Ultra Ego Vegeta vs Orange Piccolo Fight Breakdown

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@abdul-quadrialiyu8085
@abdul-quadrialiyu8085 Жыл бұрын
Also two characters that have never fought
@Space_Gojira
@Space_Gojira Жыл бұрын
*each other Not trying to be a grammar nerd, I know what you meant in the first place. It's just rereading it makes it sound like they've never fought b4. 😅😅
@WilliamCruthirdIV
@WilliamCruthirdIV Жыл бұрын
@@Space_Gojira no it doesnt he commented correctly
@realgrim6239
@realgrim6239 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta fought a evil version of Piccolo in buu’s body for a little second lol
@xXLiLJokerXx
@xXLiLJokerXx Жыл бұрын
​@@realgrim6239yeah but that was just filler, and it was basically a copy and was very short. We've never seen them actually fight each other. That's like saying everyone who fought the purple Vegeta clone also fought Vegeta and idk that just doesn't feel right.
@TWAnime-fv4fo
@TWAnime-fv4fo Жыл бұрын
Just alot of teases
@songoku9348
@songoku9348 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta and Piccolo had a mini fierce rivalry in the early arcs of Z. It would be interesting to see them fight.
@seanakima50515e
@seanakima50515e Жыл бұрын
And never threw hands..
@gregkareem9824
@gregkareem9824 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta wins easily
@songoku9348
@songoku9348 Жыл бұрын
@@gregkareem9824 Not necessarily, it depends on whether or not Piccolo merged with Kami. If fused Piccolo fought Vegeta pre ROSAT, he might’ve beat him.
@Randomguyusee
@Randomguyusee Жыл бұрын
​@@songoku9348if your using that piccolo then Vegeta ascended ssj definitely beats piccolo
@DynastyZwarrior90
@DynastyZwarrior90 Жыл бұрын
A fight between them was teased 3 times. First in Saiyan Saga, but Piccolo died before he got the chance. When Piccolo arrived on Namek, he told Vegeta ''after I kill Frieza I'm coming for you''. And last in Trunks Saga, Piccolo and Vegeta almost got into a fight but Goku intervened.
@stevelucky7579
@stevelucky7579 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta: I can separate your fusion! Piccolo: *turns to camera* I’m about to do what is considered a Mafuba move. Frieza: *survives Hakai and destruction energy multiple times* Vegeta: Hakai! Piccolo: *scapegoats with the ability to sever his own body and regenerates * I’ve watched you fight time and again, I’ve watched you get your butt handed to you while I watched from the sidelines. You think I don’t pay attention, that I don’t pick up on your weakness, your habits, what you consider shaking it up to get past your enemies? You think I don’t make contingency plans? I’ve had the pleasure of watching you fall over and over and over again, but I don’t think you’ve seen me fight in years.
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
Piccolo gets one shotted by base vegeta Yeah good story tho
@Saiku
@Saiku Жыл бұрын
For all we know Orange Piccolo has giga amped regeneration thanks to the dragon.
@Space_Gojira
@Space_Gojira Жыл бұрын
I kind of wish that Orange Piccolo had more to him accompanied with his transformation. If only he had some sort of unique Namekian-based technique or a secondary ability that goes with his form like in Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego.
@BM-sg1sl
@BM-sg1sl Жыл бұрын
We haven’t seen his techniques.. yet
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Жыл бұрын
Well he only used the form twice, so we don't really know what it can do yet. It could very well be more than just a power buff.
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
ya kinda sad it didnt buff his regeneration tho. at least to buu level... smh. come on now toriyama. dont let it be one and done for orange piccolo!! 😟
@USBase2395
@USBase2395 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@ssppeeaarrorange piccolo with kid Buu level regeneration would work but would also be TOO OP I meant like imagine black frieza destroying earth and piccolo just regens from tiniest pieces of himself in space only just for him to fly towards planet cereal or namek and resurrect everybody that was killed. Not only that with that level of regeneration it can be used at anytime whether it's through all the characters losing leaving only him left or for any other type plot etc..
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
@@USBase2395 nameks cant breathe in space so he would die... lol. but i get what u mean but even with buus OP regen it can still work. buu can still easily be destroyed by someone way stronger. even ss3 goku said he could have wrecked fat boo. but then the regen can be nerf'd when he takes too much damage or over uses it. kinda like wearing him out. or it gets harder for him to do. as we saw with super buu vs vegetto. but just saying piccolo needs more unique abilities to go with orange. it should make his namek abilities buff too. i hope we get some cool stuff in the future with this form. i really do huge fan of big green.
@LemonsCure
@LemonsCure Жыл бұрын
Fun facts regarding both characters: in Legacy of Goku 2, officially Toe licensed GBA game, in his Super Namekian form Piccolo recovers his health, the only character in the game who does that. And Vegeta has the highest endurance level of all characters. Only Ssj2 Gohan (called Super Saiyan Rage in the game) has higher, but only in that form, as his stats are maxed out.
@Geekdom101
@Geekdom101 Жыл бұрын
dope facts; thank you
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 10 ай бұрын
Interesting Cool
@tikko1023
@tikko1023 Жыл бұрын
"Riiiight! Wow, we've never actually fought! That's so weird!" Fucking DBZA forever getting quoted 😂😂😂
@SINE382
@SINE382 Жыл бұрын
It feels like piccolo has surpassed evolution blue and sign ui but there’s levels to this and I think piccolo and gohan aren’t at mastered ui or ue
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Жыл бұрын
It’d be nice if Vegeta and Piccolo developed their own kind of rivalry outside of Goku. Right now, Vegeta has far too many hax for Piccolo to keep up with. So unless Toriyama gives Piccolo some hax to even the odds, Vegeta takes it. I’d like to imagine Piccolo would make him work for it though.
@Kannibu
@Kannibu Жыл бұрын
Honestly piccolo can strip vegeta if his clothes mid battle lol
@zachm8331
@zachm8331 Жыл бұрын
Man what do you mean “hax”? Vegeta actually worked hard and trained to get to where he is now. Piccolo made a wish.
