UNIQUE HISTORICAL MECHANICS For BLACK DEATH in EU5 CONFIRMED !!

[@LudietHistoria]

Until eu5 is out, we still can rely on eu4, so here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5bLnZmYf5uSj5Y

[@herrsucccs8301]

When do you think it's gonna come out at this pace?

[@overseer7004]

Population dencity was probably one of the bigger factors in the % of the population the plague killed

[@mk__cyanheron1154]

1. I want the Black Death mechanic for the Natives under the name of Smallpox. 2. I want the Plagues to work the same as in reality ie. be absolutely devestating for high dev centers (W. Europe) and pretty mild for low dev centers (Poland), (Plagues usually levelled the playing field).

[@hellmad]

Adding on to this. Afterwards players should be able to encurage imigration to attract more pops at a cost to A. Symbolize the increased value of the labourer and B. Give players balanced a mechanic to mitigate some of the damage of the plauge or set up for a good future economy. Theres no reason the renaissance needs to start in italy at all if you can get your hands on all those valuable labourers after the plauge has passed

[@smalllJ]

​@kawsay-vd4mv Large disease outbreaks were not even strictly limited to the new world as cholera killed millions across the planet in the 1860s and beyond. A general disease mechanic might be worth making

[@velvet6923]

@@smalllJ but while i do love the idea i also think it could be too annoying and frustrating if your progress gets resetted over and over again because huge parts of your population dies on regular basis, it's the same problem with the ck3 mechanic, it being to frequent, it's realistic and a challenge but could easily become to "difficult" or to frustrating

[@smalllJ]

@@velvet6923 Balancing any reoccurring situation or mechanic seems like it would be hard in general. Imagine how many times colonial settlements had to be done to stick in North America. Even expeditions like Cortez were a crapshoot. Had drought hit or a slightly less overbearing Aztec empire existed euro colonization might have slowed down to the point that it would be deemed wasteful. Imagine, no Spanish Empire because things were slightly worse or better

[@alexs2195]

Plague should be full connected to urbanization of the area, dont make any sense high death rates in low population rural areas. With death also being changed with some policies... For example policies to kill cats and so on... But this policies cant be full controled by the player or is going to be broken, but could be intacted by church and other entities that the player cant control, or by events that the player cant full control, but are not the same in every game, making possible different outcomes

[@ELYELYELroy]

i would like to see the societal changes caused by the black death to be simulated. Such as the decline of serfdom in western and central Europe as lords had to compete for peasants and manpower. In Russia the opposite happened with lords further tightening restrictions and freedom of movement for peasants as they attempted to hoard their peasants instead of compete for them. But being able to tweak the effects of the black death in the settings is a great idea.

[@ELYELYELroy]

also the black death in addition to population decline should result in huge tech debuffs, advisors dyeing, and if a standing army is present a constant state of attrition regardless of its in friendly territory or not.

[@alessandroamatore7767]

I've been reading about it recently in "Why Nations Fail" btw. It's funny to see someone reference this shortly after

[@aldarion5749]

Ideas of situations (aside from the ones in the video) : -The burgundian inheritance, as it trully starts the century long conflict between France and the Habsburgs -The rise of Persia -The Kalmar Union -The fate of the teutonic order. Could be something hapenning when all romuvan locations are converted to catholicism, questionning the very existence of the order -The Cambrai League In fact, every major events in EU4 should be implemented as Situations (that s a lot, but i think it matches the game's ambitions)

[@claudedondelinger9336]

War of the roses

[@williamjonsson4991]

Isn't the Cambrai league a part of the Italian wars though?

[@aldarion5749]

@@williamjonsson4991 yeah my bad xD

[@Helania12]

@@claudedondelinger9336The war of the roses is a disaster or so he said in the dev response.

[@diogomelo7897]

I think the Burgundian Inheritance would be difficult to make into the game, because they'd also have to make the rise of Burgundy for it to happens

[@ogiovanni179]

MUST HAVE SITUATIONS: - Spanish inquisition - Smallpox in the Americas - Protestant League wars - The quest for the new world (triggered by the fall of constantinople) - Protestant reformation - The Timurids - Rise of the Ottomans making some situations trigger others would be super cool too, imagine how immersive would be seeing the rise of the Ottomans triggering the quest of the new world after the fall of Constantinople that itself begins the Age of Discovery and later the smallpox in the americas

[@TThompson2000]

That would be cool to see, especially if Constantinople doesn't fall. Maybe they have it be that countries don't take exploration ideas (or whatever the mechanic will be), and we can see the rise of the natives as a result.

