Bart Ehrman vs Justin Bass • Did Jesus of Nazareth rise from the dead?

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@raya.p.l5919 Жыл бұрын

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@christopher7725 Жыл бұрын

Justin, can you tell us who persuaded you in this debate?

@area777th Жыл бұрын

Our knowledge of life is limited to death!. I Thought the same too, I thought i got everything.

@steveweiss7191 Жыл бұрын

A quick Google will reveal ten resurrections other than Jesus.

@ClaimClam Жыл бұрын

@@christopher7725 I don't even have to watch to vote for Bass because I know the Truth of Christ

@alexmaksimov3888 Жыл бұрын

I’m a Christian, but man, Bart’s patience here is almost Christ-like.

@vanessac0382 Жыл бұрын

Bcoz he still embodies the image of God

@hjeffwallace Жыл бұрын

I’m atheist. 2 days ago a customer asked if I was a Christian, he was so impressed with my work. I ignored his inappropriate question, focusing on the job. The third time he asked, I finally told him no. He was surprised, “You aren’t a believer? You seem so Christian.” I can think of no worse insult than telling an atheist that they seem Christian. It says that I have no internal decency.

@xaviervelascosuarez Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. The other guy, whose name I don't know, was very aggressive and annoyingly disruptive.

@kanyebear2358 Жыл бұрын

@@hjeffwallace and everyone clapped and gave you 500 dollars each

@kanyebear2358 Жыл бұрын

Because being blinded by beams on your eyes is so Christ-like brudda🙏

@GimbaGoyo Жыл бұрын

Bart is more convincing. He listens more, does not cut off the other speaker, brings more evidence-based points, and says "I don't know" more often. To me that makes him a much more honest conversationist, and Justin seems to be looking for a "Gatcha moment". I am a Christain, and I said this.

@geneshifter Жыл бұрын

Justin is a very typical apologist imo. A meme.

@anarchorepublican5954 Жыл бұрын

13:49..📘Another Ehrman Correction:...It was not "4" eyewitness...it was 3 witnesses ..who claimed they prayed, in the woods, and an angel showed them the Mormonite gold plates...these 3 never claimed to have touched them or held them...nor was Joseph Smith with them at the time.. Nor is their Testimony described in their own words, but a single statement mutually signed by all three.

@rodzalez3549 Жыл бұрын

Religious folk have to interrupt, talk loudly ,ad hominem because they know their argument don’t hold water and they hate having to think for workarounds

@jamescornelison6384 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm a Christian too and I hate when other believers act like assholes because they think they need to "win" a "debate." God is bigger than that. Maybe just be charitable and leave the rest to Him.

@geneshifter Жыл бұрын

@@jamescornelison6384 great advice imo

@cynthiaboyd1710 11 ай бұрын

Justin Bass and his actions of continously interrupting Bart Ehrmam convinces me that Justin Bass might be afraid that his argument isn't strong enough.

@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw 10 ай бұрын

Justin Bass reminds me of Ben Shapiro. They are both really really irritating d*cks.

@ericgraham8150 10 ай бұрын

Yeah. This is hard to listen too. If I was Christian, I would not want this guy to be arguing for my faith. All of his “facts” are so tenuous and portray the evidence for his case as so threadbare and weak. Justin has basically made the case that Christianity is like a house of cards built upside down.

@roseetienne222 10 ай бұрын

Religious people are so conditioned they don't like to hear the truth . Justin Bass knows that Dr Bart Ehrman is absolutely right : Jesus didn't even Existed , it's mythology ! religions are man made , dogma mental enslavement and mythology.

@atleelang4050 9 ай бұрын

I think you should watch the debate, because that is not what happened. Bart changed the topic and interrupted and insulted Justin constantly.

@roseetienne222 9 ай бұрын

No I disagree with you that's not true Dr Bart Ehrman is very calm and patience with Justin Bass ! He' s behaving very professionally !!!;

@philliproyal4920 5 ай бұрын

I believe the audience was misled. I watched the debate because I thought it was about whether one had evidence that Jesus was risen from the dead. What I heard instead was Justin Bass ramble on about his Christian faith. Bart Ehrman exhibited scholarship and emotional control. As a curious christian person, Professor Ehrman won this debate hands down.

@crappiesniper 3 ай бұрын

Definitely 💯 agree with you!!!

@DonnaMaskil 2 ай бұрын

@@philliproyal4920 I think Bart has had a lot of experience with this kind of person.

@danhtran6401 2 ай бұрын

So many likes for a shallow comment..... amazing....

@IRsnarf 2 ай бұрын

Barts book on misquoting jesus is so good. I am half way. What I dont understand why is christian doctine dictated by paul and his letters to a specific people . They arent from God, he isnt counted as a prophet .

@shepherds.pie.youtube Ай бұрын

I think they both were more than a little unprofessional but I mostly agree with you. In this debate, Bart came out on top if just in scholarship alone.

@johnbostrom3923 Жыл бұрын

Bart Ehrman demonstrates the beauty of rational and polite discourse. His knowledge of history is impressive.

@Diligent-dp7gi Жыл бұрын

Bart Ehrman IS A DISCIPLE OF SATAN & WILL BE IN HELL'S FIRE WITH HIM.

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

Mary appearances are not Historic facts. He made his whole argument on a non-historical claim - not facts- and never mind, Mary appearances are Not Biblical either. Bart argument falls apart, there is no equivalency between Mary appearances and Jesus appearances Bart didn’t use historica facts to support his arguments

@r0ky_M 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochickNeither Jesus or Mary appearances are historical fact..Bart's whole point is if Xtians dismiss Mary appearances they should do the same with Jesus instead of applying the usual 'special pleading' crapola.

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick yeah sure.

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick and you quote einstein, jesus.

@adozera8714 Жыл бұрын

It is beyond me how a guy like Justin Bass can be called a scholar. I was able to rattle off the names of the logical fallacies he committed as he spoke. I'm so glad I took my blood pressure medicine this morning.

@GabrielEddy Жыл бұрын

His special pleading is nauseating 😷

@williamakogun3673 Жыл бұрын

A shallow apologist of Christian doctrine

@NeuroDot7 Жыл бұрын

To Bass’s point about Muslims claiming to having dreams/visions of a man in white, isn’t it generally accepted that that might be the case because Muhammad isn’t allowed to be painted or portrayed? And wouldn’t it be more of the case that Jesus would show up more since Jesus is portrayed a whole lot more then Muhammad, Krishna or Buddha are? Mary as well, so that’s why she shows up in dreams and visions as well more often then even Jesus in some cases?

@mickeycz Жыл бұрын

he's unbearable...

@EtsySpellcaster-fy3sl Жыл бұрын

@Esteban17777 Lol, no. It never says you can’t dream of Mohammed, it says you can’t draw him. And that’s not limited to just him, it goes for ALL the prophets, INCLUDING Jesus, so your argument doenst hold. Also, you got any sources or evidence of your claim that Jesus and Mary “show up” more in dreams than other figures, and why that should mean jack squat? Maybe, shocker, it’s because you live in a Christian country, therefore most people aren’t thinking about krishna? Lol. Or maybe because Christianity is the largest (barely the largest, just ahead of Islam, and will soon be overtaken) religion (which doesn't mean it’s true) and jesus is a much more central figure in the religion, and claimed to be literally god, as opposed to literally every other religion?

@tiberbaker2244 Жыл бұрын

As an ex-mormon, I loved Bart's points against Justin's uniqueness claims. Bart was more accurate about mormon theology than most religious debaters.

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

Good for you and ex-Mormon. The Bible has some illogical fallacies- but Mormonism was way worse I am an ex- atheist Jesus is my Lord

@vulcan_nova 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick Can you explain a syllogism for biblical Christianity that cannot be used by the Latter-day Saint movement?

@kevwhufc8640 11 ай бұрын

Mormon theology, started by some guy from the 1800s , lol , so many types of christianity, ya just can't take any of it seriously lol

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick lol. whenever is see someone say they used to be atheist i wonder how that can be, cos atheists think is a way religists can't understand, and they are not allowed to understand. what was your "atheist experience" i wonder, cos my experience of ex atheists is they always believed there was a god but weren't sure one week. also my motto in life is "never trust a christian" cos, well, they can't be trusted.

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@kevwhufc8640 "do it yourself" religions. if you don't like what god does, don't dare disagree, start a new spin off religion. cowards, that's religists, they don;t have the guts to stand up to god.

@marklord7614 5 ай бұрын

Bart is confirming why it is pointless for a historian to debate a Christian theologian about the truthfulness of Christianity.

@20ksubswithoutanycontent52 5 ай бұрын

“Truthfulness”😂 He clearly doesn’t know the truth either.

@vhawk1951kl 3 ай бұрын

There*Are_No* christians.

@martinwhitney9343 2 ай бұрын

And there's no truth in christian claims

@GldnClaw 2 ай бұрын

We members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints like him. Heck, even the youtube Channel "Missionary Discussions" has a video that has an excerpt from this very debate in it (and in the thumbnail, so you can find it that way).

@tuula4649 2 ай бұрын

The Bible is not a history book. It is a revelation from God only to understand trough the Holy Spirit. Even the wisest man on earth is ignorant and stupid.

@simonthompson2764 Жыл бұрын

Watched this again. Two things stand out: Bass's close mindedness, and Bart's compelling arguments!

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

Jesus and Mary lived 2,000 years ago. The people who lived 2,000 years ago saw Jesus and Mary and knew what they both looked like. When Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to all of those people 2,000 years ago, they all knew it was Jesus, because they all saw him before he died, and therefore they recognized him after he rose from the grave and appeared unto them. But the Catholics who say they saw Mary, the Mary who lived 2,000 years ago, they never saw her, because they did not live when Mary was alive 2,000 years ago. So if those Catholic people who say that they saw Mary, who lived 2,000 years ago, did NOT see Mary 2,000 years ago, because those Catholic people were NOT alive 2,000 years ago to see Mary, then how do they know if what appeared to them was Mary, if they don't know what Mary looked liike, 2,000 years ago? In order for them to recognized that it was Mary who appeared to them, the Mary, who lived 2,000 years ago, they would have had to been alive 2,000 years ago, and saw Mary with their own eyes, 2,000 years ago.

@mathgod Жыл бұрын

Nice fallacy, you are obviously a Christian not a catholic. Brother, join us on the light side, atheism.

@MrMortal_Ra Жыл бұрын

@@marvinberry295Nice straw man buddy.

