Part 2 of the journey to sub250 5" Freestyle FPV | The FRAME

[@MrSteeleFPV]

One hell of a video man. Production value over 9000. I can’t imagine how long that took to edit. You’re killing it. You deserve 100k subs 5 years ago man. Wtf

[@ummagawdFPV]

ayyyyyye thanks man! hopefully we can link up soon homie

[@ummagawdFPV]

I’m not worthy of the algorithms 😂 thanks man. Hope to link up soon

[@windwalkerproductions]

what he said

[@HalfChrome]

@@ummagawdFPV hell yeah you are.

[@boactech3076]

I saw the results and thought: mr Steele should test its flippy floppy capabilities 😋 Happy new year everyone 🙂

[@Brad.Hobbies]

Hey Tommy, great video. This style video is so engaging, this is really setting you apart from everyone else. Keep this going man!

[@l1ner220]

This TBH

[@ummagawdFPV]

much much appreciated! I enjoy making this type of video, but there's a part of me that feels like maybe less production so I can get more videos cranked out is better. But... I'm glad to hear this is well received because these types are funner to me, all while still trying to get the info out. Thanks for the comment!

[@noforyoutubepremium3108]

Agreed! 😎🤘

[@Brad.Hobbies]

@@ummagawdFPV you aren't wrong, I had the same thoughts when I watched it.. more to the "I wonder if he's getting his value in production back". There will be a middle ground, it won't be totally transparent but use the same theories you do with quad r&d for your value realization vs production cost exercise.

[@stevenjkirby2020]

Agreed. Having gone through a similar process designing a performance sub 250 3" cinewhoop or "cinepick" as I dubbed it, I can really relate to this type of content and the story and presentation, humour etc. rounds it all off nicely. Not to rub it in but I hit my design objective with about a gram to spare although sub 250 is less of a concern for me now since they changed the laws here in the UK and now even sub 250s have to be registered. :'( Also I wouldn't have been inspired to design the quad if it wasn't for your 85 and 95x naked builds. Keep up the engaging content.

[@sbwew]

Really enjoyed the history lesson. Neat to see someone going through the engineering trail blazing process and produce a video you can have your kids watch. Well Done.

[@bfattori01]

As I listened to his history lesson, it brought me back to web 1.0 days. Trials and tribulations ☺️

[@deltafpv5935]

This is by far some of the best FPV content out there.

[@ummagawdFPV]

🙏

[@ZSilv3rFPV]

its like watching a series on Netflix, damn that was good. cant imagine the time and effort youve put into this project !! keep rocking Tommy !!

[@ummagawdFPV]

Thanks man... yea it’s quite a bit of time lol

[@thebutcherfpv5302]

Explaining you thought process through you endeavor into you latest project, while still being whimsical and comical truly draws me in to watch the whole video. I have been flying for 5 years, and can’t seem to get drawn into the OG videos anymore, BUT yours lately are amazing... kudos

[@SirWrender]

Great vid Tommy! I’m carefully watching the progress of this 🙂

[@ummagawdFPV]

🤙

[@AfafPrinceOSH]

@@ummagawdFPV is there any site or app that lets you test vibration? I made a personal designed frame and wanted it to get vibration tested

[@wj625]

I. Want. One! Something about your videos just makes me wanna buy. You and people like Dave C are pushing the limits of design and we need this in the hobby to keep it moving forward.

[@SuperRCNOOB]

I'm with Steele, I don't know how you don't have over 100K subs. Awesome vid.

[@EvilSpeculator]

I second this sentiment.

[@xjet]

Fantastic work Tommy... can't wait to see how this turns out. Sub250g *IS* the future... as the final rule for remote ID will probably ensure in just a few days' time:-(

[@ummagawdFPV]

unfortunately I see the writing on the walls too. They announced the 8-10 companies that have been sanctioned to work on remote ID already... so it's definitely headed that way and I'm sure the 250g number won't change. I really wish it were 300g.... I feel like that's the sweet spot for lightweight 5"

[@xjet]

@@ummagawdFPV The tech is moving fast enough that 250g will be readily achievable within a year or so. In the meantime I'm happy with my sub250g 3-inch and 4-inch quads that fly every bit as well (in my shaky hands) as most of my 5-inchers. The challenge of getting things under 250g is almost as much fun as flying the resulting craft :-)

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

@@xjet 250g for urban areas infested with Karens. But as long as I can get my hands on 6s-8s rated ESCs I will go be "remote" out in areas where nobody is gonna give two shits about "ID".

