Ultimate Midrange Shootout - in depth analysis

[@ralphlongo1975]

That Scanspeak driver is very impressive, this whole video was absolutely amazing

[@johnd5542]

I have the 10f...its fn great!

[@remifassol4198]

It's been known to be quite good for a while, now at last we have data to back it up!

[@HarryHaller861]

Cual modelo es el testeado de los 10f?

[@begalajbeg4074]

By far the best car audio yt channel

[@rajasekhar9840]

Man you did so much work 🙏, To be honest audio community is very lucky to have people like you.

[@sicklaser]

Nice work Nerijus. Pat on the back for such a big job. Cheers!

[@leif8436]

This video was so helpful and I think I speak for a lot of people with that. I already own the Scan 10f and it was definitely nice to see that is performs so well compared to others. I think for the price its an absolutely killer of a driver.

[@rideordivekerry4830]

You deserve many more followers, this is a lot of work

[@marke293]

Thanks for spending the time to cary out these test. I am happy to see My current set up which has the Lavoce in a pillar build fair very well against very high quality drivers. I am very happy with how they sound

[@Motymott99]

this video is just an amazing attribute to the sq communtiy . thank you so much !!

[@freddutt100]

Thanks for a huge work done! Love it. Didnt read all of the comments but would have loved to see a fallow up test with dls, morel, ai-sonic, focal, helix, rebec, xselsus

[@tommyshoe-star1426]

since a while you hear a lot of people talking in the german DIY-scene and YT-Podcasts about the "Le Petit" from Jean Hiraga using a fostex wideband driver only. as usual my highest respect for doing all that stuff + sharing data for other people for free need to checkout the lavoce, hopefully you can grab these as private person too

[@matthewcrampton5523]

Awesome video, really appreciate the advice and time your putting in. Learning loads from your channel.

[@Dipesh.303]

Extremely good work, this is going to help so many of us. Thank you, Nerijus.😊

[@elviscaragea4433]

Thanks!

[@RAW-CAt]

Thank you😊

[@GustavoRocha-gy1rf]

Thank you for this amazing test man 🎉

[@darrylperks6730]

Kudos to you for completing all of this work, very impressive. I've been using the Scanspeak 10M which is the automotive version of the 10F for a few years now and am just in the process of installing it in the A pillars in the new car along with some Morel tweeters to fill in the top end.

[@valentinguz]

You are the best great work! Thanks

[@robdavies3188]

Massive effort. Thank you for your hard work. And so glad that I have a pair of Scan 10F's sitting here for my next project.

[@justkiddin1980]

Have you heard about Mark Audio drivers?? I know most aren’t purely midrange but wideband drivers, but i think you can’t beat the quality for the price…

[@ZZPxFTW]

too bad you couldn't get the Dayton RS100 in here. They call it their "reference, low distortion, midrange diver" and at $34, seems the value is up there with the faitalPRO units, if it performs. What an awesome and interesting test. I know this is the content so many of us want and needed. Fantastic work, and great summary… if you can call 1.5 hours a summary 😅

[@chriscuthbertson]

I keep thinking I should change my Faital 3FE22's but I'm worried i'm gonna spend more money and not improve the sound. I bought them as a stop gap to see how I liked midbass in doors with widebands in the pillars before I committed to buying something 'better', now I'm not sure much will be much better. My take is that if can play all of the frequencies you need with in a few db's you can correct the response with eq. If you are running a system without eq then the response would be way more important. I guess that's why very good home speakers are so expensive, because most people don't run eq.

[@PeterMMMMM]

Amazing! And the LaVoce is now sold out!

[@brycelawmaster3746]

wish you would have tossed some morels in the mix

[@sanekn]

and some focals :)

[@CosminCraiova]

i was hopeing to see my Blams LFR80 tested and the upper, Signature and Multix range Blams to see if it's worth upgrading to one of them.

[@cncgeneral]

Send some and he might test them

[@jaredp551]

Love the information and effort put into this video, you are lifting this hobby and educating the masses

[@sanekn]

Awesome work man, thank you!

[@neilziesmer6109]

I THINK YOU NAILED IT , I'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME SCAN SPEAK 10F , BEFORE THEY SELL OUT . OA MIGHT BE NEXT CHOICE BUT AREN'T THEY MORE$$ . GREAT PRESENTATION . LOVE YOUR SHOW .

[@Mrhifitunes]

Great Stuff. Thanks a lot Is it possible something went wrong while saving the ,measurements on GOOGLE DRIVE? I can not see all of them. Did you measure distortion for all drivers @ 90db? This was not so clear.

[@RAW-CAt]

In rew setting change the max amount of tabs open to 120. By default it's 30.

[@vasyapupken]

48:02 - that bump on SB10 is not bad. if you cross it right before that response bump it will bend it down and you will get more sharp roll off for crossing with a tweeter. it"s like a using a higher order crossover.

[@SirTheo89]

Great job as always mate, keep up the good work

[@kostas133kostas]

You are a legend! Proud owner of scans 10f here!

