Hands-On: Speedtracker Mach4 Chronograph

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Ultimate Reloader team member Kyle Shields joins me to explore the Speedtracker Mach4 Chronograph.
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[@Clockwork0nions]

holy hell, half way through this video before they even mention the speedtracker. 5:42 for those who wanna skip the BS.

[@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649]

Thanks. Did just that😊. 👍!

[@1keithesq]

This is such an expensive hobby. Thanks guys. Good review.

[@LRRPFco52]

Have you ever looked at boats, horses, airplanes, ATVs, etc.? Firearms is one of the most affordable hobbies comparatively.

[@ExpatriotSilencers]

Cool piece of equipment. It is 1/5 the size of a LabRadar and 30% more expensive than a LabRadar. If they could price it at closer to $500 usd, they'd sell a ton more of them.

[@MichaelMoellerTRLInc]

Interesting device, completely insane price point.

[@Audrey00o]

Great job on this Kyle!! Awesome, informative, and great editing!! 🔫

[@Cosirius]

Twice as much as the labradar, no thank you.

[@lachlanmcgovern3104]

Labradar is twice the hassle. No thank you.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

Yikes!

[@briansupermag3918]

​@Skilpadjie1 absolutely correct. Lab or magneto forget about it. After your done playing this thing is amazing.

[@paulcupach8196]

I was pretty interested in the device because of how it is mounted, compact, and bluetooth; but the $1000.00 price point...changed my mind. I'll stick to my Labradar. If you add up all the support equipment needed to run a labradar, it still comes in less expensive than this device.

[@LRRPFco52]

1/20th the footprint has value.

[@larrymeyer7064]

Yes, Tkx for info, load development & DOPE

[@ultradyneusa]

Still can't get over that custom cerakote!

[@Ultimatereloader]

🔥🔥🔥

[@andredangelo6003]

Another great video as usual, I was also looking at this chronograph. I ended up going with the AndiScan micro v2. It is also very compact, can be mount to your rifle and has a display screen. It also has the option to connect to you phone. I would love to see a video with all the doppler radar and magnetic chromographs. Thanks for the great videos

[@briansupermag3918]

I have had my speed tracker for a few months and absolutely love it. So glad I passed on the lab radar and magneto. Cant imagine anything better. It's truly fantastic.

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

Garmin Xero C1 Pro, can't be beat, the price of $599.99.

[@mikebarney339]

And then came the Garmin

[@briansupermag3918]

@mikebarney339 naa speed tracker has more radar power. Easier to attach to a rifle picatinny rail. But Garmin is cheaper so it has that. Lol. But it does look like a nice system for the price

[@mikebarney339]

I had never seen this one. Just randomly came across the video. The rail mount would be cool, but hard to beat that garmin. Like you said, glad I didn't blow money on a lab radar. @@briansupermag3918

[@DocJustinT]

That looks like a nice chronograph. I'd use it during load development to determine consistency of loads and to compare to QuickLoad predictions.

[@baconator754]

Recently, I bought the pic rail adapter for my Magneto Speed for clocking pistol loads, specifically 5.7x28 from my M&P. Setup and use couldn’t have been simpler; no fiddling required. I’ve had the MS for a couple of years, but this was the first I used it and I was really pleased with the results. Good video, as per usual.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

My magnetospeed is great, but it effect’s accuracy strapped on the barrel

[@DadWil]

This is the first I've heard of the Speedtracker Mach4 Chronograph... checked the price on Midway... makes the LabRadar system look less expensive... I'll still be using the Magneto Speed and a cheep optical unit down range to check terminal velocities... When the price on this tech piece drops I'll be on it like a fly on stink.

[@francoisdavel1786]

My best purchase ever. Load development made super easy. You can use this during competitions to see if you are staying in tune. I missed high at 1100 yards, looked at the speed, saw I had a "special cause" in velocity that was 50ft/sec faster than normal, resisted the temptation to adjust lower and hit my next shot center of target. THIS is the crony to have!!! Absolutely amazing but it HAS to be parallel to the bore and have line of sight of the first meter of bullet travel. If you have a very fat silencer you will have to mount it as far forward as possible.

[@joescopo8933]

Great video, as always. I see that Garmin just released a chronograph similar to this.

[@pjbarney9580]

neat idea... I looked it up while watching... I think I'll stick with my regular chronograph for less than 1/4 the price

[@davidunderwood3605]

Absolutely like to have and use one. For indoor ranges it might be great if it works in doors. Can't go beyond the firing line in most due to lead contamination and safety concerns. It's a magneto chrony or nothing.

