Unboxing and Using the New Steam Controller

[@shreksnow1918]

I saw someone else saying that this thing most likely exists to help Valve grow the presence of Steam in Japan. A lot of games work with an Xbox controller, and since Xbox’s presence is basically nonexistent in Japan they decided to work with a local company to make a controller that functions like an Xbox one. The guy was also saying a lot of the same things you did where that company’s controllers aren’t outright bad, but they aren’t good either. They’re in the awkward middle ground where they’re functional, but feel cheap. He was also saying that this isn’t an indication of Valve making a Steam Machine 2 or a new incarnation of their weird controller (I remember having that contorller. Not sure if we still have it. I think the thing might not have worked, so we got rid of it. I’ve heard the people who like that controller really like it). If they were to dip their toes back into the console market they’d most likely make a controller that’s basically a more compact version of the Steam Deck’s controls.

[@LandenL]

I agree. Seems like Valves entry to the Japanese market. And the Japanese economy isn't the greatest, so that is why the controller is "cheap" relatively speaking. It is also worth noting that this controller seems like a slight redesign of Hori's existing Xbox controllers. They seems to have licensed controllers for a few companies.

[@KevsOutside]

As someone who is currently living in japan Xbox is definitely relevant in japan..

[@Franchise9920]

Exactly the reason. This is actually A Nintendo switch controller that has just been made into a steam deck with back buttons and capacitive touch sticks. That's why there is a lack of travel for the triggers. I was really hoping that valve would make one by now with four rear paddles full gyroscopics and haptic feedback. Maybe soon

[@yoshi555king]

Hori is just a Japanese brand like Trust is to The Netherlands

[@Jaxv3r]

​@@LandenLthe only thing that Valve needs to cool off is Visual Novel censoreships

[@TheAbsol7448]

I really hope Valve will make a proper Steam Controller 2. A controller with all of the Steam Deck's functionality would be so nice to have.

[@TheBSishere]

Never going to happen.

[@TheRibbonRed]

​@@TheBSishere who hurt you?

[@CrocoDylianVT]

​​@@TheRibbonRedit can't happen because a standard controller form factor doesn't have enough free real state to fit all of the Steam Deck's features, that's why the Deck is so big and chonky, if you open one you'll see the actual board of the device itself is surprisingly small, all of the Steam Deck's size is just to fit the controller features The most amount of features would be like the first Steam Controller or the Dual Sense

[@TheRibbonRed]

@@CrocoDylianVT if you saw the Steam Controller 2 patent that Valve made before they're sued by Scuf, you'd know that it's actually possible. The only reason they can't make Steam Controller 2 is because of Scuf. Scuf played "the little guy" & patent-trolled the first Steam Controller, all thanks to the beloved back grips. Every other company that has those grips has to pay royalty to Scuf, and Valve didn't want to pay. The judge of the case ate Scuf's accusations right up, ignoring that Scuf was patent-trolling & they overcharge their controllers by 2~3 times the MSRP.

[@playlist5455]

​@CrocoDylianVT is the WiiU controller not known by you. It's got lots of space and very comfortable.

[@jestfulcompany9589]

They were selling Steam controllers for $5 a piece in 2019? Bro I should have bought 3

[@LandenL]

yeah, it was a firesale.

[@arkhamslayer7265]

Yeah I almost didn't get mine. Traded it away because I wasn't a fan of the track pad/no second analog stick. Someone in these comments said "Screenless steamdeck controller" and that's pretty much what I'm waiting for. I don't have a steam deck but I imagine it's gotta suck if you wanted all the inbuilt controller features while playing it docked. You'd pretty much have to play in some tethered setup holding the Deck while have the usb-c cord connected to the monitor (most monitors I heard take usb-c for video, power and even extended ports since they have those too). And that's not even mentioning you wanted all those features but don't care for the Deck itself.

[@MazTheMeh16]

The lack of 2nd joystick is such a pain

[@mgjfile]

Wtf, right? Where was I? Under a rock?

[@axelprino]

That sale was only available in a few select countries, I know because I read about it at the time and when I checked they were only shipping to a few places.

[@doorlesswings9356]

Im sorry valve / Hori, but this being referred to with the title of Steam controller feels like an insult to my beloved steam controllers and steam deck controls.

[@NinjaAnonim]

bring back steam controllers or make V2. I still have OG one and yea you wont play all games on that but man it was a fine piece of art and pretty universal

[@malucart]

The actual name is "Wireless Horipad for Steam"

[@KORNdog1986]

I wish Valve (or anyone) would just make a screenless steam deck and sell it as a controller. 4 back buttons. Gyro. 2 track pads. Touch sensitive analogue stick. I want my steam deck > full screen experience be that seamless.

[@LandenL]

I also hope they make a Steam Controller 2. The problem is Valve developer's only work on what interests them. I assume they are already busy with the Steam Deck and standalone VR headset.

[@doorlesswings9356]

Don't forget the dual stage triggers

[@bland9876]

A Steam Deck wothout a screwn sounds like a bad idea. Even if it comes with an unreal air or other glasses so you still see your game idk who would want it?