@NeuroDot7 Жыл бұрын

@pokestar9994 Жыл бұрын

⁠@@marvinberry295But this goes back to Bart’s point about people believing that they saw their dead relatives. Knowing what they looked like doesn’t exclude them from the possibility of being mistaken.

@kurtjohnson9911 Жыл бұрын

This was an absolute bloodbath…. Justin was more interested in trying to “score points” than actually listening and engaging with Bart

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

And all the while spouting fallacies, acting smug and cocksure, and continually interrupting. Not a good look.

@raysofsun8625 Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, He's got crucified by Bart. big time. Maybe he forgot to be washed by Jesus' blood before the talk. Hey, try krishna's blood next time.

@gsp3428 Жыл бұрын

Probably not to bias are you.

@mertalrooth01 Жыл бұрын

@GSP looking at it from. An objective point of view is not bias. Bart didn't faulted and was tactful. The other guy used fallacies , talked over tge person and had no evidence but "a feeling"

@JamesJohnson-sl2nx Жыл бұрын

As Christian I was disappointed. Bart's arguments do not dissuade me but Justin was just unprepared and anxious I feel. I would even say defensive.

@Grace3442 Жыл бұрын

Wow, Bart, it just amazes me how he can be so calm, cool, and collected while Justin is sweating and losing his mind!

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

Satan is supposed to be cool and collected too 😅 Bart has zero training in physics and yet he dares talk about thermodynamics.

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick i have a crappy art degree, but i do understand (most) of thermodynamics, it';s not impossible to be educated outside your field. and satan, if you read the bible, is actually a much, much pleasanter character than god. i defy you to find anywhere, any amount of information that makes satan a worse moral character than god. satan never lied, whereas god has deceived, satan killed five people, three in a bet that god made with him, whereas god has killed everybody. satan trades your soul for a life skill, god demands it with menaces - satan gets my vote every day of the week over god - a dictator who will kill anyone who disagrees with him. christians are sick minded fools. and both satan and god are imaginary.

@stedbenj 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick who are you trying to convince? 😅

@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube 10 ай бұрын

@@veranochick, I do. What is your point? Thermodynamics? What?

@leonardpaulson 10 ай бұрын

Bart knows the Bible inside and out. As a former evangelical and someone who debates them regularly, I’m sure he’s heard every argument they can use against him and knows how to dismantle it while providing biblical receipts. He’s got nothing to prove and a solid base to start from.

@findingfuscta 5 ай бұрын

I’ve never been more convinced there is no evidence of the resurrection.

@user-mm8ur9el9n 3 ай бұрын

If you care to see a better case, I recommend N.T. Wright's "The Resurrection of the Son of God"

@okeyofoegbu1687 3 ай бұрын

@@user-mm8ur9el9n exactly! NT Wright is a rock solid historian!

@Yolani-ch1vc 2 ай бұрын

You and me both.

@kyleauthman 2 ай бұрын

@@user-mm8ur9el9n No one can prove it

@danhtran6401 2 ай бұрын

Sure there is.... After Jesus's death all his disciples went out and preached the good news, they all died miserably but one. His disciples weren't average men, some were business men who left their families behind. With that said, I ask you, would you leave your family, leave your business, preach in the middle of the streets, knowing you'll be hung upside down, shot by arrows, etc., if they didn't see Jesus rise from the dead?....

@Agonostic 8 ай бұрын

Bart Erhman wins! Former Christian here. I looked up Justin Bass and was shocked to see he has a PhD degree! His argument really does not reveal that type of education. Thank you for this debate!

@CliftonHicksbanjo 4 ай бұрын

PhD is meaningless now. They churn them out like mills.

@nayon9379 4 ай бұрын

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@user-mm8ur9el9n 3 ай бұрын

His PhD isn't in rhetoric, and Ehrman is a notoriously tricky debater

@jeffburns4219 3 ай бұрын

@@user-mm8ur9el9n Ehrman is the opposite of “tricky”. He’s plain-spoken, simple, direct, and clear. He says what he truly thinks, and he derives what he thinks from straight-forward, not especially nuanced, logic. Logic, not “rhetoric”, is just what Bass appears particularly inept at.

@jeffburns4219 3 ай бұрын

Nowadays they give out graduate degrees like candy on Halloween. There were three people in my small tenth-grade English class smarter than anyone I ever encountered in graduate school.

@rfalls977 Жыл бұрын

Bass was in over his head it seemed. Not just where knowledge is concerned, but also in forming and presenting his arguments, Ehrman is at another level.

@chartranddave Жыл бұрын

That's absolutely true...Bart approached this discussion from a position of well rounded scholarship...Justin argued it from a belief perspective (his own) and didn't really care to be educated about other faiths and perspectives or the parallels they draw in respect to this question because he doesn't believe them and therefore they are unimportant...obviously biased and very unfortunate for someone claiming a pedigree of scholarship...

@JamesJohnson-sl2nx Жыл бұрын

You'd think he would have been more prepared seeing that he had debated Bart once before. I wonder if that was just as bad.

@stephenhanley3400 Жыл бұрын

11 of the 12 disciples died, in some cases horrific deaths for their belief that Jesus rose from the dead - when it comes to forming compelling arguments, I would completely disagree that Bart Ehrman is another level (his knowledge yes, very knowledgeable - but that's 2 different things)

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

@@stephenhanley3400 Where is the reliable historical evidence for any of this? Also, why does it even matter? People have died for falsehoods throughout history and even today. Even if someone is convinced of something does not make it true.

@Conan.... Жыл бұрын

@@bigbrointhesky can you prove reality is not false? How do you know all of reality isn't just a dream you conjured up? Can you prove you believe what you say you believe? If nature can manifest complex designs that seem to be far beyond our understanding even today then would it not seem likely that nature could also manifest a codex book of why and how though the words of complex beings that of which were also manifested by nature? nature has dominion over all life on this planet, i see no reason why the human word would be beyond His reach considering how complex life on this planet is, You say nature i say God.

@davidjohnson1536 Жыл бұрын

What Professor Bart Ehrman is showing us is the result of a lifetime of the highest level scholarship and research. It is a thing of beauty, like a Bach concerto, or a great athletic achievement. Bravo!

@conradbulos6164 Жыл бұрын

Wow,! David, that's a nice tribute to a sincere scholar in search of truth which has been buried under layers and layers of invented fiction by faith driven writers.

@Sungaisurgawi1976 Жыл бұрын

How about the church father who believe Jesus resurection? They live in first century. Barth live in 21st century. Do you believe man who never meet and dinner with Jesus?😂

@Cias_artist Жыл бұрын

@@Sungaisurgawi1976what is written is no evidence to anything but the writing itself. Also, there are no primary written sources, only accounts decades after the fact and compiled through oral recounting traditions. Only the convergence of evidence can have any bearing on the hypothesis. And in the context of said convergence, the written of about the church father will be weighted in. I understand that it may feel cold to pick a part the book that supports your belief, but there's nothing being said about the belief itself, therefore no one is attacking what you believe in, you don't need the bible to believe in your faith.

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

@RenéSchiffer 4 ай бұрын

Thanks again, Justin, to make my departure of the church that much easier.

@GldnClaw 2 ай бұрын

If you want something that will actually *hold up* to Bart Erhman's criticism, consider the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

@DARTHCROSS 9 ай бұрын

Please, for the love of god, never allow Justin bass to debate ever again. Bart Ehrman deserves so much respect for the amount of patience he had with this guy. Put Justin Bass and Ben Shapiro in a room together to discuss any topic and maybe they’ll leave everyone else alone.

@doodstaber2198 4 ай бұрын

🤣

@ForestDB11 4 ай бұрын

Could not have said it better. Dr. Ehrman has decades of experience handling people like this. Perhaps Justin should apply at the Daily Wire.

@pchodges1 4 ай бұрын

As someone who believes that Christ was raises from the dead, I agree Bart handled this very well and absolutely won the debate. Were I neutral, Justin would not have come across as even plausible let alone convincing. I was fascinated for instance at Bart's claims about the growth of the mormon church. I wish that or any other thought experiment had been allowed to be chased.

@pchodges1 4 ай бұрын

raised *

@DARTHCROSS 4 ай бұрын

@@pchodges1 If I may ask, which/whose arguments have you found convincing regarding the resurrection of Jesus? Can you direct me to a debate/conversation/resource?

@micatnight2010 9 ай бұрын

"To claim that something is historical requires a critical evaluation of all the sources and all the information and to establish levels of probability." Ehrman's patient and unfailingly logical approach to establish what is truth is the real "bedrock" in this conversation.

@jenniferchan4206 Жыл бұрын

Sorry but Justin Bass is exactly the reason why I do not go to church. I wish he had the intellectual integrity and honestly to say the three courageous words “I don’t know.” Thank you, Professor Urhman! My hats off again!

@Diligent-dp7gi Жыл бұрын

You're just ONE OF MILLIONS Who WILL RECEIVE Their 'Wages' = HELL FIRE & Eternal CONDEMNATION.

@IAmNoOne281 Жыл бұрын

@@Diligent-dp7gi single greatest selling point of Christianity. FUCK OFF. You will die and remain dead just like Jesus.

@mefistopheles Жыл бұрын

@@Diligent-dp7giI don't know how you'd think one would see that as a threat 😶

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

If you dare study physics- You will learn Bart is a con artist

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

A lot of blah blah Bart talks about the Laws of physics and the Laws of mathematics. Pure blah blah Newtonian physics? Which laws of mathematics? In mathematics we BElLIEVE that two points determine a Line. We believe the line extends both directions into INFINITY. This means the line keeps extending beyond the universe By the way, physics cannot prove the universe is infinite. We have no idea how far this universe goes. The theory of Big bang is a Theory based in many models. Mathematics is based on BELIEFS and assumptions that only exist in our head, God is the same. As a Christian, since Ehrman has not proven historically to prove that Jesus resurrection never happened, Ehrman never used facts by the way, I continue to Believe, by Faith, that Jesus resurrected. Faith is not logical. I don’t need a logical explanation for it I took calculus in university- I learned the basics of infinity. I had to believe in infinity- Otherwise I would’ve failed the course. 😂. I got an A. And Jesus is my Lord

@maxipaw-dc5xj 4 ай бұрын

Thanks to Bart I am no longer a Christian. The truth will set you free.

