Borders, Frogs, Predators, Lizards & Pixels: Ukraine’s Search for a Standardized Camouflage Pattern

[@kingofwishfulthinking2490]

The MM14 looks like what most people expected UCP to look like when it first came out in 2004. There were mockups online that showed UCP originally in shades of light green and tan, that it almost looked like digital multicam/scorpion. Then when it finally came out and turned out to be gray…

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

That is what UCP should have been. It ended up being just urban camo in digital form.

[@wh8787]

Grey works every equally ... Equally badly!

[@JohnDoe-mp1yn]

@@wh8787 grey is actually great

[@casioak1683]

well it's not just grey.. it's light grey/an almost white shade of grey. i mean Austria has been using plain grey (Feldgrau) uniform for decades and honestly it looks blends better than their new camouflage pattern.

[@wh8787]

@@casioak1683 yes, obviously it has a variety of different shades, one of them isn't even technically grey, it's "sage" but the problem is that in any vegetative environment, it stands out badly. It also only works marginally well in a desert, so that leaves urban environments, arctic environments, and mountains. The problem is that camouflage in general isn't that useful in urban warfare (arguably UCPs most suitable application), and while it works OK in snowy environments, other specialised patterns work far better, and the US military didn't really do any fighting in arctic conditions, leaving a bit of mountain warfare in Afghanistan... There is a reason soldiers hated it and the US army got rid of it really quickly. Yes, my original comment was deliberately flippant, but the pattern itself was bad. Feldgrau is effective, but also a different thing.

[@johnwalton5576]

I'm glad we aren't the only country that camouflage selection turns into a giant clusterfuck. I liked that Frog and Veran stuff though. Awesome video, I learned a lot and I appreciate your efforts.

[@cmbara102]

It's like that with almost everywhere. Just take a look at Russia and China. The sheer volume of camouflage patterns they shit out is pretty nuts.

[@AnthonyBlamthony]

That’s actually a problem every country has militaries are constantly tweaking or changing their camo it’s surprisingly harder than it looks.

[@walczyc9572]

I have talked to a military guy, Varan doesn’t really have a camouflage ability

[@stevecochran9078]

I like A-TACS.

[@Ac22768]

Who tf is “we?”

[@Weaponsandstuff93]

I have an MM14 BARS suit, which was sent to me to review a few years ago by the company that produces them for the Ukrainian army, it's a fantastic cold weather suit but way to warm in the UK sadly even in the winter. The colour works a bit like East German Strichtarn, picks up ambient light very well so can appear grey, brown or green depending on the surroundings and lighting.

[@Rokaize]

It did do surprisingly well. Would be interesting to see you re-test it during the summer when your area is more lush and green.

[@ID-8491]

Remove some of the insulation?

[@РоманБондар-ч7э]

Hmmm..I don't think so(about comparing Strichtarn and UA Armed Force patter).MM-14 created for steppe.On Donbass region,Kherson i,Mykolaiv oblast's(districts)it's a great camo,but not in European wild.Like a MTP too))

[@Rokaize]

@@РоманБондар-ч7э He’s saying strichtarn cm angles color depending how on the lighting. It can look brown sometimes and green other times.

[@РоманБондар-ч7э]

@@Rokaize Aaah,yeah, that's true.Espetially,at 2014-early 2015,rare examples

[@RedIvanMilitary]

There was also a dark blue version of the initial digital pattern for internal troops, it is more grayish than the Navy version. Also Soviet Butan not the same as Ukrainian Dubok.

[@FEINDKONTAKT.]

Yep. National Guard camo that existed in mostly 2015.

[@cra83]

The way varan fades is EXACTLY the same as the New Zealand MCU fades, even down to turning a slight, faded purple colour as you wore/washed it

[@kaydeear]

Fascinating. I have been following the Ukrainian conflict since 2014 and had the privilege of speaking with some Ukrainian military/tactical industry members and still didn't know all of this.

[@angelavalencia9055]

real camouflage ukraine no fake off all ok

[@foist101]

I have fallen in love with MM14 over this past month I will admit, but Varan is very interesting and looks quite effective if the printing process wasn't so bad.

[@bigbrowntau]

Nails the foreign pronunciation at 15:16, flubs the pronunciation of English. In a wonderful video covering a serious subject at a time of massive crisis, you brought not only a great amount of info, but also a big smile. Thanks for a great video!

