Understanding Collectivism and Individualism

In today's episode of Use Your Difference, I talk about the difference between the individualist and collectivist mindset.
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[@loratoad]

If we view these as an either or option, the worst of both options leave society handcuffed. The beauty is in the tension of seeing your self as an individual with goals and boundaries, but also as a piece of greater whole. There are time to be self defined, but the greatest form of self-actualization is recognizing and engaging in interdependent relationships.

[@aliceliu4548]

Same here.I came from a country which has strong collectivism culture, they also think individualism is so selfish.... They keep judging me I am a selfish person after I lived and studied abroad and got influenced by individualism which teaches me how to take care of myself first.

[@zioncommand]

I'm an individualist first and foremost because the only one looking out for my own well being is me. But, I will treat others with dignity and respect but on an individualistic scale. People are not the same.

[@alanhopkins1721]

This discusses Collectivism and Individualism from a team dynamics perspective. That barely scratches the surface of the implications of these two different mindsets. The study is SO much deeper than this and a full study demands a study of the entirety of human history. Simply change the title of this to "Understanding Collectivism and Individualism in Business Team Dynamics"

[@romnz_828]

Individualist all day. I despise group projects. Good stuff Mr. Rockson.

[@TayoRockson]

Rafael Palacio thank you so much Rafael!!!

[@y2kcell]

Agreed.

[@wayneharmon4485]

Me too! No one works as hard as they do when they are working on their own stuff. When the credit for the outcome is shared, the effort is diffused. Many of us will still try hard, but we don't manage our job like we owned it.

[@Mijn24]

Individuals change the world

[@jessyleger7114]

I HATE mob mentality in general. No respect for people who refuse to think and act for themselves.

[@teadarden8306]

An individualist who believes in interdependency.

[@TayoRockson]

Nice!

[@TheConqueror009]

I what regards? That is too broad of a scope

[@alanhopkins1721]

Indeed. However, many Individualists in fact work well in teams and many Collectivists don't. In my experience, they aren't correlated and the lack of correlation is in no way ironic. For example, I am an individualist and am well known for being a "team player" in business, am a good facilitator of collaborations and my need/want for accolades (in keeping with the discussion from Tayo) has waned more and more over time. I know LOTS of Collectivists who do not play well. Who dominates conversations OR are overtly silent and sullenly so. People recognize and act on humanity's interdependency regardless of the mindset of Collectivism or Individualism. The application of Collectivism vs Individualism is frankly, IMO and experience (which is not short or light) in the context of team dynamics, be that familial, scholastic or business, is misplaced. Thelonious Mac posted a quote from Ayn Rand that is far more apt albeit only able to redirect the application of these terms in the right direction.

[@kellynoble2053]

Very interesting. I like to think of myself as a person whom prefers to do things myself, but is willing to do group things.

[@TayoRockson]

Kelly Noble sounds like you might be an ambivert. Great balance

[@theloniousMac]

“Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group-whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called “the common good.” ― Ayn Rand Geopolitically speaking, the term collectivism is primarily used to refer to collectivist forms of government like communism and socialism. Collectivism is anathema to Americanism which is highly individualistic. Individualism is one of the primary tenets of western civilization and is given credit for helping the west (as you say) ACHIEVE as much as it has. The interesting thing about such achievement is that it typically moves society forward far more rapidly than collectivism. Still, even though we are individualistic, we OBVIOUSLY work in groups. Groups of individuals come together to achieve goals with individuals given specific responsibilities with a single individual taking overall responsibility for the success or failure of the group of individuals. “...Rugged individualism, derived from "individualism", is a term that indicates the ideal whereby an individual is totally self-reliant and independent from outside, usually state or government, assistance. While the term is often associated with the notion of laissez-faire and associated adherents it was actually coined by American President, Herbert Hoover, who presided over the emerging Great Depression. “ Leonard Pekoff In our on going cultural battle with collectivist ideologies like Marxism, Socialism, and Communism, the word collectivist fell out of use in favor of those other terms. “...Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group . . . and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force-and statism has always been the political corollary of collectivism...” Ayn Rand Again, collectivism is a highly anti-American point of view. RACISM is a form of COLLECTIVISM by definition. RACISM declares that my personal characteristics are due to nothing more than the race that others ascribe me to, primarily based on nothing more than the way I look, and equally disgusting based on a presumed shared body chemistry, again based on nothing more than the way I look. Interestingly one of the greatest values of Americanism is the nuclear family. “...A nuclear family, elementary family or conjugal family is a family group consisting of two parents (a man and a woman) and their children (one or more). It is in contrast to a single-parent family, the larger extended family, or a family with more than two parents. Nuclear families typically center on a married couple which may have any number of children...” Once again we have contradiction. America values rugged individualism, individual achievement, individual responsibility, but we also value the family greatly, which is a collective. Our individualistic society relies on the strength of the nuclear family collective, which is why so many of America’s domestic enemies and detractors attack the idea of the nuclear family in general. The nuclear family is a small group with an individual HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD, which is where the individual comes in. Each member of the family plays an individual role. There are many things that I worry about like the state of black people in the United States. I believe we suffer from negative group dynamics and that if we can instill western ideas such as individualism and individual responsibility into our culture, we can defeat many of our social problems.