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

​​@@TThompson2000Itd be more cool if they make alternate versions of all situations. If the Ottomans are killed early then whoever kills them gets their mantle. A resugerent Byzantium or another local power. Oh, Byzantium doesnt fall? Well, they still want their land back, picking a fight with the Italian trade states again and still forcing a search for alternate routes. Even if the trade routes didnt close as soon as the ships were capable of making the trip it was bound to happen sooner than later. If spain takes a more tolerant path a situation about integrating minorities and maybe having more unrest in exchange for having more population.

[@andrzejdrzewieniecki3101]

Three situations, which are a must: 1. Dutch Wars (80 years war). A lot of possible flavour. 2. Mughal Emergence and conquests of India. (also Islamic expansion). 3. Decline of the Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania - a looooot of flavour to unlock, a lot of options (from historical partitions, to continuing as a puppet, or partitioned by different parties, etc. etc.). Sikhism and Hussite Wars would be nice to have, too.

[@guavaguy4397]

That would be so great. Also if they made a shift from Lower Franconian culture to Dutch and Flemish ones, that is something i want because i absolutely do not want CK3 culture in EU5

[@anonymousperson5853]

As an indian myself, mughal emergence is not worthwhile a situation,as the first mughal is to arrive in india in 1526 And also mughals arose from the remnants of timurid empire People prioritize mughals in indian history just because they are popular I would rather suggest timurid pillaging and mongol invasions as situations because these were the major reasons to army development in india during the time Almost all delhi dynasties did various measures to prevent the mongols Also i do think delhi sultanate is more flavorful than mughals and should have a separate dynasty mechanic If you dont know the dynasties of delhi sultanate, i suggest you give it a read

[@Plant_The_Otter]

fall of constantinople should also be an event, i was shocked it wasn't mentioned. it could also play a role with/in the italian wars, given that italy had the biggest impact (after the byzantine ofc) with refugees, renaissance and even a league of italian nations almost uniting and calling for a crusade against the ottoman.

[@derbonuspool1274]

it could be an event but I don't see how it should be a situation involiving multiple countries.

[@rawandhwayyiz4302]

Ooo maybe that could start with the Council of Basil/Ferrara/Florence and end with the death of the byzantines entirely (1431-1453). Could be a nice connector with the western schism and anti-pope debacle in (1378-1449).

[@tarunyadav3567]

that will just be an event not a situation

[@moamenahmed9314]

Historically, it involved all Europe as holy orders were made to protect Eastern Europe from the ottoman fast invasion.@@derbonuspool1274

[@m1812Z]

@@derbonuspool1274 Could be handled by some sort of event window which shows up, which would function similarly to the way the Burgundian event does in EU4, where the HRE members vote on what action should be taken: Maybe there will be special situations which involve all countries within a region and depending on the stances of the countries, as well as their power, they might choose to form some sort of coalition or league

[@McHobotheBobo]

The rise of the Aztec triple alliance, Inca, and Huadenosuanee. Scottish Wars of Independence, Highland and Lowland clearances, Enclosure acts, the Darien scheme, War of the Roses, the Muscovite position as tax collector for the Mongols, Irish reunification under a High King, Hussite Wars..... hmmm.....

[@niewiarygodny6853]

Scotich wars = Single country so it will be counted as event/crisis War of the Roses = Same Muscovite and Mongols = Same Irish Reunifcation = i feel it would be treated same way, otherwise, unifying France should also be "Situacion"? Or Spain? Or Poland? Or Great Britian?. Thats the main diffrence that situacions affect/include many countries. So at least those few (I am not familiar with every which got listed by you) does not follow this rule and will be treated as Event/Crisis. For War of The Roses they even confirmed it in comments.

[@thedeadlysquidward1641]

The Muscovite one is confirmed as an International Organization in the last one as the Tatar Yoke

[@nutyyyy]

You could also have more dynamic situations. For example a situation for when a nation, especially the player becomes powerful enough in Europe that the rest of the continent starts working to contain you with coalitions, like the Napoleonic wars, but not necessarily tied to France being the dominant power.

[@McHobotheBobo]

@@nutyyyy That would be awesome, I hope they do something like that for many situations! That way a country in a similar position to a historic power could act in a similar manner

[@shaneshay6420]

A situation for the swiss cantons gaining members for their IO and fighting against austria and burgundy for autonomy would be amazing.

[@jord839]

Accurate representation: "I will cooperate with those assholes in the separate country the next valley over if I get to fuck the Habsburgs over."