[@МикитаЩербаков]

Hi from Ukraine! Great video, much work and research have been put into it. Thanks for covering our camouflage history. Keep it up! Best of luck.

[@seanthefatone131]

Stay safe 🙏 ❤️

[@Fishlord136]

Damn, varan actually looked really cool and effective. He was right, too; I could easily create something that looks almost exactly like mm14 by dying an army acu

[@walczyc9572]

Not effective, know from a guy who’s unit used the uniform.. very un affective

[@Alffraido]

@@walczyc9572 everyone knows acu wasn’t un-affective. He just wants to create mm14 I’m guessing

[@khcstewie]

Amazing depth in this video. Really appreciate all the research that went into this. Great work!

[@UH1Phil]

Thank you for the video, I have a full set of Varan from P1G-Tac (not the ZSU) which I play airsoft in (Sweden), and it's crazy effective. It blends in absolutely perfectly in fields/tall grass, and in spring/fall people get mesmerized by the effectiveness. Even in summer it's good in brown-dominant areas. I love it to bits and was hoping to buy other stuff in it right before the war happened. I'm a camo-freak and I can clearly see the Varan being a very, very thought-through pattern - none of that "needs to look good" uniform designer crap, it was made to blend in and disrupt, and that it does splendidly. Like Pencott Greenzone.

[@FAUST_F13]

Камуфляж Varan застосовується в десанті.

[@duartesimoes508]

My Stepson is an Ukrainian Army Officer and always referred to the MM14 pattern as "the pixel". I guess he didn't ever heard about its official designation. In peacetime Ukraine you could buy a full uniform in street fairs for a few coins. I own several items and they are very well crafted.

[@miscellaneous263]

Yeah, it's widely known as "pixel", indeed. I bought one myself in a local store a year ago, it cost me roughly $45

[@aryanpugilist]

Yeah, that's not an uncommon name. Either "pixel" or "digital" is a standard name for any pattern that features pixels.

[@harosokman]

Great Vid. It's interesting how MM14 is now almost iconic to the war with Russia and as somewhat of a Ukrainian symbol.

[@stevemc6010]

Definitely the scrappy underdog camo

[@casioak1683]

Actually Kazakshtan and Turkemistan Army use similar pattern based on ACUPAT. But Ukrainian MM14 seems superior.

[@walczyc9572]

@@stevemc6010 I would argue, as it works.. and our soldiers like it

[@news_internationale2035]

@@walczyc9572 You know it doesn't work well.

[@daniil4953]

There is also "Mavka" pattern adopted by many SOF in Ukraine

[@scandited2763]

Actually, we divided MM14 on two versions - Gilyateyka (that one uniform with norwegian pockets and poor quality(it was named after minister of defence btw)) and Pixel - the one is used today with better quality and changed pockets placement and other stuff.

[@mikaelsundblad5381]

As a graphic designer I find it really interesting how difficult the development of these patterns seem to be. I feel like you should be able to design and test them fairly easily. But that's clearly not the case. Thanks for a fascinating video.

[@darthhodges]

If you look at the companies that make hunting camouflage they iterate quite frequently but the trend is for much more terrain specific patterns. The most popular ones literally being collages of realistic images of flora (leaves, sticks, tree bark, grass, etc.) as they appear in certain seasons. Militaries don't go for this as it would require every soldier to not only have potentially dozens of uniforms but walking too far would necessitate changing as the one you have suddenly drops in effectiveness as the terrain changes. Making uniforms that are effective in several kinds of terrain, in various lighting conditions, and under multiple night vision technologies is quite difficult.

[@mikaelsundblad5381]

​@@darthhodges Yes that's very interesting, I guess it's not possible to get past a certain level of effectiveness unless you are willing to be environment specific. And the testing, I suppose, is always going to be arbitrary to a degree, since you can't really predict the exact conditions that the pattern will be used in. But fashion does seem to play a rather large role as well at least when it comes to the shapes and stylistic conventions like the digital patterns or the undulating shapes of older styles. In Sweden for instance we have a pattern that is essentially made up of a lot of angular shapes. And I can't really think of any reason other than artistic for that particular choice.

[@darthhodges]

@@mikaelsundblad5381 Your final point is all too often true. The US Army's UCP, US Navy NWU, and the US Air Force Digital Tiger Stripe patterns all were very expensive to develop but all were ineffective as camouflage. Critics specifically called them, as a group, a multi-million dollar government fashion contest. Uniform History has videos on all of them.

