PRS Cartridges COMPARED! (What to shoot)

[@michaelvangundy226]

50 BMG necked down to 6.5 No recoil using the 35 pound gun. Shoots 142s at mach 5. No elevation changes needed. The best part is the side ported muzzle break really throws off the competition on a line.

[@2S1L3NT]

🤣

[@v1_rotate638]

😂😂😂

[@ipodhty]

Hows the barrel life?

[@jimbrown9817]

@@ipodhty Less than it took him to write that post. 😂

[@CreepyUncleStupid]

i necked this to .177 used a 17 gr projectile got a chrony of 9 zillion. the barrel turned into a rotini. my friends no longer talk to me. looking for a girlfriend. hit me up ladies!

[@sheldon_n]

Can't go wrong with a Foundation stock! They shoot sooooo nice. For cartridge choice, Dasher or 6BRA. Don't get lost in the ballistics, you just want something that is lower recoil, easy to load for and shoots tiny groups at distance no matter what powder charge you choose. Good barrel life and consistent performance over the duration are additional positives, don't have to spend much time on load development or testing. Honest assessment - I bet 90%+ of the PRS/NRL matches across the country are won by a Dasher or BRA. I won the PRS NW Regional overall season this year with a 6BRA shooting 105 hybrids at 2865fps so you don't need a lazer beam or anything crazy. Hope to see you out at a match again soon!

[@billbee235]

I just came to the dark side and decided to build a BRA for 2022 and it’s been absolute easy mode. With my barrel break in load I was hitting a 1 MOA plate at 600 yards from standing and kneeling positions. Im sold 😆

[@treece1]

I just got my 3rd 6bra barrel last week. two identical chambers question, Either of yall use a .104 fb?

[@billbee235]

@@treece1 mine is a PVA prefit so not sure on chamber specs

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

A bad year, where are the primers? Two gun shops have the bullets, powders, and cases, but NO primers. I'm lucky, I started reloading 1990 after my first purchased hunting rifle in 300 Weatherby Magnum, counting 18,000 rifle and pistol primers large and small. I'm set.

[@pauli2559]

I like to hear the PRC challenges. I

[@ChrisColt264]

6 dasher, impact action, MPA chassis, MDT dasher mags, running alpha brass. Feeds flawlessly. Thanks for the content.

[@edwilson4678]

Your data looks a bit suspect. How does the Dasher have a flatter trajectory and less wind drift than a 6 Creed. Dasher will be 300 FPS slower with the same bullets.

[@bstevens7647]

At all depends on what rifle they're hyping that week and the way they loaded to Showcase it

[@jamesdean8809]

My .223 with 90 gr. at 2800 fps has a 300 inch drop at a 1000 yards and is still supersonic. You just need a long freebore so you can seat the bullet long enough to get enough powder in the case. A .169 + freebore is what is needed.

[@tomjoseph1444]

Great video. I realize how much research went into it. Being an old guy who has been shooting for 50+ years, I shoot every week but not competition. Stick to what I know. 6mm Rem AI, 257 Roberts and 6.5x55. I can easily make the 6 and 257 out of 30-06 brass which is never in short supply. Keep up the good work!

[@lawrencelewis1036]

I wish you would have included the 6mm arc.

[@prone_wolf8871]

Same

[@dmperry1974]

Eagle Eye Shooting aka Kenny, did a PRS on the 6mm ARC, if you watch his videos he did pretty all right. IMO, 6mmARC would be perfect for PRS. I do own and shoot my 6mmARC bolt gun that was produced by Unitah Precision, I believe since it is a newer cartridge they might just overlook it.

[@MrThedraknoir]

Same

[@therevoman]

Love my 6 ARC gas gun. Thinking about 6 ARC in a bolt gun, what is the benefit over the 6BR/6GT variants? Sure you get access to factory ammo, but does that offset a lower powder charge, lower velocity, and finding a custom bolt?

[@therevoman]

I laughed when I heard “magnesium chassis with weights added”.

[@wizzle0979]

I went with a 260. I already had dies and most importantly, plenty of components. My rifle: Mausingfield M5 action Huber Concepts 2# trigger McMillan A6 PRS stock. Getting the barrel channel widened for a thicker barrel Caliber is 260 remington Suppressor is right now the Crux Nemesis 30. Waiting for my KGM R30 to get out of jail

[@trefd2759]

nice! love the 260 rem.my uncle introduced the 260 15 yrs ago. somehow it just never took off. 9.9 out if 10 everyone is on the 6.5 Creedmoor train. well we both tried the 6.5 Creedmoor and me and uncle are back with the 260.rem. why? we knew what we had. all loads and bullets where figured out a decent decade ago, and the Tikka T3 ans Remington Model 700s are tack drivers. Tikka T3s are very hard to find in the US. the 6.5 Creedmoor is a different story.i will build the both of them slightly as they are as is everything we been looking for in a hunting and occasional bench shoot at the club. 260.rem is a round that Remington knew what they had since 1997. a winner that just never took off. the 6.5 Creedmoor basically has a kickers name. me and my uncle will put our Remington and Tikka T3s 🔩 actions against any other bolts

[@TacticalAccountants]

Regarding barrel life. I ran a 6CM with a Green Mountain button rifled barrel from Keystone Accuracy. I was told it’d last 600 or so rounds, but I didn’t pull it until 900 and was shooting fine until then. All with factory ammo, Hornady and Federal, in PRS style matches. They told me that their Kriegers, which are cut rifled, last longer. I’m now running a Bartlein from Stuteville and was told to expect 1600-1800 rounds before velocity drops. Hoping it’ll get closer to 2,000 since I’m shooting factory loads only.