[@akmaledanish17]

Screenless steam deck as a controller does sounds like a great product

[@KORNdog1986]

@@bland9876 it's a controller. It wouldn't have the SOC or anything that was capable of playing games. It would just be the controller portion of a steam deck released as a steam controller to go alongside the steam deck.

[@Moskeeto]

Thanks for being the first to feature this controller! One thing that's a big selling point for me is actually the touch capacitive sticks for gyro activation. That's how I typically play on the Steam Deck and I miss that feature when using a DualSense. It would be cool to see how well that functions here.

[@LandenL]

I totally forgot about the touch sensitivity 🫢. I just made a KZbin short for it: kzbin.infoQK1zo2l6LV4?si=p4e9h7Ar-aXV8k8n TLDR: touch sensitivity works fine. Gyro feels ok but slightly laggy?

[@Silverjerk]

I missed this at first, but realized I would mostly use it alongside an additional button anyway. Like aiming down sights, or when aiming a bow, etc. So I just adjusted to make sure it activates with this button and it does roughly the same thing. I also found the capacitive touch somewhat unreliable at times, even on the Steam Deck. I would often activate it accidentally, so I actually prefer my own method instead.

[@Apneaa]

If you use gyro you dont want very heavy controllers usually. As for the gyro showoff, the setting you used is not ideal, you really wanna use as mouse or to mouse in order to get a good idea. I hope the gyro issues are due to set up and not hardware because if it's just a meh controller with meh button feedback and meh gyro sensors, it's somewhat of a slap to the legacy of the og steam controller.

[@LandenL]

Wanting a light controller for gyro is a good point. I didn't think of that. It's hard to tell in the video, but the gyro feels like it is moving in small increments instead of a smooth movement. In programming terms, it feels like the gyro is using integers instead of floats. Idk if this is a bug or is unfixable. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

​@LandenL yeah, you definitely want mouse gyro. Joystick input for gyro is often pretty bad. Setting vertical sensitivity lower, and resting it on your lap or a desk is pretty important for steady gyro. There are many ways to skin a cat though. Some people also have success with acceleration. Gyro is promising, but there is no gold standard quite yet. I have been playing with gyro quite a bit lately. Flickstick videos has some guides.

[@ypaut]

@@LandenL I exactly feel what you're describing, and it's definetely a setup issue (the gyro is almost never good by default in my experience, and I own both the Steam Deck and first Steam Controller)

[@CML21]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, without any sugar-coating. Appreciate it!

[@cloudycolacorp]

Hori controllers always seem to be missing so many features, like switch controllers with no gyro or wireless. It feels like they're stuck in the past and getting left behind by other controller makers. Everyone else has moved on to making more premium stuff and they're still stuck in that third party ps2 controller mindset

[@LandenL]

Switch controllers without gyro sound horrible lmao. It's sad because I almost like the controller, it just fails in some key areas. Probably the trigger buttons are the most disappointing.

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

Apparently the missing gyro is Nintendo's fault, they don't want others to include it so any official third party controller doesn't have it for legal reasons. That's why you only see it in non official controllers.

[@cloudycolacorp]

@@GoldenLeafsMovies Huh, that would explain why unlicensed controllers are so much better lol

[@jameskiker4128]

Look at the horipad mini

[@LandenL]

Oh Nintendo

[@KarimJovian]

Can you map the back grip buttons to anything?

[@Moskeeto]

Yes

[@LandenL]

Yes, you can remap everything in Steam input.

[@Gummelgimp]

We must stop call this "steam controller" it is just an controller licenced by steam or controller for steam

[@LandenL]

I would agree, but the fact that Valve doesn't sell a first party controller makes this the current standard for a "Steam Controller". Unless they bring back the original.

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

So it's a steam controller 😂

[@fahmiriyadi3468]

it's a steam controller then

[@Gummelgimp]

@@LandenL don't sell it anymore Dosent mean there is no real steam controller...

[@sgtquencher1002]

@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 No. It's not. You can use a PS5 Dualsense controller with Steam. Does that make it a "Steam Controller"? No. It's a controller compatible with Steam but it's certainly not a Steam Controller. The Steam Controller had 2 defining touchpads that made it different from anyone else and it was made by Valve.

[@jpa3974]

Hori is great for anyone looking for simple controllers for retro games. Their dpads tend to be functional and accurate, which is a rarity these days. They also make some good dedicated fighting game controllers. Their more modern stuff is generally of lower quality (but still better than controllers from Chinese companies).

[@RonOverdrive]

Honestly the reason for the lack of rumble is probably due to the lack of touchpads. The Steam Deck doesn't have dedicated rumble motors per say as they have haptic feed back in the touch pads that they hacked into rumble motors by cranking the feedback up.

[@LandenL]

The Steam Deck haptic feedback is pretty weak. I hope they bump it up to rumble in the Steam Deck 2.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

0:50 Yeah, it's called the Steam Controller, and it's literally what the Steam Deck's controls were based on. It came out over a decade ago.