[@rrossouw100]

@Mikael Sundblad - Designing a pattern isn't really all that hard, once you've created the math processes to do it. The process creates a suitable noise structure and convolves it with a symmetry axis disrupting structure, the resulting pattern would match environmental textures and disrupt the soldiers shape. Then you can apply some styling at the micro scale to affect how the pattern looks up close, but doesn't affect it's actual use. Getting a pattern with a high CDI (Chicks Dig It) factor is a much harder affair and has so far eluded me. Coloration and pattern exist seperately and are decided on based on an environmental audit. Lab level testing is fairly easy, but complex to setup and get useful outcomes. Field testing is a whole other ball game, very few get it right, usually due to not using consistent targets.

[@GjVj]

@@rrossouw100 "CDI Factor". Rofl, I'm stealing that! Thanks for insights, too. :)

[@colbunkmust]

the Varan looks really nice, shame they weren't able to find a way to make it work.

[@BlaulingHD]

My friends dad was in Ukrain for 5 months. Since he was ex millitary (German Bundeswehr) he used his „Tropentarn“ or „5 Farben Flecktarn“. He said it worked well where he was stationed but when rotating trough tick forests he would always put on a leaf ghilly cape (or whatever it’s called in English)

[@Googledeservestodie]

In English we still call it the leaf ghilly but spelled ghillie. Is his father an advisor? A pmc?

[@robbabcock_]

Great video! The history of the various uniforms around the world as always fascinating. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦

[@crueltyjuggernaut3912]

героям слава!

[@myvubest7947]

Slava 🇷🇺

[@unconventionalluthier8531]

A great video. I got a chance to be related to the events of 2015-2016 volunteer in uniform and gear development for the Armed forces of Ukraine and worked for p1g until 2018. This video brings some good memories. Thank you.

[@pannenkoekspek]

Varan might be the best looking modern camo pattern while being highly effective.

[@davidkanengieter]

The use of Swiss steel pot helmets is interesting, too.

[@jarink1]

It's about enough to make you say "Screw it, we're just going to have plain green uniforms!"

[@Graymenn]

We could have saved a lot of money in Iraq by just not wearing uniforms because white ppl skin blends with sand.

[@Fishlord136]

@@Graymenn bruh. It doesn’t blend in after it gets scorched by the sun’s radiation

[@arx3516]

Olive drab for temperate enviroments and khaki for desert ones. That's it!

[@vortigernsaga]

@@arx3516 You have a point, you know. And an armband or two, in color, to distinct friendlies from hostile.

[@riograndedosulball248]

Feldgrau only 4ever

[@vincent_mongrel]

I'm from Ukraine and ur pronunciation was great 👍

[@Violent2aShadow]

"Finally! We made the perfect camouflage! The wearers are practically invisible." "Great work! Now have them all wear this brightly colored duct tape so they won't get shot by our own side."

[@mykhaylovarvarin9078]

To be fair, Russians are also doing this, wearing white and red duct tape

[@fabiandimaspratamathesecond]

@@mykhaylovarvarin9078 at least white and red doesn't stick out or "glowing" in the environment like yellow duct tape.

[@喜陽虚_0x912]

@@fabiandimaspratamathesecond That is why we have now many forces wear dark-blue ductapes.

[@alexd7587]

@@fabiandimaspratamathesecond white is one of the most noticeable colors for the eye because it is rare in the wild nature if there is no snow.

[@bobo8620]

@@fabiandimaspratamathesecond Does red color stand out? Consider why red is the primary warning color. Besides, it doesn't matter from a distance. The stripes are too small and they are no longer visible from hundreds of meters. But they help a lot when fighting in urban areas. Where it is more important to understand who is in front of you than in principle to determine whether there is someone in front.

[@marcusm8093]

That alpenflage helmet cover at 3:50. Nice.

[@echeric76]

I noticed that too :-)

[@adolfofitipaldi1424]

Another outstanding video. How about one on the Greek lizard stripe, does not look like it changed much over the decades until the introduced a desert variation for Afghanistan. They are one of the last European armies to still have an analog camouflage pattern.

[@gruberjens4354]

What a marathon of development, errors and bad luck... Thanks for another great video 😎

[@StanwoodStudios]

Thank you Uniform Daddy for another great video

[@maxwell2.2]

The Predator camo looks really badass!

[@ax_a-ix6275]

Nice pronunciation and analysis, greetings from UA!

