Ultra Ego Is Super Saiyan 3

[@SaiyanScholar]

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[@lilsesshy]

Vegeta during Black saga "SS3 is trash, you're kicking your own ass as much as you're kicking your opponents ass." Vegeta once he learns Ultra Ego, "Wait.. are you telling me that the more I get my ass kicked the more powerful I become? If I infuse this ability with SS3 then I'll grow in power exceptionally."

[@SaiyanScholar]

LMAO. It's more to do with physical traits than it is a level of power but... lol

[@ryuzaki602]

Toyotaro: "Can we give him the SSJ3 look for Ultra Ego? Y'know, since he never got it." Toriyama, holding back laughter: "Sure"

[@nick6253]

I like to think SSJ3 in Daima was Toriyama's way of messing Toyotaro, since he is tasked with moving super along 😂

[@StarkOberon4]

Ego has 3 letters . I dont think its a coincidence

[@SaiyanScholar]

LMAO

[@Gabriel-Crandall]

@@SaiyanScholar”coincidence? I think NOT!” -flash’s teacher

[@loregasmic]

He also lost with it 3 times. Granolah, Gas and Black Frieza

[@Walshy8113]

Beast has 5 letters and instinct has 8 so...

[@loregasmic]

@@Walshy8113And 8-5=3. Ultra Ego confirmed

[@R.E.factor]

I agree with your assessment / theory. SSB = SSJ ; SSBE = SS2 ; UE = SS3. When you think about it like that it makes sense. Vegeta is moving up the SSGSS tree in his own way which is what he set out to do after determining that UI wasn’t the path for him because he’s not suited for it.

[@SaiyanScholar]

That's a cool equivalent to the golden forms in terms of path.

[@majinrebornx2220]

​@@SaiyanScholar SsjG is his base with God Ki causing him to transform

[@nikhilkansal4636]

Isn't ssbe grade 2?

[@Ring3706]

​@@nikhilkansal4636 I mean, kindaaa. Its got the traits of Grade 2 like bigger muscles and a more rigid yet still the SSJ hair but the difference is one is an actual transformation(SSJBE) and one is just Super Saiyan forced to output more power(ASSJ/SSJG2). Not to mention the different aura, eyes, and hair color difference too.

[@R.E.factor]

@@nikhilkansal4636 no it’s not, nor is it officially SSB2 like I’m suggesting. I just think the parallels between the normal SSJ forms and the SSGSS forms fit very well here for Vegeta.

[@freemygrandma956]

Hill I’m willing to die on, should have been called Primal Instinct

[@daddydreet245]

I just left a comment for the hill I’ll die on because you’re comment was awesome

[@fuseteam]

It's actually called 'wagamama no gokui' or 'the secret of selfishness'

[@freemygrandma956]

@@fuseteam thoe that does sound pretty cool I still like primal instinct lol you know cause of primate monkey and all that idk it falls into my thoughts that if they had their tails ssj4 would be the actual Lssj form

[@fuseteam]

@@freemygrandma956 well technically ultra instinct is "migatte no gokui" which is also "the secret of selfishness", the difference between wagamama and migatte? one is more arrogant :P but yeah i agree that ssj4 is the true lssj form

[@Ring3706]

I am pretty sure Ultra Ego is more of an identity form, since Ego, Super Ego, and ID. The Ego balances the Super Ego and the ID. And since the form is tied to identity Vegeta's identity is leading towards the primal saiyan roots of his.

[@jpdicey789]

Exactly, I've said this ever since the form appeared and I do think you're right, Toppo and Beerus have Hakaishin forms, but Ultra Ego is the Saiyan version of it, SS3 is so potent that the stamina drain burns away energy, but since this is a Godly Destruction energy equivalent of SS3 the user has far more control over their power and use zenkais to grow in the heat of battle, both are primal Saiyan forms but Ultra Ego allows Vegeta the chance to take advantage of his primal Saiyan power to the fullest extent!

[@zainsiddiqi7633]

cool

[@fuseteam]

'Super saiyan 4 with no eyebrows can't hurt you'

[@shariqhasan6220]

I also thought of this the same way. Vegeta combined his SSJ3 form with the power he obtained due to training with Whis and Beerus to acheive Ultra Ego.