[@johnseher2289]

Gavin and Travis, you guys give us a pile of useful information on the varios cartridges, which is really helpful. For PRC and similar matches, or even a local egg shoot, I would go with the .224 Valkyrie, as it offers amazing trajectory for a modestly sized cartridge, low recoil, low muzzle blast, and relatively lower cost of consumables. These reasons combined with good barrel life will help a guy feel like he can afford to practice more. This is so important to a beginner such as myself. Keep up your good work.

[@cadetbooth]

I'm shooting a Stiller Wraith action in a MPA BA chassis. Barrel is a straight 1.2" taperless 28" chambered in 6GT. Bushnell Elite Tactical XRS II. Gas gun is an AR10 w/ Gibbz G10 upper and Sgt of Arms Arca handguard. Proof blank barrel I turned and chambered myself in 6GT as well.

[@bronsoncashiola1426]

So what

[@uMalice]

I would have liked to have seen a comparison of the Dasher and the 6 ARC.

[@rodgerthackeray7978]

He should go with the 25 Creed. If I was doing a 6mm, I would choose the 6GT over the Dasher.

[@wesleyturner1979]

👍🏳️‍🌈🐯

[@PileofBrass]

If I was shooting a match, I definitely would use my 6.5 Creedmoor. I have a Bergara HMR with an Athlon Chronos MRAD and love this setup. I'm not skilled enough for a high speed match but I would love to try it out.

[@cgblosser]

Interesting that you had the Dasher edging out the 6 Creed. You must've loaded the Dasher hot and the Creed light to get more MV out of the Dasher. The Dasher is a good, efficient round, but its internal ballistics aren't quite that magical. 2950 is a pretty typical Dasher MV and 3000-3075 is common 6 Creed MV. Shooting the same bullets, the Creed will have better external ballistics. That's not to say MV and external ballistics are the only factors, but we need to start w/ an accurate baseline. What were your MVs for each round that you used in your table/chart?

[@hugoletkeman7049]

I was wondering the same thing. I ran both bullets in a 4dof calculator and to get the drops shown on the video the 109 Berger would have a mv of around 3120 and the 108 ELD-X at 2945. I’m wondering if they got the load data for the creed and dasher crossed up or like you said, a screamer of a dasher load and a anemic 6 creed load.

[@TheTdwilson]

I was looking at the Dasher and Creed drop values on the chart and wondering the same thing. It seems like they got the two mixed up unless they loaded the Dasher hot and the Creed light.

[@tommyj7087]

I took a positional shooting class at Peacemaker National Training Center. I worked up my load for 7SS and the others were shooting 223/5.56. The instructor struggled to call their shots out to 425yds. We couldn't hear it hit steel, you couldn't see impact or trace. My 7SS, you heard it, you saw it, there was no doubt what I was doing. I did have a brake on mine so I was seeing my impacts from all forms of natural terrain barricades. 6.5SST might be a great choice for lower recoil.

[@morgancall5404]

I shoot PRS, my rifle is a Bighorn TL3 chambered in 6 Dasher sitting in a foundation stock. Best combo out there in my book unless you're shooting in the windy mountains then 6.5 Creedmoor all day long.

[@danbatman1980]

Could share dimensions of your reamer? And what brass?) Thanks a lot!

[@morgancall5404]

@Dan Batman I don't have the dimensions for the reamer but I'm testing fire formed 6BR brass and Alpha brass.

[@kentuckywindage222]

I'm just starting on the 6.5 cm. My 120 gr, Lapua brass, CCI large primer is 3110 fps. My 147gr, Lapua brass, Federal Gold Medal match SR primer, 2800 fps. All chronographed with no pressure signs. Are these average numbers? Also I'm neck sizing twice then bumping should just enough to chamber easily in my rifle. I always did this with my 308 Winchester and similarly with my 22ppc. Just curious if this is how most folks are working the 6.5 creedmoor.

[@morgancall5404]

@kentucky windage222 I bump 0.001 to 0.002 just for reliability sake. I've never shot 120gr projectiles so I can't help you there, but depending on your environmentals, barrel, etc. that from my experience is pretty close to the top end node and close to max pressure. To be completely honest I haven't played with my Creedmoor for awhile just because of how much I like the dasher.

[@niclasedelsten6428]

@@kentuckywindage222 Hej. I compete with 6.5CM lapua brass, cci no.400 SR. Lapua scenar 139gr @ 840m/s and 890-900m/s approx 8-10% below max pressure. Now I shoot lapua scenar 123gr @ 882m/s (2893fps) with vihtavouri N555

[@chrisglover7080]

I shoot PRS with my 243AI it beats all but the Dasher. No love for the 243 what ever more for me and the looks on all the competitors when i beat them with somthin from the 50's

[@mattc1248]

Doubt.