@alexwilliamrussell 2 ай бұрын

The Bible actually never refers to heaven as a place, or Satan. The Jews especially just thought burial in valley they call hell for criminals was a awful fate, that was shameful end. That Catholic church could twist add so much more goes against the written Bible being the truth. My lord having priests and sacraments and tithing to local leader not the jerusalem temple would disgust Jesus. Jesus would hate Catholicism which shows no it is not the truth .... Jesus was awesome man in an awful time, like Raoul Wallenberga Swede who saved Jews and somwetimes it is claimed people saw alive in gulags rather than likely shot by KGB in 1945. . . . That some people have visions so lose chance to have faith goes AGAINST logic and claim its a mystery to allow faith ..

@EthanBird 3 күн бұрын

Thanks to Justin, a bunch of people are no longer Christian.

@rmclean3 Жыл бұрын

When Bart has to correct Justin about Josephus being anti-apocalyptic, I think Justin realizes just how outclassed he is on New Testament history. Whether you're a Christian or not, you cannot deny that Bart Ehrman is a scholar of the highest level. I have yet to see anyone he has debated rival his unbelievable knowledge on this issue.

@NeuroDot7 Жыл бұрын

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

Bart is either confused or he is dishonest. Arrogant for sure He talks about the Laws of physics and the Laws of mathematics. Pure blah blah Newtonian physics? Which laws of mathematics? In mathematics we BElLIEVE that two points determine a Line. We believe the line extends both directions into INFINITY. This means the line keeps extending beyond the universe By the way, physics cannot prove the universe is infinite. We have no idea how far this universe goes. The theory of Big bang is a Theory based in many models. Mathematics is based on BELIEFS and assumptions that only exist in our head, God is the same. As a Christian, since Ehrman has not proven historically to prove that Jesus resurrection never happened, Ehrman never used facts by the way, I continue to Believe, by Faith, that Jesus resurrected. Faith is not logical. I don’t need a logical explanation for it I took calculus in university- I learned the basics of infinity. I had to believe in infinity- Otherwise I would’ve failed the course. 😂. I got an A. And Jesus is my Lord

@ShadowOfDeath33 11 ай бұрын

@@NeuroDot7 you can have images of muhammad. They just can't be portrayed negatively.

@CrazyBibleNinja 11 ай бұрын

William Lane Craig vs Bart was way better. Bart has nothing on Craig!!

@hiddyboy101 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Justin realises he's being successfully challenged in terms of his claims. Justin keeps moving the goal posts. This is typical for Christians making these claims. Bart's reasoning is simpler. So in my view Bart's claims are more plausible than Justin's claims. This is always the case. Bart's evidence in support of his claims is stronger than Justin's. Justin's claims and the others making the same claims are weaker simply because of how complex and creative their interpretation of the evidence is. They have to stretch everything to the limits and beyond. They controvert the evidence whereas the evidence of Bart is clear and uncontroverted.

@SaynaMardani Жыл бұрын

It always makes me cringe when they chose a mere preacher to debate an actual scholar

@kieronbrowne7881 10 ай бұрын

The problem with preachers is they like preaching. Shame he doesn’t have a clue what feck actual evidence is!

@salmonkill7 10 ай бұрын

@@kieronbrowne7881The SHROUD of TURIN is Scientific Material evidence of the RESSURECTION of Jesus Christ. I am a PhD level Physicist that worked in the development of ionizing radiation detectors to detect nuclear weapons and I developed Medical Cancer radiation detectors. The SHROUD was written by an amazing ionizing radiation that only penetated 1 part in a thousand of the diameter of a human hair!! The only way to do this type of shallow image formation is to use 1980s high energy charged particle accelerators. Obviously this didn't exist at 32 AD or so. Material proof of Jesus Ressurection!! Enjoy...

@tomasrocha6139 10 ай бұрын

Justin Bass is also a Professor

@kieronbrowne7881 10 ай бұрын

@@tomasrocha6139 You could have fooled me. He’s got the critical thinking level of a child. I found him unbelievably gullible.

@vmofu7317 9 ай бұрын

@@Sumwhere-N-Betweenit’s the way that they approach. They don’t care about the history, the science, anthropology, translations, and historical contexts. That’s when you get this bozo. It’s embarrassing that you’re defending him and proselytizing in the comments. That’s not the purpose of the discussion. Shows the insecurity, arrogance, and ignorance. You are doing it for yourself and your ego, even if you don’t see it

@cameronbrown_music 3 ай бұрын

As an atheist, even I know that Christianity has got to have better debaters than this guy.

@kaneohehaole7003 Жыл бұрын

Justin is more focused on getting a gotcha, rather than listening to the argument. Barts points were clear and they somehow went right over Justin’s head.

@motherofcatsnz Жыл бұрын

Justin never heard a word Bart said as he was just thinking of his next stupid thing to say.

@markandrzejak997 11 ай бұрын

@@motherofcatsnz Absolutely true

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

@@markandrzejak997 Is there such thing as an absolute truth? Who owns the truth?

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochick no one "owns" truth, you must be a religist is you talk gibberish like that.

@thomaswilliams2723 11 ай бұрын

@@veranochickso said Pilate

@johnyoung6680 Жыл бұрын

If you're looking for good examples of using logical fallacies, Justin gives an absolute MasterClass.

@truthmatter9972 Жыл бұрын

What a jock

@alexandruvasile4244 Жыл бұрын

@@truthmatter9972Bart makes a historical error and a logical error. Historical error: All jews, apocalyptic or not believed in body soul separation (check 1 Samuel in which the soul of Samuel appear to James) Logical error: His argument with marian apparitions work only if he proves that those were hallucinations. He did not do that. He only assumes that

@farcenter Жыл бұрын

I'm embarrassed for him and I'm an atheist

@johnyoung6680 Жыл бұрын

@@farcenter same here. yikes!

@drzaius844 Жыл бұрын

Straw man being his fav. Gross.

@edwardpolenzani1039 Жыл бұрын

Feels like Bart is trying to have a honest discussion and Justin is trying to win an argument

@nanoyabarrett8852 Жыл бұрын

I agree

@kevinmcdonald951 Жыл бұрын

Justin is a moron.

@Bamboleiro04 Жыл бұрын

Siempre es así con los apologetas😢

@bertrandrussell894 Жыл бұрын

Hes desperate to live forever and hes prepared to be rude in the hopes it prevents him from growing up. I wish hell had come up as I think hed also say Bart should/will burn - and in this he has the texts on his side - despite him being an obviously more decent person than him. Certainly less credulous.

@ankur7773 Жыл бұрын

*NO DOUBT 100%ISLAM FAKE RELIGION*

@utxalpha11 5 ай бұрын

If the Holy Spirit were real every single Christian apologist would wipe the floor with anyone who questioned Christian theology.

@sabinegiannamore8711 5 ай бұрын

I don't think that's how it works

@utxalpha11 5 ай бұрын

@@sabinegiannamore8711 why not

@sabinegiannamore8711 4 ай бұрын

@utxalpha11 well... you're imagining things as you think they should be. I can't say for sure... but I doubt God is worried about convincing you... or else he would just appear to us all. It's too bad you got to see a video of Justin bass trying to forcefully make his point... I don't think God would agree with his style of explaining things. The Bible tells us not to argue about these things... if I were you, I would shut myself in my room and bend both knees.. I would start by asking for forgiveness for being evil. (Nothing personal, were all evil)... then I would ask God to reveal himself to me. Just tell him, " Hey, if you're real, and you have some kind of plan for me, allow me to see." it's that simple. Keep in mind that you have to mean it. There has to be a legitimate desire to at least know the truth. That's what I did. One day, I was all cracked out trying to read the bible... it made zero sense to me... I closed it and threw my hands up.... I said to God...." If you want me to read this, at least open my mind so I know what it's saying." Though it did not happen instantly, it did eventually. 2 years later, to be exact.. remember that we can't change God to make him fit our lives,desires, or beliefs, but rather, we need to conform to his ways. I hope you keep asking questions. Have a great day.

@The_Rizz_Lord_ 3 ай бұрын

@@sabinegiannamore8711 Nonsense. You just talked crap. Christianity and Jesus are cults. Paganism re-invented in a different way. A wolf in children's clothes

@isidoreaerys8745 3 ай бұрын

If the Holy Spirit were real all Religions would slowly be honing in on a universal truth. Instead religions are constantly splintering into more and more sects there’s less consensus as time goes on

@chrisc1926 8 ай бұрын

Bart Ehrman has forgotten more about Religious History than Justin Bass has ever learned

@BanAaron 5 ай бұрын

Ryan Hart is that you?

@ВикторФирсов-е9ф 4 ай бұрын

And Bart Ehrman has never forgotten anything…

@klmayer1378 4 ай бұрын

Like what in particular ?

@sherifaljeddawy2467 3 ай бұрын

Islam says that the romans were deceived & Jesus went into a 3 days coma then ascended to god.

@tiagoscherer1158 2 ай бұрын

Best comment ever, Justin is a clown that came with an agenda and couldn't find a way to stick it. Bart is a master of his craft and has studied this with an open mind, so he jumped out of the lunatics boat !

@bennyboytaylor1 Жыл бұрын

I hope to one day reach the level of grace and patience that Bart consistently displays.

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

A lot of blah blah He talks about the Laws of physics and the Laws of mathematics. Pure blah blah Newtonian physics? Which laws of mathematics? In mathematics we BElLIEVE that two points determine a Line. We believe the line extends both directions into INFINITY. This means the line keeps extending beyond the universe By the way, physics cannot prove the universe is infinite. We have no idea how far this universe goes. The theory of Big bang is a Theory based in many models. Mathematics is based on BELIEFS and assumptions that only exist in our head, God is the same. As a Christian, since Ehrman has not proven historically to prove that Jesus resurrection never happened, Ehrman never used facts by the way, I continue to Believe, by Faith, that Jesus resurrected. Faith is not logical. I don’t need a logical explanation for it I took calculus in university- I learned the basics of infinity. I had to believe in infinity- Otherwise I would’ve failed the course. 😂. I got an A. And Jesus is my Lord

@Arven8 Жыл бұрын

Bart had smoked Bass for dinner. Wow. Bass came across arrogant, defensive, and condescending. Not to mention, his arguments were full of holes. I laughed at how exasperated Bart got. I admire his patience in dealing with all of Bass's interruptions, sarcasm, and inability to just shut up and listen.

@joshuavaillancourt9877 Жыл бұрын

Bass seems extremely overmatched here. He may be a fine scholar, but here he seems like a spoon in drawer full of knives (dull in comparison).

@bluerfoot Жыл бұрын

Agreed, he seemed cocky at points, not even understanding that he was getting owned. And I was rooting for him on principle.

@jaystevens1965 Жыл бұрын

I find it astonishing that Justin Bass is a professor (but there may be a difference between US and UK professors).