[@SaiyanScholar]

I think it's awesome! Purple rocks

[@amelie-m5s]

Giving ssj3 to vegeta was a move made by toei to satisfy vegeta fans

[@hekusblaze7042]

His ego sure looks inflated in ssj3...makes sense😂

[@SaiyanScholar]

YES!

[@Nightfoxx444]

Not as many people notice it but Ultra Ego Vegeta hair isn't just his base form hair recolored. It looks kinda different, it looks like Ssj3 Vegeta hair but much shorter

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

Its kind of like how Vegeta has stated during the events of Dragon Ball GT where he was doing some self-reflection on the past exploits that he had done while also being with Goku at the same time and learning new ways to achieve greater levels of power albeit in his own unique way of doing things. Just like what happened to him when he achieved Super Saiyan 4 like Goku had done with his SS4 For example we don't know what kind of training Goku had underwent when he was in Otherworld to achieve the level of power of Super Saiyan 3 at that time & the same thing with Vegeta where he was trained for 7 years but we don't know on how much of growth he got until he achieved the majin form that he got from Babadi as a boost to his own unique strength. Then of course there's Daima which had Vegeta going Super Saiyan 3 and Bulma explain to Goku that he was training for a very good long time before eventually he gained this form after watching or learning about it from Goku, where the two had Fusion to Vegito, which could be a good chance that he learned from that because of the fusion between both minds. As for Ultra ego it's basically the opposite coin to Goku's Ultra instinct to make the Level Playing Field for both Saiyans to have, just like Gohan has his own unique Godly form which is called the beast form and we saw how that was when he had a sparring match with his father in Ultra Instinct form.

[@SaiyanScholar]

I love that they are completely opposite to each other!

[@great159]

Majin Vegeta is NOT a form, It's Vegeta powered up that's all🤓

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

@@great159 that's what I was mentioning about when Vegeta fell prey to the evil sorcerer's spell (Babadi's magic), by his own hands, and got a boost in power thus making the majin form (Boost) exclusively to him in order to fight Goku on an even playing field at Super Saiyan 2 before he realized it was a waste when he discovered the power of Super Saiyan 3 from his rival that he was holding back during their fight.

[@great159]

GT did something like this first. Baby Vegeta= SSJ Vegeta Super Baby=SSJ2 Vegeta (SSJ2 hair but white) Ultimate Super Baby=SSJ3 Vegeta (missing eyebrows) So you can say Vegeta went SSJ 2/SSJ3 in GT even if someone was controlling his body🤓💯

[@ayonhussainforever9390]

Ultimate Super baby? U mean Super Baby 2?

[@THELIGHTKNIGHT_2025]

This makes sense alot of sense I'll study it further.

[@imsocentral2872]

Ego is literally Vegeta tapping into his Saiyan potential with God Ki so this makes perfect sense, just imagine if he had a tail though🥶

[@jibbobdion5072]

When Ultra Wgo gets mastered I think Vegeta will gain the long hair.

[@San.Garcia]

3 words that describe this entire video. "Head Cannon nonsense."

[@Jamesboyyy-d2s]

Nice! Someone who finally understands that Ultra Ego isn’t the default God of Destruction technique like how UI is with angels

[@meowsquared]

I'd love to see Vegeta continue to evolve Ultra ego. Maybe he goes back to planet Yardrat to learn healing, so he can always keep himself just topped off enough that his injuries can thrill him but never truly cripple his abilities. Let my man become a wild, unstoppable force of destruction.

[@ScorchingProductions1]

I hope that Ultra Ego Vegeta gets added to Dragon Ball Sparking Zero!

[@CrazyDiamond419]

They never seem to release anything unless it’s animated already they’re lame for that😊

[@SaiyanScholar]

A dream!

[@40sTheNew20s]

Super Saiyan 3 Scholar

[@OmniDivin]

Ultra Ego has no eyebrows because Toyotaro wanted Vegeta to look more like Beerus lol

[@Ando1428]

Thank you I kept trying to keep the powers guidelines clear. That the technique that beerus taught vegeta that granted ego had a varia effect depending on who used it. It would give beerus or goku different powers if the ability is used.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Makes sense to me!