[@828enigma6]

MM14 is FAR better than the US ACU. The later is good only in a gravel quarry, and then only if overcast.

[@michaelhansen2309]

Some of the vids out there where Ukrainian troops are in the bush you can really see this camo is actually good.

[@cammobunker]

Don't be silly, it works everywhere- it blends with gray grass, gray trees, grey bushes, gray sky, etc. And actually "ACU" is the cut, Army Combat Uniform, which is still used today. The pattern is properly called UCP, officially Universal Camouflage Pattern, unofficially Useless Camouflage Pattern. To be fair, it actually works pretty well for urban warfare, although it's only function in the field is to make you *easier* to see. Oh, and it also blends well with Grandma's couch, too.

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

@@cammobunker Also works well against grey concrete walls when both the walls and the wearer are covered in dust.

[@cjsimmons4854]

Varan is a very interesting pattern, but to my knowledge, it was/is only to be used by the Airborne?

[@РоманБондар-ч7э]

Yes, you're right (it was 'till 2018)

[@philippmoskalenko3971]

@@РоманБондар-ч7э Наразі "варан" не використовують вже, розробку закрили?

[@РоманБондар-ч7э]

@@philippmoskalenko3971 комерція залишилась,можна й придбати,але не є формою одягу ДШВ.Та й не сильно використовують,особливо зараз.Принаймні,не спостерігав

[@philippmoskalenko3971]

@@РоманБондар-ч7э зрозуміло, дякую. Виглядає вона досить унікально, хоча не знаю напевне наскільки вона відповідає вимогам маскування.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

fantastic video, you've definitely done a lot of research. I personally was impressed with the varan, if they could get the fading problem fixed, that seemed quite effective.

[@Raptor810Blue]

These videos are great. I’m surprised this video doesn’t have a couple hundred thousand views.

[@MsSmartFox]

Varan camuflage looks quite original and interesting

[@cromatos]

wow, what an investigation! thanks for the video

[@maksym4908]

Thank you from Ukraine! It was interesting to look back into the history of creation of our uniform. We will win, Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@nian60]

💛💙

[@SASHA-the-EXPLORER]

No.😁

[@frakismaximus3052]

Slava Ukraine! 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

[@Dmac6969]

What does a victory look like for Ukraine at this point? They still have to live beside Russia. America would never tolerate Mexico arming itself with Chinese nukes. I think Ukrainian and western leaders sold out Ukrainian citizens😢

[@jamie.777]

Nobody cares. Also your country is corrupt AF...

[@preserveourpbfs7128]

“Wh-what are you doing, st-steppe frog?”

[@greybread301]

There are many videos and photos of Ukrainians fielding pieces of equipment in the old US UCP camo. The US is probably supplying Ukraine with many outdated UCP pieces, a handy side effect of having a camo similar to that of another nations old pattern

[@ОлександрГарбуз-к5ж]

Thank for this video! Greetings from UA!!!

[@nunyabisness4969]

Some really great research here. As someone who owns several of these patterns and uniforms, an has researched them for my own Instagram posts, I still learned a ton. . . One quick umm, actually though, sorry: a couple times you show Kazakhstan's Army's pattern as either a MM-14 knock-off or as MM-14 looking more green under certain lighting.

[@TheSynchronizer]

The fading of veran, reminds me of how our US Army summer OCP's all faded horribly when they where first introduced initially.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The frog was brilliant. None ever thought to disguise his troops as higlighters.

[@PowermadNavigator]

In a lot of cases, you could say that greed, corruption and politics went in the way of progress, but for Ukraine, it has often been even more than that. Those people have it tough on many accounts and very tough on yet even many more. I was quite surprised to see a local suspicious guy selling these patterns of uniforms and gear in 2018. Or was it 2017... so I got some stuff after I looked at all the labels and very much touched everything. This pissed the guy off. Years later I would be banned from his shop by him (haha, banned) after I knocked him to the ground after he assaulted a pensioner who said that the soft, insulated vests with this pattern were too expensive. At about 15 euros, I didn't quite feel that way, but pensioners around here often live with between 180 and 280 euros. Still no reason for that guy to try and push the pensioner outta his shop and down a flight of stairs, though. But before I got banned from his shop I had bought a bunch for... not so cheap and I was impressed with the uniforms. The camo worked in the fields and in the light forests and some pockets were quite practical. I used it only for airsofting and the heavier use of zippers on the uniform did not bother me and caused me no issues. I liked it. But after all of this, the pattern is still smuggled out which leads me to think that there were other problems now which could have been avoided, leaving Ukraine in a better position for days like these. I am surprised that the digital flecktarn failed, it seems really cool! I'd love to try it out.

