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[@TheSteveKinney]

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[@katrina_burgoyne]

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[@pamelak.4794]

"If you had a sign above every studio door saying, 'This Studio is a Musical Instrument,' it would make such a different approach to recording." - Brian Eno Keep up the great work you are doing.... you are using your instruments very well!

[@TheSteveKinney]

You always have the best quotes.

[@kristiyanaowens5452]

Your videos are so helpful!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks Kristiyana! Cheers!

[@MrMuppetbaby]

I'm going to be Manavigating really quickly! Thanks Steve for the new term. Love your channel. Tod :)

[@TheSteveKinney]

Ha ha 😂🤣 get I get a time stamp where I coined this term! Ha ha Cheers Tod!

[@MrMuppetbaby]

At 3:10 Steve introduces us to a new term Manavigating! I love it it's for us men only! I liked & subscribed for his great content but this is a bonus. :) Tod

[@TheSteveKinney]

😂🤣🤣 I’m dead. Seriously. That’s amazing. Didn’t notice this before.

[@EdMcCraeMusic]

Just made the switch from ProTools and I'm loving it! There are a handful of features I'm missing but none are deal breakers and all have workarounds.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Totally! And the sound is a million times better for sure.

[@ROJAYXSHIY]

Great info and love the cinematography!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers Rojay!

[@CarstenGoeke]

Super interesting. Luna is my goto DAW. thanks and greetz ✌🏼

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks so much mate! Luna is my go to also... the sounds are just so analogue, it's crazy. cheers!

[@jeremy_woods]

Just diving into your content and love it! I’ve had a Black Lion modded X6 for a couple years now, but I’m a staunch Cubase user for film scoring. I really really wish Luna would make an option to open midi in a full screen mode rather than the extra steps of blowing it up in the main window. For most composers, that gets a screen of its own.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks so much for the kind words mate! Ya - I’d be stoked if they keep coding out Luna to be more user specific. Take the idea of views further by going into task based views. Such as, composer, recording engineer, mix engineer etc You use different tools and shortcuts for each - and different visual tools. No reason you couldn’t do something unique like that.

[@katrina_burgoyne]

Great job Steve!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks for watching.

[@ccna4noobz547]

Cool video! I ❤️ this DAW ☮️

[@HuttyTheKid]

Hey man I appreciate your work! I find the “In The Mix” KZbin channel extremely captivating in terms of edits, organization and speed. Short and sweet. Although it’s FL tutorials, I thought I’d throw that channel out because your potential is great. Being eventful is extremely key. Keep acting young and be exciting. Those types of people are the ones that make it the highest in the music industry!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Hutty! Great tip! I love that channel, he's got a ton of awesome content. He's been doing it for quite a while and definitely a great model of success on YT. I appreciate the kind words and will certainly do my best to follow this advice! Thanks so much, cheers!

[@murfmusik3407]

Here your brilliant man. Fair play to you. Great help that info. Great looking video too. Keep these coming!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Murf thanks for the kind words! Plenty more Luna insights in the future, cheers! Thanks for your support!

[@joeytorresmusic5831]

Been using LUNA for a few months. I've switched over to using it full time now, and these videos really help understanding the work flow. Keep up the LUNA vids !! Nice job.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Joey! Great to hear, and glad to see ya in the comments. I’ll be making a ton of Luna videos for the foreseeable future. Join me on my live-streams on Monday’s where I mix in Luna and answer questions live. Cheers!

[@strykeback1]

Great video. I was hard-core with cubase and protools back in the day but after a 10 year hiatus I jumped into Luna since it was a freebie with the new interface. Hoping they improve their midi editing as well as video support for film scoring. Contemplating grabbing Logic for writing and then exporting audio out to Luna for the summing and tape plugins

[@TheSteveKinney]

Man, that's a crazy long hiatus! I'm glad you've made a comeback - just at the right time. Luna is legendary. It's not a bad idea to pick up logic for this reason - a lot of people are doing it. I'm sure it's not gonna be long though before the major hot topics things are fixed in Luna. They are improving a breakneck speeds. That said - I picked up an NVMe ssd to do all my Luna projects on until they get the session management under control, but I haven't looked back since. The midi stuff is interesting, I plan on doing a video on this for Luna. What's you're midi setup? Do you sync a bunch of external hardware? or simple keyboard kinda setup? Just wondering what kinda things I should make sure to cover on this. Cheers and thanks for the support! -Steve

[@strykeback1]

@@TheSteveKinney I'm using multiple arturia keyboard controllers with a ton of soft synth libraries. (Something I didn't anticipate was not having midi on the apollo compared to my digi 002R and a korg triton ProX from earlier years) One thing I'm hoping to see in Luna is a clips or samples folder off to the side like you would find in PT, logic or ableton. Trying to drop a bunch of groove tracks in to get some song ideas hasn't been as seamless of a process but I like forward to the vids.