@Sarah06294 Жыл бұрын

I am not impressed with either of them. I remember when Bart claimed that Mark was in error because he wrote that all Jews purified themselves. I pointed it out to him on his blog that he was plainly wrong. To be fair, Bart later corrected himself. However, what that shows is that Bart doesn’t care about the facts- his popular books are littered with factual errors. When I pointed out to him all his factual errors he responded saying “you attack me on historical grounds but what theory do you have?” I attack Bart on historical grounds because I am a historian who cares about facts and I get annoyed when Bible scholars demonstrate their complete ignorance of Ancient Rome, first-century Jewish culture, and geography. He is like Christopher Hitchens- beautiful prose and powerful rhetoric but poor scholarship and lazy research. Hitchens wrote a book called God is not Great, which is powerfully argued but contains factual errors on literally every page.

@jameslay1489 Жыл бұрын

@@Sarah06294 Then why don't you publicly debate Bart?

@tl7988 4 ай бұрын

To me it is interesting, without taking sides, how one of these individuals has a strong emotional attachment to being ‘right’ rather than curious about the truth or historicity of the topics at hand. It is just so clear in his energy - the incessant interruptions, the random proselytizing jabs that because of his biased world view he takes this as inherent evidence that he is correct... It is unfortunate this individual would rather be self-righteous than curious.

@JohnnysCoolStuff Жыл бұрын

If Bass thinks only one person in history rose from the dead, he hasn't read his Bible very well

@lukegriego6188 Жыл бұрын

I’d highly doubt Bass thinks that. The argument for your statement is that Jesus is the only supporter historical figure with claims of dying, being risen, and then never having died again. Yes, the Bible has numerous accounts with people being resurrected, but they had then died again later (a natural death) and stayed dead. Just because what you’ve stated wasn’t discussed doesn’t mean Bass thinks Jesus was the only person who rose from the dead. A very arrogant claim

@gsandy5235 Жыл бұрын

I guess Bass has never heard of Lazarus of Bethany.

@BrianSchafer-p1y 3 ай бұрын

@lukegriego6188 Actually, there is no Biblical record of what happened to the people who were reportedly (in the Bible) raised from the dead. Perhaps they're still living in some remote Tibetan village. In my opinion, that's just as likely as their ever being raised from the dead at all.

@annetteselent Ай бұрын

@@BrianSchafer-p1yI was never taught about all the “zombies” that rose from the dead along with Jesus…end of Matthew 27. Wonder what happened with them🤷‍♂️

@FrostinthePines Жыл бұрын

Bart's patience and ability to remain cool and collected in the face of Bass' absurdities here is the real miracle. Wow! Talk about a one-sided debate!

@chronogamer7901 10 ай бұрын

I am a Christian, but it is hard not to notice how humble and soft-spoken Bart Ehrman while Justin Bass maintains an air of smugness throughout the debate. That is usually a sign that the person is not very confident in their arguments and the arrogance is a defense mechanism.

@dsmurl7 8 ай бұрын

@SquanchTuber There may be a video somewhere that you can watch to understand. Like, maybe try scrolling to the top of this very page Copernicus.

@VndNvwYvvSvv 8 ай бұрын

No, it's a sign of someone who has practiced that appearance more.

@truthwins8147 8 ай бұрын

True

@truthwins8147 8 ай бұрын

@SquanchTuber Show us EVIDENCE that Jesus resurrected. There is NONE !!

@Mutifidus 8 ай бұрын

Yes, I also think Justin doth protest too much which undermines his credibility.

@bastianleejones 6 ай бұрын

Regarding the results of the SHROUD OF TURIN - the resurrection and its negation can´t be really taken for scientifical truth.

@SilverSurfer5150 Жыл бұрын

I have to say that before I viewed the debate I wanted Bass to win as he is a Christian. Lol! But it has to be said that Bart won it. He was always calm, and made his points very clearly. Justin was too immature and jumped the gun on many occasions; he was also obviously looking for that “Gotcha!” moment.

@VaughanMcCue Жыл бұрын

Me too, and I don't share his superstition. Please provide a description of a YT discussion where the superstitious speaker presents better evidence than the opposing sensible person.

@burntgod7165 Жыл бұрын

Well, this is the point, and so good of you, as a Christian, to be honest. The problem is, Ehrman does history, apologists like Bass just don't.

@martifingers Жыл бұрын

Hi Athos. Your remark strikes me as one that shows humility which I hope you take as a compliment.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

He's not a historian, he's an apologist. It's like asking Johnny Cochran (OJ Simpson's defense lawyer) if actually, truly, OJ did it. He's not looking for truth, he's looking to advocate for a position at all costs, come what may. That's not a reliable pathway to truth.

@saintbrush4398 Жыл бұрын

@@martifingers Marti, your comment strikes me as someone who's very observant, and thinks deeply on things, even when they feel uncomfortable.

@mayito9100 11 ай бұрын

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” -Mark Twain

@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw 10 ай бұрын

"Stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump's mom.

@kemicalhazard8770 10 ай бұрын

Probably the guy rushing to defend his faith instead of *listening*@jonathonlafond3255

@midnightmcguire9897 9 ай бұрын

@jonathonlafond3255 the one not listening and just wanting to argue

@lutkedog1 9 ай бұрын

@@midnightmcguire9897 The one who calls your bluff

@onlylove556 8 ай бұрын

Amen that's why the Bible says don't throw our pearls to the swine. Also not to be yoked with the unbelievers. God bless u 🙏🏼💯

@valentinsolachau-chamutous6163 Жыл бұрын

Yey to Bart! I appreciate your patience! Great conclusion: an apologist presents his religious beliefs as a historical evidence.

@reneeschlingloff9249 Жыл бұрын

Follicular soooo judgemental

@reneeschlingloff9249 Жыл бұрын

What happened was- DUNAMISpower. Holy Spirit and a boatload of Oxytocin. I am super spiritual and I saw my Dead God fearing Mother in my parkour and the clincher she was wearing her favorite perfume that drifted past my olfactory. Professor and Holy Spirit big winners.🌈

@reneeschlingloff9249 Жыл бұрын

PS BARD PLEASE tell Trish to start on Renata’s brother Hugo Geri Ransel🌈

@reneeschlingloff9249 Жыл бұрын

My son Erik Schlingloff came across a motorcar crash where the driver was thrown to the tarmac. He prayed and laid hands on her. She rose up and started to speak.AmenandAMaN🌈

@reneeschlingloff9249 Жыл бұрын

The other chap raises his voice too much.

@michaelatkin9649 2 ай бұрын

56:00 why does everyone argue this but they leave out Asia? There's alot of countries where it hasn't turned Christian even after thousand years of spreading and forced conversations by the billions throughout the world.

@minahana1112 Жыл бұрын

Bart is simply amazing. So logical and incredibly patient.

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

@Viral_Christology Жыл бұрын

He's an amazingly smooth deceiver.

@minahana1112 Жыл бұрын

About what exactly? @@donut-w3t

@billmack8112 Жыл бұрын

Christianity did not start until after Jesus was dead so no Christians saw Jesus. Jesus was a Jew so if you want to be like Jesus, be a Jew. Historical facts are on Bart's side,

@HarryNicNicholas 11 ай бұрын

i wouldn't go that far, but compared to brierly and apologists in general he's the man, justin is pond scum imho.

@staleyjm Жыл бұрын

Bart’s patience in this conversation is a better example of miracle than any claims Justin makes. Also, I would like to add that I thought the moderator did a poor job of moderating.

@edwardstrivelli6465 Жыл бұрын

Well put.

@jordanduran859 Жыл бұрын

How did the moderator do a poor job

@staleyjm Жыл бұрын

@@jordanduran859 I think there were times where they talking over one another and he could have intervened.

@staleyjm Жыл бұрын

@@jordanduran859 poor may have been a poor description, I just felt like the conversation got derailed a few times and he could have brought it back.

@paulswanson534 Жыл бұрын

I do agree the interruptions are frustrating while listening. Let each finish their point then if they go too long that’s where the moderator should cut in.

@anattasunnata3498 Жыл бұрын

Congrats to Bart for this amazing, informative and patient conversation. No one will convince me that Justin Bass didn't know that his own arguments were bullshit and desperate moves done in order to not concede the points to Bart. It almost feels like I'm in Justin shoes and can experience the anxiety for knowing (although not admitting to himself) that he was giving nonsensical arguments. I've been in similar situations (and I'd argue we've all sustained discussions in which, at some point, we knew we were defending position that we didn't believe ourselves, but we didn't want to lose the argument against our opponent), and I felt really stressed out watching this.

@JamesJohnson-sl2nx Жыл бұрын

I don't think the man was prepared. It was fairly embarrassing.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

@@JamesJohnson-sl2nx Not only not prepared, but also completely wrong.

@andrewmeneely9774 Жыл бұрын

HOW COME BART JUST TAKES ON WEAK DEBATERS. HE DOESN'T PRESENT WELL

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeneely9774 So now it's Bart's fault that his debaters are weak? Maybe Bart is stronger because it's easier to defend the truth than to twist yourself into pretzels to defend the indefensible, like Bass does.

@samiiyoon3222 Жыл бұрын

@@JamesJohnson-sl2nx part of the lack of preparation is going to a theological school and being told that any other idea or interpretation is false outside of what you're being taught. Can't debate well if you can't recognize the weaknesses of your own arguement. This guy seems like he's used to people listening and obeying, hence repeating his same irrelevant point over and over again.

@YellowJacket1981 2 ай бұрын

I’m a Christian, but I’d love to sit with Bart, because he seems to want to find the truth, and that’s what any of us should want. I’d like a more capable person on the Christian side, though. CS Lewis would have been great in this conversation.

@timmygibsonkc Жыл бұрын

Bart for the WIN! I spent 30 years as an Evangelical Pastor and Justin is suffering from Christian Confirmation Bias!

@JesusRodeADino Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on shedding the "faith" virus. I'm in the same boat, personally.

@timmygibsonkc Жыл бұрын

@@JesusRodeADino It wasn't until I broke free from it that I recognized just how toxic the belief system was (is)! I talk about my journey on my podcast, The Timmy Gibson Show.

@totobermundo Жыл бұрын

Now you're a proud apostate. Congratulations. As an "Evangelical pastor" I hope you read the book of Hebrews and the warnings there about apostacy. It'd be better for you to go to hell as a native in the Amazon who never heard the Gospel than knowing it and rejecting it.

@EvilXtianity Жыл бұрын

@@timmygibsonkc _"...that I recognized just how toxic the belief system was (is)!"_ It's literally the worship of ritual human sacrifice.