[@hahasamian8010]

The Steam Controller's fatal flaw is that it replaces parts of a standard controller instead of adding to them. I use the trackpad on Deck as a mouse because with PC gaming you never know how often you'll need a mouse. Doesn't mean I want to be using it for camera movement all the time, especially with awful feeling right stick emulation... and it especially doesn't mean I want no good D-pad for 2D games on my controller. These are things the Deck's revised design actually considered; instead of replacing parts, they added, and it's actually way more usable even as a handheld PC as a result...! You have so many buttons you can map to all kinds of common keys, really making it your own.

[@Mennenth]

A ds4/dualsense with back button attachment would be superior in every situation you could want this for.

[@LandenL]

I think I agree. It's disappointing because this is the first officially licensed controller from what I can tell.

[@severinevans346]

Not really since this thing supports Steam input natively. Including the gyro functionality which doesn't have to be setup under PlayStation controller support settings on Steam. It works right out of the box natively with Steam input including the guide button on it which doesn't work for Xbox/PlayStation controllers unless you set it up to work that way.

[@Mennenth]

@@severinevans346 thanks for reminding me how silly the median gamer is. The steam horipad has an xinput mode. You have to pair it to your pc in the steam mode for it to be supported in steam natively. Want to know how much effort it takes to get a playstation controller working in steam? One setting. Thats it. And it works. The whole needing to configure the gyro thing happens for basically every controller, because devs chose default templates that rarely have the gyro configured. Dont be fooled by the branding; both the horipad and a playstation controller take some effort to get fully functioning. Only, the playstation controller has objectively more functionality (trackpad) and likely a better gyro.

[@severinevans346]

@@Mennenth I think they are both six axis gyro so I don't think it's better it's the same. And when I say native input I mean no configuration whatsoever it works right out of the box including the back triggers which you have to pay a lot more for if you buy a third party pack to do it on dualsense or DS4 controllers. I don't know what you mean by median gamer but if you are claiming some kind of superiority that's extremely narcissistic. Also dualsense and dualshock 4 neither have touch capacitive analogue sticks either but the Hori pad does. They also weigh more which isn't good for using gyro over long periods. I don't care how simple it is you can't get more simple than out of the box native support.

[@Mennenth]

@@severinevans346 > I think they are both six axis gyro so I don't think it's better it's the same. Please tell me you dont genuinely think all imu's have the same performance characteristics... I'm not gonna respond to the rest. We'd just be talking in circles past each other.

[@invisiiso]

12:23 Hmm... I had that same issue with the gyro of the Dualshock 4 when connected via Bluetooth. Maybe try with a wired connection?

[@LandenL]

If you use a cable the gyro works perfectly

[@ElderKai555]

Looks like another cheap generic 3rd party controller with a valve logo slapped on

[@bland9876]

Someone found the original Switch controller this is based off of.

[@Bos_Meong]

​@@bland9876whats the name?

[@BukuTerrbang764]

​​@@Bos_MeongHoripad+ for switch.... I think edit : 1:34 it's also Hori brand

[@scottcaramel]

…another?

[@breadsnake4960]

I do have to say hori is mostly meant to be a budget friendly controller brand, they're very popular for the switch since the official joycons cost an arm and a leg and get drift really quickly and for the most part they're decent enough

[@grayhowls]

HOW did you get two of these???? They're not out for another month!

[@LandenL]

I think they were released like a month early in Japan? I got these from here: horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/

[@EclipseCat]

i got a steam controller when it was on fire sale. oml one of the best controllers ive ever used, and ive used just about everything short of those "pro"/"elite" 200usd controllers. i really hope that valve brings back their amazing controller.

[@LandenL]

I was able to snag one too. Never used it though. Probably worth more in box. But I always wanted to try it.

[@Ivan-up7ny]

Is Hori's aftersales service good? What I care about is the spare parts if something breaks.

[@LandenL]

idk sry. This is my first product from them.

[@Ubeogesh]

13:29 I always have this problem with gyro on steam deck (without external controller). The gyro sometimes just stops working. I think this is an issue with Steam software, not the controller. I usually go to settings and un-bind and re-bind the gyro activation to fix it.

[@LandenL]

I had to do that a few times when recording. It's really annoying.

[@itsAldwin]

Hello was this online only? The day before I flew back to the US from Japan I visited Yamada Denki LABI right across the Tokyo Station and visited all the floors for this controller and they didn’t have it. You think I should have gone to Akihabara again to see if they had it in stock?

[@LandenL]

This was released on the 28th and arrived by mail the same day to me.

[@itsAldwin]

@@LandenL ah I must have missed it then, I was in that store on the 27th. Thanks!

