes or missiles were fired. He can’t even tell how many planes there are. It does seem like he’s become a big fan of trying to assign the lowest possible performance for all US systems while calling any non-US aircraft like Turkey’s new jet a masterpiece despite it never even having flown yet.

[@andrejmucic5003]

Very educational. Great work Otis’ daddy!

[@marlonguzman2713]

They were so calm until the patriot launch alert, that deep breath had so much emotion into it

[@kathrynck]

Su-34 has fore & aft radar. Wouldn't need a data link to see a missile behind it when it gets close enough to track with it's own radars.

[@Max_Da_G]

That's not the case. Russians didn't specify the tail-warning radar. There is an APU there.

[@DE_LEZ2222]

Really interesting topic. 1 : How importance of modern combat aircraft with Datalink (4++ Gen including Gripen E , Rafale , SU35s , F16 70 71) which help pilot know missile coming from ground station radar or AWACS 2 : “speculate” Speed , Range of Patriot Missile (in Ukraine) 3: “Maneuverability” of Su34 (sound of pilot seem like 6-8g) My personal view “Stealth with Situation awareness= game changer in modern warfare. But we still don’t know exactly range of modern Radar how far it can detect/lock . Also Stealth means Sacrificed some payload as a tradeoff.” Seem-like New Gripen E Smart user-interface will helpful in this situation so pilot can see direction / speed missile coming via datalink.

[@rajaydon1893]

Does the f16 70 71 have a significant reduction in rcs? If not i wouldn't put it in the 4++ category with the su35 an gripen

[@Cyphxn]

@@rajaydon1893 if its stealthy with gen 4++ internals it'd be a 5th gen.

[@Gurubashy]

L band radar can detect stealth, basically it will get a return back but won't be able to give a precise position and calculate speed and direction easily. Yet this still can be resolved by launching a missile like the patriot does where it manouvers towards the target by using data link and inertial guidance going to the rough area where the L band radar sends and once it's close enough it switches to the onboard radar to track. Stealth aircraft are still visible from close distances.

[@dexlab7539]

That was AWESOME!!! Absolutely amazing audio. That you for sharing, learned so much from this

[@francescozambaldi8212]

This is another confirmation of the agility of a Su-34, its pretty fast and agile for a bomber

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

And why are we acting like American planes aren't all agile? Lol. Even the F-15E bomber is still an F-15 and can maneuver well. The F/A-18 Super Hornet is used as a bomber and is VERY maneuverable, more so than the SU34. Like why are we acting like that's impressive? It's not

[@ebiekem]

​@@ObiWanShinobi917 did anyone say anything about American fighterjets or bombers here?

[@MikeisaGoob]

​@ebiekem no Americans just get really butthurt whenever the topic isint about glazing America

[@boikanyoonneng9170]

Su34 outmaneuvers the FA18..​@@ObiWanShinobi917

[@francescozambaldi8212]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 what you are saying makes no sense. First i didnt even talked about us planes. Second, su34 is a bomber, the f18 and f15e are multi role fighter bombers

[@RichardHinds-qs2mi]

Much better analysis that “movers” thanks

[@makovikk6153]

Hi, the original video was in the telegram channel of a former Soviet/Russian su-24 or 34 pilot with the name "fighterbomber"

[@quovadis6249]

Thanks a lot, for interesting content 👍👍👍 Regards from México 🇲🇽

[@supersanta4059]

Pilots get back to base and the engineer ask, "What did you do today?" One of the pilot answered: I defeated 16mil dollars of murican tax.

[@MrCampasaurus]

And had to change their pants because they were scared enough to poop themselves. BTW i thought all American technology was "overpriced junk" you don't have to worry about? Seemed like this guy was plenty worried.

[@rontobungoluciano7298]

american taxpayers money is the least thing they thought about, believe me.

[@guyd7924]

@@MrCampasaurus I would like to see you handling 6-8 g`s. You would shit your brains out

[@lazaarclubb6981]

​@@MrCampasaurus "change their pants because they were scared enough to poop themselves" HAHA At least those pilots have the guts to face real danger. What's your excuse for being a keyboard warrior? You could say the same about aMeRiCaN pilots who had to face the exact same danger before, you're really an immature if that's how you think of fighter pilots.