[@chrisglover7080]

@@mattc1248 opinions are like assholes but unfortunetly ther everywere.

[@DRHODES1979]

Of those choices, you just have to build two rifles! 6 Dasher for PRS and 25 Creed for NRL Hunter. I'm using a 6 GT for my PRS style matches and just built a 25x47 Lapua for NRL Hunter matches. You really can't beat the Berger 135 LRHT as far as high BC and low recoil. Love the GT because it does feed well from standard magazines and it can be loaded with a variety of powders. My first choice is Varget, but it runs well with H4350, 6.5 Staball or RL16. It's just a nice middle ground between the Dasher and Creed. Not to mention it's now a SAAMI cartridge and brass is available from several good manufacturers, with a great factory option from Hornady.

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Travis should shout 6GT or 6x47L.

[@firee2]

6 dasher, Currently building a 6arc in a gas gun for my daughter for next season

[@michaelwallace2766]

Hey guy's I have a 7mm-08 which has better ballistics than the 308 but no one ever covers the 7-08 as a cross over gun for hunting and competition. I would really like to hear your thoughts at some point.

[@zacharyreed8523]

The issue with the 7mm-08 is that it doesn't quite have the case capacity to really push high BC 7mm bullets at a velocity that's worth the time, effort, and recoil force as compared to a 6.5 CM. A 284 cal 168gr Berger VLD (G7: 0.322) is pushed at, what, 2400 to 2600 ft/s max? A 6.5 will push a comparably high BC bullet beyond 2800 ft/s. I load 264 cal 140 gr Berger Hybrids (G7: 0.311) at 2850 ft/s easily.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@zacharyreed8523 You're right that the 6.5 Creed is better, even the 6mm's are - but arguably the 7mm-08 would be better than a .308, which is what he was asking about. Looking at the Hornady ELD-M, the .284 162gr has a BC of .670/.338. The .308 168gr has a BC of .523/.263. To get near the same BC with .308 cal, you need to go all the way to the 208gr ELD-M with a BC of .690/.348. The 7mm-08 can push a 175gr at 2600fps, 160gr at 2750fps. Compared to a .308 pushing a 175gr at the same 2600fps, but with a much lower BC than the 7mm, so the 7mm-08 is indeed a better option if one was planning a cross-over style rifle. Of course a 6.5 Creed or even a PRC would be much better, but the question was about 7mm-08 and .308.

[@zacmiller6741]

After buying a few thousand 88eldm I decided to build a 223 AI. Given the fact most matches are win inside 600 I can't wait to shoot a few match with the set up

[@RyanMcIntyre]

I've got a 223AI. Wildcats are awesome, I actually used that rifle (an otherwise stock remmy 700) to make it in top 10 shooting benchrest among $10k "hunting" rigs. If you haven't rechambered your barrel yet, don't. The Ackley is cool but in real application you gain nothing but tedium.

[@Mike-xi4zt]

Tedium is what all of this is about.

[@bryonjmordhorst]

Woul have loved to see how the 6 arc compared

[@dakotaman4861]

Great video guys. I shoot F-Class 600 and 1000 yard. I use no taper 30" barrels. My current favorite is the 6 Dasher. It's precision is hard to beat and the barrel life gives me a whole season with the same barrel. I shot the 25 Creedmoor last season with the 131 Blackjack. That bullet has a long bearing surface and my 7.25 twist heated the barrel up to almost flaming level on those 95 degree days. It forced me to shoot with a scope tube and cooked my barrel in 1,475 rounds. It held its velocity and bucked the wind better than the Dasher. Both of these provided the same high level of accuracy for me with much more barrel life in the Dasher and noticeably lower recoil.. At 1000 yards, many shooters are moving to the .284 Win or the .284 Shehane to fight wind better. On most days, the Dasher will make them work for it though.

[@dakotaman4861]

I love my 6 Creedmoor for 1000 yard precision and it is probably my most accurate at that range but I don't use it in competition because heat destroys the barrel. I use it where I can put it down for a while and let it cool so I can get 1,500 to 1,700 rounds. I made one for my prairie dog shooting partner and his shot in the .1s for about 1,800 rounds. But he continued to shoot it to 3,000 rounds as it slowly degraded to .5 MOA. I"ve seen several guys dump their 6 CRs early because they didn't know about carbon ring build up. I remove that with SemiChrome metial polish after every range trip or every 200 rounds.

[@andy2314]

berger makes great factory ammo also . and they use lapua brass so what ive done in the past is buy a case of loaded ammo shoot a few matches without having to worry about reloading then once you shoot them all you have good lapua brass to reload

[@TexanUSMC8089]

That's because Berger is owned by the same company as Lapua.

[@dougtarbet6193]

I have a friend who is getting good results using 22 Creed for PRS built off a Rem 783 action, McMillan barrel, dropped in to a MDT chassis, Athlon scope.