[@alanhopkins1721]

Excellent post, spot on. I am quite sure that you could posit the same sentiments in another paragraph using white people as a foil and nail that too. We share so much more commonality than differences. Sometimes I think the incessant contrast of differences and complete absence of thought about commonality, among Collectivists, is them trying to hide from the very foibles you are pointing out.

[@allensuchinski4978]

I can with 100 percent certainty that I am a bit of both. Growing up with- in a large immediate and extended family I was thrusted into working collectively to accomplish goals just to survive everyday living. It was not until I was in middle school that I started to achieve individual goals that segway into adult hood. Having both collectivism as well as individualism in my life most definitely helped with job prospects and career choices.

[@beanielingbeanie6173]

Thx to the video! I have a better understanding on individualist and collectivist. And now i know i have the tendency of collectivist rather then individual because “we” is the word i use the most and think the most...

[@TayoRockson]

Beanie Ling Beanie awww thank you Beanie! Glad I helped!

[@bigsmiler5101]

As someone gifted with Asperger's Syndrome I would tend to be purely Individualist. However, life and especially a career as a military officer (and all the brain-washing that's required to become one) has taught me we must have Unity. Therefore, I now don't get along with anyone because my Viewpoint is a mix of "You're Both Right" and "Everyone is Wrong."

[@JohnE9999]

You're not "gifted" you're cursed.

[@chetsinorarene214]

I love how you described with examples. easier to understand and i love that you said neither culture is wrong because at the end they exist and work for the respective communities. And we must learn to communicate across these differences. !!

[@freierHimmel]

1:25 Well i would name your Description of Individualist "Egoist". Individualists do form and act in groups when needed, but they are more like cooperations to achieve a common goal. Everybody works together to achieve that goal for their own reasons, not for the group or because of peer pressure. *The group is just a tool to get shit done better, not everybody a tool to make the group better.*

[@donrutter6765]

Here's a better understanding. And why a society shouldnt get lazy and give governments power. Its called "The Totalitarian Tiptoe". kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqLQc5ipfbGSe9U

[@coopergoss350]

couldn't have said it better

[@bloodykitten1234]

I have been struggling with this for two days and then I ran across your page. Thank you for explaining it in a way I can understand. AWESOME JOB! I am both, pending on the setting. :)

[@TayoRockson]

bloodykitten1234 wow! I'm so glad I could help! What is your current situation? I'd love to learn more about it.

[@crazycasy]

individualism can be both, but if its pure collectivism you do not have the liberty to be individualistic, no property ownership no freedom of speech no free market and private business..

[@nicolep1727]

Thank you for this . I am from Canada and my roomate just moved here from Sri Lanka so this has made it easier to understand our cultural differences

[@TayoRockson]

You’re so welcome!!! Very glad to hear that!!!!

[@constructingadditionalpylo8597]

I come from a highly individualist country and try to do everything (mostly) myself, and beat myself up when I need collaboration. AND I'm introverted. But I'm realising I need more collectivism in my life. I need people and noise around me

[@TheTektronik]

There nothing better than being an individualist because it allows me to think more clearly.

[@TheConqueror009]

I can agree overall

[@brandonvillatuya9539]

As someone with more individualistic values. I highly respect the selflessness of some people I know with more collectivist views. It's not so much people need to have one over the other. But we need to find out what our values are and how to respect and coexist with those of different cultures

[@crazycasy]

Their are two sides to collectivist they will quickly vote to spend other people money, that's not very selfless, if you just asked people love to give

[@binarekoharijanto9199]

@@crazycasy Spending other's money or having visible greed or even the act of being financial parasite is disdained in the east as well. While helping others is viewed as a virtue, asking for help is viewed as selfish and greedy. Collectivism is not always about sharing and equality like communism, it's also about not giving other people trouble (aside from strict formality).

[@6ftgentle863]

Thank you. This helped me get the words I needed for my class.

[@TayoRockson]

Saadia Gentle so glad to hear that!

[@cindyl.gayanes1027]

This man deserves millions of subscribers. Hello thank you for the vid, I need it for my school presentation.

[@TayoRockson]

Wow thank you Cindy!

[@svetiksky7553]

Great video! Thank you so much for your time and useful information!

[@jamcalx]

To all things, balance is what I say.

[@Jackiecool9]

thank you this really helped for my college assignment

[@TayoRockson]

Jackiecool9 so glad to hear it!!!