[@224Nisqually]

I have 5 five shooting sessions with the Speed Tracker. It has worked well at times with a four screw barrel mount with a Picatinny section. Even on a supper skinny Kimber Alpine Assent barrel. For benchrest I have struggled with alignment. I am working with attaching the radar to an older SEB Neo front rest. Android software struggles with accepting the signal if splitting time between phone and tablet. "Settings" does not contain the fix. Still learning.

[@secondhorseman]

I couldn’t get it to work consistently when mounted for subsonic 22 but then I put in top of a few ammo boxes just under my barrel in the bench and it works great.

[@ianscott9396]

Like to see more testing over a longer period of time, then a follow up video.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Appreciate the review. I wasn't even aware of this product. If you all mentioned price range I missed it. But by other comments it seems pricey. But if it is reliable and as convenient, compact and accurate then it is worth it for some. Thank you.

[@user-ex4vn7ne2y]

I have one of these for a while now I also have both magnetos and a couple optical While this is more expensive it does help with load development and many options as far as mounting goes

[@SaneAsylum]

Mounting or getting mounted at that price?

[@erklaerbaer01]

I want to buy it BUT, what I would like to see, (maybe they have integrated it already) and that is calculation of the true BC. I would like to use it for long range .22 LR shooting and most manufacturers don't bother measuring their BC.

[@claytoole1986]

I like mine when it works. It’s a little sketchy most of the time mounting at 6 o’clock

[@amym828]

What I don't like about this device is you are forced to have to use another device that can use the app to interface with the chronograph. At least with my LabRadar, I can use it perfectly with or without a connected device.

[@francoisdavel1786]

You always have your phone with you anyway?

[@LRRPFco52]

Some of the newer rifle scopes with Bluetooth interface will integrate with this so you just see your velocity in the scope FOV.

[@geraldclemens1682]

Tibersourus Rex talked about one while back that was small but wasn't available in the US at that time.

[@turbogrinch]

I love my mach 4, it mostly gives me good and consistent readings. I'm only struggling to get a reading on sb 223`s. I might need to figure positioning better, but other than that it works awesome.

[@airwolf...]

Can you elaborate on how you are having trouble with getting readings on sb 223's? How long of barrels are you using? How close to the muzzle are you putting it? Are you using a suppressor? If so, which one? Most of my rifles have short barrels and I am just trying to get an idea of what to expect when I use this thing. I just ordered one yesterday. Thanks in advance.

[@samshep70]

Fantastic

[@shawngrays9087]

Another option for shooting sports, if I were to buy it, probably more for load development, mainly why I used a optical chronograph in the past, less setup more range time

[@sgulden6276]

I might have mentioned that price is a consideration.

[@MrTacklebury]

Sure would be nice, but not at a grand. lol Think I'll stick to my magnetospeed.

[@mustangsalley113]

Super cool. Very interested in how it would handle big bore recoil tho.

[@williamsweet7511]

awesome looking, I still use caldwell, can't beat the price. 100 bucks is way less than 1000 bucks

[@ExpatriotSilencers]

I have a Caldwell G2 and it works really well. I just have to stop shooting the mount. :( Thankfully I have a 3D printer and have been able to make replacement bottom mounts. I'd love a radar type chrono but they are expensive and seem a bit finicky.

[@vancelowe4918]

Love the video. Just got my speed tracker and used on three different rifles with no luck at all. Couldn't get it to read even one shot after it was connected. I tried two phones and two Ipads. no luck I then tried on my Impact M3 air rifle 30 cal. and It worked just fine. It never missed a shot. I wonder what I'm doing wrong with my rifles that it won't pick up a shot?

[@markminer7390]

Very nice form factor! I'm using the LabRadar recently and use the downrange (5 values) change in velocity to calculate the B.C. of the bullets in my gun. Getting up to 2000 readings for each shot (???) with this unit seems farfetched, but would help with calculating actual B.C. My question is at what distance does the bullet fall below the radar cone with this? LabRadar seems limited to ~ 100 yards. Does the SpeedTracker extend out further? My last thought...I use a rest for load development and mounting this on the rest (pointing downrange) would simplify use. A simple cup, with an adjustable gimble, that you could slide the SpeedTracker into would be the bomb...just thinking.

[@Johnsormani]

The new FX radar unit is also interesting since it can produce a custom BC for you as well

[@tommyj7087]

That's the other one I have been looking at. LRO did a review and said basically it wasn't ready for prime time yet. I will keep using my LabRadar for a bit longer.