[@Jason-wr1jc]

If you want to try out the gyro with baseline settings that should feel pretty good, use Gyro to mouse [beta] with these settings: Set your gyro activate button to what you like Gyro speed deadzone turn off Gyro precision speed, turn off Vertical/horizontal output mixer set to -25% Acceleration linear 3DOF to 2D conversion set to Local Everything else can be set as default and you can adjust your sensitivity to what feels best. It is unlikely to fix the stuttering as I think that is likely a Bluetooth issue, so try wired and see if it fixes it. But these settings will be a good starting point and much better than what you're currently using. An updated video using wired with these settings would be appreciated by the gyro community if you feel like it/have the time. Also if you could weigh the controller, I actually take out the battery and rumble from my controllers to make them lighter :)

[@LandenL]

I will put this on my to-do list

[@fudgepuppy91]

Echoing this. Gyro to mouse is way smoother compared to gyro as mouse. Gyro as mouth has the stuttering and lag that you described in the video.

[@Tylerannosaurus-X]

Hori is basically the mad cats of Japan, but not as bad.

[@LandenL]

mad cats definitely looks like... a brand...

[@soplam9555]

hows the dpad is it sensitive if a direction is press to make it do diagonals by accident ? A lot of controllers does it and its really anoying in fightings games and games that allow you to use the dpad for a function like healing.

[@LandenL]

I don't think I had any problems with dpad mis-input. It did regular dpad and diagonal presses no problem.

[@soplam9555]

@@LandenL ok thx

[@jameskiker4128]

Hori made the best n64 controller called the hori pad mini with 2 triggers 2 bumpers and gamecube style stick with good range that was higher than og controller

[@chappadodle]

Nice framework laptop!

[@LandenL]

Thanks gamer 🫡

[@maikerugo]

10:25 From my understanding that's the case. The OLED Deck can wake on Bluetooth while the LCD models cannot due to the Bluetooth hardware on the LCD models just not supporting it as a feature. As for the weight, it's definitely the lack of rumble since the Sixaxis was just unusually light while the Dual Shock 3 was actually the expected weight-the Sixaxis did seem to have reasonable battery life regardless of lack of weight, so it may not be a good indicator of battery size. That said Hori does make good fight sticks, but they've made some odd design decisions with their gamepads. For example their Switch left JoyCon that has an actual D-pad instead of the 4 buttons seems like it'd be an obvious upgrade, but it lacks an onboard battery, rumble, and gyro. It's not necessarily a deal-breaker, but really it makes the audience who would likely purchase it much smaller.

[@LandenL]

I'm really bummed out about wake-on-bluetooth being OLED only. But can't justify the upgrade atm. I just posted another video talking more about the controllers. Another commenter mentioned that lightweight is a good quality for gyro gamers, so I think the reduced weight is more reasonable. My two biggest problems now is the fact that the gyro works best when plugged in, and the trigger button travel distance is really short. Also, a joycon without a battery, gyro, and rumble does sound really bad lol. What were they thinking?

[@maikerugo]

@@LandenL Hori is better known for their fight sticks and it kind of shows. When you take a look at the design decisions put into them versus their gamepads the fight sticks are often more sensibly designed. Some of their fight sticks have included a track pad and extra buttons on the side of the stick's case for compatibility with the PS4, but they completely omitted a track pad of any kind from the controller aimed people using Steam when it's been a feature of Steam hardware as another way play games that normally use a mouse (gyro is good for aiming in FPS/TPS titles, but a track pad is a better fit for mouse input in games that use a cursor).

[@maessof91]

Button placing seems better with a button right below and above the right joy stick and extra button at the back, Seems very useful for deadlock when that gets controller support, also the gyroscope for gyro aim.

[@LandenL]

DeadLock controller gaming sounds fun. I just posted a video where I tried playing DeadLock with this controller. Unfortunately, the Steam Deck is unable to play matchmaking :( They literally block it lol. But to be fair, controller support is literally broken in DeadLock atm.

[@maessof91]

@@LandenL 😔They block steam deck . amazing 😂. I currently use a controller plus mmo style mouse to play rather than keyboard plus mouse. Have a autoimmune arthritis thing , fingers get stiff playing game on the keyboard but are fine with a controller. I do think one of the reasons they created deadlock was for it to be friendly to controllers, compared to dota which they tried to make a controller for but failed.

[@HappyWheelFan2013]

I'm surprised. Hori, albeit cheap, usually makes pretty killer peripherals. I love my joy con handles a ton, even if I don't play my switch pretty much ever 🤣

[@paulink]

did you test gyro via 2.4? there's a reason why they include these dongles, lower latency.

[@LandenL]

I had trouble pairing with the dongle, but I think that was user error. I swear that the manual mentioned using regular Bluetooth in 'steam mode', but maybe I mistranslated the manual.

[@ErdrickHero]

I loved the original Steam Controller. It will never replace a PlayStation controller for console games, but for native PC games without built-in controller support, the Steam Controller is hands-dowm the best option.

[@LandenL]

OG Steam controller 2 when

[@alienlodejavu9504]

what was that controller on your desk grey color one?