[@LadyStoneThrower]

TyRock, great vid! Helped me with homework post.

[@TayoRockson]

So glad to hear that!

[@Atzelliz]

This was helpful for my assignment. THANK YOU.

[@TayoRockson]

You’re very welcome!!!

[@honeykai8274]

Thank you! This helped me with my cultural psychology class

[@TayoRockson]

Glad to hear that!

[@laurabantz79]

Thanks for the great video! I'll be using in my management course today!

[@TayoRockson]

Laura Bantz you’re so welcome Laura!!!

[@TheLazySkeptic]

Thanks for the video and for articulating this concept. Yours is a refreshing perspective that I appreciate. I think In social settings I can't help but act like a collectivist. Like I'm compelled, or compelling myself into the mindset. "These are my friends", "This is my family", "Would that group accept or reject me?". I'm happy to see myself belonging to certain groups, and I can't help but see the world as a collection of groups. Do you think there is a role for each theory, at the same time, in a successful society?

[@TayoRockson]

Thanks so much for watching and I absolutely do. I think it's actually best to be able to flex both of them depending on the situation. Especially given the fact that we live in such a globalized world. That makes us come into contact with people form different backgrounds frequently so it's best we are able to be both.

[@zubrakhan3659]

Wow I like this , because it exposes my authentic self though I'm a grounded type of dude ! . But I dont like being pushed around deeply into a group to an extent of loosing my personal essence

[@TayoRockson]

Zubra khan glad to hear that Zubra! There's something magical that happens within us when we become more self aware.

[@elishataylor5017]

Thank you this helped with my sociology assignment

[@TayoRockson]

Elisha Taylor you’re so welcome Elisha!!! Really glad to hear that! What was the assignment?

[@elishataylor5017]

Tayo Rockson It's to explain different sociology perspectives in health and social care

[@TayoRockson]

Elisha Taylor so interesting! Thanks for sharing! :)

[@Jamedia66]

This is the fundamental core to all of the issues today and yesterday. If everyone put the time and process that it takes to understand this, we wouldn’t be so divided. Earlier generations emphasized in this, and made sure to reference to it regularly to steer people into thinking about it. This.... is the missing link the collectivists do not want the masses to focus on...

[@subchristina8887]

I am a mix of both individual and collective cultures. I am half American and half Mexican. It is interesting.

[@jamessmith7425]

You were born in America and Mexico?🤷‍♂️

[@kingofrandomjunk]

Very Informative thank you!

[@ReadingDave]

Fantastic advice! Thanks.

[@TayoRockson]

You're welcome!!!

[@nthperson]

One of the great books on this issue is the book "Out of Step," the autobiography of the individualist philosopher Frank Chodorov. What makes Chodorov's analysis superior to that of von Mises and others who consider themselves libertarians is his recognition that there is a just distinction between those produced, tangible assets rightfully considered to be private property versus natural assets the individual control over which is rightfully considered a monopolistic privilege requiring a payment of the market-determined rent to the community.

[@donrutter6765]

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[@YeshuaIsTheTruth]

Being a native-born American who has never moved, I'm definitely an Individualist, but I'm really glad I watched this video. I think being aware of Collectivist cultures could help me interact with people from other countries more easily. Thanks :)

[@watchin7029]

being an american would you identify, individualism as a more conservative or liberal ideal?

[@YeshuaIsTheTruth]

@@watchin7029 neither. It's just a cultural reality.

[@moontide3943]

You are so hot.

[@vvelvettearss]

It's so interesting reading all the views in the comments. I guess I'm an individualist? Not exactly by choice, I'm a Brit so a westerner and live alone, unmarried and a handful of friends and I socialise well but always find it hard to maintain any kind of network. However I love my family when we talk on the phone or they visit, we help each other out and the bonds grow deeper as I get older I think and enjoy spending time in groups on chatrooms or discord, it feels like a tribe or with volunteering it's a feeling you can't replicate by yourself , it's awesome ^_^. I'm also a creative and fairly smart individual and capable of a lot if I take people out of the equasion when I need a problem solved or have an idea I want to follow through with, I'm slowly pursueing my own road more and it's going well! However the downside is you have to do everything by yourself all of the time and that is hard sometimes, a few text messages or a phone call simply won't help when you need assistance and can't juggle it all alone . So that's a downside :\

[@TayoRockson]

vvelvettearss thank you very much for sharing! I definitely identify. I think there’s a balance to both. I’m learning how to navigate between the two.

[@Conrail2020]

No group can think or act in one mind, individuals think and act in unity (individually and collectively). To best settle the dispute of individualist and collectivists is to act through voluntary social cooperation and exchanges through trading and collaboration.