[@loupuleff571]

Nice for load development but 1k is a little steep, have to think about this one ?

[@guyminer3168]

Interesting!

[@dariosarti2791]

Bought one. It has issues, serious ones. This products has a lot of potential but the current execution is problematic on many levels. 1. There is a recurring issue of the unit bricking on first (or later) power on. It just does not want to power off until the battery is fully drained. After that, initial problem, it started connecting for me. There is NO hard reset option (pressing the power button longer does not bypass the processor). This is a big flaw 2. There is some time you need to spend to set it up correctly. For me (Tikka T3X, 6,5 CM with a muzzle break), it does not have any issues with Hornady ELD-M 140gr bullets but is very (50/50) with my Lapua Scenar-L 136gr bullets. 3. the parabolic cone has issues with staying in the appropriate place on the device, a small, single screw is not enough, and if you screw it hard, it damages the coating of the unit. 4. The new app is not really practical to use, at least for me If those issues will be fixed, then the device will be greate, but till that point, I do not think it is worth the price point for now. Hop it will change as I love the idea.

[@kilekinney253]

I shall stick with my "cheap" under $200 opticall one

[@rufturbo997]

Does it store data like the LabRadar or do you only get data when using the app? Most of my rifles don't have the capability of mounting to pic rail so how good is on tripod and is there a standard tripod mount included? I saw another comment saying it is twice the price of a LabRadar so why would it be compelling to consider?

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

Usability issue, in bright daylight red/green and the white text are not easy to see, especially for color-impaired. People should never leave mode indication to color or text. Something should fundamentally change when connected and ready. Some frame or bar somewhere. Second, like someone mentioned below, this has probs catching .223/.224 bullets. At least without the additional front horn/mirror/shader.

[@przemekk2595]

Biggest con is that if you want your shots recorded you need to have the app open on your phone screen (device have no internal storage). This kind of disqualify speedtracked from being useful in PRS, where you have your hands full and need to move around (unless you mount the phone to your rifle or have a buddy who would take care of it for you). Other than that great device!

[@mftoutdoors7483]

LOOKS AND SEMAS GREAT

[@cazorp]

Hey Gavin, any plans to review the Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph? Would be great to see your predictions of which chrono on the market which has highest accuracy/reading percentage etc..! :)

[@steveparks5030]

"Yeah that's gonna be a no for me dog"

[@elbeprecision2749]

Way to expencive therefore its original development can be found in monitoring industrial processes - i‘ll stay with my Labradar due to the fact that it’s much easier to share with other shooters and to use it with different rifles without any picatinny rail

[@johnstewart2011]

Using it with guns that have no good way to mount the device was my first thought. I use a recoil-operated trigger with the LabRadar and if nothing else the trigger sensor can be taped to the gun.

[@bobwollard9105]

Did he mention the price? I must have missed it.

[@kennetheriksson6179]

I have tested labr, magneto and find the Speed tracker better and easier to use, I always have it on my rifles and use it then weather is changing to make a BC in different weather conditions.

[@IMPACTSHOOTING]

This looks great, labradar was so finicky.

[@richardwills8017]

I’ll stay with the Labradar, it works great for me and as I always shoot from a bench, size is not really a factor. I use the exterior trigger and it rarely misses a shot. This small one is great, but I’m not going to sell the Labradar, then spend a whole lot more money on one of these, to do the same thing the Labradar does. I can see though that there would be shooters this would be a great help to, just not me.

[@Kbaker45862]

I have one of these and Im having a lot of trouble getting it to get consistent readings on anything smaller then a 30 cal. I have tried mounting it in different places and running it with or without the leans. But can’t get it to work consistently with the small bullets.

[@ewathoughts8476]

I have 2, and have them for over a year. Yes, it can be difficult with smaller calibers. I found that I had to cant the device about 3 degrees towards the bore axis. Mostly went back to a MagnetoSpeed V3 with home made offset hangers made from T track and Picatinny QD clamps.

[@paulmatthews2035]

Unless you have the additional lens, the radar won’t “see” through the blast of a muzzle break. Alignment is critical , I ended up using an extended off set picatinney rail bent slightly upwards to “see” around a suppressor. Mine works indoors with 6.5 no problem.

[@AusHunts]

How does this go for those of us that reload hunting rifles with swivle stud?

