United States New Longest Range Deterrent | F-16C Viper Aim-174B | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@edwardking186]

Next video: F-15C with AIM-174!

[@vindigga6]

Can you do a dog fight with these? I know its not meant for that but i would like to see how a stress test goes. How many turns till the wings break (if they do) do the wings just bend? How much do you habe to labor to make hard turns? Purely a stress test.

[@Sajuuk]

Day 2 of asking for Sopwith Camel vs F22 😂

[@numberyellow]

NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx

[@NinetyFiveBravo1775]

Any options for a night op?

[@MattWaller04]

GS: I have no SAM cover SM-6s strapped to the wings: I *am* the SAM cover

[@stcredzero]

This is how the Israelis reacted to getting the F-15. "It's like a flying SAM site!"

[@999maza]

@@stcredzero accurate description of the Eagle II

[@adamb8317]

@@999mazaif only it could fit 23 AIM-174Bs

[@flameguy8025]

The Navy in DCS was wondering where two of their aim-174b’s went until you uploaded this video

[@stcredzero]

They'd wonder. Because these things turn everything into a quasi F-14 Tomcat!

[@TRPilot06YT]

​@@stcredzero "We have Tomcat at home"

[@TheHXCfrog]

@flameguy8025 best to not ask questions.

[@3C15MAKHOYIN]

It’s 3

[@awger90210]

"... that's an old missile... don't worry about it... it's already dead..." dammit GS, you just can't be trusted. :) :) :)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hahaha yaaaaa I thought that might stress some of you out.

[@MichelVaillancourt]

Same reaction here, NGL

[@tracytrawick322]

I was among the many waiting on the least capable threat to become the most capable... just bc it was the only missile in the air at that time. Longer odds have prevailed before, but gladly not this time. "Give the guy a break, I'll assure you he's earned it"...

[@Diehard-saints-fan]

@@GrowlingSidewinder day one of asking for kf21 vs f22 or f5 vs s57 or f35 vs gyrofalcon or advark vs felon

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@Diehard-saints-fanKF-21 doesn't exist in DCS.

[@blackbuttecruizr]

Need the AIM 174 on the F15-EX

[@roijoi6963]

Poseidon, AWACS, C-130, B-52s, tankers... HumVees :)

[@themuaddib]

The F-15EX's radar with (four? six?!?!!) of these strapped to its wings sounds unfair. And I'm here for it. Imagine that plus F-22s and F-35s with AIM-260s (comparable performance to Russian and Chinese hypersonics but with much better seeker heads) fitting in the same space as an AMRAAM and then complemented by the Peregrine (similar performance as the AMRAAM but half the size/twice the carry).

[@blackbuttecruizr]

@@themuaddib the EX could probably carry 6

[@resurgam_b7]

14:11 "That's an old missile, don't worry about it. It's already dead, no energy, the seeker just sees me... No problem." *Immediately explodes? 😂 Come on man, you've got a reputation to uphold 😆

[@59thfsaviation79]

I crewed F-16's for 10 years. it can handle that missile. We ran JDAM's in IRAQ for months on the wings.

[@bobkundinger]

One AMRAAM Left!!! Enemy AWAC would have given you the ACE!!!

[@roijoi6963]

Yeah, I wondered about that oversight too.

[@christopherreed4723]

So is the A-50, but he's not complaining. 😂

[@carrier-buff]

One thing I find interesting g is the interservice rivalry effecting the use and deployment of both the AIM-174B and AIM-260. From what I know, there is concern in the Navy that for the first 2-3 years of it production run, the Airforce is going to hog all the AIM-260's for itself and the Navy will receive small, infrequent delivery's of the missile. That is one of the main reasons it developed the AIM-174B, not only does it have a massive range exceeding that of the AIM-260 (albeit it is very large and cumbersome), but it is a Navy missile and the Navy controls who gets it. What we are likely to see is the Navy will have a near monopoly on the AIM-174B and it's future developments while the Airforce will have a near monopoly on the AIM-260 and it's developments, trading with each other for the others missile to get a balanced loadout.