[@crazycasy]

that's one of the main differences between them, voluntary vs force and coercion, all voluntary cooperation can be achieved threw individualism but not threw collective compelled force being dictated by elites, mob justice and corrupt governments

[@zachnelson8172]

Collectivism assumes that everyone will have the exact same goals, without realizing that inherent human nature is motivated by self interest

[@biohita]

Nope. We are tribalistic and social animals, self interest goes against human nature. I don't know where people get this idea, we would have been gone long ago.

[@biohita]

@Angus Chandler Couldn't have said it better.

[@biohita]

@west of whatever it is, while I won't respond to your insults. You are comparing modern human history of individualism that is less of a 5% of our time on the planet, with millions and millenia of tribal society, till this day we still have evolutionary remnants of that huge line of time, such as women having better eyesight and multi-tasking abilities and men having stronger bodies and better reflexes. And yes, the individuals always had to bend the knee for the group, that's how we survived.

[@biohita]

@west of whatever why do you always assume that collectivism is the same as authoritarism.

[@boubou1258]

@@biohita how else would your collectivist ideals be enforced?

[@arielkeith9352]

I am balanced with both and I enjoy having that balance.

[@RorekVaru]

Great video!! Individualism!!

[@chadmccoy8032]

I have a feeling this dude is balanced.

[@indigoinarritu6096]

Great video Tayo! The KZbin algorithm just exposed your video and I am glad it did! Kudos!

[@TayoRockson]

Thank you so much!

[@indigostalentcafe5691]

@@TayoRockson I recommended your channel to a friend of mine in the US that works for a Non-Profit that is getting into DEI as part of his new role in his organization. Don't be surprised if he reaches out! If you're every in Northern Italy stop over to Lake Garda for chat about some of your ideas.

[@TayoRockson]

@@indigostalentcafe5691 thank you again and I’ll make a mental note of that. 😊

[@candyluna2929]

individualistic.

[@kathleenoconnell2990]

Excellent!!!

[@pwat7254]

I can be both but I will say when it comes to social situations in regards to people relations, I tend to be an individualist because not all people get along..lol great video

[@TayoRockson]

Haha me too! And thank you very much 😊

[@donrutter6765]

No such thing. As a collectivist, the individual can be sacrificed for the greater good of the collective whole. Like Stalin/Lenin did or Hitler did to the Jews. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqLQc5ipfbGSe9U

[@litogarcia8838]

I think theirs no problem about individualistic, as long as , reminded us how we balance our background as collectivist culture ,im telling this family insight...

[@Mijn24]

Individualism Vs. Collectivism healthy and unhealthy consequences Collectivism (healthy) - Family/belonging - Comfort - Purpose - Sexual gratification Collectivism (Unhealthy) - Tribalism - Hatred - Violence - Inauthenticity Individualism (healthy) - Authenticity/Originality - Self-Reliance - Creativity - Leadership Individualism (Unhealthy) - Depression - Loneliness - Suicide - Narcissism

[@vvelvettearss]

This is a great comment ! It's getting that healthy balance between the two

[@NoorashidahShidah13]

I'm mix ,i think..thanks for sharing..easy to understand and explain to my students

[@RicardoPena-rf3bp]

Collectivist and love your video

[@TayoRockson]

Ricardo Peña thank you so much and I appreciate you watching! 🙏🏾

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Hmm, are you for a giant coercive force, or the idea that the basis of property rights and morality stems from the individual. That's usually what these terms mean. Being more selfish vs altruistic or for oneself vs for their community is something different entirely. People who are more conservative are generally more community oriented, but are more individualistic and favor smaller government.

[@TayoRockson]

chasem007ify thank you for your response and definitely can see what you're saying. I wasn't referring to politics with this. Just the general social culture of certain regions based on my studies as well as experience. I do think that It'll be interesting to dive into what you're saying some more.

[@tremayneestwick2561]

Would Liberals generally be the opposite of this ?

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

@@tremayneestwick2561 we don't know.

[@C.D.J.Burton]

Nicely put. It's all I've been thinking about for years. Conservatives are actually the better ones. They don't ask for anything, they don't want the world to change for them, they work hard, appreciate the small things and care only about really important stuff. Socialists are lazy and jealous, and see everything through a subjective lens. "Everything means everything therefore everything". People like this can justify anything, simply by refusing to acknowledge an intellectually legitimate critique of their acclaimed position in any debate. I've often found myself having to reinvent the wheel for people just to prove that wheels exist. It's really tiring.

[@donrutter6765]

False. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqLQc5ipfbGSe9U

[@MrWhite-cn1ms]

Groups can't think. Only each individual within the group can.

[@eryn5826]

African American culture is a collectivist culture too

[@augchristophercalunsag6103]

thank you..

[@TayoRockson]

Christopher B. You’re welcome!!!

[@RigaDoomer]

There's a slight background buzz that's really obnoxious. You can cut down on background noise pretty easily. For one you could hang sheets to the side of your green screen. It's hard to sum this all up in a short time but it's something you could do in a quick few minutes. Other than that subbed.