[@shadowguy_7383]

Bro they gotta let you continue the story…😂😂 loved the vid man ❤funny

[@SaiyanScholar]

Thanks man!! Oh I'd love to help with the story. That is a forever-dream though lol.

[@YakiBaki]

This is NOT cooking considering now it's canon Vegeta has ssj3

[@JonJones-b5n]

Now we wait for the second tournament of power so we can see a rematch against g.o.d toppo.

[@Arlikuwow]

Man i recently discovered your channel i love the fact that you go for unique topics! Now i definetely need to check the manga again since i havent in quite a long time but i do love the stuff you point out i do wonder if the lack of eyebrows is completely to his choosing,when Frieza showcases gold i dont remember if it was the manga the movie or the anime but i do remember the distinction that he chose the forms colour i wonder if Vegeta chose this aspect too have to check more on this but i definitely love that a form called Ego has an aspect of the ultimate super saiyan form from the super saiyan line at least and i also love the irony to it ssj3 being constantly draining while Ego powers you up as you take damage ,This also makes me realise Ego would probably be the best form for a user to combine with kaioken.

[@andrewryan824]

I think Vegeta just puts destruction on ssj3 because that's probably the form it's best used with. and the reason the hair is shorter is because the ki he's using is different

[@DaniG._.German]

Did you ever explain why Ssj3, SsjGod, SsjBlue Evolve, UI and UE have pupils whereas other forms don't?

[@SaiyanScholar]

I haven't looked into that but may one day!

[@YourNameDoesNotCheckout]

Design choice.. Same reason why Trunks has pupils and other saiyans don't or how goku's eyes don't fully connect but in ssj they do

[@Thehiddenleafsaiyan]

From buu saga Goku to Ultra Ego vegeta Once them eyebrows comes off you better take off 😭🏃💨

[@SaiyanScholar]

LOL, such a cool look

[@justinleecortez]

That’s a stretch bro. It’s obvious he had SS3 by the time he achieved god ki. Just like how goku earn SS2 offscreen

[@SonnsStorytelling]

interesting way of looking at it I love what they’re doing in daima 💪🏽

[@dwightnorton3398]

Nice 👍

[@beerexpert1057]

It's gotta be something to do with stamina consumption and reserves. We know SS3 is very stamina intensive and consuming. My guess is that using Ultra Ego can utilize the SS3's stronger body for longer because he's got more power reserves here, utilizing god ki while also being able to turn up his power output and recharge a little by taking damage.

[@SaiyanScholar]

It was only stamina demanding because Goku didn't have the juice to handle it in the Buu Saga. In DBS, their stamina is way better in higher forms.

[@dalelifting_]

i always thought it was connected to SSJ3 since it came out, anyone else ??

[@Ragetroll-c7s]

Even March's a ssj3 reference for this guy.

[@webhead9368]

I can kinda see UE being a super saiyan god super saiyan 3 mixed with destruction energy

[@fatkid-pk1gw]

Technically true ultra instinct is gokus own form of mui so he is getting there himself

[@kagetsuki23]

You do realise that goku is fusing his saiyan nature with his Ultra Instinct in the figth against Gas?

[@Sjono]

How many Zenkai boosts did Vegeta receive before arriving to earth? He clearly didn’t challenge Frieza’s army or anybody stronger than him prior

[@cxkxr1212]

saiyans are from the demon realm too. look at the ears of the great ape

[@enma8441]

Ssj1 + god ki = ssb Ssj2 + god ki = ssbe Ssj3 + god ki + hakai energy = ultra ego Imagine goku combining ui + ssj3

[@Franklin_Araujo]

Goku need to be calm to turn Migatte no Gokui. Super Saiyajin need anger to become one. SSJB *is not* = to SSJ. SSJB its Super Sayian God turn into SSJ That's why he could puts Kaioken with SSJBlue because god ki its calm.