[@LandenL]

That was an RC controller. For remote control drones. Specifically the JumperRC T-Lite V2 2.4GHz

[@alienlodejavu9504]

@@LandenL oh...😂😂

[@Ubeogesh]

Only 2 back buttons? Extra front buttons are dumb, my thumbs are already super busy

[@LandenL]

I agree

[@UndeadSoldier32]

Speaking from personal experience, not only is the DualShock compatible with the Steam Deck, it actually makes better use of its TouchPad than PlayStation because it's used as a fully functional mouse pad

[@LandenL]

Which is a requirement for a lot of PC games. Stupid 3rd party launchers... Rockstar, CD Project...

[@zevil89]

Hori controllers are like the Amazon Essentials of the controller world. Unless youre broke dont buy one except for their fighting sticks

[@jpa3974]

They are low-cost controllers, usually without many features, but at least the basics usually work properly (except the analog sticks which are pretty bad). Much better than brands recommended by youtubers like 8Bitdo and similar, which in my experience are basically e-waste.

[@zevil89]

@@jpa3974 the analog sticks wear out really fast. Even the low end fighting sticks already wobble after a few weeks of use

[@GrassSaint33]

their fighting commander pad is also really good, not just for fighting games but any retro console pre-analog sticks. edit: just realized they made a new version with an analog stick, never tried it.

[@browtf87]

Nothing a few mods cant fix. I really like the aesthetics of the controller and that lime one looks great

[@LandenL]

I almost like the colors. I just wish the entire controller was a single color.

[@GAMINGMATRIXXX]

Does the Steam Logo button bring up any menus on the Steam Deck? What about the Quick Access Button (3 Dots). Does that bring up the Quick Access Menu on the Steam Deck?

[@shinobicl]

No trackpads? Hmm I think it is an unnecessary device

[@LandenL]

Gyro could be a substitute. But if you use the Deck trackpads for mouse intensive games, I agree with your comment.

[@TheRibbonRed]

​@@LandenL I have weak wrists & never used the gyros on 3 of my Steam Controllers. Steam Input simply gives more options (radial, touch menu, touch vs click inputs, flick settings, etc.) than "just use gyro".

[@Diego-de6dq]

If they make a steam controller, matching the steam deck layout, it will hands down be the best controller on the market. I just don't understand why they haven't made it yet. My best guess would be that making it would somehow impact steam deck sales, since it won't be the only platform with such a novel way of playing games.

[@LandenL]

I want them to make one too. But they are probably busy with other projects/are not interested in making one right now.

[@tresnugget]

Are we sure it's Bluetooth and not 2.4 ghz with the dongle? Usually 2.4 is lower latency but there are standouts like the DS4 and dualsense that has better latency via Bluetooth than wired. According to the latest LTT controller video the dualsense Bluetooth latency beats most contollers wires, 2.4 ghz, or Bluetooth.

[@LandenL]

I tried using the dongle the other day. It's definitely a Bluetooth dongle. But the problem is, the Steam UI doesn't distinguish between the built in Bluetooth and the dongle. I am sure you can go into linux and write a script to handle all that, but I do not care enough.

[@kylewagenaar5786]

My xbox controller always turns on my xbox and connects to it when I plug it into my pc so I switched to the PS5 controller for pc gaming. I usually use mouse and keyboard but I do have some games that I prefer a controller on. I do want to find a good hall effect controller in the future.

[@LandenL]

Many people have been suggesting the 8bitdo controllers. They look very cheap and have hall effect apparently.

[@jaydeatts]

love the framework!!!

[@LandenL]

😁

[@Ubeogesh]

are the joystics capacitive, i.e. can you bind touching them to smth?

[@LandenL]

Yeah

[@damonabrams9418]

Can you also use it on your rog ally x

[@LandenL]

I think so. You probably have to switch it from Steam mode to XInput. That mode is meant for PCs. But the manual claimed the touch sensitive joysticks only work in Steam mode. But idk if that is true.

[@ameteuraspirant]

it really shows you how much care xbox puts into the feel of their first party controllers, even if they haven't made any major innovations since the 360.

[@LandenL]

They really should include gyro. Even only a few games us it, its a nice option for developers.

[@AraleNorimaki-b1c]

Wake from Sleep is only available on OLED due to a hardware change. Gyro settings are bad on source games, you have to manually fix it. Try a PlayStation or a Switch controller, and you'll have the same problem.

[@OmegaChase1002]

I just have one question about it, regarding Emudeck. Normally, Emudeck works fine on handheld mode, but on docked mode you have to manually go into the individual emulator itself and re-select the controller input since it counts the xbox controller and the buttons on the steam deck as 2 different controllers. Can this controller "trick" it into always thinking I'm using the steam decks buttons so I wont have to always do that?