[@Avidcomp]

The ethical code of Individualism created by Ayn Rand. She achieved what the enlightenment had not. Especially through her groundbreaking work of concepts and the mind's faculty of unit economy. Individualism is not isolationism, the opposite is true because individualism recognizes the requirement of the trader principle, it does so placing the emphasis on voluntary action and the division of labour. Not third party interventionism. Thanks Tayo. I'm glad you engaged in this topic.

[@davisb5199]

Didn't she get government assistance twice while also saying that we shouldn't rely on government assistance in America lol

[@Avidcomp]

@@davisb5199 That's one of about at least 3 regularly repeated tropes from the group think people. You're on the internet, look it up

[@juliedesnick7401]

Having experienced both? What are the pros and cons of one vs. the other? Which do you prefer?

[@onepointo2825]

Man 😮 I didn't even realised that this video was in black and white until it was almost finished.

[@cmebans35]

Great discussion

[@TayoRockson]

chikita evans thank you!

[@kunslipper]

Very good from Thailand

[@TayoRockson]

Heisenberg thank you!!!

[@gmilitaru]

I was raised to consider that equal opportunities for each is a gain for all and that equality of outcome should be the natural outcome of providing optimal opportunities to all of us. I came to realise, painfully, that unless you are able to carry your own weight as an adult, you are a leech sucking the strength of the others and ultimately bringing down everybody. Being a witness to the sinking of a decrepit "real socialism" society did help. Unless you take ownership of your goals and make you and only you accountable for your success in reaching them, unless you at least try continuously to be more efficient and more useful in what you do to make other people's better and thus to earn their support, you are part of the problem, not of the solution, for yourself and for the rest of your community. We are all social beings and can only live in communities. We all need to work together. The real difference is in how we define our solidarity with our group: whether our solidarity is based on identity and privilege, or whether it is based on shared (or complementary) goals, values and interests. The first type encourages stability in suffering and waste of resources down to survival levels, the latter one leads to tensions, dynamism and sustainable progress.

[@zoeyj3799]

I'm an individualist, I like to step up ,take control, be the best at things. But I think to some extent my Dad wanted me to be collectivist as well, often stated a lot about "how would that affect our name" or "think about your grandmother, stop being selfish" yet at the same time dad wanted me to achieve highly also. So i think even though people think they might be one or the other, I think most people will have a mix of both to some extent :)

[@TayoRockson]

That's awesome! I think we are very similar. What part of the world did you grow up in?

[@zoeyj3799]

Yay.. but i think people underestimate that even if they are focused on one, they will have to have an aspect on the other, because we don't always achieve things as a group, and sometimes we don't always achieve things on our own, there is a balance, but different cultures have different amounts of these i think :) And I grew up my whole life in Australia with all close family backgrounds being Australian

[@TayoRockson]

Zoey j exactly. There’s nuance that people don’t take into account. Too many people think it’s just black and white. And Australia. So cool. That’s on my bucket list.

[@zoeyj3799]

The thing people forget is nothing is black and white, everything is a shade of grey . And Australia is really cool, I'm studying education and our lecturer for child and youth studies has linked us to watch your video :)

[@TayoRockson]

Zoey j exactly we live in a world of nuance governed by binary systems. And so cool. Could you please let your lecturer know I’m grateful?

[@imcyta3900]

Collectivist here.👌

[@donrutter6765]

Ignorance. It takes a long time to understand the "Totalitarian Tiptoe". kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqLQc5ipfbGSe9U

[@donrutter6765]

Also study the Magna Carta, it was used to draft the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

[@johnquins3216]

I love group projects because everybody gets the same grade 😂. Teamwork makes the dream work

[@chris7285]

That’s bad when the majority slack off and are lazy. Then the only guy working hard has to do everyone else’s work.

[@creestee08]

in this time of climate change a balanc of individualism and collectivism is needed. and more of the later. maybe 60-40 or 65-35.

[@DanNorton1]

"[T]here is not one society that's better than another" (6:02). What about a society that practices human sacrifice vs. one that forbids it? Or one that allows a majority to vote to kill or enslave an innocent individual vs. one that upholds individual rights? Are all of these societies equally good?

[@lilacspring2556]

You’re focusing on bits of each culture, in real life there will be a mix of things that are “bad” and “good”

[@DanNorton1]

In real life are some mixtures better than others?

[@sodeepned9686]

Collectivism works well until you run into a family member that’s willing to disown you because of disagreement, like marrying someone of a different cultural background. Deep down all human beings are motivated by self interest and therefore whether or not they want to admit it even people who come from collectivist cultures are deep down individualistic because of the fact that human beings are selfish at the core. I don’t like socialism, therefore I don’t like collectivism.