[@Smarmellatore]

Great video - just a quick question - why didn't you test also audison midranges (e.g. av 3.0)? I believed they were quite popular on "low" budget car audio builds

[@RAW-CAt]

Because no one sent me them🤷

[@Smarmellatore]

@@RAW-CAt seems reasonable 😂

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Faital FE25 vs Lavoce for use with an 8" MB (likely kick, likely IB, but not inverted if I can help it) in an active 2-way with the potential to go 3-way in the future? Or rather, anything under the $100 budget range because if I step up from there I think I'll just go Scanspeak or One Audio, TBH.

[@remifassol4198]

Thanks a million for this very informative video!

[@davidtimmerman3121]

your dedication to this task was amazing, wish i could give it 10 likes!

[@tilin2.033]

sorry what kind of interface you recommend for a good calibration ... great video thank you

[@RAW-CAt]

Focusrite Scarlet 2i2

[@jkmatt7109]

Which 10F did you have? From the Q and sensitivity i'm guessing the 4424? Interesting how the automotive series 10M compares. Wonder if the anomaly on the Alpine waterfall is related to the impulse?

[@woldemortxyz7996]

You can see in the earlier video it's the 10f/4424g00 model.

[@xTinBenderX]

Amazing work as always. I agree with your takes, but this work gives many options to use it for different applications. Kinda bummed this a one and done, though I understand.

[@666nacirema666]

Very cool. Hope you keep doing this from time to time and adding to the data. Ive tried some of the 4s in this but where I want/need to use them they just stick out too much for me. So been messing around with 3s and smaller for a while now. There are a couple domes other than the peerless that Ive been thinking of trying out, those peerless domes are pretty nice other than the issues youve mentioned but the price is good enough it makes it hard to justify spending a ton more for some of the other options out there. Like why spend 90 or 150 or even more for the chance at marginally better performance when these are pretty amazing for 35-44 bucks a pair.

[@roscoebail5551]

Thank You !! Very nice information!

[@kiklop8362]

Tweeters now :D

[@lukasproestler]

Hi, i didn't know how to reach out to you, so i just have to write a random comment. I'm always wondering which Pink Noise you have to use to measure in the car. I got my uncorrelated pink noise from my Audiotec Fischer DSP and this is also the one I am using. When i take a measurement from a REW generated pink noise, I measure different results when measuring multiple speakers (the sums). So I think you use REW generated (correlated!) pink noise when measuring the sums, which leads to a deviation in the lows and highs. Am I wrong with my claim or do you use diffenent pink noises for 1-speaker measurements and multiple speaker measurements? I'd love to get an answer from you, maybe this could be a nice video idea!

[@RAW-CAt]

I use mono from rew.

[@lukasproestler]

​@@RAW-CAtok, and how do you measure your sums? Also with a Mono Signal played in all the soeakers? I thought zhis would also lead to a slighly different result

[@elviscaragea4433]

Hi, I've downloaded the rew data for all midranges, but there are only ike only 5 drivers. Thanks

[@RAW-CAt]

In the rew settings change max tab number to 120 instead of the standard 30. And reopen the file.

[@elviscaragea4433]

@@RAW-CAt Nice, thank you

[@michelcarvalho4131]

Awesome job! Thak you very much!

[@elviscaragea4433]

For car audio isnt the best to have drivers with a low impulse as possible? Because of the reflections in the car Or can be the opposite ? I tend to believe that a high impulse driver can sound more pleasing to the ear

[@GustavoRocha-gy1rf]

What do you think of the micro precision mp58 ? How would he do on this test ?

[@minus3dbintheteens60]

The HDZ is interesting. I'd like to hear them. The impulse measurement looks like it would have kinda average decay. I like the FR and THD tho

[@BrodaGRCHW]

From what I understand, it would be useful to divide these distortions even further into the second, third and fifth harmonics to see how they are distributed. The better the loudspeaker, the lower it is third from second and fifth from third. I learned a lot about this by reading the German Hobby HiFi magazine for designers and builders of loudspeakers.

[@RAW-CAt]

Yes, you are correct, all the data is there, just download the file and look by yourself👍

[@kkchung2410]

Where can I get the lavoces? Blue Alan don't have them anymore.

[@RAW-CAt]

Try here: en.toutlehautparleur.com/fullrange-speaker-lavoce-fan030-71-8-ohm-3-inch.html

[@SQ_Silverado]

Greetings Rawcat, I hope all is well with you and your family. Quick question, would you spend more coin on tweeters or midrange in an active 3 way set up? Some say human hearing is mostly covered by the midrange, but doesn’t the tweeter produce those details that give a crisp and clear sound? Thanks a lot in advance ❤

[@RAW-CAt]

I would say quality tweeters are more important. However, that does not mean more expensive. There are very good cheap tweeters.