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
@@zachm8331he means abilities “Hax” is a term people use for abilities Instead of just saying abilities
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Жыл бұрын
@@supesisfodder7427THANK YOU.
@92pittsburgsteelers
@92pittsburgsteelers Жыл бұрын
He said in spirit fission he could split fusions,and merge beings like piccolo back in Moro arc
@AwakenZen
@AwakenZen Жыл бұрын
Vegeta. Not a real match unless Piccolo gets another buff
@AbyssScythe
@AbyssScythe Жыл бұрын
Exactly Lmfao and even if Piccolo gets another Buff Vegeta is a fucking Saiyan who is training with The Strongest God in The Entire Multiverse Lord Beerus so that means Vegeta will obviously get another form even more Powerful then Lord Beerus whose even stronger then Orange Juice Piccolo just like he did with both ARJ and Alex with both The Godkiller Ultra Vegito Arc & The Beerus & Whis Train Goku & Vegeta to Face The Top 5 Strongest In The Entire Multiverse Arc
@AwakenZen
@AwakenZen Жыл бұрын
@@AbyssScythe While what you said is true we still shouldn't be naive to the fact that Dragon Ball can make an ass pull at any time making unworthy characters OP out of nowhere example Android 17
@AbyssScythe
@AbyssScythe Жыл бұрын
@@AwakenZen & Gohan lmfao and Freiza except he trained his ass off in some random ass Room of Spirit & Time & Trained in a different Dimension for like 10 years and he comes outta nowhere and one shots both Goku and Vegeta who trained with both Beerus & Whis for idek how long to be honest but who both gained God & Angel Powers and even tho Vegeta just transformed into Ultra Ego should of learned how to use on the fly should have understood how it works and not flopped like he did in the manga and for Goku who failed using Ultra Instinct who said he mastered it and is transforming into Some Sort of Even More Powerful Omen Form and not using his MUI Form who bested Moro who had Novice Angel (Merus)Powers within him and made Moro look like a bitch who almost pulled an Imperfect Cell against Teen Ss2 Gohan and who bested Jiren who Stronger Then His Own God of Destruction & Yet They Both Lost to 2 Of The Supposedly 2 Strongest in U7 who literally Wished to be The Strongest with 2 Random Ass Dragonballs outta nowhere on a Random Ass Planet Outta Seemingly Nowhere Tell Me How Any Of That Makes Sense To You.
@Asmith-xu7mp
@Asmith-xu7mp 5 ай бұрын
Yesssirrrrrr
@OurKindofEntertainment
@OurKindofEntertainment Жыл бұрын
Forced Spirit Fission is Vegeta's claim to victory with a couple of punches he could knock Kami & Nail out of Piccolo drastically dropping his power in the same way Buu's strength decreased when Goku & Vegeta ripped the 'people pods' holding Piccolo & the boys in Buu's head. As for Hakai, we've seen from True Golden Frieza & Super Saiyan Blue Evolution Vegeta that if you're strong enough to overpower energy of destruction then you won't be vaporized. I could see Orange Piccolo (at the start of the fight) being powerful enough to NOT get wiped from existance from the technique. Heck, we know he could regenerate. However, if the battle went on long enough and Vegeta took enough damage to grow to a power above Orange Piccolo then I could see him being able to use it successfully on him. One last thought, if Piccolo grew into a giant then Vegeta would need to shot a Hakai LARGE enough and POWERFUL enough to take out his much bigger opponent. I don't know if he could pull that off, but you never know with those Saiyans...
@KingGazaRadio823
@KingGazaRadio823 Жыл бұрын
Orange Piccolo is a BEAST ! BUT I don't think he'sa match for Ultra Ego Vegeta 😤
@chiefsosa077
@chiefsosa077 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta stomps so bad piccolo has to go wish for an extra form
@Vulpas
@Vulpas Жыл бұрын
Vegeta gets one shotted like Gamma to whom he's equal. Cope
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@Vulpasim sorry but you’re factually wrong. Vegeta is stronger than Broly whos stronger than Cell Max whos stronger than Orange Piccolo
@Geekdom101
@Geekdom101 Жыл бұрын
To everybody asking about Forced Spirit Fission; YES, it would be an easy win for Vegeta, but this is about FIGHTING and COMBAT. If Vegeta does that, then its no fight. This is what would happen is they FOUGHT, from a martial arts perspective. Vegeta doing that would eliminate the fight.
@nailer1008
@nailer1008 Жыл бұрын
As strong as orange piccolo it would be a little unlikely he able to beat ultra ego Vegeta. He might be strong to injure ultra ego Vegeta. First Vegeta trained and learned how to do the hakai from an actual destroyer. Hakai requires the use of god ki. Piccolo got his power up from shernon. It’s likely shernon can’t grant anyone god ki. It would still be a very interesting fight to see between these two badasses.
@oldmanjesus9855
@oldmanjesus9855 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta has beaten Top when he was using a technique he learned from a God of destruction. If that happened then Vegeta is not above losing to somebody without God of destruction training. Calm down people. Vegeta is not as big and bad as you're making it look like.
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
@@oldmanjesus9855 death battle scenario vegeta takes this fight. easy. hakai. now that he has legit training from beerus himself and a form to go with it. he could also use the non lethal hakai like toppo did too...also his self destruct move like he did to toppo. then we have spirit fission which would take away nail and kami. if vegeta wanted to be cruel like that. that would depower piccolo a huge way too. the prince of saiyans has to many buffs. orange is basically like hulk but without getting stronger during the fight. he didnt even have any regen or healing hax. its kinda sad. at least upto perfect cell level if not buu. lol. but if this is the nameks true glory and power it deserves more! i hope toriyama makes up more unqiue feats and buffs for piccolo in future with this form tho.