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

I know what they want. I am sure it will work as well as California gun bans on "ghost guns" and registration attempts. As long as the parts are available you literally cannot stop the signal. Would be wise for people to buy as much as they can afford and stack it deep for a rainy day.

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

@MAD GRUMPYMAN you missed the subtle point. My point was not on whether radio signals can be jammed. 3D printer or CNC mill goes "brrrrrrrr"

[@Obi_Wanwheel]

Look man, you’re just killin’ it. Your approach to FPV is why I started with the Remix and will continue with the moongoat. The umma 85 was ingenious and NOW the sub 250!?! Killin’ it.

[@EvPv]

Yea...love this style of video Being taken along through all the hurdles and steps taken to get to where you are is a lot of fun and more interesting Not to mention being there to see this awesome little quad being shaped and created Awesome stuff man

[@sugasheeze]

Tommy is out here dropping straight fiyah. This is so well written and edited.

[@tomthetinker99]

We all remember Duga! Great work fella.

[@JustInvertedFpv]

That re-enactment of flashing with the programmer and starting the flash with your elbow is straight up truth. I still have that flasher too and some old blue series around!

[@tahirfpv6135]

This video was even better than the first one, looked like a professional production house creation, the balance of humor and content was perfect. Look forward to seeing more of these and ordering some of your stuff.. thanks bro

[@alan6708]

I remember Afro escs and distribution boards and all the other stuff you mention I also remember the early days in the building trade a time when hand held drills were distant (Stanley Yankee No 130A, spiral or ratchet screwdriver ) back then anyway your latest videos are a breath of fresh air, I like the style your going for fun to watch and your getting your msg across, kids dont know their born these days and its thanks to people like you, I used to own Ummagawd Vortex Pro but way too heavy, pleased to see your new project, thanks for the great video.

[@michaelfitzhenry6788]

Thank you for all the heavy lifting you are doing for the hobby of fpv .we all are thankful. Looking forward to the new sub 250 frame 😀

[@Singinius]

Keep it up Tommy. I think this journey towards the lighter FPV aircraft is the future of hobby FPV. Your innovations here help lead the way.

[@jasonhull5712]

Your creativity level is so far above normal human capacities.. you are such a inspiration Tommy. Keep crushing it my dude. I'll buy everything twice just to help support your brilliant mind ! Thanks for saving the hobby man 🤟👨‍💻

[@RCRitterFPV]

was waiting for this, 4 min in and not disappointed. these are my favorite types of videos, great story. gears spinning about projects. love it.

[@Ohmz_i]

oh i remember simonK flashing, DIY flashing tool, and KK2 board. pretty much reason why i gave up on quad for couple years in between.

[@shadowofchaos8932]

I know I'm watching too many drone videos when I recognize the camper from Albert Kim's videos and locations from Mr steele. Looking good and can't wait to see the result.

[@BSNfilmcraft]

You are killing it!!... you are setting the bar so high in video quality... Keep it up man...

[@jimmac]

I know youtube algo really doesn’t reward this kind of story heavy videos that are probably more work to edit than it is to develop your rig, but boy did I enjoy it. Well done, mate.

[@LeonardoFerrara]

Absolutely digging this series! Your skills are increasing exponentially over time!

[@d.o.3293]

Dude, I thoroughly your approach to design and your light hearted approach to content. You my friend, are hilarious. Keep it up.

[@mikeevans6926]

For reals man it's just good to see you back on youtube more often. I literally learned how to switch my wizard from ppm to ibus from you on your kwad mods series. If it wasnt for community members like you and bardwell and many others I wouldn't have stayed in the hobby

[@ummagawdFPV]

Glad your still around 🤙🤙 and thanks for the comment!

[@DjCjx]

Really looking forward to this frame and build. Got the original acrobrat and had a blast building it. I have no idea why but I'm really enjoying the ultra light quads.

[@yayweredoomed]

This style video is awesome! Love that you walk through the whole process, especially what didn’t work…

[@immersifly9457]

Waouh. That's the video! So so funny to watch! You're pushing the hobby so far man! Can't wait see this project finished and you proud of it! Keep going bro!

[@fly_n_fitter886]

Thanks for taking the time and doing what you do for the hobby

[@HyperFPV]

Really love this series, not something I’ve seen before in fpv and very well put together. Can’t wait to see the crash testing in the next part!

[@ummagawdFPV]

🤙

[@jtrav1204]

Killed it I man. Great video, quality like it's not a youtube channel but an actual documentary show. Cant wait to see ur finished build. I'm gonna build what I can of it in the meantime. Exciting times!!