[@tertmade9769]

16:48 Japanese emperor was actually restored back to power for few years, by next year 1338 Ashikaga took power as they were unsatisfied with how the emperor do things

[@chicauxerrus]

For me the black death needs to create the shift of power that happened due to the lack of peasant after the plague, that led to massive changes from classic medieval feudal system to a start of early modernisation of countries that defined the end of the middle age and the start of the renaissance the first century in Eu5 should act as an initiation/buffer period where everything stays pretty much the same, and then all of the sudden massive changes in term of society, technology, culture etc etc that gives you access to all the tools and mechanics the game has to offer

[@chicauxerrus]

also the black death should not be avoidable by just locking up your whole country, even though it is what some city did, i feel like in term of balance in the game that would be too OP that you can avoid it completly while the AI suffer

[@ellidominusser1138]

that's exactly what I thought of once I saw the start date in the 1300s. The buildup is way more interesting.

[@Noobmaster-of3xk]

Fun fact about Norway and the Black Death before the plauge Norway was pretty much equal or mabye even stronger then Denmark and Sweden but after the Black death devestated Norway so much that Norways written lauguage died out and made Norway very weak compared to Denmark and Sweden It is also the reason why Norway has 2 ways of writing today Bokmål(Danish but norwegian) and Nynorsk(Norways dialects combined).

[@abyrvalg_]

Why didn't you unite into Skandinavia anyway?

[@Noobmaster-of3xk]

@@abyrvalg_ Sweden declared independece from Denmark while Norway stayed so they are the reason why scandanavia never united

[@seffffee1333]

Caliphate interactions in the Muslims world similar to China pls. Also large scale migrations to areas you have conquered to get rid of the current pops. Or like how Spain force converted Iberia we should be able to do that as any nation Also refugees in such instances go to friendly countries

[@TheNoronist]

I am not sure that Caliphate is any power like Crusade has. Even Ottomans didn't/couldn't use it as a political power(maybe one or two events at most).

[@David-bf2cg]

Every time a new tinto talks come out: Ludi: "This is my favorite Tinto talks so far."

[@LudietHistoria]

Facts

[@miraggge]

The Tatar yoke for the Russian principalities

[@saygilibardak]

Thats IO already

[@ziyilin2029]

16:01 Kingdom of Chen was lead by Chen Youliang and he was defeated by Zhu Yuanzhang, the founder of Ming Dynasty in 1363 in the battle of Poyang Lake. He was killed in that battle as well Also for me I would like to see some flavoured events of Ming since historically they are the dynasty after Yuan

[@Pedanta]

When it comes to the Black Death, choosing the severity (%population killed) could be great And having ways that your culture might cause you to be less affected (like Poland having cays which reduced jow affected they were) would also be awesome

[@rza4187]

Ooo Anatolian Struggle would be a really interesting play, I would die for a good situation in the Anatolia

[@dauletshynybaev]

Add situation for snowballing countries, which are so massive and overextended which makes it difficult to sustain the country. It would make the game dynamic, with empires rising and falling eventually (like Spain, Roman Empire, Ottomans, etc)

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

Its hard to add because players usually get annoyed if their country collapses.

[@ThomasBarth-gr1sz]

The Italian Wars mechanic is just beautiful to see. It was something greatly necessary, and I couldn't even have suggested something as good as that. Paradox keeps impressing me with their plans. I'm very excited for this game.

[@beletorin4048]

I want the plagues to work mostly like in MEIOU&taxes - Plagues can be really devastating and each outbreak gets weaker with each new province affected up to nearly nonexistent effect. And the more the province affected by the plague - the more immunity it has, so less chance of outbreak and less damage during next outbreaks. And of course - player can spend a huge amounts of money to delay (so the plague that gets to you is weaker) or lower the damage (pop loss).

[@AlexVasilchenko-re7qf]

I'd genuinely love to see the Deluge, Northern wars, Time of Troubles and maybe Ottoman threat with christian alliances invoked (like battle of Lepanto or siege of Viena) as a situations to give Central and Eastern European parts a bit of flavor. In EU4 these respected regions felt too streamlined gameplay-wise and imo without this constant dynamic of wars and crises that shaped the history of XIV-XVII centuries it'd be kinda hollow.

[@Hellenic_Smyrnian]

gotta ask about the italian league. If lets say a power like the ottomans or byzantium gets land on italy, shouldnt they be able to create their own league?

[@fluivanny]

sounds like once the iberian or french power kick off the italian wars if you are in italy u can join one of the leagues or start your own.

[@lucasbramante4218]

The "treaty of tordesilhas" situation after the discovery of the new world by an X number of European Countries: dividing and giving claims on the America continent based not only on discovery, but on the amount of papal influence those countries have.