@oldmanjesus9855
@oldmanjesus9855 Жыл бұрын
@@ssppeeaarr And Top was trained by Belmond himself and Vegeta gave him the business. Power scaling in Dragon Ball has always been about hype and popularity and never about consitency or any hard logic. If Orange Piccolo sells enough toys I can guarantee you that he'll take Vegeta spot as number 2 in dragon ball. And frankly Piccolo is far more deserving than Vegeta. I still don't understand how come Vegeta gets love for screaming "proud" and "prince" every 30 seconds but Ribrianne got all the hate for screaming "love" and "beauty" every 30 seconds. It's all annoying to me tbh
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
@@oldmanjesus9855 ya it was crazy how vegeta took on hakai energy with just ssb and god ki. but that just shows much power a saiyan and god ki fusion is... the saiyan buff always is a major hype point in dragonball. even now with god/destroyer only stuff like hakai and ultra instinct/ego. we have broly who easily stood up to all that. but got wrecked by blue. still impresive tho the raw power of legendary ss had to be put down by a fusion level character. and with god ki. then ya we have others who can fight god ki like freeza, hit and jiren. but ya its the saiyan blood is potent tho. lol its special hax and end of the day always will have the edge... the warrior race. vegeta tho a prodigy himself and a elite warrior. lol that aint hype. this is why ppl like the character. the man has been putting in the work and training just has hard as goku!! hell even harder to ascend his very first time to super saiyan. then he got to ssg on his own without any ritual. i give him his due respect for all that. he never cheated except in GT for his ss4. of course they gotta keep vegeta weaker to goku for plot reasons too. but at least in dbs if anything it gives certain characters love and shine. like vegeta is now somewhat on par with goku. now piccolo and gohan as well. only time will tell if they will keep it consistent tho. i hope the new forms piccolo and gohan have will be explored and continue to grow in power. will show unique powers exclusive to those forms. like goku and vegeta have. the future of db could be epic...
@oldmanjesus9855
@oldmanjesus9855 Жыл бұрын
@@ssppeeaarr Vegeta hasn't been putting more work in than any other character. Hell until DBS all the training Vegeta has done consisted on push ups and lifting weights, oh and talking about pride. Meanwhile most other characters have been seen meditating, training their ki, fighting techniques, etc, on top of lifting the same weights as vegeta does. Vegeta gets to be second in the food chain because of popularity and hype. I'm not even saying that vegeta is a trash character, but people need to stop acting as if Vegeta has been this super dedicated guy above all other characters on the show and deserves his spot as a result. That is not true. He gets to be in his position due to Goku needing a sparring and fusion companion, and from a creative stand point is easier to make Goku the trailblazer for another pure blooded sayan than to generate an entire new logic for a totally different character like a namekian or an earthling who'd need a whole new cohesive backstory on power scaling to keep the suspended belief alive. Gohan is a prodigy, Goku is a prodigy, Piccolo is a prodigy, even Yamcha is a prodigy when compared to other members of his race. In DB being a prodigy doesn't make Vegeta any more deserving of power boosts than other characters, least of all a namekian who is tied to one of the most powerful entities in the whole multiverse, the super dragon, has been alive for thousands of years, was literally the God of earth and is a master of martial arts. The more I look at it the more if feels like they've been doing Piccolo very dirty and he deserves way more than Vegeta keeps getting for screaming "prince" like it's a tic.
@joshmarlow2563
@joshmarlow2563 Жыл бұрын
Everyone forgets piccolo Fought gamma 2 before fighting cell max without any recovery or break
@Kavon8mc
@Kavon8mc Жыл бұрын
Had to instant transmission into these comments.
@evanhayes5891
@evanhayes5891 Жыл бұрын
As did yo momma!
@cellusjoseph4807
@cellusjoseph4807 Жыл бұрын
I believe Vegeta would win as well but I was expecting a lengthier conversation on why. Piccolo is said to be on the same tier as Goku now (So that includes Vegeta). Vegeta has learned many new techniques in DBS to include the spirit fission technique. Let’s also talk about the dragons always having the same color schemes as the Namekians and how Piccolo’s color scheme is like Super Shenron (In his Orange form). There may be a read for that. He’s always training and with 2 new transformations we can expect for Piccolo to explore new techniques as well.
@cellusjoseph4807
@cellusjoseph4807 Жыл бұрын
*… There may be a reason for…*
@Catch93Prod
@Catch93Prod Жыл бұрын
Forced Spirit Fission might seal the deal for Vegeta. He's already told Piccolo he could separate him & Kami, which would weaken Piccolo to a degree.
@cringegoblin5227
@cringegoblin5227 Жыл бұрын
I think if they are the same strength piccolo wins I think his special beam cannon is the best beam attack comparatively
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
No Hakai Spirit fission Equal vegeta wins But they aren’t equal anyways Vegeta in base one shots
@Zain94336
@Zain94336 Жыл бұрын
​@@supesisfodder7427vegeta in base doesn't one shot fool. Picollo is super saiyan/ super saiyan 2 in base
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
@@Zain94336 vegeta in base one shots Moron
@Doctorgoku900
@Doctorgoku900 Жыл бұрын
Im amazed you guys forgot about sprit fission Vegeta could just slap the Kmai and Nail out of him then he can't use orange.
@specialnewb9821
@specialnewb9821 Жыл бұрын
Not so surprising. 100% Toriyama has forgotten about it too
@thedarkfloyd7517
@thedarkfloyd7517 Жыл бұрын
Exactly 100%!!!
@lamarakaglmayo5090
@lamarakaglmayo5090 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@ivankarim8678
@ivankarim8678 Жыл бұрын
Because Vegeta is clearly not aware of the fact Kami and Piccolo are not different beings..also Nail does not have a physical body anymore..nothing to diffuse..also Orange form has got nothing to do with Namekian fusions...