[@BaBaYaga1999-p7u]

Well said.

[@charlesrichardson8635]

Remember the SM-6 and AIM-174B are multirole missiles. That means they have more SM-6 type missiles not having to be in Vertical Launch Containers but still usable by the fleet AEGIS systems! The VLC's can run out and then you go home, but if you use a pile of AIM-174's on F18 SH you have a much longer time in theater before leaving. It will be interesting to see the exact tactics the Navy comes up with. The 174B has a 148 lbs warhead that can strike a specific area in a target ship or jet or ballistic missile. So not so much a rival idea to the AIM 260 which has to fit in stealth bays for the USAF.

[@seanchang1202]

Get the SM-6s the Navy already have on hand and modify them for air launch is a brilliant way to bring back the Navy long lost ability since AIM-54s retired.

[@roijoi6963]

John Boyd reported exactly this silly rivalry in the 1970s. Not sure if anything has changed or not.

[@roijoi6963]

@@charlesrichardson8635 Super, excellent point about no at-sea reloading of RIM-6, but AIM-174s are good to go night and day. Also, ceiling on -174 is greater than 110,000ft. Good luck hiding in the hills from that.

[@lanceloyer9147]

Unusual for you to win the fight and then not go pluck to wings off the AWACS.

[@amircidin]

Very rare indeed😂

[@DownHereInChile]

I love how 174 = 120+54

[@TeeFunkable]

Hmm, I seem to recall hearing about a nation that recently received some vipers, a nation who are somewhat known for jury-rigging absolutely everything and making it work and who also happen to fly missions that are pretty much all about standoff range due to heavy sam coverage near the frontlines. I wonder what would happen if they found a few shipments worth of SM-6's and maybe some instructional suggestions to go with them?

[@nightstorm9128]

They would do nothing,,Because another certain nation obliterated all the F16s in there hangers ,,Not one even made it off the ground,,So much for your toy airplanes,

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

Now just imagine a B-21 Raider carrying 8 AIM-174B's. By the time your adversary found out about it, it would be over with already.

[@namyun2743]

That's a scary thought. Assuming the AIM-174Bs weren't too long and fit in the internal bay, a B-21 could conceivably carry a full dozen of them, mayb emore. She'd be a real aerial sniper.

[@galacticdragon3607]

Agree and maybe spice the kill factor with either F-35 or F-15EX escorts versus SU-35s???

[@I-02]

@@namyun2743 The SM-6 *with the external booster* is 0.5 ft shorter than AGM-183, which can fit within a B-21.

[@roijoi6963]

@@namyun2743 BONE-R would be epic. B1A Mach 2.2 speed and 75,000 lbs of hate! 20+ if only limited by weight.

[@wilinstonthompson1352]

Man A B-21 gun truck , a F-35 providing targeting and a wedge tail in the rear for BF management ! Man we could actually defend Taiwan in a peer to peer

[@pranavghantasala6808]

I love when you do missions with the SM-6, mainly because watching that _massive_ thing launch off the rail is the most satisfying thing ever

[@sol2wit781]

The F-16 fighting falcon is a jet that is no joke and you should not be messing with!

[@j4s0n39]

With the Viper's limited radar, you _definitely_ need AWACS or F-35 datalink to provide a firing solution and target tracking to get the benefit of the AIM-174B.

[@ElGringo21]

I would assume it would be using the APG-83 instead of the -68

[@Shadowboost]

APG-83 would see a Su-35 from around that range

[@Yonada]

Strapping it to the F-15C with it's amazing radar sounds even better, GS! Not to mention it's a much heftier plane and can probably more comfortably carry the missiles.

[@JAEUFM]

Tomcat pilots are jumping in the air, waving their arms, screaming 'Me, Me, Me', I bet.

[@Pikilloification]

More like Super F18 pilots

[@crazedpilot747]

Put it on the E! That thing probably has the single best radar in DCS!

[@TheBillyBlack]

How about a modernized F-14??