[@MrCampasaurus]

@@lazaarclubb6981 Interesting. When i read comments from rUsSiAn commenters on the F-16 dodging 6 SAM's in Iraq they had the same thing to say. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other person though, eh?

[@jo03rsxs]

Amazing to hear this as it happened! Very informative 👍🏻

[@marioq70]

In addition, there was news that a counter-battery destroyed a Patriot system these days, I don't know if it was this same battery, or if it was another one.

[@hksp]

those pac3 crew got kaput by mr islander HE and iskander M

[@ghostmourn]

The pilots relief is audible at 6:30 😊

[@steelrad6363]

Thank you for your video. That was very interesting, and the relief of the pilots was palpable!

Especially when you understand Russian and listen to the uncensored version.

[@davem1513]

Excellent presentation. I think the pilot was obviously experienced and kept his cool enough to be effective. The only thing I found odd was his “speed”statement….He may have been referring to the closing speed of the missile not his aircraft speed,I doubt an S-24 can fly at Mach 3.3 let alone juke at that speed. Great peek at a real combat situation with the understanding that success is questionable and staying with his training whether the “director” was giving him the course corrections correctly. Good job bringing reality rather than theory to a real life encounter that actually involves life or death.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

An excellent presentation would give the communication in messenger format, not show then for a second and hide them :)

[@hemendraravi4787]

mach 3.3 was the speed of patriot missile at 2500m

[@stupidburp]

Yeah no way this aircraft was flying at Mach 3.3. Maybe Mach 1.8 at high altitude and Mach 1.2 at low altitude while moving straight and level. This aircraft was evasive and therefore bleeding energy at maximum g limits while turning. The speed stated was likely for a Patriot missile.

[@vonbennett6545]

The title of the video is “how to defeat a Patriot” those men almost died. It’s a misleading at best.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

@@vonbennett6545 defeating a missile is a technical term.

[@letsbuildtogether1995]

At 3:55 We are talking about what speed the Su-34 gained during the turn and descent. Namely 2,000 km/h. After a few seconds, RITA says that the speed is maximum. later, due to the maneuver, the speed of the Su-34 decreased to 1800

[@Ph3NiX80]

God that is intense and the kind of real life videos we want to see and hear. Good job Millenium 7 . And good job Russian aviation.

[@lucdelhaize4029]

Man that was intense; those pilots are going to have recurring nightmares for a long, long time! 😮

[@stevannikolovski]

SU-34 evades patriot, F-16 cannot evade patriot...🤣

[@jerrymail]

4 Patriots to damage an intercom ? Very effective.

[@krstemukovski4953]

This a war on another level, not seen for 70+ years. F maverick and similar movies. This was more intense in 5 minutes than all of the holiwood movies about war planes. Also, these are the most savage fights in the skyes since ww2, PERIOD. We will see most of the footage when the war is over, and it will be an eye oppener for a lot of keyboard wariors

[@paul_london]

Avoided 4 total, pilot skills are insane

[@christopherchartier3017]

It’s a cool video. For anyone wondering- no, this doesn’t mean patriot is easy to avoid, nor does it describe an exact method on how to defeat a patriot or anything. It’s just a cool vid of a pilot’s efforts to avoid a SAM that launched on him. Cool video Edit: What I mean is, the pilot performed general evasion techniques to beat the patriot missile(s). This applies to all kinds of SAM systems, not just patriot, and is incredibly unlikely to work 100% of the time. So while this video doesn’t necessarily diminish the very real threat that the patriot system poses for Russian aircraft, it does show a bit how difficult it is to avoid SAMs in general, specifically when you’re in a fighter bomber like the Su-34

[@redford4ever]

It's a video of someone using a method that happen to defeat several patriots but somehow that isn't a method to defeat a patriot. Roger.

[@dm1i]

This video doesn't give an impression that this was easy. Missile was close.

[@mikexhotmail]

@@dm1i Indeed. It surely not a simple vector bleeding the missile. It sounds more like a emergency hitting the deck then perform nonstop maximum G banking perhaps with afterburner.

[@92HazelMocha]

​@@redford4everThis is the standard method to evade Sam's in general that every pilot knows (or should know).