@jdizzle7311
@jdizzle7311 Жыл бұрын
@@ivankarim8678I think you didn’t pay attention what Vegeta said in the moro
@Jacblou222
@Jacblou222 Жыл бұрын
Geekdom could you do a video on if future trunks and future Gohan knew the fusion dance could they beat the androids thank you
@brianngoetjana243
@brianngoetjana243 Жыл бұрын
I mean you need two hands to perform fusion dance and Future Gohan had one.😂😂😂
@Jacblou222
@Jacblou222 Жыл бұрын
@@brianngoetjana243 I'm talking about before Gohan lost his arm
@1nfamous_DJP_Gaming
@1nfamous_DJP_Gaming Жыл бұрын
I’d say UE Vegeta due to the fact Vegeta in that UE form can get stronger from direct melee attacks
@combatdojoultimate1062
@combatdojoultimate1062 Жыл бұрын
Since super hero’s is now in the manga I think it’s now easier compare now since it was stated the movie takes place after broly with Moro and granola not existing yet. I would say the first thing we should compare first is gohan and piccolo’s battle with Saganbo, They both got destroyed by him and Gohan who was post top was stronger than Kefla. The piccolo didn’t struggle with the gammas the same way he did with Saganbo and when Gohan turned ultimate again he was beating gamma 1, and that version of Gohan since piccolo said gohans a bit rusty, we can assume is not stronger than the Moro arc Ultimate Gohan so therefore we can say this: Piccolo>Gammas>Ultimate Gohan>Saganbo This would make piccolos orange form probably on par or a little stronger than Saganbo. And let’s not forget ssj blue goku destroyed saganbo. This would make blue Goku Moro arch stronger than the gammas, which is why piccolo saying “they are on par with Goku and Vegeta” in the mange is werid(in the movie I could understand). And since Gohan and piccolo never seen granola we can assume they are talking about Mui Goku and Evo Vegeta during the moro arc as well meaning beast Gohan is probably stronger than Mui Goku from the Moro arc but not current or mue Vegeta. We can also assume he is not stronger than granola as well or black Frieza. Cell max incomplete is probably Moro Mui Goku minimum, and broly not sure how strong he’s gottan since gogeta, he’s probably stronger than incomplete cell max and it was stated completed cell max is stronger than him, but I would say Mui Goku and UE Vegeta are also stronger than Broly currently as well. And here are my final thoughts: piccolo >Gammas>Ultimate Gohan>Saganbo>orange piccolo>Moro arc blue Goku>>>>cell max incomplete>BeastGohan>=Broly>granola>=UE Vegeta>=Mui Goku>>>black Frieza
@jafsjafs8820
@jafsjafs8820 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Goku and Vegeta was not present on the fight tells you everything.
@InnovativeJdawg
@InnovativeJdawg Жыл бұрын
Nice discussion! I did a similar one a while back comparing these two. Some people though, they don’t see that it’s a cool matchup in concept, it may be one sided sure, but fights aren’t always about the raw strength
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810
@selfloathinggivesmelife7810 Жыл бұрын
Toriyama’s gonna have to give Piccolo some hax as well in order to really even the odds.
@Yokai_Yuri
@Yokai_Yuri Жыл бұрын
Jiren laughing in the background
@RoboP
@RoboP Жыл бұрын
I'm going to disagree. Vegeta could potentially underestimate Piccolo. For example in the Saiyan Saga Piccolo was the one to kill Raditz by increasing and concentrating the focus of his power in to 1 of the most lethal penetrating attacks in all of DB period. Also Vegeta can't go giant if he really wanted to(currently) Piccolo doesn't have that limitation on him, he can access it at any time. Vegeta can absorb damage yes; but what if Vegeta is getting stomped on by a being much bigger and stronger than him in terms of physicality. And also Piccolo can use that power all in his Orange/Dragon Piccolo form. His regeneration was touched on, Vegeta does have a hard limit physically. We saw this in the Granola Arc, he and Goku still need a Senzu or healer to recover. Piccolo can at times sustain himself or come back from MASSIVE injuries. Like when Cell almost killed him, when Freezer blasted him in the chest ect. So there are my counter arguement points.
@Rells_Farg0
@Rells_Farg0 Жыл бұрын
I’ll go with Piccolo especially if they fighting on even terms a lot of people forgot how good Piccolo was against Android 17 and it’s probably some healing abilities Piccolo has in that Orange form that can also help in the battle with Vegeta but Piccolo can’t let the fight go the distance he needs to end it as fast as possible and with him being a strategist best believe he will be looking for the kill.
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
i would hope orange had a better healing and regen factor. maybe upto cell or even buu level once mastered the form or something... but with how it went down with cell max idk. lol. i hope this form isnt just hype and it gets better next time its shown.
@Rells_Farg0
@Rells_Farg0 Жыл бұрын
@@ssppeeaarr facts,I just want to see Piccolo win too be honest but in that Orange form his self healing ability should increase I believe we seen a example of it when he got back up from near death against Cell Max and one thing for sure Namekians have more natural abilities than a saiyan so Piccolo’s potential is great it’s up to the writers to keep him relevant.
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
​@@Rells_Farg0i hope Piccolo wins
@LowellLucasJr.
@LowellLucasJr. Жыл бұрын
Vegeta: Hey why is it we never fight? Piccolo: Cuz we're badass. Vegeta: Damn straight.Btw thanks for watching Bra. You did good with Trunks, Goten and even Kakkorots boy. Piccolo. Don't...mention it... Ugh...
@Draco7876
@Draco7876 Жыл бұрын
I got a question it's about Ki sensing. We know that the zfighters couldn't sense beerus but deities like the Kais and Kami can You have a similar thing where Goku and Gohan couldn't sense the universe 9 dog trio's Ki. Did they ever explain why and if so what was the difference between universe 9 and 6 to where they could sense universe 6 combatants. Is it due to the link between 6 and 7 and does that apply to every universe like can only universe 2 and 11 sense eachother?
@Klaeyy
@Klaeyy Жыл бұрын
The thing with beerus and deities is that they have/use god-ki by default. And you can‘t sense that kind of ki without learning how. In the early parts of dbs Gokus and Vegetas KI also always vanished for the rest of the z-fighters when they used the god or blue form. But them not being able to sense the dogs is certainly not a trait of universe 9 fighters what so ever. Only the 3 dogs had no sensible KI, the rest of the team could be sensed. And not having sensible ki isn‘t even new or unique to universe 9 fighters. The androids/cyborgs also can‘t be sensed for example. Meaning the dog-trio is likely just an anomaly in that they are able to hide their ki, or they fuel their strength/power in a different way like the androids do, that they have different KI all together and you have to learn how to sense it. And the universe 7 fighters could sense all other fighters from the entire mutli-verse, a „link“ like with universe 6 isn‘t necessary. They simply feel the KI because it is.. there.