[@michaelc5027]

I realize that others have already said this, but this is really good stuff. Awesome work on the build, and the video it just fantastic. I love how you talk about the beginnings of FPV, really fascinating stuff. I will never gripe again about having having to solder this to that, or having to tune my PIDs. We really do have it good, and with people like you in the hobby, it'll only keep getting easier. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, and Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays.

[@rmhfpv9225]

THAT DIVE STOPPING POWER!!! I can totally see it in the video. It's like a space ship. Sign me up! That was amazing.

[@fishballfpv9063]

i didnt know what the hobby looks like back then...i so appreciate this..nicely done tommy!

[@sixtofive]

Welcomes to the fun! For sub 250 4" really is a great option. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing where you end up with this project.

[@gizzta]

Yeah as much as I love seeing Tommy explore the 5" limits, it's far less headache-inducing to go for a 4 incher. Micro Reverb, 1408 mamba motors with 4023 pros, 20x20 stack plus 20mm VTX, 750mAh 4S battery and TBS Nano RX make a wonderful freestyle rig for just 249g and fly like a champ ! Goes anywhere from 5min hard freestyle to 10min cruising...

[@shoecrew8485]

@@gizzta I think the problem is the budget for the frame, it needs to be around 30g to have a reasonable battery. Also disk ratio is a factor. having very high weight to thrust ratio is not helpful if you do not have the weight density to cut through the air. As a matter of fact even 4” may be on the verge of too big for 250g.

[@gizzta]

@@shoecrew8485 yeah my 4" reverb is kinda floaty and some moves lack inertia to be doable... I can't imagine a 5" under 250g that would be good at freestyling... I mean, sometimes I prefer my 3" "kinda-heavy" build even if it is not as endurant as it sucks batteries so fast

[@metoo3918]

@@gizzta but that's not DJI.

[@PIDtoolbox]

Dude, I commend the work you put into frame build! Spectacular! Fun walk through vid as well. This work goes a long way. I'll be looking to your frames for my next build.

[@RollsFPV]

ahh the memories of flashing hobbyking esc's... and breaking shit every time you fly. Thank goodness those day are over... Awesome work...

[@kyzafpv2247]

Me: I will move to DJI when I can have a 250g 5inch Tommy: hold my beer

[@fpvlive]

Can't wait for the frame, I'm so curious where you eventually will come up with..

Awesome Tommy. Thanks for the inspiration. Jumping back into quads and really focused on sub 250g.

[@sharkey5150]

Tommy, WOW!! Great, Great, Great Production!! Very pro, not only extremely entertaining also Very informative! You’ve nailed it. Keep up the awesome work!

[@freeksuout]

Another amazing vid. Really enjoying how these are presented! Best fpv channel on the Tube right now imo

[@kacimierz]

This is the kind of project I'd like to see work out, sounds way more fun than all of the 4 inch long range hype.

[@Line-of-sight-cinema]

This is what a call a serious deep dive!!! TRULY INSPIRING!!!!

[@Aar0n2009]

So glad ur doing this. So many freestyle pilots that wanna fly. But with the sub250 rule. It’s hard. Again. Thank you for taking your time to do this.

[@Sircleanfpv]

Best video format I've ever seen pls tell me I don't have to wait 2 weeks for the next one😭 Better than any Netflix series

[@jackinabackpack7599]

Man, your production value. Through the roof!

[@legacygarage5056]

Bro the content just went up 10000x keep em coming. I’m very interested on this 5inch build when it drops. Love my umma95x can’t wait for this light freestyle frame!

[@nathanhunter9891]

So awesome, can't wait for part 3. Probably going to need to get me whatever the end result is haha. You the man UMG!

[@BeyeaMan]

I can't wait for the next edition of this 250g series. I'm really digging the effort and time you put into these videos. Hopefully the crash testing goes well.

[@flowleopard893]

I WANT IT ALREADY. Test flights look sooooo much fun!

[@tothehilt]

You hit it on this one Tommy. Any builder would be riveted from start to end.

[@Michasu13]

This looks amazing so far. Thank you for taking the challenge of sub 250 5". I can't wait to see you guys crash test it. Out of curiosity would you consider releasing a 4" version of this. The screaming 4" scenario you described just seemed like a fun build.

[@originafreerangechicken]

Revolutionary, Tommy. You are killing the entire game. Content level- Dragon! More!

[@jiltedgaijin9320]

Absolutely loving this series of videos. It’s great to be able to see what goes on behind the scenes of our community with regards to product development. Looking forward to the next part 👍🏻

[@Lift33d]

Hella old school days my man That’s what’s up! I still have my TBS Discovery from 8 years ago with 30aMp TBS Bulletproof escs !! Love the Remix!! Best quad ever

[@djdubz]

Engineering at its finest. Looking forward to the final sub 250 5"! Awesome you're trying to get it under 250 with the vista HD system! Wouldn't see it any other way. Looks great and seems just about ready for market!