[@boris001000]

dings in excitement

[@griotolu7040]

Collectivism is just a small group of powerful individuals defining their goals as 'Our Goals'. It's pure BS

[@apollon6870]

your views on collectivism are very limited

[@endloesung_der_braunen_frage]

@@apollon6870 Enlighten us. Can you actually demonstrate that Groups exist ontologically as an entity independ of their Individual constituents? IT doesn't Work with materialism

[@ifyourespondyourmad.2409]

Well you know, individualism is possible because of collectivism. You cannot change or create anything revolutionary on your own.

[@gamerslifetv2348]

I want my kids to grow up in collectivism society then when old they can be as individualistic as they can be

[@tkama2102]

Thanks for the clear explanation of the two. I consider myself at times a individualist because over the years, I've grown intolerant of society, can't stand many people and find that I work and function better in isolation. I can also be a collectivist when it comes to certain situations and certain people.

[@1sam-ef]

The guy who did this video....apparently believes in two contradictory conflicting Concepts...simultaneously. That's called: "Double-Think" (its just like believing that Good is Good and ALSO that Bad is Good too)

[@ThisisPam]

Contrary to a society that bleats otherwise, it is possible to hold two ideas in one's head at the same time. I can appreciate a good team effort, yet understand that it was the leaders and hardest workers, smartest brains on that team that caused the goal to be achieved. It's just the nature of reality.

[@papercat2599]

Every culture has time when they’re individualism or collectivism. Those two are supposed to balance each other. For those individual worshiper in the comment section, the answer seems to be easy. But society start from individualism and was strengthened by collectivism. Collectivism was once protect humanitarian through many suffering and disaster. Now with a better life standards people are extremely inclined towards individualism. But I don’t know what future has to offer for humanity. So I choose both. People say that human nature is individualism. But I think human nature is capable of evolving. Or maybe something will eventually force the evolution like all other life form on earth.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Honestly I’m a very individualistic person

[@bhemmi]

I believe the best example of both is in the military. Where there are individual awards and recognition, however you are also taught to protect the institution as well as the team mindset while on the battle field.

[@TayoRockson]

Brock Hemminger that’s a great example!

[@ute196]

Great insights, but the music in the background is a bit annoying when to be used in a lecture (sorry)

[@ericwycoff1399]

I am trying to provide constructive criticism so please don't take offense to this when I say this, I really like your video a lot but the background noises are a little loud and it's actually possible to get rid of that with a free program called audacity. It's called noise removal and its very very easy to use. The video is very good and informal and I just wanted to help you improve the quality of your productions. Cheers mate.

[@TayoRockson]

Eric Wycoff thanks so much Eric!!! I really appreciate it! That’s super helpful as I was wondering how to get rid of the noise when I uploaded but couldn’t figure it out. Thank you so much!

[@MrBobDobolina]

Anyone who considers themselves an individualist or a collectivist is an idiot. It's impossible to function effectively in society (or even have a society, in the first place) without being a blend of the two. The debate, in my opinion, is all about the ratio.

[@vanexcelronquillo6261]

hi paneng dahil sayo napadpad ako dito hahahaha

[@nodozhit]

Well, in America, the culture is definitely deeply rooted in individualism, especially amongst the major cities and the African American demographics. A lot of US have no choice but to be individualists. After all, Donald Trump is, "Individual 1." It's a rugged free enterprise of individualism for the have nots in a dog eat dog world. And the elites get all of the breaks, like a 50 yard handicap in 50 yard rat race. Whether your an individualist or a collectivist, no man is an island. But most individualists are like crabs, in a bucket that doesn't even need a lid on top, because they all consistently pull one another back down to the bottom.

[@StylistecS]

nodozhit are you black? Because I would no be quick to call us as a group individualist.

[@nodozhit]

@@StylistecS I am a black male from the South aka Trump country. And I still feel the same way about the statement I made 2 years ago. Marvin Gaye sang a song 50 years ago that is still applicable to the status quo of today's inner city society. The only difference I see is my own growth mindset. But my worldview is still as objective as I can be.

[@nodozhit]