[@christopherchartier3017]

@@92HazelMocha this is what I mean

[@Registered_Simp]

43 NM launch at medium altitudes and still barely lived after all that defending. That is one scary missile. If the controller hadn't have caught that missile right as it launched, that Su-34 would be toast. Wouldn't make sense for the Patriot operators to launch 4 missiles at one target, so my guess would probably be two interceptors for two aircraft in the formation.

[@CryptoEvents777]

The Su-34 is equipped with a stern radar. I saw an interview with a Su-34 pilot a few days ago. He says that sometimes during a combat mission they detect a Patriot air defense launch, but manage to fly away before the missile reaches their plane

[@jannegrey593]

@@CryptoEvents777 You don't exactly want to light up that radar though. You want to give least amount of emissions possible and receive updates from datalink. Not to mention that most SAM's will not be firing on receding targets. It cuts down the range to (rule of thumb) 1/3rd or less. So most engagements will be against planes coming towards the SAM site - like happened here.

[@wkrapek]

FOUR?!!!!

[@Battlenude]

we don't really know. But i think two for sure.

[@sodinc]

Yes, Patriot has 4 missiles

[@AMOUREDD]

New version has more battery

[@The_ZeroLine]

Again, M7 says himself he has no idea how many planes or missiles were fired.

[@Battlenude]

@@AMOUREDD you mean TEL's. Ukraine does not have many TEL's on each battery. And their stock of missile does not magical pop out of their iscream plant.. Anyway, two missile per jet is realistic. Ukr have done these double ripple launch many time

[@edc1569]

The stress on those air frames! Mad

[@robertkalinic335]

I remember some long presentation video from the people flying in constant peg program, they were doing the soviet controller/pilot combo in dogfights and thats how controllers role was presented there. He is painting the picture for the pilot while pilot decides what to do, since then i was always wondering if the soviet system wasn't kinda misrepresented in the west because this is obviously pretty useful. I am sure soviets were flying like robots normally but in contact with enemy, its plain impossible for controller to guide pilot just from radar and he will be forced into advisory position. I had no idea awacs can track missiles like that, i have seen amraams homing on missiles in dcs or just getting missile locked with su27 radar by accident but this pretty wild, better than just rwr by longshot.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

It is my impression too. Do you have the link to that video?

[@robertkalinic335]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4rdo3WGjLp4l5Ysi=sX6NRVmcFuEoEyVU I hope its that, if the guy talks about pentagon general calling him Gaylord or smtng like that, its correct.

[@robertkalinic335]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4rdo3WGjLp4l5Ysi=sX6NRVmcFuEoEyVU

[@robertkalinic335]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech Col Gail Peg, Constant Peg and the Red Eagles. I tried link twice, comments just disappeared.

[@KorbenDalasCZ]

the radar operator in the USSR or Russia guides the pilot to the area where the target is, then everything is up to the pilot. On the ground radar, the target and own aircraft are already so close to each other that the operator cannot distinguish the exact mutual position. The accuracy of surveillance radars in the distance is 1 degree in azimuth and approx. 200-400m in distance, it depends on the type of radar, frequency and other aspects. Therefore, the aircraft is not hindered by the ground operator in the area and already operates alone in the target area, the ground operator maximally provides it with information about distant targets, for example that other aircraft are approaching it or in this case Patriot missiles.

[@mbielchris]

Notching is not done to deplete the missiles energy btw, it's used to try and convince the missile's tracking radar you're part of the terrain and lose the lock, you can search for videos where people explain and show this on DCS

[@mylifeforaiur-hr7gf]

Amazing work by the pilot and controller

[@fidem15893]

Very interesting audio. And your video too. I think that Growling Sidewinder and\or Longshot will make a DCS video on this topic asap.

[@lancemurdoc6744]

Yeah this would become another legendary video.

[@groucho1080p]

or showtime112

[@lancemurdoc6744]

The breathing of the pilot is really frightening...you can almost hear the g-force.

[@BOZ_11]

If GS did a video, the patriot battery would have 100% hit rate 😂😂

[@vonvonvonvonvonvonvonvonvo7009]

Why would anyone want a growling sidewinder video on this? The guy's an idiot.

[@berserker6341]

Great analysis as always! That pilots make the "not today" and "behind enemy lines" in real life, insane. Automatically i needed to replicate that on DCS.