[@dl6519]

I'm starting to understand why the F-15EX is the Air Force's new darling. How many SM-6's can it carry? And, how far away can it get a radar lock? Yeah. It's going to be like a flying Arleigh Burke.

[@adamb8317]

It can probably only carry 4 but it has a total of 23 missile hard points 😂

[@MotionlessParadox]

Thanks for always repping the beautiful viper, brother. Any chance we'll see more block 70/72 in the future 👀

[@braunjackson6384]

0:52 That’s crazy seeing the wings flex that’s some good detail

[@RRex_501]

Please fly the new Aim-174 against an Eurofighter with Meteors. Love your vids! ❤

[@jeffmonson2073]

I was hoping you were gonna go polish off their AWACS as a final insult!

[@michaelwparks]

So what makes the -174 special is that it can be directed by multiple data link sources. The range is absolutely 200 miles, and that's achievable because the plane can launch it with no radar contact, but a more forward radar location can pick up the missiles data link and guide it in before it goes Pitbull. If command and control has to be passed along more than once that is also an option. Making long range missiles is easy, communicating with one accurately beyond line of sight is much harder.

[@Universal_exports87]

That's absolutely hilarious you started tipping after you fired the first one 😂😂😂😂😂

[@spider_corsa]

The best example to explain the missile launch parameters is like the slingshot or more similar analogy is shooting an arrow with a bow.

[@roijoi6963]

Interesting. Explain.

[@darkphoenix2]

The F-16V will have two additional pylons freed up thanks to the CFTs. Even if they weren't these big fat bois, I wonder how its aerodynamics are affected by carrying 8 AMRAAMS...

[@cjcolehour2778]

unfortunately, it doesn't look like the usaf (or navy really) are going to be using cfts any time in the future.

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@cjcolehour2778the USAF uses CFTs on the F-15E.

[@ArchAngel-FJB]

The SM-6 is capable of reaching 150+ miles when launched from a ship. It's also capable of being guided by data link. It's a very impressive missile with a lot of potential uses.

[@mylesjaedin1154]

would love to see this missle with either the F15C or F15E platforms. Would love to see the missle + radar combo

[@namyun2743]

F-15C might not be able to handle that chonky boy. The F-15E should be able.

[@MattWaller04]

Think you could get 4 of them on a F-15E?

[@davidvgus]

YAAS!

[@namyun2743]

@@MattWaller04 Maybe more.

[@temporalrift1427]

mass-wise, i think strapping two AIM-174Bs onto an F-16 is perfectly doable. if you consider that an f-16 can drag two 2,000lb bombs around, and that the SM-6 weighs about 1,500lbs after the Mk 72 booster is removed (as we see here in the AIM-174B), there shouldn't really be anything physically stopping the air force from hitting up the navy and being like "hey AIM-260 is taking too damn long hook us up with some SM-6"

[@MGAFFY]

It honestly looks like the aim-174b was made to fit the f-16 lol

[@ConnieShearer-g1m]

Another point you might have made about “maximum range” is that the maximum “burn time” of the motor is only a fraction of the max range, so after that it’s only “coasting”, and having to maneuver eats away at its range. Perhaps that’s a reason that they usually “loft” early in flight: if it had to climb during the “coasting” phase, it would quickly bleed off ALL its energy.

[@grimmWednesday]

Clever switcheroo showing us the mig kill after saying “we should be ok” 😂

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

You've still got an AMRAAM, the sky is clear and you didn't go after the AWACS?

[@andersjjensen]

He still had his GUN and the sky was clear. Sawing the enemy AWACS in half with the gun, after clearing out the fighters, is like fckn the captain of the cheerleaders of the opposing team after giving them an egg.

[@zebpeep1390]

He forgor

[@galacticdragon3607]

Very well done with F-16 and demonstrated the possibilities.

[@azamatismailov1438]

Forgot the A-50! Nooo!

[@HammerHead0908]

Video Suggestion: Now that the UKR Air Force has gotten ahold of its own F-16s, perhaps a mission in F-16AM in a ground attack role would be nice. Perhaps with older AIM-120B AMRAAMs that they are allegedly equipped with would be interesting. Mixture of A2G with HARMs and bombs and also A2A. Thanks GS!