@Draco7876
@Draco7876 Жыл бұрын
@Klaeyy the difference is the cyborgs don't have Ki or life energy that's one of the main reasons why they can't be sensed. Which is odd considering they can use ki based attacks so maybe it's just a weird muck up on toriyama
@MichaelJohnson-ny6zs
@MichaelJohnson-ny6zs Жыл бұрын
Vegeta doesn't even need to Hakai Piccolo. Just grab him, use the Spirit Fission technique he learned from the Yardrats on him and waste him. He even said he could do it back in the Moro Arc.
@ivankarim8678
@ivankarim8678 Жыл бұрын
That was Vegeta bluffing. Classic Vegeta..he is not aware that Kami & Piccolo are not two beings..plus Nail cannot be seperated as he does not have a physical body.
@mando7323
@mando7323 Жыл бұрын
@@ivankarim8678Lmao no you’re just talking BS 😂
@ojpickle5923
@ojpickle5923 Жыл бұрын
​@@ivankarim8678There's no reason to say that he was lying. If he says he can separate fusions then he can separate them
@knightgamer8440
@knightgamer8440 Жыл бұрын
@@ojpickle5923 Frieza once said he was the strongest in the universe in the namek saga. So does that make him stronger than Beerus or Whis just because he said was the STRONGEST? Also Burtur said he was the fastest in the universe which would be true if we go by your flawed logic
@ivankarim8678
@ivankarim8678 Жыл бұрын
@@ojpickle5923 Lol..then you are clearly not aware about Vegeta's nature..this guy bluffs beyond his limits, just to prove he's better than Goku. He always was like that.
@themightymikeshow1992
@themightymikeshow1992 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I don't think we've seen enough from both forms to know what they can do especially piccolo
@muhammadiqbalsyahputra9328
@muhammadiqbalsyahputra9328 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta uses force spirit fission, and say hello to Nail and Kami.
@Geekdom101
@Geekdom101 Жыл бұрын
that would be an unfair hax. This is about COMBAT - from a martial arts perspective.
@muhammadiqbalsyahputra9328
@muhammadiqbalsyahputra9328 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha yes i'm aware of that sir
@user-td9ib3bi9o
@user-td9ib3bi9o 5 ай бұрын
Kami was already him just his good side
@Leadbullproductions
@Leadbullproductions Жыл бұрын
I can't wait until Ultra Mega Ego Pride Narcissist mode is unlocked
@gamesandmoviesentertainmen4259
@gamesandmoviesentertainmen4259 Жыл бұрын
Love this video it has a lot of good stuff in it great job lot of fun.
@Samuel-fc3xy
@Samuel-fc3xy Жыл бұрын
Sure! Here's a cool storyline featuring Goten as the main character: "Dragon Ball: Legacy of the Saiyan Prince" In a parallel universe, the Dragon Ball story unfolds with Goten, the youngest son of Goku, as the central hero. This new dimension diverged from the original timeline when Buu was defeated. Disturbing news spreads across the realm when a prophecy reveals that an ancient darkness is awakening, threatening to plunge the universe into eternal chaos. Feeling an unexplainable connection to this impending doom, Goten embarks on a journey to unlock his hidden potential and save his loved ones from this sinister power. Along the way, he reunites with Trunks, Piccolo, and Gohan, who become his trusted allies in this race against time. As they explore different planets, they encounter remnants of Frieza's empire, still desperately seeking eternal life. Goten and his friends face off against powerful Frieza cronies, pushing their limits and discovering new heights of strength and power. Goten taps into his unique Saiyan heritage, unlocking new transformations never seen before, further distinguishing himself as the prodigious Saiyan warrior. Delving deeper into the prophecy, Goten discovers that the legendary Saiyan Prince Vegeta, long thought extinct, has not vanished, but instead has become a deity-like figure, guarding an ancient artifact that holds the key to defeating the awakened darkness. To reach Vegeta, they must traverse treacherous landscapes and navigate through complex puzzles left behind by an ancient race of celestial beings. Throughout his journey, Goten grapples with his own insecurities, feeling the enormous pressure to live up to his father's legacy. As he encounters setbacks and formidable enemies, he undergoes personal growth, learning valuable life lessons about perseverance, bravery, and finding his own path. Finally, after countless battles, emotional trials, and self-discovery, Goten and his comrades reach Vegeta's opposition. In an epic showdown, Goten taps into the ultimate Super Saiyan form, transcending even his father's might, and together with Vegeta, they unleash a combined attack that vanquishes the awakened darkness once and for all. Completing their mission, Goten returns to Earth, celebrated as the legendary Saiyan who saved the universe. However, he humbly acknowledges the support of his friends, family, and the invaluable mentorship of his father Goku. Dragon Ball: Legacy of the Saiyan Prince ends with Goten embracing his own identity and promising to protect his newfound home, ready to face any future threats that may arise. This unique storyline showcases Goten's journey from an inexperienced youth to a formidable warrior, highlighting his personal growth and the lasting impact of his actions on the Dragon Ball universe.
@JakeTylenol
@JakeTylenol Жыл бұрын
Also given how hakai works this move should be off the table because unless there’s a different version of the move I forgot about Vegeta wouldn’t use hakai on Piccolo if it meant Piccolo would be erased
@jeffreyrobinson8843
@jeffreyrobinson8843 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta wouldn't need to use hakai . His technique and endurance turned into strength would be overwhelming for the beefed up orange piccolo. Remember vs cells 2nd form. Stronger but yet limited in agility
@ssppeeaarr
@ssppeeaarr Жыл бұрын
vegeta just takes the win he has to many moves and buffs. also spirit fission he picked up on yardrat would wreck piccolo as well. bye bye nail and kami. taking away a major chunk of his powers... hopefully toriyama shows us more feats for orange piccolo in future arcs.