[@Tunkkis]

KLMK isn't exactly a pattern, it's what a specific jumpsuit is called, though it doesn't seem to be an official designation. The pattern itself is often called berezka, and was also used by Soviet border guards in green and yellow.

[@PalmettoNDN]

That Varan pattern looks pretty awesome. I was surprised at the pictures of its effectiveness I’ve seen online.

[@bembs0256]

The Frog pattern is very interesting. I’m an airsoft player and I have a very similar camo that similar to the Frog pattern. I bought it in the local airsoft shop, and I believe whoever produced that clothes are getting inspired from the Ukrainian Frog camo. Very nice one!

[@Birder94]

Is that a Swiss alpenflage helmet cover I see at 3:50?

[@matiasojedaoporto8663]

Can you make one on the Gorka type of uniforms? I would really love to learn its history and development

[@bodryy_vecher]

Горка была создана для горно-стрелковых батальонов во время войны в Афганистане

[@tb7771]

I'm digging that Varan pattern. Too bad it fades so quickly.

[@TheCrimsonLupus]

Nice video, thank you, had a lot of questions about their camo watching footage recently - this covered them all.

[@Graham567]

26:17 This looks awful lot like curent Turkish camo, M2008 "Nano".

[@ronaldjensen9919]

It literally is.

[@tonyyarbray]

MM14 seems like a great fit with their terrain I like the look of the green dominate one but seems like the tan dominate is more of a all around pattern

[@DriveByShouting]

A-TACS AU is my year round camo. Works extremely well in winter, and in Summer. Most Woodland environments have tree trunks at the Ground to 6,8, 12ft+ Mark. As a soldier, you'll be standing or prone while engaged. A-TACS AU also has another interesting trait. It can 'Absorb' colors around it. So a AU uniform in Woodland takes on Green shades due to Light refraction/reflection/absorption. It's hard to explain without seeing it. A-TACS AU is outstanding. One downside of Multicam/MTP/Scorpion is that it's EVERYWHERE. China, Russia, South America, Mexico, Chechnya, and more. The U.S. Needs to issue a Pattern and lock it down, like the Canadians have with CADPAT. Being able to ID a Friend or Foe is important. Sucks if you're the guy who stumbles up with his M4 on his back on a group of 6 Russians kitted out in Multicam.

[@casioak1683]

Problem is.. everytime US introduce new camo.. other countries quickly copied it. Since M81 Woodland, then UCP/ACUPAT (yes at one point Azerbaijan and Serbia copied it), then Multicam (W2 Scorpion is not included here because of its similarity with Multicam). Not only Russia copied Multicam, even PLA of P.R.China also interested in it copied Multicam as standard issue during 2015 parade but it was quickly cancelled, they introduced new camo now Type 19 "Starry Sky" pattern.. but the Multicam camo still made its way to People's Armed Police (PAP) with slightly altered color. The only camo which didn't get copied by other countries is AOR.

[@patrickkenney4270]

I have a TTsKo uniform and a ssh with a klmk cover lucky i got it b4 shit went down hill

[@scullystie4389]

I don't know if you guys remember the acclaimed 2015 documentary "Winter On Fire" that came out about the Maidan protests, but in that there was footage of militia members wearing something that looks exactly like US Navy NWU Type III (their woodland pattern) which I found very interesting since Type III was not widely available yet, at the time it was only worn by the Navy's expeditionary warfare units. I always wondered, if it was actually Type III, how did they get it?

[@kenshiroFNS]

Was waiting for this one

[@SuperAdamarose]

Another great video guys. I personally would really like a video on A-TACS pattern, I'm curious to see if anybody uses it in a professional manner, and if not, why? I feel like it would do wonders out in the desert.

[@Buster_Piles]

Chechen units fighting on the Russian side have been filmed wearing a lot of A-TACS FG.

[@ronaldjensen9919]

Russian National Guards use domestic copies of A-TACS: Ataka.

[@Fire0warrior182]

I like this video. Very informative.

[@HorsesArePeople2]

S-Steppe-frog what are you d-doing?!

[@Muddy_Reviews]

Excellent video as always, learned a lot from this one.