[@nick6253]

As cool as the concept is, both forms require complete opposite mindsets. It's been a while, so please correct me if I'm wrong; but Ultra Ego requires the user to cast aside everything, whereas Ultra Instinct is a culmination of everything you've learned in the past

[@joshlariviere152]

would make sense if the anime producer didn't specify that the form is equal to kk20 blue and gp in the manga states its similar to ui omen. Even though we don't know the multiplier of ssg-blue exactly(aside from fusion being weaker than base fusions as broly movie shows), I doubt doubling it or quadrupling will make it as strong as what it's shown and implied to be.

[@d4c1vtn98]

​@@nick6253 you're not wrong. They do require entirely different mindsets but you got the wrong idea. Ultra Ego requires the mindset of a destroyer. Ultra Instinct requires a calm mind (usually) and you need to cast away all stray thoughts and focus.

[@nick6253]

@@d4c1vtn98 ah, I had it flipped 😅 thanks for explaining it

[@teloyl]

People often choose to ignore what Toriyama said in an interview at 2014's Saikyo Jump July Interview. Toriyama said that Goku learned that he can increase his power more by mastering Base and SSJ than SSJ2 and 3. This is a different path from GT where it is always Base < SSJ1 < SSJ2 < SSJ3 < Golden Oozaru < SSJ4 Super's Path is Base & SSJ > SSJ2 and 3. This is clearly reflected in DBS: Broly Movie where Goku and Vegeta skipped SSJ2 and 3, and jumped straight into SSJG. Ultra Ego is just a poor interpretation of the other side of the coin of Ultra Instincts which is based off: Carefree and willfully ignore all reasons and logic to keep raising Pinnacle. Which is the precursor of the extremely terrible: Utterly destroying everything about yourself even your ancestry to become an Infinitely stronger void of unfathomable. UE and UI are not part of the SSJ line. They are something else entirely and no matter how much resemblence you see with SSJ2, SSJ3 or even SSJ4, they have nothing to do with them. In fact, UE and UI are supposed to be Goku and Vegeta going even further away from the peak of Saiyan Power, the mighty SSJ4. In exchange for power that SSJ4 can never ever come close to a fraction, they are abandoning their Saiyan roots. Remember what Beerus said and what Toppo did when he went into GoD. Beerus said he is always fully committed to Destruction. Toppo turned into his GoD form when he discarded his Justice and focused on destruction. Then what do you think is going to happen to the psyche of someone who can succeed in entering UI while in that state? They will be so focused, they become an entirely new person. And what do you think is the level above? Biological and Soul changing into something else. I don't think they will introduce something like this, but I won't be surprised if the next level is Goku and/or Vegeta biologically change into something else where their new base will be greater than anything the Saiyan Race's Possibilities can ever hope to offer (Not even Broly's LSSJB4Ekk x20 UIUE absorbed to Base going LSSJB4Ekkx20UIUE), but they will cease to become Saiyans. They will be something else. Something so strong, where the weakest is stronger than the strongest Saiyans who can break their limits infinitely without side effects can never ever hope to match.

[@Yueymosthated]

This comment is underrated but I agree with you this video ain’t nothing but a theory if you look at ssj3 vegeta from Diama and look at ultra ego vegeta the hairstyle is different idk why some people feel like it’s the same his hair is longer in ssj3 basically telling you that ultra ego has nothing to do with ssj3

[@teloyl]