@dionysisnance4204
@dionysisnance4204 Жыл бұрын
orange piccolo has to much drip but i feel like Vegeta is just build two different when in ultra ego form
@sonwalrez2842
@sonwalrez2842 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta. They may be somewhat relative in strength, but vegeta not only has spirit fission,(which would separate nail from piccolo) he also gets stronger by taking damage. The only way piccolo would win is if he was much stronger then vegeta, which I doubt.
@coldasspiece
@coldasspiece Жыл бұрын
Piccolo gettin turned to a pack. Im smoking some piccolo right now lol. Dope video 👍🏾
@yngsportsandhiphopchannel7918
@yngsportsandhiphopchannel7918 Жыл бұрын
People forget piccolo fight vs Android 17 wen he was on par with the Saiyan's that shows u and rn piccolo is matched it on par with them he gonna win more times than not
@simpgod2170
@simpgod2170 Жыл бұрын
If its a death fight, goku wins with hakai and vegeta wins with UE damage buff + spirit fission
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 Жыл бұрын
Love these vs and your channel man! Always make my day!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
@ryan27229
@ryan27229 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to Vegeta and Piccolo's durability feats let's not forget: Vegeta was surviving strikes aimed at his vital organs, where as Piccolo was just getting smacked around by Cell Max, who was a brute, and wasn't fighting with any finesse (so his blows weren't hitting as hard as they could).
@StylezofGaming
@StylezofGaming Жыл бұрын
Vegeta couldn't do it for a long period of time. There is a limit to the damage he can take.
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
⁠@@StylezofGamingyea but still, Vegeta is on another level
@ryan27229
@ryan27229 Жыл бұрын
@@StylezofGaming Sure there's a limit, but it's seemingly higher than Piccolos, because Piccolo wasn't getting hit with attacks to his vital organs that were meant to one-shot him. Vegeta on the other hand took an attack that DID one-shot Goku of all people. And he got stronger because of it.
@sm0ky12
@sm0ky12 Жыл бұрын
Vital organs? All of them?
@samuraisouljones6295
@samuraisouljones6295 Жыл бұрын
@@StylezofGaminghave you seen vegeta vs kid buu, vs Jiren? No one in dbz tanks dmg on the level of vegeta
@KaibaLee
@KaibaLee Жыл бұрын
My 2 favorite dragonball characters. Idk if I'm ready for this lol😂😂
@ArtistX-JRC
@ArtistX-JRC Жыл бұрын
I think... it depends. I feel as if, Piccolo has not only higher energy reserves, but it's not just toughness that aids him, it's his ability to regenerate. I think, while there is a greater likelihood that Vegeta would win, Piccolo could though. Like 80/20 split. If Vegeta weren't careful in his approach. Which, given his pride and overconfidence, very well could happen. Especially, because right now, he has no real understanding of Piccolo's new power. Oh, and one other thing. Are we ignoring how Frieza was able to take a Hakai blast? Not once, but on two occasions I do believe. So, given where we feel Orange Piccolo is and Vegeta having yet to master such, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he could survive. If not flat out evade. I mean, he has seen the Hakai, he'd know to avoid it. I am certain he would recognize the energy. The only advantage Vegeta has with it, is Piccolo has yet to see him use it. If Vegeta misses that first blast, it could become fruitless to even attempt.
@BattleborneGaming-g1r
@BattleborneGaming-g1r Жыл бұрын
topo wasnt aloud to kill frieza by rules of the top so maybe that was a nerfed hakai that did just enought damage to hurt like hell but not kill him, look what berus did with a small hakai to a super dragonball imortal zamasu
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
​@@BattleborneGaming-g1rBeerus Erased Normal Zamasu not Future Zamasu
@BattleborneGaming-g1r
@BattleborneGaming-g1r Жыл бұрын
i think zamasu mite have been immortal by that point, it was noted that zamasu was disapearing and staying gone for periods of time and was all for taking goku on until beerus steped in@@StevenJones851
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 Жыл бұрын
"Big Orange" vs "Purple No Brows" would be interesting to see.
@shuntariclark
@shuntariclark Жыл бұрын
Do we really have to think hard on who would win between The Prince of all Saiyan's/ Prince of Destruction vs Orange Piccolo? 😂
@taherbasha4108
@taherbasha4108 Жыл бұрын
Also dont forget Vegeta has forced sprit fission. He will make piccolo defuse instantly
@earthling2215
@earthling2215 Жыл бұрын
Was about to say the same thing. Vegeta would defuse him instantly.
@carmelosmith8782
@carmelosmith8782 Жыл бұрын
​@GokuT24 how will it not work?🤔
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@GokuT24 Piccolo Jr isn’t Demon King Piccolo
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@GokuT24 but its not Demon King Piccolo. Piccolo Jr is an entirely different being.
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@GokuT24 Potara was supposed to be permanent for anyone that used it. But that was changed.
@eddiecontreras8149
@eddiecontreras8149 Жыл бұрын
Wassup geekdom
@Kenpachi324
@Kenpachi324 Жыл бұрын
Special Beam Cannon into the chest GG Piccolo Wins
@Randomguyusee
@Randomguyusee Жыл бұрын
Like Vegeta would dodge that or reflect it your using specific ways of winning like Vegeta would separate nail and kami and kill them and piccolo
@thedarkfloyd7517
@thedarkfloyd7517 Жыл бұрын
Spirit Fission has entered the chat.
@user-td9ib3bi9o
@user-td9ib3bi9o 5 ай бұрын
No going to happen kami is piccolo and nail been with goin so long it’s pointless plus vegeta refuse to use that technique unless it’s fusion that in the making after a beat down
@SolSystemDiplomat
@SolSystemDiplomat Жыл бұрын
We would not exist without entropy
@treyxyz
@treyxyz Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the psychic powers in the dragon all universe? Frieda uses telekinesis, Goku uses a few telepathic powers, Vegeta also shows some. I know Dragonball had a psychic and King Kai having some telepathy makes sense. But goku froeza & vegeta having those in Z are just glossed over.
@Geekdom101
@Geekdom101 Жыл бұрын
interesting idea!