@Robbie_Digital Жыл бұрын

@@EvilXtianity I always had questions about that since childhood. If a loved one died by a gun, would it make sense for me to wear a necklace with a golden bullet dangling from it?

@TheFrancoisBuys Жыл бұрын

Bart totally dominated the debate. Conducted himself professionally and respectfully.

@counterstrike89 Жыл бұрын

That's not what I'm seeing, he was beat badly and he knew it. 57:47

@Ladybugluv2 Жыл бұрын

@@counterstrike89 it doesnt answer the question on historically did Jesus come back to life. Justin is speaking theologically based off claims Jesus made and other people “seeing” Him. Ok cool. Bart rebuttled prior to, by saying paranormal experiences of that kind isnt uncommon, and isnt limited to Jesus.

@counterstrike89 Жыл бұрын

@@Ladybugluv2 No, he was trying to control the narrative, it is not common for the Christian religion to be as big and covering the entire world and yet that's what Jesus literally said and commanded to happen, that's not normal, that hasn't happened in any other religion, and Bart knows that, and it upset him, you could see it in his face.

@Ladybugluv2 Жыл бұрын

@@counterstrike89 literally doesnt answer the question of if his body was resurrected. And theres reasons for that…one of them being colonialism. Either forced conversion or volunteer. Half of the world at different time periods was ruled by the british (which brought Christianity to new regions) and by the Romans.

@jasonbourne3322 Жыл бұрын

This is the most disturbing comment I’ve seen. Counterstrike, u can choose to believe whatever u want. It’s already a given (to people who know what they’re doing unlike u) that the conversation should be in good faith. As everyone can see, bass has been a smugly rude throughout the discussion and worryingly didn’t recognize the irony and contradiction in his taunts. Bart wasn’t beat badly at all. The facial expression wasn’t a sign of defeat rather than frustration from exhaustion for bass to actually cooperate to a connection... that’s what the point of dialogue is. If u want to make a point about current conversions for the Christian religion... it should go without saying, but ur clearly an ignorant person, that it’s only so far. What was the dominant religion before Jesus was born stupid? Oh wait that’s the old covenant so it doesn’t matter but I can be rebellious too and believe Scientology is true in the middle of the direction for this reply.

@thomasstokes1949 Жыл бұрын

I'm a Christian and I have to say...Bart won this debate hands down. I can't help but feel like Bass didn't give the proper respect to Bart's expertise on this subject. I admire Bart's courage in willingly doing these debates, as well as not being afraid to concede points even if they help the Christian. Bart is generally an intellectually honest guy

@maurice637 Жыл бұрын

And with all you know, how are you still Christian?

@drivestick Жыл бұрын

The lesson here is, you just can't outargue a smart encyclopedia. Bart is a scholar of ALL the relevant research.

@diegog1853 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think that is a big problem in a lot of these debates and discussions I've had with christians. That the christian is not willing or able to concede any point at all that might make their religion look a little weaker. Because they run on like an axiomatic basis while the scholar runs on evidence. So the scholar is happy to say that sure, something might have happened and it is maybe a satisfactory explanation of the events, just one that lacks sufficient evidence. While I've had some christians arguing with me that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for any aspect of the bible to even be slightly wrong, or any small deviation of the historical jesus that is not supported by the christian tradition. At that point where are not having a discussion... he is just repeating to me the christian tradition and saying that it is true. Of course some atheists are sometimes guilty of the same thing and some christians are not guilty of it. But I think there is an important distinction nonetheless, given of what types of evidences are valued by the different groups.

@Terrestrial_Biological_Entity Жыл бұрын

The only problem with Bart is that he sometimes uses bad arguments like "Jesus didn't resurrected since it would violate the laws of nature."

@diegog1853 Жыл бұрын

@@Terrestrial_Biological_Entity That is not what he says. He doesn't know if jesus resurrected or not, he might have resurrected. It is just simply the case that historically one cannot establish that jesus resurrected because historians are only concerned with what most likely happened. And miracles are the most unlikely events.

@mervcharles8365 3 ай бұрын

Ive watched so many conversations and every single time believers like Justin rush to cut people off & instead of accepting a good argument they move the goalpost. They won’t even agree before bringing up a new point.

@tomcooper6108 9 ай бұрын

Bart is so methodical in his answers and research. Justin comes off as a Ben Shapiro clone....interrupting as much as possible with mindless claims. Justin gets shot down right off the bat.

@juditrotter5176 8 ай бұрын

That’s what happens when you teach so many young people all the time. Bart was very professorial and knows the reality of Jesus book writing.

@stevedaugherty2577 Жыл бұрын

When you want to know what’s true, you speak like Bart. When you’re anxious to prove what must be true, you speak like Justin.

@jackfrosterton4135 Жыл бұрын

yeah

@EricsWorlds Жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@vecumex9466 Жыл бұрын

Logic, reason and rationality have a framework that is constraint within the limits of the 30-40K years old human brain. The Christian movement historical context is the beginning of a 2000 years old tradition and one of its creeds is about 1600 years old. "The God that surpasses all understanding." Some monkeys with 30-40 thousand years old brains living on a piece of rock that spins around a star believe that they can comprehend everything there is. Having said that it was surprising to hear Mr. Erhman said that the claims of some of the witnesses are probably historical statements. Perhaps some of them were either delusional or intoxicated. I wonder why the anti-crowd do not make that case. Certainly what is really display on this presentation is the lack of intellectual philosophical skills by both participants which makes this exchange at best limited.

@JM-19-86 Жыл бұрын

Jesus is still risen from the dead, though...

@Conan.... Жыл бұрын

@@JM-19-86 Yes, correct good sir

@mattywoo Жыл бұрын

Notwithstanding things becoming somewhat contentious from time to time, Bart has the patience of a saint. Wow.

@michaelhenry1763 Жыл бұрын

I thought he was going to reach over and kill him 😮

@usep9260 Жыл бұрын

A person who only hallucinates seeing dead people will not change his character from a coward to a person who bravely faces torture and is sentenced to death. The argument that Peter, Paul and Jesus' disciples only experienced some kind of hallucination is a very weak argument and cannot be defended

@earlismarks7108 Жыл бұрын

@@usep9260 You have to really want to hear both sides my good fellow.

@Kholdaimon Жыл бұрын

@@usep9260 Why not? Hallucinations can be extremely convincing, people have jumped off buildings to escape them, they have killed because of them. Besides that, who says he was a coward before? Who says he faced torture and death sentences? Christians often claim that the eye-witnesses were persecuted and tortured and despite that they still didn't renounce their believes which proofs there sincerity. 1: There is no evidence for early Christian prosecution and there are no individuals that can be named that have been prosecuted for their believe in the resurrection of Christ. People could be convicted for not paying abeyance to the Roman Emperor, but the Romans didn't care what you believed about Jesus, Yahweh or the tooth-fairy, that is why they were so successful in maintaining a large empire. The Christian persecution that happened centuries later was due to Christians refusing to follow Roman laws. 2: The fact that they didn't renounce their believes only confirms their sincerity in believing it, not that it actually happened. There are people all over the world that truly believe they saw aliens or ghosts or that the Earth is flat or that Obama is a Lizard. That doesn't mean they are right. Hallucinations are very powerful and can lead to sincere feelings... You are making a theological argument, not an historical one. Which is exactly why Bart was getting frustrated with Justin, Justin doesn't understand the difference (or he does and he deliberately tries to confuse listeners with them).

@paulrichards6894 Жыл бұрын

@@usep9260 you do know its just a story in an old book

@PaulMinter-mh3zu 2 ай бұрын

The person needed in charge of a debate like this is someone who will bring speakers back to HISTORY, and stop theological time wasting.

@vtblda Жыл бұрын

Love to see Bart bringing the argument of the Mary appearances, because it's much more closer to us in terms of timeframe, and also because, in Fátima's case, the description of the so called miracle, seen by hundreds, is very different from person to person and some of the witnesses present at the place, saw nothing at all. One of those witnesses was my great grandmother, who was a pious woman, a very fervorous believer. She told us she was in the place and heard everybody shouting "Miracle, Miracle" looking to the sky. There was nothing to see in the sky.

@dvc1867 Жыл бұрын

He could have kept bringing that up rather than the Mormon argument. Bass hangs alot on the apparitions but doesn't believe in Marian apparitions that have the same level of credibility

@diegog1853 Жыл бұрын

@@dvc1867 The mormon argument I think was more painful for the christians, because they hate mormons lol. While with the marian apparitions the christian was willing to concede that they were worth looking into them, and if they were to be true that they would only support his arguments. I think most christians would rather concede marian apparitions 99 times out of a 100 before conceding that joseph smith is legitimate in any way

@Cmkrs34 Жыл бұрын

Fervent is the word not ferverous. Thats a word you made up. Alot of Americans seem to make up words that sound a little similiar to the correct english word. They need to read more books to acquire better vocabuary.

@vtblda Жыл бұрын

@@Cmkrs34 thank you for correcting my English. The extra lines you wrote seem to me a little hard of you on my person, especially because I am a Portuguese speaking guy, you could have figured it out in the text above and also I was careful enough to look up before writing the words and... I found the expression "fervorous believer" written in a lot of places and I copy them for you: " feelings of great warmth and intensity. synonyms: ardor, ardour, fervency, fervidness, fervour, fire. types: zeal. excessive fervor to do something or accomplish some end. type of: passion, passionateness." Anyway, thanks for the tip, and pardon me my French!

@vtblda Жыл бұрын

@@Cmkrs34 and the word is "fervorous" not "ferverous", just to make clear, I was born in the 50's, and to read real books was my life. In French, in Spanish, in English and in Portuguese. Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine was my top, and if you are curious enough you can look up and see for yourself- twelve times I've read this book - all of the 1200 pages, more or less. Enough for you?

@abelpuerta3853 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate how Bart is not only clear in his explanations but also how organized he is in his thinking. He is not flawless, of course (there are certain things that he could've explained better), but the way he addresses Bass's claims, trying to separate what topic is at dispute, and in which order, reveals that he is capable or organizing the discussion in a logical/rational manner, or at least he tries. He avoids mixing theology with history, or to mix claims that are separate but that can be perceived as one by rhetorical means. Bass, on the other hand, is not even aware of how his theology mixes arguments of different categories under the same discourse.