[@SidestickPilot]

My build: 6.5 CM, Defiance Tenacity action, 24” Bartlein barrel, Jewell trigger, Manners stock (I’ve got an XLR on my 7mm rem mag and it’s great but I just enjoy the feeling and shape of a stock) MDT rings, MDT brake, and an Athlon Cronus BTR. Very versatile cartridge and rifle. 7MM is for elk and up and I can use my 6.5 for anything below that while also having plenty of options to choose from in the hand loading department. Having a bullet being so mass produced and so versatile is important to me. I’m used to magnum guns so not recoil sensitive at all and don’t struggle to track the trajectory behind glass. Everyone has their personal preference.

[@joequixotic3039]

Check your data, I don't see how your Dasher can have less drop than a faster 6 Creedmoor.

[@dirkvanvuuren2598]

Baffles my brain how they can say this. Honestly 6creed like 100fps+ with the same bullet. Cmon guys

[@madmat990]

I don't think that data is right either.

[@balazra]

With cartridge and projectile choice there are 4 questions: 1: recoil / seek trace and follow up shot acquisition time. 2: elevation / trajectory, what is your trajectory? 3: wind deflection on the projectile. 4: splash / impact on misses so you can correct errors. If you a shooting a known distance event, drop / elevation is a non topic. The only 3 things remains make your choice. You want to balance the recoil with the splash and you want something a forgiving in the wind as possible. So that is why people are choosing 6mm mid speed heavy projectiles. There is no fixed answer in PRS it is very shooter dependent, what is there weakness and what do they need the cartridge to do to help minimise that weakness.

[@dinoc.5537]

With the Alpha brass, you can avoid the fire forming from 6BR to Dasher. While the 6GT sounds tempting, the 6 Dasher brass had been very easy to get and performs very well. The Dasher performance at PRS and Mid Range matches is well established, so I would stick with it and watch for how the 6 GT stacks up over time.

[@wesleyturner1979]

What about the 🏳️‍🌈🐯? The 6 GT is supposed to be easier loading and feeding than the dasher and works great with varget. The 6 xc is also supposed to be better on barrel life and easier to load for than the creed. These are the two I’m considering for my 1-7 coyote gun. Any thoughts? For PRS I think he should run the GT over the dasher. If he’s going to hunt? The 25 creed is sweet!

[@loadmastergod1961]

I love the 6gt. My first real prs style cartridge as I started with my 308 and then did the valkyrie. Just too bad I jumped into 6mm world after bullets all disappeares

[@nvlaser9084]

@@loadmastergod1961 I run the GT as well. IMO its the best all around PRS cartridge. Does everything well.

[@loadmastergod1961]

@@nvlaser9084 I love it other than brass cost. Will always out perform my crippledness. 😆

[@nvlaser9084]

@@loadmastergod1961 Alpha makes awesome brass at $125/100. Not much more expensive than most Lapua brass.

[@MoonGoon6]

@@loadmastergod1961 I run a GT with 109s at 3030pfs for my PRS rig. Like it so much I built a 19.5" one for my day gun for coyotes with 95 TMKs going 2900

[@georgewashington7312]

6.5x55 is great to practice with since lots of companies make it.

[@trygvegabrielsen8120]

Yes Sir! We’ve been running that cartridge here in Scandinavia since 1890s

[@mtnman1]

I’ve got a MPA MPR II in 6.5 Creedmoor on order. This’ll be my first year in long range shooting, I went and watched a local match at Frontline Defense here in North Carolina last weekend and I can’t wait to get my rifle. I’m already planning on getting the MPA Hunter Lite in 6.5 PRC. Cheers from Raleigh 🤘🏼🍻

[@adambell2509]

A video on the 6GT would be great 👍

[@wesleyturner1979]

👍🏳️‍🌈🐯

[@sniperfreak223]

I love the .224 Valkyrie...only problem being that it's super hard to find a bolt action with the correct bolt face, so I've only been running it in gss guns...but it offers excellent long range ballistics in a lightweight platform with next to no recoil and a relatively small powder charge, so it's relatively inexpensive to shoot as far as components and has excellent barrel life.

[@loganwebb6447]

Dasher doesn’t outrun a 6 creedmoor when comparing apples to apples. 100 fps difference or more. Is less recoil and more efficient though.

[@wayneullrich3049]

Totally under appreciated the .223 , using a 77gn bullet isn’t a fair comparison. Especially wind at distance. .223 with a 85 or 90gn would surprise you on the ballistics.

[@luckymanham302]

That’s where a .224 Valkyrie comes in and really shines.

[@randytrudeau952]

.224 Valkyrie is a total dog to reload. If you like yelling at your reloading bench then go for the Valkyrie. I wanted to shoot, not fight my loads so I bought a 6.5 CM and never looked back. Easy to load and lots of data. I use IMR4451 because there is no H4350 and 41.1gr of IMR4451 with Hornady 140 ELD's gives me 2725 FPS with a 5.2 SD and .6" groups in my Bergara Wilderness HMR. Just starting shooting PRS this year and was pretty happy when I hit a shot at 1010 yards off of a barricade. The other 3 went wide but we dont need to talk about that... lol.

[@DrumGun76]

I’ll save you some time. 6 Dasher 6 GT 6 BR Pick one.

[@cadetbooth]

Hint... only one loads smoothly from magazine

[@DrumGun76]

Ding Ding Ding! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. #ridethetiger

[@jmangus83]

@@cadetbooth which one functions smoothly from a mag?