[@Maus_Indahaus]

Since they'll read the comments, I'd like EU5 to have more impactful sieges and battles. I just finished watching several Staggering sieges from the youtube channel SandRhoman history and many of those sieges felt like full wars. Also, many battles were decisive and could determine the outcome of wars

[@johneriksson9356]

Hope that we can get a historical ai focus like in hoi4 or a button that makes us go down only historical paths

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I that's called a Peasant Republic

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

@@tylerphuoc2653 Is it a Republic if it’s an absolute monarchy?

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I Uh…. Republican tradition at zero?

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

@@tylerphuoc2653 I want a Communist Monarchist Hungary in 1346. What more could I ask of this game?

[@inspector_beyond]

No. Please no. The charm of PDX games is in it's sandbox nature, not being a historical retelling of world history.

[@mchrzestek]

Partitions of Poland, 3rd May Constitution and Kosciuszko's uprising could also be a situation called 'Decline of Poland/Commonwealth' which could occur in XVIII century if certain conditions are met

[@velvet6923]

7:06 to be fair the reason why people hate the ck3 mechanic is how often you get hit by diseases and how even is you build the buildings and so on, you still get hit often and it still ends up resseting your development, areas with low development sometimes stay at 0-5 for most of the game and it's annoying at least that's how i understand it and how i feel about it, even if it is realistic and is one of the reason why for thousands of years progress nearly came to a stop

[@francesco_boccardi]

I mean, regarding black death and other historical events that can be coded as "situations": that's absolutely brilliant! and I hope it can be used to give us a felling of historical verisimilitude throughout our games. The fact that a specific situation, such as the black death, could be set with custom setups and even be turned off is the perfect compromise: you like it? You don't? You'd like it to be more random rather than historical? No problem: you can choose each one of these options! That should be perfect to give people different experiences playing the same game according to their personal taste! Personally I love to see my games balanced and historical, so I'd love to see the following situations played out: - rise of Timur (with maybe the subsequent Ottoman-Timurid rivalry); - tatar yoke; - control of the spice trade in the Indian Ocean between early colonizers (Portugal) and local - not only - Indian rulers (which may be supported by foreign powers such as the Ottomans, as it historically happened); this can be even expanded and be made a permanent situation regarding the spice trade as a whole, which would determine who's the major power in control of the spice trade routes and spices being shipped to the west, be it a local power (e.g. Malacca or the indian trade cities) or a foreign power (e.g. the Ottomans, the Mamluks, Portugal, the Netherlands, or the UK)

[@Ciucas13579]

The War of the Roses has to be a situation, it was much more complicated and had a longer span than in eu4,where it is a buncha rebels and thats it.

[@dauletshynybaev]

Rise of Tamerlanes empire is must have situation since he was born one year prior to 1337 and played huge role in Muslim area

[@xess4168]

The situation in the New world that I would like to is the Smallpox epidemic that killed anywhere from 40-90% if the native population, and also the Rise of the Aztecs because the Aztecs had just built Tenochtitlan in 1325.

[@siondafydd]

Would the War of the Roses be a situation, like the disaster in EU4. Also the English Civil Wars (17th century) would be an interesting situation with Catholics, Protestants, monarchists, republicans (Cromwell) Ireland, Scotland, and the Dutch are involved. Maybe also the Plantations in Ireland or that could be a general mechanic. The unification of Russia /Muscovy and their expansion into Siberia should be a situation, massive ethnic and cultural changes happened in those regions because of that. Also it might be hard and not that useful as it would be close to the end of the game, but situations for colonies to gain independence. I know it didn’t happen until the late 18th early 19th century, but I think it’s just a cool idea. Also if they’re going this far, the French Revolution is an obvious thing for a situation. This would be interesting if this is how the end of the game is.

[@grimgorironside]

apart from situations there needs to be a challenge for big empires to prevent the game from being a snowball which is the main reason why most players stop playing after the age of reformation in EU4, countries like france are so much bigger than everybody around them already at the start of the game that there's hardly any challenge apart from the 100 years war. one thing they could do for example is if your the ottomans and you control the balkans the orthodox serbs and various other groups should present problems for you for instance other countries can demand more autonomy for them or support their independence unless given certain rights which will weaken your nation. similar for austria with the hungarians, and they can implement varoius other mechanics based on what happened historically that are specific for big countries such as corruption or decentralization, so that you feel that your struggling to keep your empire even when not expanding.

[@brennanrattenni]

One thing I wonder is how they will portray the native Americans in this. New data is showing the during this time there were massive cities along the Amazon with larger populations than London for example. Which then get wiped by smallpox. I hope they actually have these high pop countries instead of the uncolonized regions in eu4. Just for reference I believe the estimates at this time are the Amazon river basin was home to around 20 million ppl during this time period.