@anarchorepublican5954 Жыл бұрын

13:49..📘Another Ehrman Correction:...It was not "4" eyewitness...it was 3 witnesses ..who claimed they prayed, in the woods, and an angel showed them the Mormonite gold plates...these 3 never claimed to have touched them or held them...nor was Joseph Smith with them at the time.. Nor is their Testimony is not in described their own words, but a single statement mutually signed by all three.

@Arven8 Жыл бұрын

Yes, Bart did a lot of cognitive work just to keep the debate on track -- dealing with all of Bass's diversions and sidetracks, sorting the issues out clearly for the audience -- all while coping with Bass's interruptions and insulting demeanor. I admire that skill. I would've gotten angry and flustered in that situation, probably. It would've been better had Justin Brierley been more active in his moderation, but I suspect he was caught by surprise and didn't know how to intervene.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

@@Arven8 I used to avoid listening to Bart. Maybe I was being too judgemental toward him. We need to be somewhat open-minded to the views of various scholars. I'm a Christian believer. Respectfully...

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

Problem is Ehrnan conceded that the appearances did happen, but he is not able to provide a credible naturalistic explanation.

@Arven8 Жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 I've read and watched a lot of Bart's stuff. He tries to keep the lines clear between history and theology, but he's not out to attack anyone's faith. He's very respectful of people's faith. See his debate with Jimmy Akin for a good illustration of that (and Akin did a much better job than Bass, btw -- actually gave him a run for his money).

@Resenbrink Жыл бұрын

Never get tired of listening to Bart - we are lucky to have such a fair minded and knowledgeable scholar.

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

Ehrman uses the red herring fallacy throughout the debate.

@Isaac5123 Жыл бұрын

@@les2997 and what is that?

@jackfrosterton4135 Жыл бұрын

@@les2997 can you give specific eamples of this I watched and I didnt catch them

@mertalrooth01 Жыл бұрын

@Les he doesn't give answers just comments.

@stephenhanley3400 Жыл бұрын

Bart claimed people see their grannies 2 weeks after they died - how many of those died for that belief I wonder and claimed that it was a real bodily resurrection? I don't get tired of listening to Bart either, I like him, and 100% respect his knowledge and his desire for truth and I watch him as well because I like being challenged on my faith - but I don't find his arguments persuasive and one reason is what I've written above.

@michaszczucinski3609 2 ай бұрын

I don't have Bart's patience, 40 minutes in and I can't handle any more of this.

@onasis.x Жыл бұрын

Bart won this one. He was patient and continually provided sources/references for facts after facts after facts. The moderator could have done better. I learnt a lot from Bart. He simply said, "I dont know," if he didn't know which is an admirable quality to have and shows signs of a true knowledge seeker.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

Well, he didn't just "simply say I don't know." He made the point that the "evidence" of hearsay, "visions" and psychoanalysis of ancient claimants' beliefs is dismally insufficient to overcome the high improbability of a corpse reanimating 2,000 years ago.

@kidus_1010 Жыл бұрын

@@bigbrointhesky “psychoanalysis of ancient claimant’s beliefs” is exactly what Bart attempts to do to discredit gospel accounts. He literally says that the disciples were convinced they saw the resurrected Jesus and then goes on to make these ad hoc assumptions about what “must have happened” to find any sort of excuse to dismiss the supernatural and not break his naturalistic paradigm.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

@@kidus_1010 Dr. Ehrman was simply offering possibilities, all of which are vastly more probable than a reanimated corpse 2,000 years ago. This was in response to Bass expressing incredulity that they could've been mistaken, that they were predisposed to believe something different, so how could they possibly have changed their minds, etc. It was Bass that started engaging in psychoanalysis and Dr. Ehrman was responding with possibilities. What matters is, again: Hearsay and "visions" along with any mental state that the claimants may have had are dismally insufficient to override the vast improbability of a corpse reanimating in antiquity. It's not complicated.

@kidus_1010 Жыл бұрын

@@bigbrointhesky You’re doing it again. Your presuppositions of God not existing negate the possibility of the resurrection from the jump which is why you find the claim incredulous. That’s a circular argument. Bart agrees that they didn’t expect a resurrection and he agrees that they were certain they saw Jesus resurrected. Dismissing everything as hearsay because you don’t have 4K Ultra HD footage of the entire ordeal is intellectually dishonest and intentionally ignores all of the evidence for the resurrection. Including the ones that Bass pointed out continue to happen today and which you don’t see happen on a wide scale for any other religion. Bart’s “possibilities” can only be deemed more likely if you reject the possibility of the original claim from the start. You face the problem of induction and assume that a supernatural event (which you can plainly see has significantly impacted world history) just couldn’t have happened because it’s out of the ordinary. It’s not complicated.

@tibuigerard1564 Жыл бұрын

The moderator is christian. I was really surprised that he didn't do worse than that. I watch his tik toks sometimes and they are not convincing at all!!

@60SPH Жыл бұрын

I'm not a big fan of Bart Ehrman, but I praise his patience and composure in the face of many interruptions and red herrings.

@KennisRussellMusic Жыл бұрын

I was losing my patience. Lol

@Jimmy-iy9pl Жыл бұрын

Please, you must not watch a lot of Ehrman's debates. He constantly does that in his debates. This is just him getting a taste of his own medicine.

@dogsandyoga1743 Жыл бұрын

It was difficult to listen to, to actually engage, and keep composed is superhuman...

@MoNtYbOy101 Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmy-iy9pl Cmon buddy. Justin was arrogant and condescending almost frown the outset and devolved into outright mocking Bart. Why you would behave this way with such a highly respected scholar and infront of a wide audience is beyond me. I love this series but Bart deserved a better partner.

@zzzaaayyynnn Жыл бұрын

@@Jimmy-iy9pl agree, Ehrman can be unpleasantly aggressive in debates.

@laurensmith5733 Жыл бұрын

Bart clearly won this hands down. As usual fundamentalist try to argue ten different things at once conflating one argument with another. Bart tried to keep it focused on a single argument at a time but his opponent could not argue the single argument so he had to continually introduce another argument to camouflage the weakness of his original argument. It’s not worth arguing with a fundamentalist.

@kyebanman4044 Жыл бұрын

And yet Bart gave the examples of two religions that fell apart at their core. There were only three eye witnesses to Smith the fourth is Smith himself in the book he wrote. Two got kicked out of the Mormon church, and the other two left of their own free choice, all four recanted their eye witness claims of seeing that diety and Smith together at all.

@VanHalenIsolated Жыл бұрын

@@kyebanman4044lol you obviously didn’t watch the whole thing. And also, how the hell did that fall apart? It looked like Justin was dancing around in his ballerina slippers trying to prove it was only Smith when Bart shows that at least 4 to 5 people definitely “saw” the golden plates given to Joseph Smith. This was RECENT! Bart’s point here is that if people that had this written down so recently had something so ridiculously written then what about one guy, not 500, not Peter, not Mary, but Paul who wrote it down a couple of thousand years ago? Bart says he believes that Peter and Mary think they saw Jesus but as for anything, you pray to something long enough and believe in it, that something is going to start talking back and even showing up. The actual truth is that if Jesus was the son of a god, why isn’t there better evidence? What kind a-hole god allows people to go to a hell because they don’t believe in this fairy tale sounding nonsense whether it happened or not (it didn’t, the supernatural crap)? Some historical figures become deified over time and that is the case with Jesus.

@alexandruvasile4244 Жыл бұрын

@@kyebanman4044Exactly and Bart is totally wrong in arguing that apocalyptic jews did not believe in the separation of body and soul. That would mean jews did not believe in their own bible (samuel appearing to saul or the souls being in "sheol" after death. Not to mention that Paul belive in body soul dualism)

@Soviet_Saguaro Жыл бұрын

@kyebanman4044 and yet with all that being true you still cannot demonstrate your magic rabbi rose from the dead

@alexandruvasile4244 Жыл бұрын

@@Soviet_Saguaro Well it depends on ehat everyone mean by reasonable evidence. Our worldviews have impact on what we establish. I think that is not necessary to be so disrespectful about others belief and to call Jesus "magic rabbi". If you are an atheist you probably think that the historical facts about Jesus are not sufficient evidence that he was raised. I respect that. I think it is, becuase I have other standards. It so hard for us to respect one another?

@theepigram7252 3 ай бұрын

This was one of the best exposés on Christian special pleading ever.

@your_alter_ego 8 ай бұрын

It sounds like a debate between a college professor and an elementary school kid 😂

@stechriswillgil3686 8 ай бұрын

At around 47.30 Justin gets a bit creepy. Pushing and pushing and pushing the bogus argument that the phenomenal number of followers is somehow statistically significant proof of the resurrection. Theology is not a proper academic subject and Bart shouldn't waste time debating with creepy charismatics who are after parochial power.

@mrk8171 8 ай бұрын

college professor and elementary school kid high on crack

@Scot-i1p 7 ай бұрын

As a teacher, I take issue with you insulting elementary school kids. :-)

@tshegomoguni9548 7 ай бұрын

loooooool so true🤣🤣😂😂😂

@sharonmiros-schafle1878 7 ай бұрын

I’d like Satan vs humanity

@camilleespinas2898 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know how Dr Erhman kept his cool…, amazing patience !

@michaelhenry1763 Жыл бұрын

The patience of Job

@joelrolandojj Жыл бұрын

Bart Ehrman: "are you really using that as an a historic argument???" 😂😂😂😂

@truthmatter9972 Жыл бұрын

i know that was so funny

@SinghRoadwayS 3 ай бұрын

Christians blaming Justin in this debate or Dinesh Dsouza in the debate against Alex O'Conner, you should realise that it is not these people's fault, Christianity is based on crazy ideas, it is unbelievable that you have to believe in resurrection or your religion is waste as put down by Paul. When you have knowledge of religion through, anthropology, theology, science and psychology, like Alex O'Conner has, all Christian apologists will sound childish. Don't blame them blame Paul and Gospel writers. They did not do a good job.

@jimmygravitt1048 Жыл бұрын

Bart is soooo patient. I don't understand how does these debates regularly.

@MsSme123 Жыл бұрын

Bart deserve a medal for patience and calmness. That other guy needs to learn about how a conversation works. Didn’t his mother ever tell him that interrupting was rude?

@terranman4702 Жыл бұрын

Well, it's not in the bible, so he doesn't care. And talking over agnostics and atheists seem to be his bread and butter. So believers buy his shit books.

@carlosreira413 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, probably so. But if you know the background, Erhman and his arguments are not new, nor are they as good as he's able to present them. In fact, his best points are found in the footnotes of any good Bible. Honest anger and outrage is really the right response, though it scores low in debates.