[@HitscanSedan]

I think its so funny that mice used to have more weight as a selling point but nowadays we try to make them as light as possible vs what you said about the controller. Maybe as gyro becomes more standard, people will worry more about the weight for fatigue. But yeah man. Steam menus are always a time an a half to wrangle but its worth it once you figure out some of the nuances and advanced features on em lmfao. If i had to guess, it was probably using controlstick as gyro aim or maybe it is just the bluetooth connection but eh who knows lmfao. Thanks for putting this vid out, i had no idea this thing existed

[@LandenL]

Thanks for watching! I definitely had bad gyro settings in this video. I posted a follow up where I played Portal 2 and it was much better. I get what you mean about the weight fatigue. Ironically, I recently bought a lightweight mouse for PC gaming. I didn't think about gyro weight fatigue until after I made the video and someone commented on it.

[@PcMeowster]

Is it only available in japan?

[@LandenL]

I believe so. But Hori does have a US site. Maybe in the future?

[@nielsb8299]

Does the dongle work in the dock? Because i tried many different controller dongles and none seem to work. Using bluetooth is useless for the games i play cuz it has massive input lagg.

[@LandenL]

I think the dongle would work in the dock? But I don't know if it is any better than the built in bluetooth.

[@Metrox524]

I'm sad i missed out on the 5 euros sales on their OG Steam controller. Would liked to try that one

[@LandenL]

5 euro sale went hard. I lucked out and saw the news right when it was announced.

[@Gummelgimp]

Please ...how do you get it I really want one but no Shop will send it to germany ...

[@LandenL]

I was able to order these because I currently live in Japan. Not sure about other countries. I hope they start shipping to you soon.

[@Gummelgimp]

@@LandenL as far as I know it will be only for Japan... sadly lucky you :)

[@bururei5844]

hey that framework, great laptop

[@LandenL]

Ironically, I broken a screw on it today 😭 another commenter was correct for roasting me about it.

[@Ben-lw5fx]

I have been messing with gyro aiming and found some games need the controller connected via USB to work smoothly. I don't know why though.

[@karkovb1522]

The face button glyphs seemed to be just painted over in the video, is that really is? cause that's gonna smudge off after a while and not a good look. In comparison, some cheap Chinese-made controllers have buttons that made the glyphs part of the plastic itself.

[@LandenL]

Its gonna look like a membrane Logitech keyboard after a year at the office

[@snihyper]

Where did you get it???? I NEED ITTTTTT!!!

[@LandenL]

I bought it from their online store. Maybe only Japan atm? horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/

[@tompeter717]

6:28 SPLATOON??!?!!!?!1!1! I must like the video now

[@LandenL]

You're a squid now

[@tompeter717]

@@LandenL You're addicted To splatoon now

[@Deli5150]

how did you get the controller i like to order one???

[@LandenL]

I bought it from here. I don't know if they ship internationally: horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/

[@roflBeck]

I like the capacitive sticks, like on the Steam Deck. Kinda want one of these, but I have lots of controllers already lol.

[@LandenL]

capacitive sticks plus gyro seems like the major selling point.

[@ReavoEnd]

Thanks for taking one for the team. I see "Hori" and I go NOPE. Their wireless GC clone controller for the Switch was similarly abysmally cheap and rumble-less.

[@LandenL]

🫡

[@bltzcstrnx]

Why don't Valve collaborate with "better" third-party like GameSir or 8bit-do? I've tried the GameSir one, and they're quite nice.

[@AkoaGenesis]

Thabks for the review. Theyll probably fix the gyro with updates. Ill stick with the original SC. A controller has to have touchpads for me to consider buying it.

[@LandenL]

Fingers crossed for OG Steam Controller 2. I want to believe. And thanks for watching.

[@daviddelgado5553]

You can wake it up from sleep if the dongle was connected, don't think it would turn on though. Other gamepads can do the same on LCD Deck with dongle. As for the gyro being weird, maybe it's a few days off from being fully patched software wise with Steam? Idk, it's clearly got issues. The gyro not functioning whatsoever is a current bug that is yet to be fixed, so hopefully they'll address the Hori gamepad as well.

[@LandenL]

I cut it from the video, but I did try using the dongle and didn't have any luck. Like I said in another comment, it feels like the gyro is using integer movement instead of floats or whatever. I also hope it can be fixed in software.

[@daviddelgado5553]

@@LandenL Strange, give it some days when everyone gets their hands on it.

[@qchtohere8636]

For the LCD at least, the dongle should have an active power source apart from the Deck (like a plugged dock) and the Deck must have been suspended and left connected before suspension (if you unplug it while suspended, it won't work as the USB would have desynced). It's a hardware problem on the LCD (it was designed to cut all output power on suspension, unlike the OLED).

[@Syahburei]

Hows the dpad for fighting games?

[@LandenL]

I am horrible at fighting games so I don't know if they are good. sry. But they are regular dpads.

[@Duvoncho]

Hori are well known in the Fighting Game Community for making solid fight sticks. Pads aren't really where they shine.

[@Khajitxi]

Do the back paddles count as their own buttons like the steam controller has a monopoly/patent on for at least another decade? If so, that alone makes it easy to use out of the box compared to other modern controllers as you have to fidangle a solution in steam to make backpaddles function.