[@hghunter44]

Excellent review. I have avoided the radar chronographs as they can't capture velocities on my faster cartridges (204 ruger, 22-250, 17 hornet). As Mach 4 is 4350 fps, maybe they need to change the product name to Mach 3.7 since it has a 4000 fps limit.

[@hwgunsandtactical2772]

Stay tuned updates coming!! Range will be 200-4600….

[@kalindanley2843]

It won't track my 300prc sabot 224s? I'm too fast? jk jk :) I'd be curious to when the files could be used with Chrono-plotter. I can't do excel, chrono-plotter is mandatory for me.

[@DingaReloading]

Has anyone had issues when using a fairly aggressive brake (area 419 hellfire)? I know I had that issue with the lab radar and had to adjust placement of the device to compensate.

[@DukeReynolds]

How do you map pistols?

[@mastermoarman]

What is the Max range it will detect bullets? I'd love to.use it to make custom drag or bc numbers like the fx radar does

[@ewathoughts8476]

It only detects within the first 3 meters from the muzzle.

[@mastermoarman]

@ewathoughts8476 well that answers which one I will be getting. The fx true balistic chronograph. It will detect out to 300 yds

[@georgehager4248]

How far down range will this device collect reliable data ??

[@tommyj7087]

For the battery life, can you hook up an battery pack to it while it is running or can it not run while charging? I have been looking at this recently and appreciate the video's timing.

[@user-ex4vn7ne2y]

I have one and have used it several times and haven’t charged it yet

[@francoisdavel1786]

You cannot use it whilst charging.

[@tommyj7087]

@francoisdavel1786 Thanks! Just trying to understand all the pieces before investing that kind of $. My Labradar has a 10k mAh battery plugged in when using it and another in my bag just in case.

[@francoisdavel1786]

@@tommyj7087 the speedtacker likely uses way less power than a labradar. I don't know how big the battery is, but I recently got 6 hours out of it. If you really need more time, switch off the the device between shooting strings.

[@nathan_k]

"OrangeChef Prep Pad". Because of that one item, I will never buy a Mach4 Chronograph without "redundant failsafe" on-device LCD display. The Prep Pad was a BT-only weighing scale in early Aughts. It was *also* 100% dependent on an "App" for function. No on-device display. When OrangeChef was bought out, they deprecated/retired the app. Bricking the device for all buyers. (Hackers reversed BT protocol partially since.) If Mach5 has an LCD display with speed number, like optical chronograph, I'll buy it at (x thousand) dollar mark. But not this Mark4.

[@erich9111]

Measurement tools are rated by their accuracy. I assume since you didn't mention it, the accuracy of this one must not be very good.

[@caseysmith8831]

I ve wasted so much ammo trying to get my Labradar to pick up the shots. Batteries dying. I prefer my magneto way more. This might be what I want

[@DLN-ix6vf]

So if I bought one it would cost approx. $1k CDN more than I paid for my Magnetospeed Sporter and then I could see the fps of bullets while I do my seating depth ladder and powder load ladder so I can get speed and accuracy at the same time. Or I cold just remove the Magnetospeed and do my seating depth and powder load ladders on their own and do the speed testing when those are done. Tough call eh !

[@jackshett]

Looks nice but cost prohibative unless you're really making use of it like custom load data, matches, etc...

[@KingLoopie1]

2.4 Ghz is normal aviation radar. Same band as your microwave. 120 Ghz will give more resolution for small moving targets and better accuracy with speed. $1K+ is a bit pricey for me though...

[@theunofficialresults231]

This channel isn't for the poors!

[@GBGuns]

Looks a heck of a lot better than LabRadar. That was such a watste of money and time.

[@10hunterLab]

Nice, however, what if you don't have pic rail? Need mounting options.😮

[@noahhorinek]

You don’t have to mount it on the gun

[@10hunterLab]

@noahhorinek true, but this causes very difficult alignment problems. And every time you bump or move it you have to re-align it.

[@justinpate3466]

so this is the most expensive option out there, Im good

[@AlbertKuris]

I’ve been using one for some time and it’s fantastic. Can mount directly to the barrel if needed. Extremely accurate and never misses a beat. I’ve used a LabRadar. It’s about on par to a LabRadar for price but far better results.

[@meidamx]

Get some.

[@LadCo12]

Did you test its accuracy?

[@ewathoughts8476]

When it works it is extremely accurate.

[@sfr2929]

Ill stick to the mag, much more versatile and cost is reasonable. Maybe after some years the radar cost will come down

[@GTRSniper1]

There are plenty of rounds that go over 4k fps. None that you guys can think of.... That's a sales pitch.. I'm sure Gavin would have researched this further. Plus it's rediculously expensive.