[@McHobotheBobo]

That would be huge! Hopefully we get a lot more data before release that can be taken into consideration. Maybe the indigenous have some oral tradition surrounding the old cities as well.....

[@brennanrattenni]

@@McHobotheBobo for sure we should take oral traditions more into account. Also for some hard evidence we’re are getting this evidence from LIDAR planes flying over the rain forest and it’s covered in ruins. The jungle just took over in between the first explorers and the first colonizers that came like 50-75 years after

[@akshittripathi5403]

The Black Death completely changed the balance of power in places such as Italy. Siena was the leading Tuscan city-state, and at its peak in th early 1200s. They had just completed a massive Cathedral, and had started expanding it into the world's largest church! Then the Death came, and all the artists and artisans died. Today you can still see a few walls of that massive church, but most of it is a parking lot! Florence was also hit hard, but was able to come back and eventually win over Siena. Like some of the other comments said, it should be a mechanic that levelises development (punishing high dev areas more). Countries that have too many ongoing investments can go broke due to the financial/ manpower hit. Countries that recover slow will be left behind by the Renaissance.

[@Fertro]

Ludi please I have class in the morning. Ah fuck it, Tinto Talks let's goooo

[@AlreadyDeath666]

An awesome mechanic that could be more dynamic would be succession crisis for Major Powers where you could see things like the War of Spanish Succession occur in a dynamic manner.

[@dominikvicha3949]

Potential Situation idea: Hussite wars in Bohemia. Would be a cool way to introduce a new religion kicking off after 1415 after Jan Hus' execution.

[@tarunyadav3567]

This will probably just be a bohemia only thing instead of a situation

[@cybergoth2002]

16:42 Japan will probably split up later on in the game. The Ashikaga shogunate was relatively stable in the late 1300s and the Sengoku Jidai didn't really start until the mid 1400s

[@Greg_Abandoned]

This might not be exactly related to what you ask Ludi but recently I have been playing as Angevin Empire and made me realize the kind of things that makes this run special, aka something I would love to see in the next game. I think it's all about the flavour and what makes each country unique and those unique mission trees. However the fact I can form Ireland, Italy, make Castille my junior partner is great. This idea that your vassal can form a country - this is great, I wish this was an option for other countries. You as player can decide, for example if I get all the provinces for my vassal to create a country - i can do that or i can do that but they became my junior partner. That would be great. Also! When you have subjects to direct them to follow their mission trees - what do I mean by that. When I got France I wanted them to finish their mission regarding Provance and get Provance as their junior partner but there is no option for me to influence that, to say to France (my subject) hey, focus on this bit. Anyways, greetings LUUUDA

[@benl3626]

Love this system. It is so important, however, that each situation has at least one or two ahistorical paths to take. Also I hope they have it so the ai takes an ahistorical path now and again too. It does look like this is what they're doing from the Tinto Talk but still just want to hammer this point home.

[@kubaszostak7222]

Two situations I really want to see are the rise of Jagiellonian dynasty and teutons having the inner implosion

[@ebin7538]

As for japan, 1337 is the start of the nanbokuchô period, with two imperial houses, one a puppet of the ashikaga shogun and another supported by various feudal lords vying for dominance. It's a really complicated period tricky to represent on a map, I'm not sure how it's gonna look in the game.

[@DAWIDO41]

Actually in 1337 would be a great situation between Poland and Bohemia since they had huge beaf between after coronation of Wladyslaw Lokietek and after his son Casimir The Great on the Polish King (Bohemians as I remember until the death of Casimir were claiming its rights to the throne). Poles were also allied to Lithuania by marriage of Casimir with Aldona Anna - lithuanian princess and Polish queen

[@jakubp.6987]

From black death, i would like to see a serious challenge. Something that make not only player, but also AI suffer and strugle against.

[@szymonwieczorek3495]

It makes a lot of sense for Japan to be united at start date. There was a brief unification when the emperor won a civil war, and it ended in 1336 when said emperor was overthrown. So maybe Paradox intends for that to be an initial challenge/flavor for a player starting as Japan. Either to keep the emperor in rule, become the new shogunate, or break away as one of the clans.

[@kingjamestres]

Research suggests that when the initial Spanish and Portuguese explorers landed in South America it was actually way more developed than it is often portrayed in popular media. This can be corroborated by the accounts of the aforementioned explorers who spoke of large cities and vast wealth. This was in the early 1500s by the time the explorers went back in the 1600s many previously known civilizations had seemingly disappeared. A popular theory is that these Iberian explorers had unknowingly (or purposefully) introduced diseases of which the indigenous south Americans had zero resistance too which resulted in the deaths of millions. This theory is quite popular because of how well documented the horrific effects small pox had on the indigenous North Americans. All that to say I think The New World should be highly populated at game start. There shouldn't be vast swaths of unclaimed grey territory and instead those areas should become empty by simulating the effect of "old world" diseases on North and South America.