@terranman4702 Жыл бұрын

@@carlosreira413 Yes, his points are obvious. Shame that believers have to ignore facts.

@carlosreira413 Жыл бұрын

@@terranman4702 Obviously wrong to those who know better. Facts are good, but they're only factual IF they're true. And truth is a much higher standard of reasoning.

@terranman4702 Жыл бұрын

@@carlosreira413 Nonsense

@clarkgriswald829 8 ай бұрын

Justin Bass thinks he is a whole lot smarter than he actually is. He cannot seperate speculation from history and Dr. Ehrman held the mirror up to that fact. As others have said, I don't know how Bart Ehrman is so patient and calm with people like this who refuse to actually be debated and just insist on yelling over any opposing viewpoint.

@DonnaMaskil 2 ай бұрын

@@clarkgriswald829 Experience!

@AkosLestar 5 ай бұрын

I like that around 1:05:20 Bart just talks to the moderator, beacouse theres no point in talking to Bass.

@MrFroodlin Жыл бұрын

Bart Erhman...patience of a saint. Justin Bass...outmatched.

@junacebedo888 Жыл бұрын

Bart was schooled in Princeton seminary. You got to be well behaved in a Christian school.

@geraldineclarke5434 11 ай бұрын

I've just discovered Bart Ehrman. I so wish he had been around when I was forced into 15 years of dreadful, misogynistic Catholic "education". Thank you so much for what you are doing, Bart. (If I believed in prayer, I'd pray for you. LOL)

@Badumtss2468 11 ай бұрын

Hmm, I have know him for years and am still a Catholic and would like to believe I am not misogynistic. What made you think Catholics are misogynistic?

@luis_sa78 11 ай бұрын

@@Badumtss2468he is not saying that YOU are, he's saying catholic education is.

@stevebeeney9022 10 ай бұрын

The scholar was patiently trying to have a rational debate w a desperate, irrational opponent. The guy in the middle failed to moderate.

@geraldineclarke5434 10 ай бұрын

@@Badumtss2468 Of course, it's definitely possible to be a Catholic and not be misogynistic but Catholicism definitely is. It all starts with the dreadful story of Adam's rib and goes on from there. Witness all the cardinals threatening schism because Pope Francis (a good guy) is trying to deal with historic misogynism in the church.

@33legion 10 ай бұрын

@@luis_sa78 How?

@stevey822 Жыл бұрын

Justin is every smug, first year pastoral student who thinks they're the smartest person in the room. He's already formed his conclusions on what Bart says before poor Bart even gets a chance to get his points across. Bart is such a patient guy but you could tell he was having a hard time maintaining his characteristic saint like patience.

@andrewmeneely9774 Жыл бұрын

BART DOESN'T DEBATE ANY GOOD APOLOGIST ...TRY GARY HABERMAS OR WILLIAM LANE CRAIG... SOME GUYS WITH BETTER SCHOLARSHIP AND DEBATE SKILLS.. THIS GUY JUST LET BART DISMANTLE HIM

@13cozzmo Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeneely9774 Good apologist is an oxymoron

@13cozzmo Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeneely9774 wait I’m rereading this, you actually think Bart wouldn’t wipe the floor with Craig? Craig still thinks the cosmological argument is good……

@arthurzetes Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmeneely9774he debated mike Licona.

@sean_nel Жыл бұрын

In fact he has debated Craig. It went similarly to this one.

@pocojoyo 5 ай бұрын

29:15 I follow Bart in his interesting distinction between the concept of a the soul in apocalyptic Judaism vs Christianity. If we accept that for apocalyptic Jews Jesus resurrected and showed up in flesh THEN where did he go ? Did apocalyptic Jews believed in a heaven where you ascend with your body?

@BigDaddyMan83 Жыл бұрын

Stayed up way too late watching this! I love Bart's ability to make me really examine what I believe and why. His logical and formulated approach crushes Bass.

@vejeke Жыл бұрын

If you are a theist and you want to have a really nice conversation with an atheist, a conversation that you would enjoy, I suggest @Pinecreek.

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

Ehrman uses the red herring fallacy throughout the debate.

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

If you change the focus of the discussion the way Ehrman changed it, then you commit the red herring fallacy. Ehrman conceded that at at least 4 people (James, Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene) had Jesus post-mortem visions. Once you conceded these historical facts, you need to explain these visions instead of talking about Mormons. Many more people had Jesus visions, but this is what Ehrman conceded to. Ehrman said that Paul was "guilt driven" when he converted. Where is the historical evidence backing up this claim? Thee is none.  Did Ehrman explain James’ conversion? Nope, he didn’t even try.  Ehrman fooled you!

@BigDaddyMan83 Жыл бұрын

@@les2997 In 1 Corinthians 15:9 Paul said, "For I am the least of the apostles, not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." This to me makes him sound like he felt guilty.

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

@@BigDaddyMan83 This was after the conversion, of course. Ehrman misled you.

@williamdarbe7801 Жыл бұрын

I believe that Dr Erhman's arguments are the most convincing and best put fprward in a respectful and erudite, open-minded manner. Thank you gentleman for a interesting discussion.

@racecartestpilot167 Жыл бұрын

Bart is fantastic...stays on point! Justin was all over the place, every time his arguments failed.

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

The man to our left wants black and white answers, but that is not how things work, specially when the debates or arguments obviously can not be answered with a yes or a no: reason and knowledge dictates these debates and so there must be bases for every turn of rationalization to conclude, the projections backed up by the whatsoever evidence. This must be handled as a serious courtroom case being discussed, no shortcuts, no simple yes and no simple no.

@kevinsamaroo6175 3 ай бұрын

Where 10:58 was Jesus from age 12-33, the missing years not told in the Bible?

@MattT-P 9 ай бұрын

Listening to this Bass guy, would turn the most devout Christian to question their prior beliefs. He's a great advocate for stopping talking about this mad crusade.

@lennysmith8851 Жыл бұрын

Justin Bass is a New Testament “Scholar” and professor and teaches this exact subject to hundreds of people a year. Let that sink in as you watch this 👀👀👀👀👀👀

@misscameroon8062 Жыл бұрын

AND KEEP AWAY FROM HIM;he`s a danger to your souls...

@psibert 8 ай бұрын

@@misscameroon8062what soul?

@stenergut9661 6 ай бұрын

what do you think they teach at all those charter schools and christian universities?

@jacqued6791 2 ай бұрын

wow! If that be the case how embarrassing!

@josephpotter7776 3 күн бұрын

Rather go to Doc Barts class

@jcs56 Жыл бұрын

Bart's brain is very calm and logical. Emotions don't get the best of him so he can follow a thought to the end. Debaters and preachers have a hard time having a long form conversation.

@thegospelcallTGC 3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for having this conversation Bart Ehrman is certainly a very interesting character to listen to and I will say he presents a decent case for the skeptic but I will say that Justin Bass is not even using arguments that even I know are much better than the ones he has been using. But in the end I think all people need to show respect to both of them whether their arguments are bad or good we need to listen to both of them and they need to listen to each other God bless you and can't wait to watch more

@MrSalem70ca Жыл бұрын

Justin’s approach must have been embarrassing after he rewatched this debate. I admire Barts patience. I couldn’t handle a person like this. If this is what a Christian is I will pass. He doesn’t realize he damaged his own cause.

@markofsaltburn Жыл бұрын

He probably thinks he won.

@garysanford645 Жыл бұрын

I doubt Bass would be embarrassed. He's interminably lost in confirmation bias, the frontispiece of Christianity.

@kevinmcdonald951 Жыл бұрын

Guy is a troll.

@nosuchthing8 Жыл бұрын

Well said. People that are dishonorable don't win points.

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

@mayito9100 11 ай бұрын

The greatest challenge of this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you are right, but not knowing enough about the subject to know you are wrong…

@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw 10 ай бұрын

14:03 I 😁 😍 loved Prof Ehrman's statement about appearances in other religious traditions eg Muslim, Mormon, Greek, Roman etc Which reminds me of how once the Norse god of thunder Thor decided to leave Valhalla for a long weekend on Earth. As you do. So he's walking along the banks of a fjord when he meets a beautiful Viking blonde maiden who he picks up, being in human form a handsome Norseman. They spend several days in a fjord side hut 🛖 making nonstop passionate love. Finally he decides he has to get back to Valhalla, but before he goes, he'll tell the girl how honoured she was, making love to a god. So he turns towards her and says : By the way, I'm Thor. And she says : Tho am I, but I'm thatithfied.

@j.a420 9 ай бұрын

@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gwwell done 😂

@angellkiller9773 9 ай бұрын

Very true I am a polymath and can support that. On the second part about knowing enough to know you were wrong. I like to substitute for most people accepting when you are wrong. The conversation behind the conversation the 9 out of 10 of the people who debate things like even these two guys the one who is in more knowledge is paying attention to the other person while the other person is thinking more on their rebuttal in their head then listening to what the other person is saying. So the person not listening is like a kayaker rowing backwards on a river.

@highroller-jq3ix 8 ай бұрын

Are you sure it isn't getting enough to eat and decent health care?

@jcbarker1 8 ай бұрын

Dunning-Kruger effect. Bass is an example of it here.

@Potaters12 10 ай бұрын

I was dying laughing watching Bart's face as Justin was making his argument that because the gospels end with a call to action to spread its message to the ends of the earth, and that coming true, is somehow good admissible evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. The fact that he kept persisting with it and refused to acknowledge the many fallacies in his line of argumentation was both frustrating and hilarious.

@albino_penguin2268 7 ай бұрын

Justin: The prediction of the gospel spreading has come true, and this proves the authority of the predictor. Bart: But it hasnt spread everywhere yet. Justin: But it will. ... ...

@franklinbross2602 6 ай бұрын

Who care ? God will sort it out in the end . I wouldn't would want to be in the non Christian position in any way What's going on here has no bearing on the salvation of the lost here. To them it's only a discussion of no real importance except to debate the topic . It's almost like watch a golf match on TV

@franklinbross2602 6 ай бұрын

Bart may have actually expressed more evidence. on the topic than Justin. But boring. Neither stayed on topic much. I I would have had to get up and walked of this waste of valuable time . Sorry

@michhedeberg 24 күн бұрын

@@franklinbross2602 why do you type like that lol

@Aws1962 3 ай бұрын

@ 12:20 Justin Bass rejecting the Islamic prospective because Muhammad was just one witness claiming such thing and we need atleast two witnesses according to Deuteronomy (Mosaic law) The book revealation is based on the vision of the author. How many ppl witnesses to his vision? How many people witnessed Paul's vision of Jesus on the way to Damascus? Where are the statements of those who accompanied Paul? How many ppl evident to the event where Moses spoke to God? The author Gospel John says that Mary Magdelene went the tomb and saw Jesus and spoke to him.. Why did the author write her statement in his book since she alone was there? List can go on. These Paulians always want to have their cake and eat it too.