[@jmangus83]

Nevermind. My research showed that the 6GT was designed to feed from an unmodified mag, compared to the other BR cartridges

[@Dennisthemenace40]

Very interesting presentation. I especially like Gavin’s approach to distilling all of the data points into something that’s easily understood.

[@Ultimatereloader]

Thank you!!!!

[@John-uo1qf]

@@Ultimatereloader Any idea the current go to choice among PRS shooters?

[@CorwinBos]

6 GT, Foundation stock, Leupold scope, EC Tuner - that would be my optimal build for competition. I think the GT offers enough upside to deal with some of the potential issues that come along with it. Foundation stocks are really nice. Solid feeling. Shoots like a heavy wood stock without the downside of wood. Scope is what you want. There are tons of nice pieces of glass out there but the VX5 is a decent scope EC Tuner brake is a legit piece of hardware and will help get those groups smaller with out a ton of load dev.

[@joequixotic3039]

For people asking about 6 Arc, it does about the same as a 6BR with worse magazine issues and it has an uncommon rim diameter. It was designed to fit in an AR. Unless you have a mini action bolt gun it won't fit well. A lot of manufacturers try to make the next big thing for ARs because they are popular, they rarely succeed and even more rarely do they translate well to a bolt gun and almost never do they translate to competition. You can translate things like the 6.5 Creedmoor in to a large frame AR, that works well but large frame ARs are a distinct minority compared to the AR15 so they pretty much have to rely on trickle down tech from bolt guns.

[@donttreadonme1423]

Just built a 6 dasher and placed 4th in my first shoot with it. It was only my second shoot. In my first one I had major ammo issues.... like didn't realize the 2nd powder thrower had other powder embedded in the plastic and it was throwing a blend. Used up all of my good ammo from the first thrower on practice and the second batch was dogshit lol. I am definitely a believer in these dashers after seeing what they could do. Running 31.7 gr varget with 103 vapor trail vtacs. Incredible performance.

[@The340king]

What are your thoughts on the 6mm ARC? I realize this is a bolt discussion, but the 6mm ARC has a trajectory very close to the 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@luckymanham302]

I own 2 6ARC gas guns. 1 Wilson Combat 18” barrel and one with a 20” Ballistic Advantage barrel. They are very accurate and reach out well with low recoil and great ballistics. I’m thinking about building a bolt gun also.

[@well5423]

@Gavintoobe I don't get what causes the difference between 6 Dasher vs 6 Creed, if you load identical bullets flying out at identical speeds in both. Where does the difference come from?

[@halfdollar86]

They would be the same if you have the same bullets at same speed. The 6cm has the potential to be flatter shooting than the 6 Dasher because it has more powder capacity and more velocity potential. I didn’t catch the velocity he was using but he was comparing a 109 Berger in the Dasher to a 108eld m in the 6cm. The 109 Berger has a higher BC. At my elevation the 109 Berger can be 50-55 FPS less velocity and still have less drop at 1000 than the 108 eld m. If you launch them both at 2900 FPS the Berger 109 will have 1.4 mils less drop at 1000 yards where I am.

[@andrewb0317]

First year for PRS my self and I’ll be shooting a Ruger Precision Rifle in 308 with 175gr Sierra match king bthp bullets and also 168gr Sierra match king bthp bullets.

[@hmmm2183]

Why no Grendel? It does what Valkyrie promises. In a high efficiency cartridge for short action guns.

[@randomidiot8142]

Not enough velocity. It's 2-300 fps behind the other options.

[@willxu08]

Please do a comparison between all the 6mm cartridge like dasher, XC, GT, BR, BRA, BRX etc.

[@donndavis142]

It's in an MDT ACC CHASSIS 737R ACTION BARTLIEN BARRELL 26" MUZZLE BRAKE NIGHTFORCE NXS 5X22 NXS.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

I opted for the tried and true 243 Win. Its not as good as some other choices out there, but im resizing 308 brass. My cost per round is fairly low, and theyre still more than sub moa at 1k. Running it in an AR10. Barrel changes are a breeze. I can also cut the gas off and run it like a straight pull bolt action, if rules require it. Hard on your bolt faces, though.

[@28eveskcige]

I recently had the opportunity to be an RO at the national finale this year. Knowing very little it was a fantastic experience. Learned so much. So this video was quite a perfect thing following that.

[@donaldpowers8331]

How about a 243 AI, everything is available.(You practice with the factory ammo, then reload) The next choice looks like the 25 Creed, BUT, availability???

[@TexanUSMC8089]

25CM brass is probably as easy to get or form as 243AI.

[@balazra]

So I currently do a comp that is a 2 person team even, spotter and shooter, unknown distance from 100m-1000m a mixture of paper targets with scores 1-5, or 5 gongs 10”/8”/6”/4”/2” scored for a hit 1-5 respectively. No electronic devices to range. Only internal optic reticule to range and spot misses. Similar positional to PRS, and similar timings to PRS.