[@Dennisthemenace40]

It looks like a great setup, for a modern rifle. Not so much for a traditional rifle or shotgun. Bummer.

[@atr7174]

Does it work for sub sonic loads.

[@francoisdavel1786]

yes

[@hans-juergentroeh9163]

I hear it does not pick up with Surpressor

[@SaneAsylum]

At this point ranges should just invest in good Doppler. The idea of every shooter buying a chrono that costs as much as a rifle is pointless.

[@Monkeydad1969]

How does it do with a suppressor?

[@francoisdavel1786]

If it is a fat one, it can get in the line of sight. You have to mount it as far forward as possible since the pickup range is 1-3m. The parabolic adapter also helps.

[@Monkeydad1969]

@francoisdavel1786 thank you for the information.

[@l800x8]

Damn chronos getting more expensive year by year. I started out with the cheapest Caldwell back in the day, and it did fine - except when it got cloudy or rainy and you would have to write down each velocity. I would still have that thing if if I could've gotten readings on those bad days. It was a bit of a pain to set up as well. Later I picked up a Magneto Speed, and it gets readings reliably all the time. Still a bit of a pain to set up, but it saves strings to a micro card, which is nice. This speed tracker is ten times the price of the Caldwell, and three times that of the Magneto Speed. What happened to Capitalism making things cheaper?

[@jd2757]

I'm a mad scientist, but that $1K price is out of range for me. Without additional indirect alignment features the FTR/F-Open crowd will further hesitate. Too bad... they could have been famous.

[@ewathoughts8476]

The big problem with all these radar devices is the BlueTooth interface. Bluetooth is not reliable enough for this use. If the devices do not have USB data available to be used as a hardwire connection then you are better off with a self contained device like a MagnetoSpeed. Bluetooth is OK for downloading a data package, but falls all over itself in control resilience.

[@ExpatriotSilencers]

My Caldwell G2 uses bluetooth and it works really well. The data collection on the app is 10x better than what a Magnetospeed produces.

[@Johnsormani]

That’s why Bluetooth is used in all kinds of professional and industrial applications.

[@francoisdavel1786]

I have never struggled with the Bluetooth connectivity on my Speedtracker Mach 4. What you are complaining about is a non-issue with this device.

[@pjwhalen5104]

Wow, $1,100 on sale now at Midway USA. Surely it can't be that expensive to make? Perhaps the company is trying to recoup their research and development costs? The hassles of magnetospeed or optical systems seem much more tolerable now :)

[@dennispeltier6142]

🙂

[@K-bob_45]

If you would’ve said the price first I would’ve stopped watching a long time ago. Magneto sporter and a pro chrono for pistols and lever guns.

[@MyLonewolf25]

Yea I’ll stick to the much more versatile lab radar and save 500 bucks

[@faykfox]

How long until the app isn't supported by modern cell phones and this isn't usable anymore? 2 years? 4?

[@Johnsormani]

That’s an issue your 10 year old Caldwell will work as long as the hardware work. My chronograph is over 30 years old and still working. You won’t be able to do that with a phone based unit

[@edwardmcnamara903]

I'm saving my pennies.

[@Bubblyhiccups]

Looking for less expensive options not more. Companies tend to do better when they put out affordable products. They go bankrupt when their products are overlooked because of the price. Even companies like lab radar or magnetospeed haven’t rivaled the old F1 chrony in sales.

[@davidemontini8298]

Would be nice if these radars could do up to 4500...to close to 5000.....you ask what ...well 220 swift runs 4000 to 4400 FPS well my load runs hot and fast...

[@rdsii64]

I love the concept but $850 is beyond my budgetary reach.

[@andrewyording4284]

Doesn't sound like it would be a good one for my lever actions, and seems pretty expensive too. So not for me.

[@jesseiancassidy]

Dang it only 4000fps my 22-250 is cranking 4600fps

[@AFOPatches]

$1100 holy jesus

[@Johnsormani]

You get an iPhone 14;for free with it 😂

[@Spushed]

$1,000+!?!? Lol I'll stick with my magnetospeed V3, thanks though. Gucci doesnt mean best...

[@Outdoor_Valor]

$1000!

[@billstevens5277]

Hate that it needs a phone app.

[@Gunmonkey5]

It’s neat, and looks awesome….. but not for $1,100

[@jesusfreakster101]

That was the first waste of time I’ve encountered from UR…. definitely will be a niche market item at that price