[@asgergotved1263]

(Biased as I'm from Denmark) I would love Hansa League and Kalmar Union situations!

[@aroundhere1200]

The Hussite wars should be a situation.

[@jacopoborghi7062]

Could different situations be' interdependent? Such as the hussite war and the council of Basel. Or the same council and the western schism via the conflict between conciliarist and papal supremacy ideology

[@michaelkavadias9246]

For 18:56, I agree. Definitely should include the main events in the HRE such as the Dutch Revolt, the Swiss Confederacy, the Hussite Crusades (as it has been confirmed that the Hussite religion is in the game), the Thirty Years' War (obviously), the 1356 Golden Bull and the Bohemian acquisition of Brandenburg, and maybe even the Burgundian War of Succession. Some other ideas I have are: In Europe there should be the Wars of the Roses (possibly triggering after certain events in the Hundred Years' War), the Kalmar Union, Byzantine refugees (maybe can do refugees for other countries - where a major city falls to another country) In Asia there should be events such as the spread of Islam to Indonesia (maybe even implementing a system whereby trade with Christian or Islamic nations can lead them to sending missionaries to your country), having Tamerlane, maybe even the Imjin War after the Sengoku Jidai, and the Treasure Fleet so the China after Yuan can acquire tributaries. In the New World there should be the rise of the Aztecs and the Inca along with having a disease mechanic - which will force European powers to import slaves.

[@Jesus-jb6ho]

One thing I would have love for Small Death is to have an outcome on Religion / Science on whether each country adapted to it. Have events tied to it like "God is punishing us" with option like idk "Pray harder for salvation" or "There is no god in this disease, lets isolate this infested town". Ultimately I just don't want the Black Death to just be a passive mechanic where you just happen to see your pop die, you should be able to impact your country with this traumatising event for atleast a century beyond or maybe improve/decrease the reformation rate reformation rate in your country ( if there is something such as ) depending on how zealous your people were ( would be dependent of the previous mentionned events ).

[@Greatludde12]

This has been my main problem with paradox games, a lack of historical events.

[@Chuck12312]

The top picture is the war of the roses between Lancaster and York houses . Other situations can include the arrival of Europeans also in India and whether they can peacefully occupy and trade or not or they have to go to war, same with if Europeans such as Portugal or Dutch arrive in Japan

I hope they add large nation's succession wars as situation. So we can have historical thing like War of Spanish Succession

[@ranindersingh9798]

The Hansatic league and the Kalmar union conflicts can also be a situation. Like if the league prevails they recieve trade bonuses and the Kalmar union has a harder time staying together. Or if the league losses then the union can be stable and be a powerhouse in northern Europe

[@dauletshynybaev]

They definitely won’t be able to make all situations in the world so it would be huge if paradox would make it easier to create mods so there would be mods for situations, organizations, historical events, etc. I think good modding tools would make the game and the community much more alive and there would be much more people playing for a longer time

[@alligator94gaming2]

I hope since there talking about core mechanics recently that they cover the HRE and I can’t wait to see the depth of that system. I just remembered they covered international organizations but the HRE is very different to most organisations

[@canaldental]

Plague used as weapon!?!? Papa nurgle is happy

[@schiopufabius3368]

The partition of Poland, and maybe a mechanic that will do the same thing to ather tags, if you are surranded by enemys or some thing like that

[@velvet6923]

i would like to have a situation within the HRE that can trigger for different regions, meaning that for example if brandenburg or bavaria is founded and has a certain size that they can trigger a situation where they can either expand their realm, unify the nations in their region as a union, or get destroyed either by the emperor as he sees them as a threat or by the other nations wihtin the region as they fear them

[@wolfjoustra4497]

having a situation about the “tatar yoke” might be cool to witness. the breaking free of the mongols was very important for the russian principalities.

[@TKRyan2]

Thanks for entertainingly reviewing these for us, Ludi! Way better than reading the updates!

[@nostalgia3208]

How about Spanish inquisition situation and caliphate too

[@БорисФотев-о8щ]

I wouldn't expect it

[@moamenahmed9314]

I would like it ! Sadly it is not expected to be added as Islam is just on its last footholds in iberia but maybe they will add some events .

[@granddukethedan7029]

One situation that definitely should be added is something similar to the Ecumenical Council of Florence after which the Greek Church got back into communion with Rome.