@GldnClaw 2 ай бұрын

What surprises me is how many Christians disregard the witnesses for the Book of Mormon out of hand. How can people be so dismissive of something so vouchsafed?

@rafalpruszynski1707 Жыл бұрын

If Bass lies to Ehrman's face about what Ehrman just said can you imagine how he lies about people in his books who aren't there to defend themselves?

@billy.a3762 Жыл бұрын

that's a really good poin

@eurech Жыл бұрын

You can't be a theologian without lying and being dishonest.

@TheIkaruskid Жыл бұрын

Solid win for Bart on this one. I appreciate the quality of the conversation and how much I learned. I hope Bass will take some humility away from this experience.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

Not likely. Smug apologists are impervious to reason or humility.

@ankur7773 Жыл бұрын

*QURAN TOTALLY JUNK BOOK 📖🚮*

@bpsiloam Жыл бұрын

@41:00 that was so well put by Ehrman. I can't believe this wasn't moderated better, Justin wouldn't let him get a full sentence out. Bart easily wins this debate, purely on the basis of respect towards his opponent.

@bigbrointhesky Жыл бұрын

And on substance also. Bass simply imploded.

@elguapochango 6 ай бұрын

Where do you see the results of the survey?

@ThatsNotMyWife Жыл бұрын

Who else laughed outright when Bass brought up humility?

@bonvivant5251 Жыл бұрын

ive been laughing the whole debate,,lol,,Bass is just a presuppositionalist without facts,,but theres millions of them

@markuse3472 Жыл бұрын

@@bonvivant5251 The man to our left wants black and white answers, but that is not how things work, specially when the debates or arguments obviously can not be answered with a yes or a no: reason and knowledge dictates these debates and so there must be bases for every turn of rationalization to conclude, the projections backed up by the whatsoever evidence. This must be handled as a serious courtroom case being discussed, no shortcuts, no simple yes and no simple no.

@JesusRodeADino Жыл бұрын

@@markuse3472 Dr. Ehrman never wanted "yes or no answers." He simply wanted to know where the purported historical "evidence" was that would be of sufficient quality to overturn the high improbability of a reanimated corpse in antiquity. Bass was huffing and puffing, got increasingly flustered, and sadly, imploded.

@bonvivant5251 Жыл бұрын

@@markuse3472 Erhmans point i think was Bass was claiming the resurrection was historical,,and thats based on a claim of faith,,there is no evidence the resurrection happened ,,,we know humans after being dead 3 days do not live again,,

@toddcrosby2783 Жыл бұрын

Justin is another example of the Dunning Kruger effect driving motivated reasoning off the most sophomoric type. Perfect example of being able to be educated in a topic to the exclusion of information central to the topic.

@veranochick 11 ай бұрын

What about Bart? Bart is a lot of blah blah He talks about the Laws of physics and the Laws of mathematics. Pure blah blah Newtonian physics? Which laws of mathematics? In mathematics we BElLIEVE that two points determine a Line. We believe the line extends both directions into INFINITY. This means the line keeps extending beyond the universe By the way, physics cannot prove the universe is infinite. We have no idea how far this universe goes. The theory of Big bang is a Theory based in many models as well Hubble data. Does the straight line break the laws of physics? Mathematics is based on BELIEFS and assumptions that only exist in our head, God is the same. As a Christian, Ehrman has not proven historically that Jesus resurrection never happened, Ehrman never used facts by the way, I chose to Believe, by Faith, that Jesus resurrected. Faith is not logical. I don’t need a logical explanation for it I took calculus in university- I learned the basics of infinity. I had to believe in infinity- Otherwise I would’ve failed the course. 😂. I got an A. And Jesus is my Lord. I don’t need to rationalize everything.

@misscameroon8062 11 ай бұрын

and another point ,if Bass is a scholar then I am a pope !

@hiddyboy101 11 ай бұрын

Brilliant analysis...

@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw 10 ай бұрын

Miss Cameroon Yes, Your Holiness. 😂🤣😅😇😇

@misscameroon8062 10 ай бұрын

@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw down on your knees sinful worm

@dimoayoub7165 Жыл бұрын

whether you’re a christian or not, it is clear that Bart has good arguments and he makes very strong points for his views.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

I used to avoid listening to Bart but I'm starting to think that he may indeed have some good arguments. Maybe I was being too judgemental toward Bart. Anyhow I'm a Christian believer and I believe in the foundational beliefs of Christianity regarding Jesus Christ. But I'm somewhat open-minded to learn from various scholars because it seems like the more I learn, the less I know ! Thanks for your comments. Peace to you.

@Timrath Жыл бұрын

His arguments are sound, but he's presenting them in a very poor way. Conversely, Justin has lousy arguments, but he's very eloquent and confident. The fundamental difference between the two, is that Bart is trying to teach Justin, whereas Justin is merely trying to win the debate.

@johnbrzykcy3076 Жыл бұрын

@@Timrath Sometimes I don't even like arguments. I prefer discussions but can we have a discussion without arguments? Probably not. Yet... This is a very important subject regarding Jesus' resurrection ( at least for me). If Jesus did not rise from the dead, it negates the foundational aspects of Christianity. That's how I look at it. Because unlike other religions, Christianity is based on a particular belief regarding the divinity and love of God as shown through Jesus the Son of God. Respectfully...

@VaughanMcCue Жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 The JC myth is only significant for some people's imagination. To help you see a different position and consider other types of belief. Do you think someone rode a unicorn into heaven? How often have you contemplated the possible age of the 72 virgins in heaven, which may be octogenarian nuns?

@les2997 Жыл бұрын

Ehrhman had no good arguments, but he is really good at flooding the discussion with interesting but irrelevant points.

@siyamchunu 6 ай бұрын

The logic here. The circular reference evidence is mind blowing.

@kraniodesign4555 Жыл бұрын

as an exmormon, I just love that mormonism is used as an example of the absurd for both theists and atheists alike 😂

@axismundi2142 Жыл бұрын

Self-deprecation gets riiiiizpect

@WeavyBoo Жыл бұрын

@@axismundi2142 Christianity and Mormonism are so incredibly different on even the most basic fundamental of beliefs. That's why Christians will jump in on clowning it. Would an atheist be self-deprecating for clowning on Jesus mythicists?

@jdnlaw1974 Жыл бұрын

Mormonism is God’s way of getting the Christians back for what they did to the Jews. 😂

@blondequijote Жыл бұрын

@@jdnlaw1974 And Tadaism is Good Wizard’s magical new religion making old religions disappear

@emmanuel8310 Жыл бұрын

@@jdnlaw1974 Nah. If you know enough about what they all believe, you'll know that that's basically a stupid comparison that sounds intelligent to the unlearned.

@ibotah Жыл бұрын

Bart bringing up Mary really solidified the emptiness (in my humble opinion, but I am just a stranger!) of Justin's argument. Bart did a great job here and as a former evangelical I could tell where Justin was going with pretty much every thought and process.

@ibotah Жыл бұрын

@@LiyasLove Great points!

@somexp12 Жыл бұрын

Coming out of Catholicism, that community has a gazillion similar examples. Stories, often well attested ones, of the supernatural and preternatural are quite common place. Marian apparitions are only some more well known examples. No one who spent significant time in that community should be at all impressed by the level of evidence for the resurrection.

@kimkingsun7315 11 ай бұрын

Justin Bass should run for politics. Don't let your opponent answer a question and move the goal posts when they try to answer

@Raydensheraj 8 ай бұрын

I'm sure he is a neo Confederate Christian nationalist RINO Trumplican....

@ggnbista7756 3 ай бұрын

Interesting and enlightening, thanx-from Nepal, the young aruges just like my son, rising voice proves his point

@thesolarengineer Жыл бұрын

Well, now I believe in Saints because of Bart's patience....holy cow.

@ankur7773 Жыл бұрын

*QURAN COPY PASTE FAKE BOOK SIMPLE*

@theresadelaney3255 9 ай бұрын

I tried to watch this a second time but still can't stand listening to Justin Bass talk in circles. Dr ehrman wins hands down.

@ggcctv9575 7 ай бұрын

Agreed - bass is a buffoon- was he drunk? He was all over the place with such weak, laughable middle school points - sad .Well done Bart

@Holydewy Жыл бұрын

I appreciate Prof. Ehrman's appearance in this debate. Only a few scholars may undertake this endeavor. Pursuing truth and sharing it with others are not easy in the face of rejection and resistance or any potential backlash at the expense of telling the historical evidences.

@marvinberry295 Жыл бұрын

@historicpassionate2908 2 ай бұрын

Iam a Hindu from India actually I got confused who Christ is. Since Hinduism has seen many yogis with the powers which Jesus exhibited . So I can accept him as a saint, Yogi like but while reading Dr.Barts book , I got thrilled with the points which he is saying in his books. Coming to dreams I too had a dream in which I was standing in debris of a place looks like some historical temple, at that time a man who was followed by multiple persons looks like his followers and the Man came near to me and said he is Jesus and just placed his arm over my shoulders and we started to walk nearby and he was talking with me. With this I suddenly raised from sleep. I don’t know whether it’s my brain which is creating this or truly is a divine blessings ?

@GldnClaw 2 ай бұрын

I have found that the Lord speaks to us in ways that are very tailored to our own understanding. I'm under the impression to tell you that if you were to read the book of Mormon, more aspects of that dream will ring true for you.

@historicpassionate2908 2 ай бұрын

@@GldnClaw Thanks for your guidance. Is that book Mormon a part of Bible?

@CoolPixie 2 ай бұрын

@@historicpassionate2908not really. In general, the Bible is made up of 4 books. Book of Mormon came after the New Testament. Also there are many versions of the new testament followed by different denominations of the Christian faith. Honestly, I’m not aware of which denomination is most dominant in India. But I’m sure you can find out more by researching the internet. I am not Christian but I have been trying to understand the Abrahamic religions recently.

@historicpassionate2908 2 ай бұрын

@@CoolPixie Thanks a lot. Will check about this book

@bluecafe509 Ай бұрын

@@historicpassionate2908 He's trying to convert you to his particular religion. It is not a widely accepted religion and is often frowned upon (several times even in this video). I advise you to research Mormonism before jumping into their book.