[@STRUB]

Same here! But I was last using Vegas. I've moved from PC to Mac as well.

[@ijuswannatlk2sampson889]

Really stoked to stumble upon your channel as I too am starting to use Luna more & more. I primarily use ableton 11 for composition but I love the recording in aspect and mixdown in Luna. I still am trying to grasp the new workflow and this video will help big time for me trying to get over the learning curve of the basics, thanks

[@TheSteveKinney]

So cool to hear this! Glad you’ve found my channel helpful. I just made a Luna basics series you might find useful too. Uploading a few over the next few days. One today for sure. Luna rules! Cheers mate!

[@tunemxr480]

Bravo!

[@jayl5941]

Good stuff, just jumping into Luna and this world so your videos have been helpful. On this I definitely understood how to do a virtual track, but don't really understand why it's useful.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks Jay! I certainly will continue making Luna videos as I go. Virtual channels are great for printing tracks in real time to save dsp - just like you would with outboard gear.

[@martaselinda7126]

Great stuff bro, keep up the great content, looking forward to the next video!! Also appreciate the preset pack!

[@TheSteveKinney]

You got it Marta, thank you for the support, means the world! Cheers!

[@versuswhat]

hey Steve - great video, & super timely! Would love to see how you use - if at all - third-party instruments like EZD2 or Kontakt etc within Luna.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Vikram, Thanks for watching and for the suggestion. I have a planned video in the works about how I use Midi with Luna. I actually realllyyy love the built in sounds, but I do use some Kontakt and a ton of EZD2. I'm planning on making a video about the workflow and shortcuts. Cheers!

[@immanuelrajtony7541]

Hope u will reach 1million Soon!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Me too! Thanks for the support!

[@royalemuzikproductionz]

Great channel 🎉🎉🎉.Hi Steve I’m a seasoned Ableton user for12 yrs now but as I started taking mixing a bit more seriously there are some things I don’t like in Ableton and found much better results in Luna. However my pickle is bouncing out all tracks individually from projects in Ableton. There’s no button to bypass all plugins and trust me it’s a bleeding experience to do a 17 track album that was solely produced in Ableton.with Luna working with Templates seems nice as this is my custom in Ableton however I could drag whatever I wanted into whatever project I have going on from my browser view in Ableton even effects. If that’s something you do in Luna please feel free to share the process. Cheers

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yeah - you can drag in things from outside of the program like wav files, but not really effects. Just doesn’t work like that. That said - lunas export features are IMO the best out there.

[@IntheDAW]

im new to the apollo platform since why not my pc has thunderbolt 3. I really dig your content man its great stuff so ill be binge watching. and Ill take a look at your luna stuff to check out for my mac mini

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks so much! I haven’t met many people who have been unhappy with their Apollo - so I’m sure you’re gonna really dig all the detail they really put into it. Many more videos to come! I appreciate the support and thanks for watching! Any recommendations as to what you might like to see next? Cheers.

[@szunabass]

One of the most annoying things I've found in Luna that markers are for song structure - counter to a marker is for any part of a wave clip, what I wanna sign for any reasons. Studio One has a way better method for this. Another issue that cannot find any shortcut for jumpin between markers ahead and back , in Windows beta release at least.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@szunabass ahhh.. hmmm. I know that I can bounce around from marker to marker on Mac, I think it literally is a windows thing that will likely be resolved. As with any cross platform software, the goal is a 1 to 1 software port. So I’m sure it’s coming. But I feel ya!

[@gabriel_facedown]

Can you change the overall key commands layout to another DAW preset? AND what type of third party plug in formats does LUNA take if it even does let you do so?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Great question, not possible for now. No telling if they are working to implement this. As far as plugins, it loads AU’s just like any other daw.

[@chanelmyers9753]

I’ve been following for awhile now and I am slowly learning! These are great videos. One big question I’m hoping someone in this community can help with. When I export, there is no sound lol. What am I missing?! Im just trying to export the final sound as mp3 but im clearly missing something. Thanks in advance.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Make sure that when you export you choose the proper “source” The default source is “main”. Hopefully this helps. 😎👍🏻 Lemme know how you go Chanel.

[@CDEENT]

Hello and thanks for the great tutorial you put out. I was wondering if you do have mentor mixing session One on one and how do you charge?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yup! At my website - you can find the mentor session product and it says to email me. So. To save you a trip, shoot me an email at [e-mail] I’d be happy to share all the details there. Cheers!