[@ravnen3744]

I will shoot my hunting rifle for prs i Denmark if i start next year. Its a Sauer 404, 30.06 with a Zeiss V6 2-12 ASV. Its far, far from ideal, but i what i have right now because i am still very young and dont have that much money on the "gun account" yet. Shooting i Denmark is also very expensive, a factory round in normal/good quality is about 1,35$, so training is expensive. I still shoot a lot. Maybe i will upgrade the scope for a Kahles k525 or a PM II 5-25 but we'll see

[@DanielBoone337]

No 6mm ARC??? Just curious as to the why considering all components and dies are much more accessible then the 6 Dasher or 6BR... Great video as always keepem coming guys!!!

[@brentwinkelman1990]

6 arc is 6ppc/.440 bolt head...also there aren't any decent mags for them...6br family/6gt/6creed/6.5creed is stand 308 bolt face with excellent mags available

[@DanielBoone337]

@@brentwinkelman1990 That's odd because there's lots of 6ARC bolt guns out there I've shot them no problems at all...

[@ajones1704]

Rem 260 VLD throat going on 3rd session of shooting it mainly sniper matches but venturing onto PRS some now. 2nd choice is the 6 competition match which is a 243 hybrid. My have a 6x47 done soon ,... maybe 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@tonydevich7937]

You are exactly right on the commitment and the time and expense

[@bernardcochran9709]

I don’t own nor have I shot a 6mm ARC, but recently watched a KZbin video that was a side by side comparison of essentially identical bolt action rifles chambered in 224 Valkyrie and 6mm ARC. Both rifles had 20” barrels and shot factory Hornady Match ammunition. The rifles were shot for comparison on the same day and time by two shooters and engaged targets at 500, 700 and 1000. I’m curious as to your thoughts on the 6mmm ARC as a viable option for PRS style matches?

[@gixxerjunky]

25 creed. I’m shooting a 6GT, impact, foundation, razor.

[@larryclark9380]

New to PRS. Will shoot what I have. Steyr Pro Hunter THB in 6.5 Creedmore with a 4-16X PA scope.

[@loadmastergod1961]

6gt with 109 bergers at 3014fps works out to 240 inches drop at 1000 yards according to my conversion from mils. With my rifle anyhow.

[@loadmastergod1961]

Guess I'll put me specs on too. Tuebor legion action Bartlein 7.5t 26 inch heavy varmint Mdt acc chassis with all internal weights and 4 external to balance. Silencerco omega 300 and qd brake Polymer mags Hornady brass Cci 400 primers Varget

[@Hades-in5jy]

I'm interested in seeing how the 6mm ARC would do.

[@dakotaman4861]

The 6 ARC would do fine. It is basically a 6PPC with a fast twist rate so it launches a 105g bullet a couple hundred fps slower than the Dasher. In competition that is too slow for me by I love that cartridge in an AR15. I reamed my body length .020" longer and I like that even better. Gives me 75-100 fps more velocity over the ARC.

[@diywithjonandpebbles]

Big horn origin, 1:8.5 18” criterion .280 Remington with triggertech primary. Just something I’ve wanted for 20+ years. Mainly for a walking mountain elk /deer gun and to try a PRS match

[@diywithjonandpebbles]

In the short action, I’ll likely go to .223 or else the .260 Remington.

[@Oldhogleg]

Back in the 90's I bought an ARMALITE AR10T in 243 WIN for CMP matches. That barrel was toast in just 700 rounds.

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

That’s the trouble with 6mm, gets expensive burning down barrels

[@wynfrithnichtwo8423]

@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath to true, and why if I were worried about such things, with regards to obtaining a new caliber and rifle, it would be 7mm-08. Does everything .308win does, but with better ballistics/bc, 20% less felt recoil, flat shooting, very similar to the old 7mm Spanish Mauser round in results (hunting), and lighter in weight. If folks figured all of that out these barrel burning, hard to find, niche rounds, which in many cases don’t pack enough to be effective beyond paper punching at said distances, would all go away or back to wildcatters trying to answer questions P.O. Ackley already answered anyway.

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

@@wynfrithnichtwo8423 it’s funny all these new cartridges aren’t any better than 100 year old ones. 7x57 is still a highly viable round . Creedmore, blackout blah blah blah. Hey am I getting old? Lol

[@Mike-xi4zt]

If bullets are cheaper and it burns less powder that covers the cost of the barrel

[@sebastiancoolidge2401]

I’m planning a 6mm creedmoor build, impact 737, Bartlein barrel, little bastard brake, Triggertech diamond, krg whiskey 3 comp, ckyepod gen 2 double pull, athlon Cronus

[@grantjackson691]

I’m shooting 6 cm this year. Hope to see you out there

[@daveknowles3055]

Great Video, I didn't see the Van Halen rifle in your list, it should make it just for the paint job.

[@jims261]

I want to see you tune that 308. Another great video thanks

[@luxsteelshooters]

T3x Semi-Custom 6 Dasher in a PSE Composites E-Tac 4 Stock. With 2 different barrel contours for different style of matches.