[@czowieknuz7507]

On 27:20 there is another camouflage, its called MAWKA CAMO, made by Velmet, check it out , pretty cool multicam-like design

[@ID-8491]

Tons of research done :) Appreciated.

[@FRBlitz117]

I love seeing Ukrainian forces. One soldier wearing alpenflange, one wearing Flecktarn, one wearing m81 BDU, one dressed in a stolen museum Wehrmacht uniform, and all of them from the same squad 😂

[@ssww3]

I love the digital camo I call it " that acu ucp camo" it's not acu but like it in a way

[@karakas9905]

It is what UCP should have been

[@ssww3]

@@karakas9905 110% agree

[@mn_babn]

Thx for this video. Please, check the pattern called Mavka made by ukrainian private company Velmet. It's a variation of multicam that made according to the specific of ukrainian nature. Also the quality is amazing.

[@mn_babn]

That camo also used by Special Operations Forces

[@Rocketsong]

Steppe Frog looks great for dove hunting season. Got to say though, I really liked the digital flecktarn.

[@gringokillah9543]

Im stiil in love with my Steppe Frog :D

[@lilnozzmusic]

I love your content man. I was just wondering if you could do the history of the Australian Army camouflage and its variants maybe. Thanks.

[@normalukrainian]

Good reference video!

[@JoeyMace28]

Basically a better version of what the UCP wanted to be.

[@alexshakk]

Great work as always! I’d like to throw out desert tiger stripe or all terrain tiger stripe for consideration.

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

this lizard 3d camo is really good. also reminds me of the west german border guard camo. a very good winter camo.

[@nathanroberts6265]

Steppe Frog, what are you doing? 😳

[@Chiller01]

That German soldier modelling Flecktarn with the G36 looks absolutely terrifying.

[@SRPSvatoslav]

Buffed AF

[@echeric76]

Lol that poor guy just wants to look "good" on photo :-)

[@ab5olut3zero95]

It’s surprising to me how alike the current Ukrainian digital pattern is to UCP dyed in Rit Camel dye. Great video!

[@robertl6196]

And I thought the US's camouflage woes were complex.

[@Pattern51lover]

*Field Frog crawls under log and gets stuck* Field Frog: “Help me Step Frog! I’m stuck!!” 😏

[@lvoss4life]

A great video, exactly what I was looking for.

[@redstickrant]

MM14. What UCP wanted to be.

[@Reticulosis]

Oh no stepfrog, I’m stuck… 😈

[@ibenuptoshenanigans9216]

Man, I wish some of these patterns were more available.

[@allyreneepenny9447]

Beautiful pattern 👌

[@Drindiades]

This pic of them laying between the garbage testing the new camo 🤣🤣

[@ChesapeakeHammockandOutdoors]

I've got a ton of gear and clothing from M-TAC and 281Z, and despite buying some of it post war the quality is still great.

[@supaloc]

At 3:51min , isn’t that Swiss Army Alp Camo on the Helmet?

[@cherve8enn]

U forgot about Mawka :(

[@marcorivera2281]

When are you covering the US4CES? Would love to see a video dedicated to that camo

[@dgax65]

Great video and very timely.

[@jfilm7466]

23:00 With over 100 years of fabric knowledge and technology, how could they make such tremendous mistakes with these uniforms?

[@Sevkai]

One word - corruption. In Ukraine it is still a big problem, things have hardly improved since 2014. Hopefully after our victory things will go much better since we united now more than ever.

[@Ludovit110]

Varan seems so much more effective, shame it wasn't adopted due to the apparent corruption or incompetence.

[@baneofbanes]

Got a feeling the war is a far higher obstacle at present.

[@komradematt8025]

i think the MM14 was the best options and love the look of it even if its not the best.

[@yizhak3092]

Frog is extremely effective. The problem is that it cannot be made universal. The Frog-forest is beautiful in the forest, the Frog-field in the field. But Ukraine needs universal camouflage, because at different times of the year, in one place, it would be necessary to change the camouflage variant.

[@richhoule3462]

Excellent. Thank you

[@CarlosPEnis]

"Whatchu doing, step-frog"?

[@mikrobixmikrobix]

nice vid, veran looks the best just need to be well manufactured

[@GiskardRevenlov]

The predator camo would work great in the norcal woods

[@trumanyen1544]

Be like Canada: develops cadpat and refuses to change for 26 years