@kapayasiame3632
@kapayasiame3632 Жыл бұрын
It’s kinda vague to gauge how orange piccolo scales to ultra ego vegeta. But knowing how absurd power scaling is in dragon ball super, he could be around Moro saga UI goku level. But vegeta gets the win regardless.
@user-pi1lb4tf2f
@user-pi1lb4tf2f 5 ай бұрын
I hope in thw future chapters piccolo decides to power up by getting to know his true name as the Legendary Namekian who decided to be Kami of earth by allowing vegeta to force fission himself with Nail and Kami and reabsorbs them to know his true self stronger and more powerful. Vegeta and Piccolo are the most strategic fighters with a slight edge on Piccolo since vegeta fights with ego and can be self destructive while Piccolo has Namekian physiology that allows him to pull off same tactic but still be able to regenerate.
@stellaallison1309
@stellaallison1309 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who think piccolo would win is a R-Tard. Vegeta got this all day
@Mallardnator
@Mallardnator Жыл бұрын
I also think that Vegeta is just the better/more experienced fighter
@collinleivas9605
@collinleivas9605 Жыл бұрын
I think this fight could go either way. Toriyama's statement says Piccolo "rivals Goku and the others" which more than likely means Vegeta, but even then, Vegeta isn't on Goku's level. In Super Hero we see in base they are equal, but in their highest form TUI is a power that beat Gas who beat UE and MUI at once, so unless Vegeta made UE his own (like how Goku unlocked True Ultra Instinct), Goku should be able to defeat Vegeta relatively easily. If Goku and Vegeta are equal and Piccolo rivals them, Ultra Ego's ability to grow stronger should push him over Orange Piccolo. If they aren't equal, then you have to ask who Piccolo rivals between the two (or if he is in the middle and can fight both). If Piccolo rivals Goku who is above Vegeta, then I'd say Orange Piccolo should win, although if Vegeta can hold out, Ultra Ego might push him over Piccolo, but I'd still bet on Orange. Basically: if they are equal Vegeta should win; if not and Piccolo rivals Goku, then he should win.
@mando7323
@mando7323 Жыл бұрын
You’re so delusional 😂
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta beat goku
@ZenRyoku
@ZenRyoku Жыл бұрын
Piccolo is the Deadpool of Dragonball...😎💯
@chriswhitley1535
@chriswhitley1535 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta is gettin trained by berrus…Vegeta…hands dwn…
@walkerswayweighttrai
@walkerswayweighttrai Жыл бұрын
A namekian defeating a saiyan? Absurb. The winner Vegeta!!!
@edwint1780
@edwint1780 Жыл бұрын
From what we've seen in the tournament of power when vegeta fought toppo or when frieza deflected the hakai energy blast, is that the hakai technique only works on the weaker opponents. Vegeta was able to overcome Toppo's destruction energy because he had a higher power level than Toppo. So having Hakai energy is not a sure win. Ultimately, all techniques are tied to the power level of the user.
@supesisfodder7427
@supesisfodder7427 Жыл бұрын
No depends equal Goku hakai zamasu even tho they were equal
@icebread123
@icebread123 Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting that they have never fought in any series.
@J0hnnyTheKid
@J0hnnyTheKid 11 ай бұрын
They the same person in a sense 😂
@dylanquintana2392
@dylanquintana2392 Жыл бұрын
Piccolo in his yellow potential unleashed form is already blue level and was giving the gamma a run for there money orange piccolo amplifies that even more think about it like this all that spiritual mental and physical training that piccolo has done since the beginning of z going into super is coming to the surface in his 2 newest forms all this battle really comes down to is who outsmarts the other and who is more tactical in nature once again I bring up the granola stuff which granola outsmarted both goku and vegeta 3 times each
@mando7323
@mando7323 10 ай бұрын
Braindead logic 💀
@amtrak772
@amtrak772 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see this fight and couple others if it handicapped or stripped down to hand to hand combat without blast as an option
@danteespinoza8119
@danteespinoza8119 Жыл бұрын
You forgot the other skills that vegeta has the one he learn in yardat
@MacJWitDaCheese
@MacJWitDaCheese Жыл бұрын
Forced spirit fission Alone washes piccolo no ultra ego needed
@firstdegreesports5120
@firstdegreesports5120 Жыл бұрын
"Do you know they never fought?"
@TonyRead31
@TonyRead31 Жыл бұрын
You know what I love about these characters? They have never had a fight and they are so great! Love the video Geekdom101, thank you.
@KaiCyreus
@KaiCyreus Жыл бұрын
i love how TFS' Vegeta pointed this out so long ago and it still holds true
@KaiCyreus
@KaiCyreus Жыл бұрын
if you remember in the Tournament of Power, Vegeta in his battle with G.o.D. Toppo was so powerful he could destroy destruction itself - Piccolo is probably smart enough to figure something out, i wouldn't count him out so quickly
@theoupnxt
@theoupnxt Жыл бұрын
trunks need a new form 🔥
@Zairemarks
@Zairemarks 5 ай бұрын
I like how meruem based of d z cell frieza art style
@stuffzluvverz_7665
@stuffzluvverz_7665 5 ай бұрын
Ah yes the legendary fight Chris vs. Sabat
@LowellLucasJr.
@LowellLucasJr. Жыл бұрын
Vegeta: I'd defeat the Namakian easily! Piccolo: Doesn't matter. I already did what you could never do. I KILLED GOKU! Vegeta: WHAT?! Tien: Yeah..and i beat him in a tournament. VEGETA: HUH?!
@JasonWade-s6m
@JasonWade-s6m Жыл бұрын
I do not disagree with this. I am looking forward to more chapters that come out in the incoming months.
@prprince11
@prprince11 2 ай бұрын
Piccolo vs. Vegeta is a fight I always wanted to see. There have been several times in the Dragon Series, Piccolo was stronger, and it always surprised Vegeta. Now, to be honest with what's going on currently, I'm not fully up-to-date. But in terms of a fight that is competitive or sparring/ training, I think Piccolo has a way better chance at besting Vegeta or, at the very least, would get the upper hand over him. A more serious fight, life or death, no holding back. I still think it would be a great fight for both, but I think Vegeta would eventually come out the victor. And this assumption I have is based more on their history of fighting. Both are tactical geniuses and have amazing powers & abilities, but when it comes to a warriors spirit, that's where vegeta has the edge. Also I think despite the obvious tension between them, their is a huge respect for one another.