[@Techwonderland]

Such a good series. Can’t wait for #3.

[@jonykatz]

I guess there is no chance - but can you make a long-range 250g FPV? (and a building video for it?🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻) I think a lot of people will appreciate it! And thank you, I just found your channel and it's great!🤗

[@hadaralon]

250g long range FPV drone would be dope!

[@patrickcolclough2423]

@@hadaralon Any of the many 4" Long Range quads like the Flywoo Explorer?

[@EvilSpeculator]

@@hadaralon Uuuuhmmmm maybe I misunderstood your question but it's been done. Check out DaveCFPV's FB group. Or are you guys referring to a 5'' 250g LR? Dave tried to do it but I guess he decided that 4'' is the sweet spot for LR. I built two of them myself and they do get at least 20mins with a 4S 1800mAh Lipo - more with a Li-Ion.

[@bodavis3819]

Awesome work man, glad your working on this. Video was very entertaining as well. Can't wait for the finished product! Keep it up!

[@jlarson42]

Very interesting history lesson. Cool seeing thought process and decision making to come out with a 250g 5" I love ripping 5" racers. But while light they're twice the weight of your goal. Can't wait to see more 💖😍

[@Varian_t]

Wow, that's I didn't thought about how's the beginning of the fpv erra starts and how much you guys struggled to catch-up. Majorly on the ESC. great stuff bro❤️❤️❤️

[@mikecheka1]

Loved the video. Can't wait for the frame! Picking up a set of motors right now to get ready.

[@storm14k]

Much better than the old rotor riot stuff. Glad to see most of that old group moving towards solid informational and genuinely entertaining content.

[@ummagawdFPV]

Thanks for continuing to watch my content! 🤙🤙

[@gyropyro7338]

hey Tommy, first of all, amazing work ! Full of info and enternaining as usual. Im just wondering why not go the 4" route. I do understand that 5" has been the golden standard for so long and you want to keep that size but it seems like there are just too many compromises. you are at 269g, cutting down to 240 means an 11% shave off the current build which will be very very difficult on an already light build without sacrificing something. thats like trying to cut 60+ grams on a light weight 5". But with a 4" this seems doable, a slight scale down of everything would help you get under that 250g with that bit of a room to spare without too much compromise. Anyways among the reasons 5" was golden also had to do with the size and weight of your typical gopro, things just worked great with the existing hardware when 5" started becoming a thing, but now those times are kind of over, you said it yourself. Also, other developers have already proven that you can have rock solid performance and smooth flight with under 5" quads, so props and frame dont absolutely have to be 5" to be good. I also believe that if you keep the weight the same but reduce the size a bit it might make it a bit less floaty, since the overall density increases a bit (footprint and air drag decrease). Have you considered 4" ? ... and yes, it does have to land at like 240g or even 235g AUW for it to be universally accepted, people cant always find the exact batteries you have, they use different power cable lenghts, different straps, different screws, different receivers, different antennas, and even the solder blobs themselves can make a few grams of difference...

[@carlwhitaker5151]

Enjoying this series....why isnt anyone using carbon fibre box section for arms? Very light, strong with only 1mm wall. RcExplorer used to make them for his tricopters.....

[@teesm1th734]

Great work man, this is so different from what we are used to seeing in fpv videos these days.

[@ranudar5666]

Great video. The story telling and editing is superb! I enjoyed it very much! Thank you and I hope you have a great time!

[@ku-hc5dl]

This video made me laugh in a time when we have not had much laughter. I can't wait to see how this project ends up. You bring such a refreshing out look to something we all love. You are really an innovator. Happy holidays to you and your family.

[@ummagawdFPV]

We all need to remember to smile and laugh. Thanks man!

[@barraca1393]

Dude, I'm really loving this last two videos. You're in the flow!

[@yarbsfpv]

You are a gift to this hobby. This is making me pretty hyped for the future of the hobby regardless of regulatory limitations. Plus : just toss that chunky vista for an analog and there's your naked gopro weight budget ezpz!