@@Yueymosthated For me, its the context in which they achieve the forms that differentiates the God Forms from SSJ1 Grades 1, 2, 3, 4, SSJ2, SSJ3, Golden Oozaru and SSJ4. The mentioned forms are them drawing upon more powerful of the possibilities their Saiyan ancestry can offer. The God Forms starts with incorporating the Divine into their Super Saiyan Forms. But instead of going forward, 1, 2, 3, 4, given enough time, I wouldn't even be surprised that GT went to gone SSJ5, 6 etc... While God Forms goes in reverse. Starting with Vegeta surpassing SSJ3 with his enraged SSJ2 and then Goku surpassing Vegeta's enraged SSJ2 in SSJ1. Then with the SSJ1 that can surpass SSJ3, perhaps even Golden Oozaru and SSJ4 if he master it far enough... he stacked God Ki and turned it into SSJGSS aka SSJB. Instead of going SSJB Grade 2, 3, 4, SSJB2 and 3 like how many fans who completely missed (or deliberately choose not to see) this point that Toriyama placed in plain sight for everything to see... Goku stacked Kaioken on top of SSJB, a technique he learned earlier, a technique that pushes one's limits to extreme, the embodiment of who Goku is. While Vegeta draw more power from his familial attachments, pride as Saiyan Prince and promise made to Cabba to evolve his SSJB. All these things that gives him SSJBE is who Vegeta is. You know what is similar between these two methods of how Goku and Vegeta advances in their SSJB? You don't need to be a Saiyan to have all these. Goku and Vegeta can be Namekians with the same personality and attachments. They can probably have similar sort of Namekian transformation or power ups as SSJB and make them stronger using the same things. Slowly and surely, Goku and Vegeta are going beyond what Saiyans can ever be. One can go as far as saying that UI and UE by nature are pure Divine Forms that are not restricted to species, anyone regardless of race with the right aptitudes can gain these forms. They just won't have SSJ and their God variants, but rather, perhaps everyone needs to have something that's equivalent of all the SSJs and God variant forms to reach UI and UE and can stack them on these Pure Divine Forms to help them eventually master them.

[@majinrebornx2220]

Also don't foget the interview/description that says Uktra Ego resembles Ssj3

[@stefanbrown3116]

It's a technique.. there for it can be used as gokus kaioken can, on any form. Therfore it can be used onto of any transformation he sees fit. Can haunts ss4 ultra ego.. just needs more training less hate. If your following someone then you'll allways be behind them ❤

[@drebodollaz3504]

I like the idea of it, because it reminds me of his Zenkai boost exploit in Namek saga.

[@GogetaTuiego]

2:45 WRONG gokus incorperation is through tui

[@CuzzntE]

Hey guys.. NO EYEBROWS

[@SaiyanScholar]

INSANE!

[@great159]

Ultra Ego is like a SSJ3 form for the blue forms of Vegeta, but it's NOT SSJ3. It's like in GT even though Baby was the one controlling his body. Baby Vegeta= SSJ1 Super Baby= SSJ2 (It's SSJ2 Vegeta with white hair) Ultimate Super Baby= SSJ3 (missing eye brows)

[@YYOUNGG.ZZEUSS]

Modo ahorro 🚬🗿

[@proheraldsjr3000]

Beerus calls his power destruction literally. Vegeta harness the power of destruction and named the new form ultra ego. I don’t get where these bums get off saying beerus has ultra ego when he doesn’t that’s unique to vegeta. Beerus destruction is waaaay stronger.

[@DogNingenAuthor]

You might be onto something

[@daddydreet245]

Hill I’ll die on, red haired saiyan isn’t super saiyan god. It’s literally a regular saiyan with god Ki. It’s just saiyan god. Going blue is super saiyan god. Either way, Vegeta is the badass of the series and GT was lame because pan and KakaROT are both lame characters so who wants to watch them?

[@scrubzero1735]

He’s yapping a little bit. But for once he’s not hating

[@deletoblue1436]

Didn't watch yet but this seems like a LONG stretch 😭

[@SaiyanScholar]

Freaky Face Mode

[@philly2548]

Nah, it made some sense

[@majora919]

Saiyan scholar please make a video on why pan not going super saiyan was actually the correct decision, been seeing a lot of "pan should have got SS" takes

[@SaiyanScholar]

I'll take a look!

[@xrafaelarcade4473]

I think the next step will be for ue to look how toppo did in the tournament of power since vegeta dose not have the symbols on his body and chest and the final look of ue will be a more base look since beerus and the other god of destruction don't look like toppo when there at full power in terms of the Manga since they had a fight going all out and they look the same as in base

[@jordanjames8864]

Vegeta never went ssj3😂 diama is a fever dream, that they made up on the fly let’s get real

[@SuperWyatt0608]

I personally think ssj4 is vegeta most saiyn form considering its actually a super saiyn form and stated to go back to the routes😅

[@EricMontero-jh8pc]

How cool is purple?