@west of whatever I wish that I could understand your perspective and your point a little more clearly. After 2 years of making that comment, my socioeconomic concerns are still the same. Personally, I think that we have a people problem regardless of who our elected officials are. And since that comment, I have become aware of the stigma around mental wellness. Therefore, I still believe that our traditions and network for consumerism/ capitalism is not to be mistaken for collectivism in any sense. Maybe our system is closer to a form of socialism that has keep this country divided by ideological differences that goes back to events leading up to the American Civil War and then our civil rights movement and then Trump's populist movement. But our free market has always been fueled by cutthroat individualism (every man for himself) although our government only seems to interfere to negate monopolies or intervene to assist corporations that are too big to fail. Our system of government only tries to regulate our free enterprise and tax them on behalf lof the benefits they receive from capitalizing on our essential and established infrastructure. What I really want to point out is I believe that we are in a humanitarian crisis that is spawned from the stigmatized system of individualism (which is not at all regulated by our government). We have people today who doesn't even want our government to mandate CDC approved guidelines onto any part of the citizen's public life during a damn world wide pandemic. That is strong indicator of an uneducated democracy in our republic. Republics are governed by established law like our constitution. Democracy takes away the power of law, and gives that power to the majority. But the irony of our modern day politics is that the Democratic Party are our only representatives who are trying to amend our laws to benefit the people; and the GOP are the ones who refusing to respect our constitution, in hopes of promoting propaganda for their own personal profits. But still, there is the subject of personal agency, personal responsibility, plus the pursuit of happiness that the politicians never present as a debatable topic. In a nutshell, Americans have been dumbed down and numbed down to the ploys of propagandists- like Roger Ailes, the proprietor of Fake News. And our elected officials are powerless to do anything about it because of our unchecked free dumb and rites. I will go as far to say that it is unchecked narcissism and egomania that is fueling our ongoing COVID crisis that should have been curbed about 20 months ago (if our scientists and doctors didn't have to tiptoe around telling Americans, with their superiority complexes, that it is an individual responsibility to quarantine and not spread this highly infectious virus).

[@justmadeit2]

I think both have their benefits. Funny intro ' I like a nice cup of water' 😀

[@TayoRockson]

justmadeit2 I agree and thank you haha!!!

[@crabtrap]

Being a indi or collectivist is fine in small scale....collectivism becomes a problem when backed by governmental force. Amish are collectivist and get along quite well

[@liomallawa]

I don't know. however, the sense of collectivism doesn't mean being an escalve of social norms or a culture in my opinion .In fact,i believe the true sense of collectivism is extinct cause if its there ,it wouldn't limite to a family,an ethnie or even to a country.yet that's kind of collectivity i find in most asian countries mainly after the colonisation because colonizers mostly used Balkanisation. Individuality become valorise in this syterm we live because we have never experience the real sense of collectivity that could transcend the sense of oneself "myself,my family,my country,my colour.....etc" . one's success is depended to one's ownself so collectivity is waste of time in this modern era we live.

[@wonderingcloud]

Holy shit I was expecting a British accent there

[@garystewart3110]

Well ideally you have collective individualism. where everyone has their own self, and many of those selves are a like so you have your collective

[@stacyj4858]

Where can I find this guy? He is handsome :)

[@donkarara7964]

I like collectivism

[@donkarara7964]

@Tammy TAll of us are not smart or good minded so freedom can't be handled by all. It leads to chaos. Discipline must be there in society. Total freedom is a poison to a society. Some right restrictions are needed for the smooth working of any society.

[@C.D.J.Burton]

Yeah socialism goes well until you run out of everyone else's money

[@user-vz2fj4wq7d]

@Tammy T why?

[@user-vz2fj4wq7d]

@Tammy T What exactly so bad about collectivism, like some certain things YOU dislike. I'm neither a collectivist not individualist. Maybe we can share our opinions

[@aldebenevmg]

@Tammy T i think altruism, thinking about others and love for your neighbour are more important than endless striving for empty and nonsensical freedom

[@Garvitb19]

Standing out in a collectivist society is not appreciated and those who stand out are taunted till they become similar.

[@bjaquez6]

I wonder where this fits in. Tips go into a pot so everyone gets equal tips, whether I got a $50 tip and another got $15 tip. I dont like this at all. I like sharing with my bus boy but not my tips going into a pot for others to get what I and my busboy earned. Not fair.

[@ordinary_nugget691]

I’m born and raised in Asia. I never thought about the problem of collectivism until I go aboard studied in Canada. In my opinion Individualism is definitely better. In a individualism society people are more straightforward and being honest about their true feelings and motives. They can do good without facing criticism from the group.

[@Oubaitori_]

woops am only here to do some research for my final exam but teamwork is better, so communist though, i am from an individualistic background

[@1sam-ef]

The Dictator of Zaire: Mobutu and Frank Lucas and Leroy "Nicky" Barnes are classic models of : Individualism. They didn't care about how many of their own people that they killed , just so as long as THEY could live the good life.

[@wayneharmon4485]

Giovanni Gentile was a collectivist and a socialist as well. His philosophy was based upon three principals that in which the state must be in control: Everything within the state, nothing outside the state and everything for the state. This was adopted by Benito Mussolini and was called 'Fascismo', the Italian word for Fascism. It was the prospect that the economy and production would be collective and organized by democratic and state rule. You may have missed at the definition of Individualism. These dictators are more fascist, everything being for the state and not for the individual. If you believe in individualism, no one misses out, because everyone is an individual. Watch this great video again or explore the works of History's great individualists, Classical Liberals like John Locke, Baron Charles de Montequieu and Edmund Burke.