[@LandenL]

All buttons on the controller (including the back paddles) are totally customizable in Steam input.

[@S1RLANC3]

So, what store can I pick this up at?

[@alexandergiles9967]

Where did you order these from?

[@LandenL]

IDK when if/when they will sell internationally: horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/

[@x0vg5hs1]

that's Hori controller this with steam skin?

[@LandenL]

Yeah, basically a rebranded Hori controller with a steam skin. But it does have some extra functionality like gyro, 4 extra buttons, and touch sensitive thumbsticks.

[@x0vg5hs1]

@@LandenL that Hori cont is Nintendo. It doesn't have ruble and hall sticks. Even 30 USD AliExpress clones of Xbox cont have them.

[@Animal_lives_matter]

So is the official Xbox controller the way to go for Steam then? Is game support for it as good as the previous 360 controller for Windows? I currently have that one and it's good but I want wired because my Tenmars TM-190 EMF meter is showing red bars from the wireless radiation and it's warning beep is sounding, and I hold the controller in my lap next to me balls and don't want that radiation there up against my hands and balls for the next 10 years of gaming. Already done that for the last 10 years.

[@LandenL]

You might have better luck with a modern xbox controller. If you want gyro, look for PS4/PS5 controllers.

[@MaoRatto]

I would hard disagree, A switch, 8bitdo controller ( in general ), specifically their Pro series with back buttons would be perfect, while using Direct-Input for the motion controls, or dualshock 5 or dualshock 4 is good. JUST WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU USE NO MOTION OR GYRO?

[@MaoRatto]

I would say, 8bitdo's controllers are a perfect compliment for the deck, ps4, ps4, but not xbox due to lack of gyro controls.

[@Animal_lives_matter]

@@MaoRatto I don't think I want to be limited to direct input cause I seem to think steam won't play nice with that (am I wrong?) Currently when I use the 360 controller, steam auto detects it and automatically sets up the buttons for games. It's almost like steam has all this custom code in it just for using xbox controllers. Even a lot of the games like Skyrim have little xbox button icons in game. It sounds like I'd have to use some third party wrapper to convert it to xinput or something. 8bitdo looks good, especially the one with the drift free hall effect sticks, but that one costs more than the xbox controller and has to be shipped from overseas with no local warranty. Still, might be worth it for those sticks but then i saw some reviews on Amazon saying they're too sensitive, like the spring resistance on the sticks is too low or something?

[@MaoRatto]

@@Animal_lives_matter Steam has a converter in their software though?

[@sheikhster8768]

I wonder if that dpad is good for fighting games

[@CandarianGaming]

It's awesome

[@sheikhster8768]

@CandarianGaming wow really?, is it hard to press or is it soft?, is it easy to glide across the dpad?

[@CandarianGaming]

@@sheikhster8768 medium but easy to glide around

[@Megabeans]

Wish you'd try with the dongle

[@mystertom100]

Since the controller comes with a dongle you should probably use it. Im sure the gyro oerforms better if you use the dongle. I have a steam controller and the gyro is better when using the provided dongle..

[@LandenL]

The gyro does perform better if you plug it in with a USB cable. I just posted another video on my channel about it if you are interested.

[@mystertom100]

@@LandenL I'm good, you showed me all I need to know with this control. Hopefully valve make a true steam controller successor

[@thesillygoober]

The framework laptop in the background 🤤

[@LandenL]

I broke a screw in it recently 😢

[@thefoxhouse]

I use a PS5 controller with mine docked using the 8bitdo usb dongle which I highly recommend. It just runs it with Xbox inputs. I’ve been curious about this though, I just can’t get over the funky design. There are a few places selling these at a considerable up charge. Thank you for posting your thoughts man

[@LandenL]

No problem. I'm glad you enjoyed! I would suggest avoiding the expensive resellers unless you had a really good reason for wanting this controller. Some articles suggested this would be a Japan release only, but Hori has a US website. So IDK.

[@thefoxhouse]

@@LandenL No worries at all. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. I wouldn’t mind picking one up, but not at near double the cost. Hopefully Valve will release their own again in the future since the Steam Deck has taken off so well.

[@ManilaSlim]

I always turn rumble off for fps games and appreciate tactile switches over membrane

[@LandenL]

Membrane is pretty icky. But I will say one of the best keyboards I have ever used was a thinkpad x200 (Maybe 230?). I believe that had a membrane keyboard.

[@simptrix007]

Steam controller was the best Rocket league controller to this date for me. I am little sad that sales were poor.

[@LandenL]

One day they will bring 'er back

[@nassim99345]

9:52 maybe click the steam button?

[@Tyler.Chubry]

12:37 that is a problem specific to Half life 2 I'm pretty sure. I have a gen 1 steam controller and a switch pro controller, Gyro is jittery and drifts only for that game.

[@narwhal_]

framework laptop mentioned????

[@jiggy902]

does it have actuale triggers or just buttons ?

[@LandenL]

They are like force sensitive triggers. But there is basically no travel distance.