[@wideopenyamaha]

Have you considered 6gt

[@oif3vetk9]

This was my first full season shooting PRS. I shoot gas gun and was using a M1A in .308. (It's all I had) I waited on a 6mm ARC upper for almost a year and found one, in stock at brownell's, so I ordered it. Got it the thursday before the last match of the season. Went into the match that saturday with only 66 rds on the rifle, no dry fire time, no idea how it was really going to perform, and ended up going from last place in gas gun the month before to second place. The upper is a aero precision with a 24" heavy barrel, silencer co lower, ambi bolt release, LaRue MBT trigger (recently switched to geissele hi-speed match trigger), luth-ar precision stock, warne one piece ring and vortex pst gen ii glass with harris 6-9" bipod. Ran factory hornady black 105gr and it will hold consistent 3/4 moa, with hornady 108 eld-m ammo it will hold 1/2" moa. (and, at this point, the 108 ammo had a sd of 6 and es of 14, with a muzzle velocity of 2696) For a gas gun I'm extremely happy with it and if anyone is looking to shoot gas gun division I can't recommend this caliber enough. Compared to .308 recoil is very light, it seems to buck the wind better, my setup has been 100% reliable, it's a highly capable caliber for gas gun. I also use a brassgoat brass catcher. Zero complaints about that. Nice not having to chase my brass anymore.

[@MaddMaxxLop]

6GT, MDT ACC, Leupold Mark 5 5-25x. 109 Berger x varget.

[@tallyman15]

Gavin/Travis, One of your best videos. Great information.

[@stephenbaker7499]

I would like to see the Practical difference between the 6br Remington and the 6 Dasher with all things being equal twist rate barrel length Etc... I have to ask myself if the cost of a premium Barrel,and a premium set of dies, to say nothing of the cost of skilled hands machining this rig,.... is it so different than the original 6br ,in the first place?

[@Rico11b]

How the hell does the 6 Dasher with the same weight round (1 grain difference) yet it's a lot flatter shooting than the 6 Creedmoor??? WTH.... The 6 creed has more much powder capacity to drive it harder. Is there a typo there somewhere?

[@Jtmorrison2000]

It comes down to fps requirements for matches. Dasher at full charge is much more efficient then 6 creed at only 3/4. Over 3100fps the creed wins

[@JaredOblit]

He should definitely run the dasher. Who wants 2 options for projectiles?! I’ve looked for and failed to find components way to much to limit my choices that badly. I’m going to run a 6XC, Norma brass with 105’s. 22” barrel, TL3 action in a McMillan A5, gen 2 razor.

[@MikeStJohn-du5ue]

I would go with the 25 Creed first. It had the best of many worlds based on your work up. If fact he hit two of the three I would like to build next. Mine included a Valkary also.

[@CallSign_Aaron]

I'm a little surprised that 6ARC wasn't a contender. That thing is a laser beam!

[@CaptainCreampie69]

It’s because it’s not that good. You are going to get an extra 250-300 FPS in the 6 Creedmoor over the ARC. Now if you are using it in an AR for door kicking, overwatch and other real world tactical applications then yeah, the weight savings of an AR15 over an AR10 is worth it. For posting up and shooting off a bench, the weight isn’t a problem so then the 6 Creedmoor.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@CaptainCreampie69 Well you see... you're wrong about it not being that good. It's near identical velocity to the 6BR, which is one of the most popular PRS cartridges - with good reason. All that 250-300fps gives you in PRS is less barrel life and more recoil.

[@luckymanham302]

@@marcmoore4115you beat me to that point. The 6ARC barrels long outlast the lifespan of a 6 Creedmoor or 6BR.

[@marcmoore4115]

@@luckymanham302 it's just a shame that it's on a weird boltface. I think it'd also be very cool in a Howa 1500 Mini Action (I think Ruger has an equivalent.. the American Ranch maybe?) As a highly portable, small but super efficient cartridge with a surprising amount of 'killing power' and capable to hit targets quite far out there. Just a shame there's almost no aftermarket support for the Howa Mini action. Also - having said that barrel life is important... I'm eyeing my first proper PRS setup soon... in 6 Creed lol.

[@luckymanham302]

@@marcmoore4115 best of luck with your PRS rig/ journey!!!

[@donndavis142]

I'm at 1" at 300 yards. I tweeked off that load and have a four step ladder load ready for the range. And that will be all.

[@donndavis142]

I'll have have a Foundation stock

[@billgoodwin3053]

Shoot the 6 Dasher. If I shoot a PRS or Tactical match it will be with my Savage FLCP-SR in 308. Its the rifle I hunt with and would be good practice.

[@spysweeper]

I say 6 Dasher! I just hope cycling reliability would not be an issue at crunch time!👍🏽 For me, after all your analysis, i think I would stick with my 6.5 Creedmoor!!! Thanks for a well put together presentation on this topic!!! On a different note, i wish for one more tool in my arsenal for long range power and I am set on a custom build 300 PRC!! Thinking of either BAT 3 lug or maybe a Prometheus from Kelbly!!!👍🏽 No budget yet though!😂👍🏽

[@peptaberner5345]

I love 6.5 PRC for PRS or NRL...!!!! 💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍

[@freeandcriticalthinker4431]

I don’t know a huge amount about PRS, but wouldn’t 6.5 PRC be another good option?

[@GeirMeyer]

Thank you so much ❤️..That is a perfect video about all the beautiful things that you can learn, love about the different aspects of shooting.. Please keep that beautiful work up.. It’s all in the details…

[@znutar]

I shoot 6BR so he should go with Dasher...or GT

[@colewk1989]

I enjoyed the video like always! My 25x47 is pushing my 131 Aces at 2,910 fps.