[@MM-kv8ly]

I was sure you would get shwacked after boasting that the final missile was out of energy and was no danger.

[@Upper_Hutt_Bogan]

And the enemy AWAC..? You had dinner, now its pudding time!

[@levidotson6610]

This reminds me of an old project the air force worked on trying to mount Patriot missiles under the f-15

[@variabl3]

Um... hey bub. You have one AMRAAM left. Wouldn't you like to notch an A-50 on your hull? ;)

[@theak1910]

Public estimates I've seen put the AIM-174 at ~1800lb, so the F-16 will probably be able to carry these on a station that can carry a 2000lb bomb. It would absolutely have to be flown very carefully in CAT III while they're still on the wings though.

[@JacksonBohne]

bro i love your videos its been a fantastic 6 years

[@JosiasPira]

Great fight ! The AIM-174B really levels the playing field. Just a bit surprised you didn't go for the AWACS kill after splashing them all.

[@grahamdrew5512]

LOL the AIM174B outranges the F16's radar range! It would need AWACS for final link guidance...

[@conneroliver5001]

I think that's what the navy has planned, since the f18s radar wont be able to use full potential of the missile, the f35s are gonna be lot closer guiding them in on some data link or sumn

[@natedetailscars]

Who knew MiG 29s were so good at catching telephone poles?

[@BladeKi11a]

Still waiting for GS to drop his version of the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”

[@yono367]

I loved that mission as a kid but going back to it, its funny how incompetent the "Migs" were (they were flankers lmao)

[@derloos]

Hold on, didn't you forget their AWACS?

[@jamesshand4116]

Can’t remember where I saw it but I’m remembering a f16 pilot talking about the air to ground load outs they would have on the f16 and how he had to blip the after burner to keep up with the aerial tanker, I’m saying this to say that the f16 can carry a pretty big payload and most likely can employ multiple SM-6s. Love to see it

[@riskin620]

I thought one of the advantages of the 174B was that it could receive guidance from other assets, like surface ships, AWACS, or other aircraft. I'd love to see you leverage those capabilities of the missile rather than waiting for your own radar lock.

[@incvd]

Did the missile even detonate? Looked like the first MiG just got sledge-hammered by the kinetic force alone! lol

[@pidilutz]

How about the F-15 with the Aim-174B against the Eurofighter Typhoon with the Meteors?

[@adspie]

i Want to see F15EX carry those AIM174B

[@GenKi.13]

Great video as always ! Would have loved a TacView on this fight

[@realitysux_0128]

Holy cow! Firing that single AIM-174 reminded me of what bench pressing with one missing plate looks like😳

[@johnkruton9708]

I knew it was coming and I still flinched “Gods 1 Finger ☠️ Death Punch”🥊

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

The missile look absolutely massive on the F-16! My guess is the F-16 could carry two of them - it regularly carries good size bombs.

[@charlesrichardson8635]

Thanks for the very clear description of what and why you are doing things! Though the sim didn't see to do a good job of what a 148 lbs warhead would do to a jet! Also the max range from a surface launch is actually the AEGIS systems of multiple DD's leading it in. How did you know that energy of that last 77M was gone?

[@user-tl5fi9lz9z]

I’d have gone after the A-50, too

[@kflanders2826]

Rolling out with 1 AMRAAM left. Still armed. 😎

[@curtisbartlett8170]

Awww! Forgot the awacs. Good job !

[@AngryMan540]

this missile and the f16 XL would be scary

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

Dude, that F-16 looked sick with the AIM-174B-SM6-Telegraph pole stuck to the wings. Looked cool how the wings were moving. Awesome video as usual brother. Not blowing wind up your ass lol but I haven't seen one shit video on your channel man, and as you know, I've been subscribed and watching for a fair few years now. Glad I found it dude.

[@davisc1926]

Can't wait to see the video of the AIM-174B on an F-15C/E!!