[@Mottalott]

Didn't someone make a fan concept of a Steam Deck controller that would work far better and with track pads?

[@teknastyk]

are there no analog triggers just like on switch gamepads, am i seeing this right?? this has no space in 2024

[@LandenL]

They are analog, but really shit analog. They are like force sensors. So you have no feedback when trying to dial in a specific value.

[@HDRcade]

8bitdo still kings of affordable quality controllers.

[@LandenL]

Their prices are pretty nuts.

[@HDRcade]

@LandenL the ultimate 2c is wild with Hall effect joysticks/triggers, 1000hz polling, and extra shoulder buttons (l4 & r4). I'm a proud owner of the discontinued and rare Snes/Famicom style sn/f30 pro Nintendo had them remove (worth over £100 now).

[@LandenL]

Damn, I might have to pick one up. Sounds like all they need to add is a touch pad and it would be perfect for the Steam Deck. Hell, maybe even PC gaming in general.

[@NiSE_Rafter]

Arguable with Gulikit, Flydigi, and Gamesir also on the market. They're definitely good but the "best" depends on what features the customer is looking for.

[@Dima064]

For the same price you can get Dualshock 4, which can have drift, but is definitely more comfortable I'm sure. And it's gyro is perfect, I can tell because I've beaten Tomb Raider 2013 with it.

[@Dima064]

Also having no rumble is a dealbreaker. Wild that we have 50$ controllers without rumble in 2024.

[@timelymirror7826]

when did this release

[@LandenL]

September 28th in Japan. Not sure if it will ship internationally.

[@Olrih]

You got one subscriber because of this video, but please do more videos about it before it flush in market

[@Triannosaurus]

Honestly I just want one because it’s a licensed steam product lol. I’m really happy with my gulikit controller tho. I still think the Xbox 360 is the most comfortable controller of all time.

[@LandenL]

I also have a gulikit but I didn't like the thumbsticks. The texture and feedback weren't for me. I also sorta bought these controllers just because they were licensed by valve lol.

[@omarguerrero6417]

You need to press a button for gyro to work correctly

[@LandenL]

I was experiencing a weird bug where my gyro button wouldn't work unless I unbound and re-bound it.

[@bigdubyuh7901]

I think most people would have preferred basically a steam deck with out a screen even if it cost like $100-125. The fact that its missing mouse pads means its a deal breaker for me. He might not want to go into steam input and set everything up but the people who this controller would have been designed for would have and like it. Yeah setting up radial menus, command strings, and etc can be a little time consuming but once you have it set; its set. The controller seems like it was a half ass attempt to make a controller compatible with steam input. Can you even set those 2 paddle and 2 front buttons to anything you want like esc, or a keyboard button? This just seems like another overpriced controller

[@LandenL]

All the buttons are customizable in Steam input.

[@masterk5066]

I got the original steam controller for free 😂 i bought sekiro shadows die twice & they had a 2 in 1 deal. Having a controller for pc games with no controller support is amazing, worth over 200 now im probably never selling

[@LandenL]

Free is the best kind of deal

[@storm8216]

The purple one.. I have to stop looking at controllers man.. I have 4 already-

[@LandenL]

😂 I know what you mean. But I am bummed that the purple isn't like a GameCube. Why couldn't they make it all one color?!

[@TheJackson4eva]

I always find it funny how companies design a product like a controller that’s going to be presumably held for an hour+ so they design it to be light, but then everyone thinks that feels cheap because it’s not a 1kg stone in your hands.

[@LandenL]

My monkey brain does equate heavy to expensive

[@wastelanderone]

there is a wild difference between light and cheap. My USB NES pad is light. The plastic on this looks cheap.

[@Imurged_cpz]

May I ask you a question?

[@theinstantnoodle9628]

Game Cube purple. Nice.

[@LandenL]

That was the plan, but the front plastic is more like Splatoon 3 box cover 😅

[@jaimerojas6578]

Thanks for the review man, I was thinking maybe getting one to pair with my steam deck, but looks like they are not very good quality, I think a ps5 controller or an Xbox controller will do a better job

[@LandenL]

If you use gyro, PS5 is probably the GOAT.

[@jaimerojas6578]

@@LandenL never really used it but it might be nice to have the option 👌🏻

[@QuestFrey]

Wish the controller could be overclocked to the highest possible. At least 1000hz. Having the least response time overall. Probably as responsive as typing on a keyboard

[@aetheralmeowstic2392]

For me, the lack of rumble on this thing is an instant dealbreaker

[@LandenL]

I wish it had rumble. But there is a little weight savings for gyro. But probably cut due to costs/lack of rumble support on a lot of PC games.

[@heisseething]

Reviewing controllers but the haven’t used PlayStation controllers? Man you’re missing out lol I was an Xbox Elite 2 purist until I tried the Dual Sense Edge. It’s now my go to for competitive gaming and casual gaming alike. Best controller ever made hands down.

[@LandenL]

I grew up on ps3 controllers lol. Controller ergonomics have come a long way.