[@ummagawdFPV]

Oh yea analog peeps are in the clear lol

[@hydrojedi]

Nice job! It was great to catch a glimpse of the old 12amp afros...mine have long since been repurposed on my kids foamies. Keep up the good work

[@ummagawdFPV]

Yeaaaaaa your def OG

[@Line-of-sight-cinema]

I can't wait to see more of this frame and set up! come a long way from the Vortex 250 pro

[@flamepygmy]

Excellent video! You put so much effort in your videos. Really loving them. The 'ittle things usually add up quite a bit when you are doing a sub 250g build. I've done a few and I usually always budget the weight at about 235g or so from the 'known' parts. The wiring, standoffs, bolts, 3D printed camera mount, xt30 cable, zip ties, capacitor, lipo strap, small lipo anti-slip pads, ... all the knick knacks just add up in the end. Currently building something similar. 5" sub250g park flyer based on the BetaFPV 2004's. A custom single bottom plate 4inch thick frame totaling at about 27grams w/o standoffs etc. Target is to be able run with GNB 550mAh 6S (450mAh is hard to come by in Canada) and still be slightly under 250g.

[@ummagawdFPV]

Nice man! Yea all the little do-dads add up fast when your trying to save every gram. Good luck!

[@MCsCreations]

Dude, it's looking sick! 😃 Fantastic work, Tommy! Happy holidays! And stay safe there! 🖖😊

[@mr-huggy]

It's starting to look you might get there. I'm working on a 4 inch freestyle build based on the Fouride (FPVcycle) and it looks like it will come in about 254g, darn it.

[@mofofpv4759]

Hey Tommy , I have a 3” acrobrat build that I completely love !! I also have a 6” rooster that I fly but I have found that to me the acrobrat is just so much more fun and very durable ! Honestly it’s made me go a little more towards the smaller quads . I don’t get much time in the air but when I do , if I had to make a choice it would be the acrobrat every time !

[@fpv568]

I've been looking for a way to mount a naked GoPro on a 5inch but that kind of build would probably be better suited for that, looking forward to it :)

[@MrSmithersFPV]

this is amazing! thank you so much tommy! this makes me feel like we can keep going and have as much enjoyment as pre faa remote ID. it's incredibly impressive how when I got started in fpv 5 years ago I learned almost everything from you and the RR crew and here we are 2020 and you are saving the idea of the hobby as we know it by doing what everyone was dreading doing (R&d under 250g) Thank you sir for the hard work!

[@maadfisher]

I’m really enjoying this 5” sub250g journey, I hope you’re successful! Great work and stay safe.

[@draynor77]

What about the new caddx nebula pro camera coming out. That’s about 4g lighter then the stock DJI camera.

[@illusionistsam]

Man i love it it doesn't matter how much longer it takes to make man you are awsome

[@hoverbotfpv1425]

In the beginning there was Black out the rest is history with naze32. LOL! Emax 2218's and plush esc were the chit. tBS with DJI flamewheel arms LOL! Up prop a Baby croc 4" ?

[@menthous305]

Hi Tommy, absolutely loved this style of video, literally had me laughing out loud. When I saw the thumbnail for this video saying part 2 I let out a "YES" and I little fist pump! I appreciate all you do for the hobby and community, please keep up the amazing work!!! Thank you Tommy!!! Much Respect to u!!!

[@turbo_waffle]

Really dig watching this series. Seeing the process and results, can’t wait for the next one! Can’t wait to get my hands on the finished product!

[@yannickg6904]

I'm gonna pitch the idea again for the frame.... Those new motors would be awesome on a 4in Acrobrat too, if you ever decided to release one.

[@jtfpv]

This is so good. Your care in the production and editing absulotely shows. Looking forward to more and may be getting your new frame next year.

[@mikew2930]

Yes this video style is awesome. Keep up the great work. Please... have you thought of trying this same set up on a 4 inch frame?

[@Rstang50]

Love the video. Keep them coming. Thank you for taking us behind the scenes and thought process of developing such a difficult build.

[@jannarobert8282]

Awesome video! Super engaging, fun to watch and interesting - can't wait for the next one!

[@nikfpv3456]

The Twig ET5 is my favorite ultra lite 5" frame. Very strong and simple.

[@L1L1TH1UM]

This build looks rad! Super excited to see how it progresses.

[@StantonLuke]

The dive just stops!! Incredible!

[@schwerergustav5890]

I wonder if it will be able to fly decent on beaten up props or if handling will go out the door after one crash like 3” ultralights.

[@coolcoyote1893]

this is definitely going to be an incredible quad. I think it is next on my list for what to build.

[@dbcooperfpv9883]

LOVE this series - keep them coming - informative, interesting, and entertaining as hell! The production quality is unbelievable - all of your hard work really shows

[@adambostwick1377]

This style edit i feel like definitely fits you. I made it through the video without checking how much time was left, and wanting more!! Great video bro.