[@wayneharmon4485]

And Tayo Rockson, too!

[@BoostedMonkey05]

Individualism derives from the rights of the individual and those rights stem from their right to life. A dictator does not motivate the people by pointing to every single one and asking them think about yourself? What do you want? It's always think about the people, the poor, the army, the king or god. A dictator infringes the rights of an individual to "server" a "greater collective". A person is only beholden to themselves and should hold themselves accountable for their wrongs and their rights. They have the ability to choose for themselves and be rewarded or punished for the results of the action. Anarchy is a kind of individualistic society but not one I agree with, you have to protect yourself from people that will infringe your right to life and etc etc. The government's job is that. To prevent another individual from infinging the rights of another. Or to at least punish them. A company cannot infringe your right to life, health, liberty, etc etc. You get the deal or they will face the law

[@codex8085]

All dictators use collectivist justification.

[@TayoRockson]

Are you a collectivist or an individualist?

[@s-kazi940]

Collectivist.

[@davidusnazarus1700]

individualist

[@alif8884]

Collectivism all the way for me.

[@joehobo8868]

You think Collectivism is better than Individualism because you are genetically designed that way. You cannot comprehend as spiritual concept beyond what your group master dictates to you, In your group you have no say about anything because your master dictates that he knows and you automatically believe him because your brain is wired that way and also you fear being shunned if you way to disagree with him. If you take a look at Individualist countries you will see they have human right and progress as compared to Collectivist Countries which have high levels of corruption and low levels of education. Most Collectivist Countries are run by dictatorship with mass killing of their own people who disagree. Everything they have is what we gave to them. They are not creative enough to discover or invent anything mew. Those countries also have the highest rates of child suicide. You can see many people from those countries immigrating to the west where as white people would never leave the west because people from those countries are extreme racists.

[@alif8884]

@@joehobo8868 wow.

[@joehobo8868]

@@alif8884 I am Sorry I did not edit my post before I sent it but I think you understand. If you are interested in how culture gets encoded into our genetics I can send you a link of Robert Sapolsky, a neuroendocrinology researcher, giving his entire lecture on his findings on the subject. Just let me know if you would like to watch it and I will post the link. (warning it is over 40 hours long in total as each lecture is 1 and 1/2 hours long )

[@alif8884]

@@joehobo8868 there’s no real reason for that although thank you, I appreciate the offer. Collectivism is my choice because I believe that I can only offer anything when part of a group. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. I don’t have anything to offer as an individual so I try to fit into collectives instead.

[@joehobo8868]

@@alif8884 Yes, I kind of understand. here in Indonesia all the low people in the groups have very low self esteem. I also notice that a lot of that is based on how they are raised, I have taught in a few schools here and witnessed how teachers break their spirit of independence at a very young age. I do believe that that may be one of the reasons for the low IQ of Indonesians as one of their strong traits is loafing. I have learned that you cannot retrain people whose self worth has been destroyed.

[@JM-cu3pr]

Why do we forget collectivism that happens on the right? The people who are typically the 'majority' who band together under mutual beliefs, opinions and the like against the 'minority'. Why are they never touched? It's always so bad when a group, a 'minority' that shares one thing in common, a thing that's heavily tarnished and demeaned and that has an overwhelming amount of them being left wing. Is it because the lines surrounding us (the 'minority') are easier to see due to us being easy to put into a 'box'?

[@C.D.J.Burton]

I suppose because dangers associated with collectivism on the right are pretty obvious, and we're still often reminded of the past horror stories as a result of radical right wing collectives to this day. Left wing collectivist ideologies are a much darker subject in my opinion. Largely because left wing attacks are usually seen as good, often rewarded.

[@sand2698]

This individual live in the illusion of self 😂

[@andypac7]

He did not drink water!

[@iamgraci_]

#Flexboth

[@apollon6870]

japan an collectivist culture??

[@yohaanchuu]

On a global scale yes still. Not as collectivistic as the rest of Asia but more so than the west

[@mrs.hancock4124]

Collectivism within multiculturalism is an irreconcilable concept.

[@erica2105]

I consider myself an individualist and I love living in a society which is somewhat half way between individualist and collectivist (Italy). Having lived in countries that are more extreme at each end of the spectrum (UK and China), I find I quite like the balance here. People are fairly free to be themselves even when their identity, preferences and ideas diverge from the groups they belong to, but at the same time there is enough focus on tradition and family to create a good amount of emotional support and cohesion. There is no perfection. Here if somehow is, for example, gay or follows a religion that is uncommon, they will face some discrimination in certain environments. Nevertheless, their right to be whoever they are is protected by the law and most people will accept the fact that each of us is different.

[@shinobukouchou680]

You’re Cameroonian aren’t you

[@TayoRockson]

Shinobu Kouchou I’m Nigerian