[@snakeplissken1754]

A nice long and girthy object designed to penetrate hostile airspace and free an enemy pilot from the restraints of his cockpit. Such loving care.

[@themuaddib]

It's not the plane. It's not the pilot. It's the missiles. At this point I feel like you could strap some SM-6s on a Sopwith Camel and, assuming that an AWACS or datalink F-35 could guide, it could be combat capable in 2024.

[@lord_kerman]

The chances of your Felon losing a BVR fight to a Sopwith Camel are low, but never 0.

[@hermanlopez2945]

Great work GS

[@hanibelsoun9370]

Great video!!!! Thank you!!!!

[@Canthus13]

Firing telephone poles from a Viper. It's like Viet Nam SAMs strapped to a jet.

[@death2all79zx]

Improved Phoenix

[@muratbozkurt5967]

They weigh around 890 kg so you could compare them with Mk-84's and carry them on the same pylons.... so you're fine :)..... there is an extensive analysis of the range by "Millennium 7 * HistoryTech".....

[@joshuagarcia874]

In terms of weight, I compared them to HARMS

[@woistwalter7037]

Great video! It would be interesting to see you on the other side, defending Aim-174Bs. There should be no way to get into R-77 range, so im curious if there is a solution....

[@scottwhitley3392]

Imagine with F-15EX with 4 of these, 6 AMRAAMs and 6 Sidewinders

[@piuxie]

You like them big... the missiles.

[@jackschumacher8472]

Hopefully the Airforce trys this. Would definitely increase the aircarfts lethality. Thanks for the video.

[@randyjohnson5426]

I love this channel! Im not even a gamer but ive learned so much pilot terms just watching. Any chance of installing guns on the AWACS and let them fight each other? I think that would entertaining as hell.

[@captaincipher]

10:17 the missile knows where it is at all times

[@droppedpasta]

Great! Little disappointed you didn’t go knock some engines off the awacs though

[@EB-Ghost6]

I love the missile cam

[@Registered_Simp]

Dawg, we need to start getting some tac-view footage of those 174's. Those two impacts were at diabolical speeds 💀

[@user-zu7fr8qm8r]

What no "Its an old missle it will be fine." Followed by a black kia screen? A good day indeed.

[@Retep86]

That is one big chungus of a missile

[@stevelyons2195]

I like how the f-16s wings wobble mid flight. Look like they will fall off

[@702BattleBorn]

Yo GS, hope things are well. Great video as always. How about the Cat with SM6? Thanks have a pleasant. Cheers

[@Garian9]

F-15EX with as many Aim-174Bs as you can fit vs anything.

[@maxlin3442]

6?

[@xanokothe]

With a laser guider, cool!

[@levidotson6610]

I’m amazed the f-16 can even lift a missile that heavy

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 83

[@DavidK-Delta]

Ok, now we all need to see a pair of F15EX's with aim174 vs 4 J20 mighty dragons... 🤩🤩

[@johnneiberger7311]

Good god, those are massive missiles.

[@TheUberSchattenjager]

Imagine a world with an F-15 radar and 4 174's

[@billedwardz]

I was rooting for that last mig. Brutal lol

[@BooneFinn]

"I'm old, not obsolete"

[@miltechmoto]

@GrowlingSidewinder It seems the only limitation is the range of the f16s radar. That missile locked up with half the candle stick already ready. But is there any reason you didnt launch both missiles and track both targets at the same time instead of one at a time?

[@JAGRAFX]

We see the Navy is using the SM-6 on its F/A-18 aircraft for a 200 mile stick.

[@busterdee8228]

Launch 174 = instant crank.

[@Cornerstone-bk8vl]

I would like to see the AIM 174 against the Mighty Dragon please!

[@the_algo_rhythm]

That Viper was looking mighty chonky.

[@ericsantana8337]

look at em their beautiful!

[@andersjjensen]

What? You didn't even pay that A-50 a personal visit and saw it in half with the gun! You be slacking on the job! :P

[@roberts9095]

This thing would be absolutely filthy on the F-15