[@nicolasroirand8011]

Bonjour , merci . Incroyable ! Le Su 34 et les pilotes sont vraiment bons .

[@1988jeffy]

How physically exhausting would this be? This seems an incredibly long time for this degree of exertion. To maintain that muscle tone, the contractions - thats like a maximal effort sprint... but repeatedly spanning minutes. He'd be beyond tired.

[@silentone11111111]

Another great vid with no bs flag waving ❤

[@nazirmohammedsani4707]

God bless you for this explanation

[@michaelguerin56]

Thank you.

[@tovarish_kommandir]

The motherland appreciates the information comrade

[@SeanHogan_frijole]

You don’t need to know Russian to understand 6:03

[@peivz]

Seriously interesting video! I thought su-34 max speed was 2400km/h? So from audio, they were going 4000km/h AND manuevering at that speed? If thats correct its actually insane... Also is this one of the reasons Russia puts such emphasis for maneuverability for their aircraft, for this sort of missile dodging? Or its just any plane can do what su-34 did there from West aswell, as thrust vectoring wouldnt have given any advantage at these speeds? EDIT: Thanks for replies, I missunderstood. It was the missile speed.

[@thegoodstorm1440]

That was missile that went 4000km/h (watch small red subtitles under the phrase)

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

No, it was the missile, not the aircraft.

[@mitchellcouchman1444]

It notes the 4000km was the missile

[@Battlenude]

Su-34M has max speed 1.900km/h due to fixed inlets. But in order to reach those speed, it have to fly really high up. So it safe to say it flew around 1.000-1.200 or there about. Its not about speed, its about timing your evade turns

[@robertkalinic335]

No its the missile that is going the missile doing missile.

[@Taketimeout3]

So manoeuvrability is still an important asset in any aircraft. And it is still as difficult a word to spell.

[@matthewmiller8297]

Dude, that's visceral. Wow.

[@AsteroSSB]

So, it doesn't quite work out like in the American movies, does it?

[@annawood725]

thats a nice intelligent hardwork from the Russians, very commendable. the pilot can't see the patriot launched because of the radar on the SU, the controller need to tell whats coming and from what angle. at least the SU was on the run to safety instead of facing the patriot.. good work for both controller and pilot

[@geeussery8849]

wow, that was awesome.

[@RMJTOOLS]

One thing I noticed was the forced breathing from the pilots. This would indicate a lot of high G maneuvering.

[@MegaPopilu]

That a Patriot cannot catch a Su34, which is a bomber, speaks very badly of the Patriot or very well of the Su34 and its pilots! This audio is intense, it makes your fingers twitch with tension! Impressive war documentation!

[@merocaine]

The range was pretty long, the probability of a hit against an aware target would be low. However the launch did force the pilots to dump bombs and break off the attack. Which probably meant and aborted ground assault of an ammo dump or command position living to fight another day.

[@MegaPopilu]

@@merocaine Sorry but the objective of an anti-aircraft rocket is always to destroy the aerial target, so that it will be one less attacking the next day. And the patriot did not succeed. Congratulations to the designers of the Su34 and its pilots.

[@beProsto]

@@MegaPopilu You were just explained why the objective is not always to destroy the target and you just ignore it only to try and push some kind of an agenda?-

[@a10warthog4]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHXClqGVrduGrLc

[@ddvrt4046]

Patriot missiles are good weapons but they are easily identifiable !

[@peterweller8583]

Wow thanks for the feed great stuff.

[@OnLyFuN1306]

Pilots and commanders obtain information on weapon systems and how they work by various means. Knowing that patriot systems are operated by Ukraine of course Russia will search all over for info about the system and then work a plan to counter. In a video about the Falklands war a British sailor said the Argentine pilots knew how to approach and attack the ships avoiding the radar and missiles, another evidence that high command of any military can get their hands on good details about a weapon

[@spetsru2906]

Chances are there was a SU-35 who could see it with his radar and was assisting. If this was more current, that is 100% as they all fly with CAP cover now.

[@Nacionarg]

Patriot failed probably because the missile knew where it was instead of knowing where it was not, so not knowing where it was not means it knew where it was, and where it was minus where it was means it didn't know where it was because everywhere is where it was not.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

😂

[@lk9650]

How much each Patriot missile is worth? Like $5 million? And they fired 4 of them!