[@longrangelauber]

Running my 25x47 @ 40.4gr of H4350 @ 2870 with 135 Bergers. 2910 is quick for a x47 case, any pressure signs? I got 2910 at 41.1gr but I was hesitant as it was only 65 ambient so didn't want pressure issues on those hot summer days.

[@colewk1989]

@@longrangelauber no pressure and I’m running Varget. 24in 1 in7 twist Rock Creek barrel.

[@bradh74]

You forgot the .260 guys it's close to the 6.5 but some of the guys love that caliber. Not sure why but they use it also .244/6mm rem maybe that's what they have so that's why they shoot it. Eagle eye is shooting the 6mm ARC because of low recoil high BC bullets.

[@nilescoyote4829]

If your going to compare ballistics, wind is going to be more important than drop as you are going to know the distance to target at matches. The exception would be NRL Hunter matches. You will not have difficulty seeing impacts with 6mm's until your 800 and longer. Evan there it's not that difficult to detect unless the mirage is terrible. Out of the cartridges you are looking at 6 Dasher would be my first choice and push 109 hybrid, 110 Atips around 2830fps, second choice would be 6 creedmoor with the bullets above and add the 115 Dtac to the list and plan to run it around 2870-2930 fps. I shoot the 6GT, primarily because of how well it feeds without much mag modifications and at the time that I switched to it (about 3 amd a half years ago) Dasher brass still had to be formed.

[@MountaintravelerEddie]

I can’t find those calibers here…..

[@Oldhogleg]

In competition, one has to accept the fact barrels are a consumable. In today's shortages and unpredictable economy, might want to go with 308 loaded with 155gr Palmas to get the most out of your barrel and component availability, and call it a day.

[@erickaracsonyi4415]

308 should have been in the discussion. Ballistically it’s not as good as some on this list. However, I’ve been able to find 308, I haven’t been able to find 6.5. It’s a great “trainer” round. Granted recoil isn’t the best.

[@Troutbert]

155 palmas are really excellent and make the old work horse relevant. I still have a boat load of them for just fun shooting. 308 with palmas are my favorite (even more than 130grs out of my 260).

[@benwagner4770]

I vote 25 Creedmoor because of component availability and magazines. If I was doing this I’d go with 6 GT.

[@anthonykhalil70]

6xc

[@7989maw]

What about 6.5x284, 284wm, 30-338wm, 300wm, more recoil but better ballistics

[@sylviastroh729]

I shoot gas gun ar15 -6mm fat rat. 26in kreiger 1-8 easy to make wild cat 6.5 grendel brass neck down to 6mm fireform to chamber very accurate easy shooting no feed problems with 6.5 grendel mags 107 smk,105 Berger,95 Berger,run at about 2800 FPS,excellent accuracy ,and very fun!!!

[@raythemanroe]

6BRA is near Dasher velocity with the same bullets with better barrel/brass life. 800/900/1k yards I would rather a WSM, wind deflection is a big factor..

[@johnwilliams-gk1fb]

As a prominent Prs gun maker said at a match when asked “why did you switch from dasher to br “? He replied I can reliably predict a 1/4” gun over a 3/8” gun with less mess out of a br. Truer words have never been said at a Prs match.

[@theunforgivenpuritan4102]

I am looking at my first centerfire Benchrest rifle...thinking of going 6BR...should I go with a Cooper or a build? If I go build...could you suggest action, stock, barrel? 100 - 500 yard distance

[@johnwilliams-gk1fb]

@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 I would have it built by a reputable builder. For prs you really want a gun that feeds smoothly and reliably. Many good actions and barrels. Keep in mind fit and balance is critical in prs and useful weight like barrel length and profile is imo better than adding dead weight. That being said a 26” mtu profile balances well however 29” is the big thing for the 6mm cartridges atm

[@jordanhays732]

I use a 270wsm in a savage long action which allows me to load it with heavy for caliber projectiles.

[@68pitty]

6X47 LAP & 6XC over 6 creed & 243 win.

[@cwreese345]

6 Dasher, not even a question. When I run out or Berger 105 hybrid target bullets, I'll shoot my 223AI. Both guns are identical, Defiance Ruckus action Bartlein M24 26" barrel. Masterpiece Arms Matrix chasis with Trigger Tech Diamond trigger with Leupold Mark V HD 7-35X56MM. Use Lapua brass in both guns, N140 powder in the dasher with CCI BR4 primers and either IMR 8208XBR or CFE223 WITH Sierra 77gr HPBT in the AI using Federal 205m's. Both guns are amazingly accurate of course the dasher is almost cheating. I also have an American Rifle Company Archimedes action in a Xylo chasis chambered in 6GT. I shoot reworked 6.5x47 Lapua brass in it with Sierra 110gr. HPBT, RL-16 powder and Remington 7 1/2 primers. I have yet to shoot it in a match but plan on it this coming season

[@IMPACTSHOOTING]

1 - 6DASHER Bat Machine TR 2 - See above ⬆️

[@Ultimatereloader]

I agree!!!!! Hard to beat that combo 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@MrMantraMan]

Piet your hydroforming vid was great, what you can't do with a big hammer and some water.