[@MikeB1972]

Loved the video! Get some sleep! However... Would you consider doing this testing with Midbass drivers and Tweeters? I know that'd be a lot of work, and can be done long into the future lol 😅 I just got some Silver Flute W17RC38-04 6.5" midbass drivers because I've heard they're very good, for the money ($35X2=$70 for the pair plus shipping and tax). Initial UMIK-2 & REW measurements are looking good just doing near field without the driver in a box. I did just order some FaitalPRO 3FE22 3" Neo for $37.50X2=$75 plus tax and shipping on Monday..... Couple days before this video.... Oh well!! They still did good in this movie so I don't think that they'll disappoint! Just wondering if they'd pair well with the SB Acoustics SB26STCN-C000-4 tweeters I bought with the silver flutes as well? Maybe do a Mundorf AMT and the FaitalPRO's? Ported enclosure on a PC desk? The 6.5" SFs are a little too big 😅 Long comment for a long video lmfao Maybe I should just start my own channel using my UMIK-2 lol

[@rideordivekerry4830]

Wish u did audiofrog gs25. I think I’m going to try the faital

[@GaryGauthier-v4z]

Where is the Dayton rs75

[@NobleFellers]

Isn't the impulse response going to be highly indicative of the qtc of the system? Did you take that free air?

[@RAW-CAt]

Watch one video back.

[@mapo1313]

great work! thx! :)

[@matthewhutchinson7964]

Where can you even buy the SB10? Is it not available in the US?

[@Bac4-qu6qg7sk4v]

SB10PGC21-4 Madisound

[@SachinGupta-mb3pz]

Great video, loved it. Only person on KZbin you can trust on for audio knowledge.

[@ralphlongo1975]

Also, the PS95's are 56 for the pair here in the states, I wouldn't pay 74 for them either

[@surajbhan6549]

is a masure difference in helix dsp pro mk2 and mk3 ? can be use mk2 ?plz tell me

[@RAW-CAt]

Yes

[@elviscaragea4433]

Hi! nice video as usual. Do you test for harmonic distortions at 1w or at your personal listening levels? How this works?

[@RAW-CAt]

I test at 90dB/1m

[@elviscaragea4433]

@@RAW-CAt wow cool

[@MKVally]

Im here for the budget gems

[@harnaras2400]

How do you like the ms30 vs xxm325 vs legatia 2.7 wide bands

[@RAW-CAt]

I like cheaper stuff much more😊

[@harnaras2400]

@@RAW-CAtwhich two sounded the best? Wish there was a final list with the rankings at the end of the video. You did a lot of hard work, keep up the good work .

[@RAW-CAt]

@@harnaras2400 as I mentioned in the first video of the project, there will be no listening tests.

[@AudioFlat]

Fantastic work! So…… what else I would like you to measure is how some of these drivers measure when reflected off a windscreen at 45 degrees as this is often done in car audio. Regarding the impulse response, I would expect the slow decay to result in a lack of subjective clarity, or blurring. But this can be quite subtle and you need a very clean source. In my experience, really high levels of subjective clarity are very hard to achieve with car systems.

[@RAW-CAt]

56:35 is in car measurements firing up the glass ~30deg angle.

[@AudioFlat]

@@RAW-CAt, oh, fantastic - how did I miss that!!!

[@pranshujain8179]

Super Like!

[@elviscaragea4433]

very nice

[@alejandrooviedo1981]

What is the best Midrange Driver's under $100...????

[@RAW-CAt]

Watch the video and find out 😉

[@kellenstrickland3847]

If i knew you were doing this.... i could have sent u a focal utopia 3.5 wm. I got laying around

[@RAW-CAt]

Maybe next time😉

[@deriklfixit]

your AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THX SO MUCH

[@noncog1]

Thanks

[@azrelhisyamhasnan9158]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@jaredp551]

I wish some more of the insane priced drivers were donated but, like the amplifier group. Many people may be offended.. lol Drivers like the focal utopia and flax.. maybe even the k2m. It's ashame you are not in the local area

[@Mark_5150]

That had to be a lot of work with some interesting results, but there are literally hundreds of drivers out there and more coming out all the time, it would be difficult to make this complete or keep up with it. Maybe only add drivers to the list that people mail you and pay you to analyze, audiophiles that are interested in the results. ;)

[@MFKitten]

I often wish the different companies would write something about what their objective was for each driver, or like a short description of each driver. What we get instead is stupid hype language.

[@ericshaw7859]

@@MFKittenvery good point!

[@dusanskulavik1878]

From that frequency response graphs it seems you measured your room acoustic much more than speakers freq response:)). Anyway those Scan Speak 10F seems to be excellent on axis driver for such good price. And it seems to be absolute nonsense to pay more for any other "better" drivers.

[@RAW-CAt]

How and why does it seem that I measured room acoustics more than the driver?

[@dusanskulavik1878]

@@RAW-CAt Cause that very similar responses of some drivers.

[@RAW-CAt]

​@@dusanskulavik1878I don't really understand what are you talking about. What do you mean?

[@tommyshoe-star1426]

1:19:30-1:19:39 made laugh very hard :P but I agree

[@kaspars804]

10f 👑

[@SibiJohn-DIYAUDIO]

HiVi C6.5, and HiVi E6.5 are the best midranges in my opinion. BUDGETWISE TOO.

[@RAW-CAt]

Those are 6.5s right?

[@elviscaragea4433]

Where did you find the chinese drivers for 28 a pair?

[@RAW-CAt]

Search for the model number, probably you gonna find them on AliExpress or eBay.