[@spaced___x]

I think there should be a situation whenever you get the rise of a nation that was also very successful historically, like a local situation limited to the Andean nations during the rise of the Inca empire (which historically happened almost exactly 100 years after the start of EU5) or the unification of the Manchu tribes and the way they will deal with China

[@ScavengerDLC]

special decision/ability to improve standard of living for the peasants after the black death is over. with the massive loss of life, labor became very valuable. if a realm doesn't improve wages or sol then peasants will revolt and we can maybe get peasant republics that way?

[@karlquenzer8194]

when pop employment works similar to Vic3, a massive reduction in pops will increase sol no matter what. An increase in sol should then increase the political power.

[@ScavengerDLC]

@@karlquenzer8194 I’m talking more dramatic of an increase than would naturally be accounted for in supply and demand models. The type that are extracted through force

[@zalanszabo7225]

I want to see Europe start with an insane population like it happend in that time with the agricultural developments, when black death arrives it wipes out half of Europe's population. So you start of in the early game with a bigger population and if your are skilled and quick, maybe you can achive great conquests a develepment growth until the BD arrives than entire Europe freezes in time for a few years while every country and their nobles are trying to sway serfs to move to their lands through certain commoner priviliges. Etc.

[@ДмитроНаконечний-п1э]

I would like to see The Chmelnitkyi uprising as a situation. It will add a lot of flavor to Poland/Ukraine/Russia. It involved a lot of countries including Ottamans, Sweden, Moldova, also the division of Hetmanat on Dnipro river and a lot of other stuff can be added can be added.

[@Mkdz_Ski]

The cossack uprisings, deluge, time of troubles, english civil war, ming to qing transformation

[@fiveyearflan]

Ludi living in an indoor forest??

[@viloman17x]

One thing I want to be in EU5 is somewhat silly but it would be so cool if they make some reference to Ludi (they are watching him too after all), some minor event that schnappeldoop your army or culture.

[@tomasdionnet812]

For the black death a cool scenario that might happen could be like an slider to choose the severity or let it be random. I imagine a bizarre scenario of an incan sunset invasion with an european death toll of 75, 90 or 95 percent, sort of a reverse colonialism

[@TigonIII]

I don't know if it should be a situation, but there really should be some kind of mechanics for monarchies, for when your ruler dies with heirs that might break up the country, or start rebellions. Of course you should as a player be able to alleviate it or in some cases make it so it doesn't happen. I would just like more mechanics for internal struggles, as we need some "historical accuracy" to stop blobbing, but of course it shouldn't be impossible, just difficult to manage if you conquer to much too fast.

[@eaglegosuperskarmor]

Since you kept bringing up game of thrones for the situation, how about a war of the roses situation? Or a more general succession crisis/claimant situation

[@G4MERM4D09]

I love that every Tinto Talk is his favourite so far.

[@jalenbirkett9568]

I love your idea of a situation for the Europeans colonizing the new world, that would be fire

[@VuleProductions]

Idk if it's really relevant or worthy of making a situation, but it would be interesting to have a situation about the breakup of the Serbian Empire, which should trigger after Dušan Silni dies and Uroš V the Weak ascends on the throne

[@Dolphin192]

2:09 "You can describe it as content that involves multiple countries over a period of time."

[@marcusaurelius4941]

It would be lovely to see terrain, climate, urbanisation, etc. all significantly affecting the impact of the Black Death. Remote villages in the Norwegian mountains were probably a lot less devastated by the plague than the Italian trading urban centers. It would be a nice contrast: when you play in highly urbanized and developed areas your entire early game is dedicated towards fighting the plague and its consequences, whereas in less developed places you can chill and slowly gain power

[@princeofthorns5541]

Rise of Timur can be situation because after the fall of the Golden Horde TImur fought with other tribes in order to get in the throne of the chagatai.

[@princeofthorns5541]

Which is historically will be accurate and we know that Timur played significant role in the Rise of Moskow knez and Partially stop the Ottomans expend in the anatolia and balkans,Also the 11 years without an proper in the Ottomans(after the battle in Ankara) can be a situation.

[@houghin]

I would want more dynamic alliance system. There was a lot of instances when some countries switched sides multiple times mid wars. I think situations can be a tool to do this. Tho I can't imagine how to balance this.

[@granddukethedan7029]

Another situation/struggle that could be present is the Baltic Crusade between the German Orders and The Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

[@Kurainuz]

A situation that would be cool would be the closure of the spice trade from asia to europe. And acording to how its played it would provide a explotation bonus or casuse a war against the country that blocked.