[@GogetaTuiego]

if ssj3 is primal than ssj4 is just ssj3 but fully primal and more powerful yes i know it isnt cannon

[@Astrobishop]

This sounds good but they aren't connected at all..... .when toppo used destruction he got the same scary look, he gotvway bigger, and stronger Beer is told Vegeta In order to properly use destruction, he has to solely think about destruction without remorse.... just like how Topo got stronger by simply casting away his Justice in favor of Destruction

[@AceOnYou.T]

Just a nitpick I've noticed about Super Saiyan 3: Goku and Vegeta haven't mastered SSJ3 yet, lemme explain: The first concept for SSJ3 had a tail, that's gonna be important later on in my explanation! Vegeta's SSJ3 looks like the unused proto-type for Goku's SSJ3, and at the same time it looks exactly like when Goku's hair started slowly getting spikier and longer BEFORE it got as long as the iconic SSJ3 we know. This could mean that this is simply the first stage of SSJ3, think like Grade 1 SSJ. You could even call it Grade 6 SSJ, with Goku's SSJ3 being Grade 7 SSJ. We also know that in The Spin-Off for Dragon Ball; Dragon Ball Heroes, that Goku Black has his own SSJ3 Rosé. He managed to "Perfect" and "Master it". During perfecting it, he got his eyebrows back, his control was better and the form wasn't draining at all. This COULD be Grade 8 SSJ. While Goku was transforming in the Anime-Canon during the Buu-Saga, we could see Goku essentially revert back to something that looks similar to when the Saiyan's body get's buff, their eyes become red, their fangs and claws longer all while transforming into an Oozaru. Piecing that together with the fact that Akira Toriyama intended for the form to have a Tail could indicate that there's another Grade even beyond the known "Grade 8". I'm not saying this falls under the SSJ4 category, since I do believe that all the Grades for SSJ are simply mutations of SSJ 1, and that SSJ4 is simply another route like the God Ki route, however I am saying that we could've gotten a form similar in looks to what Goku looked like while transforming to SSJ3, where his hair became slightly blue, his eyes became white, his eyebrows were gone, his eyebrow bridge more defined, his body buff and hairier and his tail's back One could even argue that SSJ4 simply comes AFTER the stage that I just described, but I do firmly believe that this is the final stage of SSJ 3, not the one that Goku uses, nor the one that Goku Black used in Heroes. Other than that, great video! I'm not sure if you've done a video about Super Saiyan 3 like that, but this is just a thought I've had ever since it was revealed that Vegeta has "SSJ3"

[@SaiyanScholar]

Thanks man! And thanks for the detailed comment! Love the passion

[@thecontinuousone3183]

ue: tank ui: dex

[@AshuraToolit]

Ultra ego appeared in chapter 74 7+4 equals 11 and 1+1 equals 2 that's the number before 3 . coincidence ? I think not . And when vegeta turned into UE he used 3 bubbles of speech to speak again the number 3 .coincidence? I think not . And apaul means apple and an apple a day keeps the doctor away which means apaul is stronger than Dr gero and cell max

[@SaiyanScholar]

OMG YES

[@hajjohnson2460]

God is base God Blue is ssj God Blue Evolution is ssj2 Ultra Ego is ssj3 base 🤔

[@macmainemusik5913]

Beast is ssj 3 as well then

[@SaiyanScholar]

Freaky Face Mode not quite there!

[@Alifkhan-qo6cx]

Damn

[@SaiyanScholar]

YEESSS

[@pablo.gonzales945]

Could have just played in Iron and done it in 30 mins

[@trunksviper6583]

Euforia

[@NathanielPiscian]

A ssg3 if you will

[@rjackdaw]

its all about his Pride getting stronger and bolder

[@laser_flipz2126]

This is the dumbest title I've ever seen

[@josemore3]

Sho is

[@jayhernandez9285]

No it’s not 🤷‍♂️

[@holdthetruthhostage]

Ultra Ego is trash, a bootleg SS3, WITH a low cut & the earrings from Super Android 13

[@sdot6]

No it’s not 🤣

[@Darkside-bv2zh]

This is like hearing a one piece theory.....again

[@SaiyanScholar]

What's One Piece?

[@Darkside-bv2zh]

@SaiyanScholar what's a theory?

[@CoolerV2]

Cope