@awaisahmed9418
@awaisahmed9418 Жыл бұрын
TEAM Orange Piccolo
@blueyukii2
@blueyukii2 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta no doubt, he might even be able to beat him in super saiyan blue too.
@vegitoblue7908
@vegitoblue7908 Жыл бұрын
He's just a mere Namek. As Vegeta said on the android saga when Piccolo fused😂
@Geekdom101
@Geekdom101 Жыл бұрын
Vegeta also said Goku was a low class warrior. Race means nothing in Dragon Ball.
@vegitoblue7908
@vegitoblue7908 Жыл бұрын
@@Geekdom101 true
@Zain94336
@Zain94336 Жыл бұрын
Yet he wants the dragon balls. A namek creation
@nyx-nyx6972
@nyx-nyx6972 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget vegeta's spirit fission technique. He can remove neil and kame inside of piccolo body, and thats a big problem for piccolo, so much power lost for him
@localcritic4490
@localcritic4490 Жыл бұрын
Nail, yes, but I don't think that Kami counts because they were originally 1 in the same.
@prinnyEXE
@prinnyEXE Жыл бұрын
For one vegeta says he can split piccolo and kami.
@lionswrath6410
@lionswrath6410 11 ай бұрын
It is said in the cards that Orange Piccolo has divine power & in my opinion its more of an omage to Nova Shenron. So its more of a dragon/divine tree scale
@jacobblackwolf5103
@jacobblackwolf5103 Жыл бұрын
To be fair it all depends how strong the gamms were and cell max, if cell max was stronger than ui goku then he was stronger than ue vegeta, so then piccolo vs vegeta might be a lot closer fight than many would assume, ue vegeta was getting stronger yes but as seen in the manga that was ultimately his downfall because he took too much punishment. Many people say super hero was done while there was manga ongoing so it doesn't matter that super hero is later in timeline and that's true but who knows maybe toriyama knew the outcome of the granola/gas story and when he stated that piccolo has a power that can rival goku/vegeta he meant ue vegeta and ui goku. Its all speculations obviously but who knows 😂
@TheAlbertaButcher
@TheAlbertaButcher Жыл бұрын
Vegeta still training his Hakai on rocks, I think piccolo is cool for now
@Dontrip1904
@Dontrip1904 Жыл бұрын
Picollo ain’t touching ultra ego vegeta and that’s facts
@knightgamer8440
@knightgamer8440 Жыл бұрын
Did you forget Akira's statement?
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@knightgamer8440you mean the stupid illogical statements that contradict each other? Yea those aren’t reliable sources.
@knightgamer8440
@knightgamer8440 Жыл бұрын
@@DrJareld How do those statements contradict eachover?
@Dontrip1904
@Dontrip1904 Жыл бұрын
@@knightgamer8440explain to me what picollo gonna do with a hakai his ass pull transformation is just as trash as gohans
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@Dontrip1904 FACTS!!
@montybeavers5051
@montybeavers5051 Жыл бұрын
What's Good Danny
@steveyj3002
@steveyj3002 Жыл бұрын
Bottom line Orange piccolo and beast Gohan need new techniques
@dustybowling1695
@dustybowling1695 Жыл бұрын
I think orange piccolo is on ssg level i don’t even think he could compete with ssb
@Jaxzius
@Jaxzius Жыл бұрын
4:27 that’s a very interesting take on Piccolo’s recovery abilities
@kingshadow8782
@kingshadow8782 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@TheRoughLifeBoss
@TheRoughLifeBoss Жыл бұрын
Vegeta would be a broken gun in COD! The way he describes him is OPed 😂
@el_felkx8822
@el_felkx8822 Жыл бұрын
A much better fight than Broly vs Piccolo
@ultrainstinctedits
@ultrainstinctedits Жыл бұрын
UE Vegeta would win with extreme difficulty since he gets stronger the more damage he takes. They would be relative in power in the beginning of the fight but Vegeta will be able to pull through.
@Vulpas
@Vulpas Жыл бұрын
He won't have time to get stronger as he takes damage because he'll be knocked out by Piccolo in one shot like Gamma who is roughly on his level. Maybe two shots. Vegeta is nothing to Piccolo at the moment.
@DrJareld
@DrJareld Жыл бұрын
@@VulpasUh dude Orange Piccolo is going to he getting one shot if anything.
@Randomguyusee
@Randomguyusee Жыл бұрын
Hell no vegeta wins mid diff
@jdizzle7311
@jdizzle7311 Жыл бұрын
Feats vs statements atp
@wolfstatus
@wolfstatus Жыл бұрын
Just have orange piccolo go through hakai and nullify his ability to gain strength with each hit
@calvinhodge1806
@calvinhodge1806 Жыл бұрын
anime hit vs anime Anilaza, a dbs David vs Goliath match!
@JoeyvanTienen
@JoeyvanTienen Жыл бұрын
Ignoring the elephant in the room: Forced Spirit Fission. Vegeta told Piccolo he could split Nails and Kami from him in the Moro arc. Don’t know if his pride would allow him to use it though.
@Pillarofcreation1
@Pillarofcreation1 Жыл бұрын
I don't even think orange Piccolo could beat royal blue Vegeta.
@fraz0r677
@fraz0r677 Жыл бұрын
Ultra ego obv
@souravpal9546
@souravpal9546 Жыл бұрын
UE Vegeta easily🤙 He will make Piccolo unfused with other Namekians he has fused with previously😂🤣
@Kwyn-With-A-K
@Kwyn-With-A-K Жыл бұрын
Piccolo is definitely going to hone the form all that against cell max was a test
@Zairemarks
@Zairemarks 5 ай бұрын
Orange piccolo would telacanisis the hakai like gas
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