[@Jondoe18702]

Yeah blimey, intense.

[@robertblake4006]

This is not ground control, but A-50 AWACS. They are able to track radars and rockets. And no, Patriot sees 300m aeral targets at 80km range.

[@hajtomjones4077]

The PIlot likely saw the missile on the double back Mirror which really helps him visualize the situation.

[@Battlenude]

i could be mistaken, but Su-34 do not have back mirror, Flankers do.

[@ernestoherreralegorreta137]

It was then that he noticed the "Objects are closer than they appear" label printed on the mirrors... ;-D

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

That's piloting. - Septimus Pyecroft

[@rodiculous9464]

Iskander is working nicely

[@basila33]

yep. we already saw some examples of evasion maneuvers made be Patriot launchers from Iskander missiles. All of them failed :)

[@prof.tahseen6104]

You know it's time to finally watch a video when it's thumbnail gets changed.

[@jonasdauerbrenner6432]

how much does a patriot missile cost? kinda expensive to fire 4 rockets or not?

[@alexfischer7554]

Для Украины это было бесплатно 😁

[@717pixels9]

More importantly, the Patriot radar was likely detected and destroied.

[@steveortiz1026]

@@alexfischer7554 for the us tax payer not so much

[@Cheesy_Garlic_Bread]

Imo the person who’s life is on the line has the final say in with what happens. If the controller says go right, and it’s my life on the line and left looks like I can get more cover, I’m going left. I’ll let it be known to the controller, but it’s my life I’ll fight my way out of it the best I see. Props to the controller for just relaying useful info and making suggestions instead of micromanaging.

[@seven7ns]

Patriots are special good at aiming at rockets/ missiles with a fixed flight path and even then then can miss.

[@moonbear2130]

If he’s evading it’s not a fixed flight path, just yesterday a video appeared of a su-34 pilot filming himself parachuting and his falling su-34 over southern kherson

[@TenylegMinekez-uc7co]

Exactly the opposite.

[@prkic2]

I don't think that the pilot saw the missile. The IR or UV sensors on the plane picked it up most likely, and maybe radar.

[@onogrirwin]

An Su-34 shot down about 3 days worth of the US production capacity for Patriot missiles.

[@du5707]

Naah. It's about 30 missiles to 1 jet in cost.

[@romanberkutov2592]

точно точно? А то украина их сотнями сбивает... правда на словах

[@redford4ever]

​@@du5707The Su-34 is still there, missiles are not. That's always the winning tradeoff.

[@benanders4412]

@@du5707 The battery alone costs about $1bn and every missile about $4m. Then there are some other costs to keep it operational. So it's not just the cost of one missile alone. It's a expensive weapons platform. It's not really cost effective. It wasn't designed to be cost effective in the first place. One SU-34 costs about $36m. Then there are some other costs. So let's say $40m. So theoretically 10 missiles for 1 SU-34. But most missiles are not shot at airplanes. In practice the are mostly used against missiles and drones. Who cost much less. So looking purely at the cost of the system it's very expensive to buy and use compared to airplanes. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a place on the battlefield. The fear of the patriot missile system alone has value. It makes the enemy more reluctant to use airplanes in the first place. So that's a win.

[@Marcellogo]

@@redford4ever Have the Su-34 dropped its own payload? Problem is that if you shoot you risk to be located and receive an Iskander as a reward for trying, regardless from the result.

[@MrDomingo55]

They created SU34 as side by side dual seat plane from SU27. It would be nice if they stretched it to have seating for four and sell it for VIP and commercial use! They could also dispense with thick titanium shell that protects pilots. Main downside is that engines were designed for military use and fuel consumption would be excessive.

[@MrDomingo55]

I wonder if SU34 still carried its glide bombs during these evasive maneuvers?

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

I think so because they never mention ejecting them.

[@sheeftz]

They will drop anything if it gives an additional 0.1% to survive. Including fuel.

[@sentar_dv]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech According to origin of this audio "Fighterbomber" channel, glide bombs was dropped at preordered targets. Otherwise bombs would be jettisoned - it's common procedure, when it comes to jet and crew survival.