[@dauletshynybaev]

More late game situations is needed so people play for a long game, until the game actually supposed to end, not like eu4 when you normally play 100-200 years. It would make it more dynamic and people would be motivated to play for longer

[@horatiohornblower2412]

I think that succession wars could be a fun situation Mechanic with opposing leagues similar to like the 30 years war. So that you don't just inherit another major nation but you have to fight for that. Especially when you inherit really big nations. Best example would be the spanish succesion war where a big part of Europe was involved. I feel like in EU4 succesion wars are pretty underwhelming. You sometimes Have to fight one major nation, but it is never a real challange.

[@tigrosabertooth4757]

16:06 Gulag? seems like a very good place for the people you don't like, definitely.

[@agustintaride4642]

A situation that could be very good could be the conquest of India by the United Kingdom, involving all the nations in India and the United Kingdom. making your conquest easier if you meet some requirements

[@lightrider1878]

I would have liked to have "hospitals/sick houses" like we had in CK2 (think it was the last dlc for CK2 it came in the game). So if you don't build it sickness spreads at a normal speed. And if you build it, it reduce the spread of the plague.

[@tfljmartis]

Can Paradox please add a mechanic where occupying a location reduces the warscore cost and makes the AI much more likely to take it?

[@TheNoronist]

Ottoman should annex(most of it) Germiyanids with royal marrige and Hamidids with money in 1381(Murad the First) because it's historic and boost Ottomans at early game. It can be added as situations. Both events occur at the same time with marriage between Bayezid the First(son of Murad) and Germiyanids shah's daughter. (Hamidids sells some lands to Ottomans for 80k gold coin according to wiki)

[@mehmetkayraozer9164]

Mehmed I was the grandson of Murad. His father was Bayezid I (one who fought with Timur and lost).

[@TheNoronist]

@@mehmetkayraozer9164 Oh yeah you are right, my bad.

[@Giovanni00831]

Some other major natural events like earthquake, innondations, drought, storms that actually happened that can impact on your campain! (and maybe other random too? But Depends if u can actually doing something about)

[@benediktweyand9507]

I would like to see a situation or struggle regarding the spice trade and India.

[@rssadiwala95]

Colonial Situations are a good idea. There should be unique situations for old world colonies too (Conquest of India, Scramble for Africa, Dutch EIC etc)

[@Jean_Jacques148]

They should add Haitian revolution and Jamaican maroon wars as situations.

[@darksorcerer3236]

Launching a holy war could be a situation! Participants in attacking and defending can provide trade stuff, gold or/and independent armies

[@arthurgraz5138]

It would be interesting to see the societal and political effects of the Black Death, in part coming from its increased toll in cities compared to countryside. This led for example to a decline in the use of French in England, as it was mostly a language of power and concentrated in the cities, and this led to the transition from Middle English to Early Modern English. As mentioned by others, the consequences in terms of the power balance between labour (mostly peasants, but not only) and its parasites (nobles, burghers, clerics) were drastic: the massive die-off meant a much a higher bargaining power for labour, and thus much higher wages. It also enabled them to use the increased availability of common land to sustain themselves while waiting for good working opportunities. As such, the first Poor Laws / Statute of Laborers were introduced in England in 1349, which forced them to accept any job - except people over 60, landowners and business owners. (Ref: Health Communism, B. Adler-Bolton and A. Vierkant, 2022) If I am not mistaken, it was also around this time that the first wave of the Enclosures began.

[@SanctvarySys]

I really enjoy the way this situations thing could play out! I think my biggest comment is that, just like with much of the rest of the system, I hope that these events will not just push forwards one outcome, but instead promote some amount of variety on replay. A good example is the Red Turban Rebellion! I think it's great to have something that can shape the game state so fundamentally happen in these campaigns, so you're not always getting the same outcomes. It's similar to how I hope they work the Apanages for France so that a Burgundy like situation could arise, even if it's not Burgundy specifically. I hope Paradox includes a few situations that allow and lean for some level of ahistorical play, and find that balance between simulating history and allowing alternative, sometimes even *likely*, history to happen that never would in something like EU4

[@siondafydd]

Would the French Revolution be a late/end game situation?

[@LoFora]

I think that it would be cool if commerce was like in eu4 but you could actually be able to change the route direction based on your power, control of an area and commercial skill, so any node could eventually become an endnode if managed propely.

[@Tenvalmestr]

As situation, we could aslo have wars of successions. I can't talk for all of them, but as a Breton I know that the war between le house of Montfort and the house of Blois was also a proxy war between France and England to make sure they have an ally in the Duchy of Brittany. It wasn't about making if a dependancy, but a strong ally to help the other conflict (the 100 years war). I'm pretty sure it could apply to other succession crisis in Europe, and it would be a nice mecanic for non-historical playthrough.