[@patrickwilliams1886]

Thank you for the vid. Is there a way nudge audio in Luna with short cut keys

[@TheSteveKinney]

I don't believe so - although If I had to guess this is likely something right around the corner, they implemented the sample delay feature which I'd imagine is a precursor to that feature.

[@HomeRecordingMadeEasy]

Most of these short cuts are the same in Pro Tools. U/A I’m sure did this by design to make some one thinking about moving away from Pro Tools easier to Luna.

[@TheSteveKinney]

I’d say it would be a solid smart design decision! Great tip though for those watching the comments section! For everyone reading this comment - go check out home recording made Easy’s channel - TONS of great stuff over there! Cheers!

[@Hearthmusic]

Great video, I’m still trying to make the switch. Just wish console wasn’t involved! Anyway, I was curious on which desk that is? and any idea idea where to get it:)

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Mate! This desk is a custom build that I did with my father. Don’t really have any schematics or anything. But it’s two 5-rack space buckets, with a little compartment in the center. Just about 49” wide. Roughly 16” of desktop space, with about 13” monitor shelf. Cheers!

[@Hearthmusic]

@@TheSteveKinney Thanks Steve, looks great. I might have to do the same and just build one. Ive used a producers cart rack for outboard gear and I would much prefer the outboard gear to be in the desk like that. And at an angle! super helpful. But they r quite spendy online:) Also, seems like you finally made the switch to Luna, so Ill dive back into your current videos and see if I can finally be done with PT..My biggest beef with Luna was the bounce features. It would take all day to make a simple MP3 bounce or WAV..but that was a ways back. We’ll see:) thanks

[@athuairush235]

Are you still doing a Mastering in LUNA video? Thanks!!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

In my part 3 of “making a song in Luna” I go through what I did for mastering. If you are looking for a tutorial - join me on my live mix Monday’s livestream this up coming Monday. We can talk about it then! Be sure to watch the Luna series. I’ve also migrated to Luna entirely. So there will be plenty of Luna videos in the future - as well as more mastering topics. Cheers Athuai !

[@athuairush235]

Ok, I'll check out your previous video & keep the live stream in mind, for sure! Thanks!!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@athuairush235 let me know what topics specifically within mastering you want to cover.

[@athuairush235]

Yeah, thanks, it would be best levels for digital release, also best levels (if not the same) for CD, vinyl & cassette release. & I guess proper gain-staging, balancing, EQing, compression etc. leading up to that to get the most dynamic, punch, groove & apparent loudness @ that release level, making it competitive w/mainstream releases, thanks!!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@athuairush235 aaahhhh! YES, we could cover a lot of this in the livestream for sure. I could, and will likely do a video on this. It's much easier talk informally on livestream. For a video - I'd like to be. a lot more organized. Which takes a lot more planning. Stay tuned!

[@badgerfactory]

so far doesn't work well...one zoom recorder I can hear...mics don't get through....tried all the videos....no luck. apollo 8, Austin mic, sm 58, tc helicon, Akai Force, Casio keyboard, Ibanez electric prestige...nothing

[@GuitarandCoffeeShow]

Hey Steve, Nice channel, mate. I also use Apollo and I would like to try out LUNA. However, there are 2 little things holding me back based on a video you say "do not switch to LUNA yet". 1) I think my FaderPort is not compatible (yet) and it is a big part of my workflow. 2) Toontrack EZdrummer. I could not find anything about the (in)compatibility on the Toontrack website. Any news on these points? Stay safe, Cheers Marcos

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey Marcos! Thanks so much for watching and for your comments, & questions. I've been blown away with how fast the Dev team has pushed out updates, and since making this video, I took the plunge and switched! I'm now a producer/engineer that works exclusively in Luna now. It's a fun program, and they have fixed a ton of things. On their Office hours, they showed a preview of control surface support, it's definitely coming soon. I couldn't tell how soon from the video. Faderpoint would definitely be compatible, as they are bringing MCU support. Toontrack, EZX definitely works, I primarily use that myself. So you won't find anything that says it's incompatible, because it IS compatible. However, they still don't have multichannel output Instrument support. So if you liked to send the signals from the internal EZ Mix engine to individual faders inside of your DAW mixer.. That's currently not a possibility through the standard method. Not the biggest deal in the world, since you can work around it. Most of the time, I don't need to - it was just nice to grab a fader with my hands when I wanted to change a level. No telling when this one is actually coming to Luna. But again, the program runs great on it's own. Thanks for watching Marcos! Cheers!

[@GuitarandCoffeeShow]

@@TheSteveKinney oh man, thanks a lot for so detailed answer... I’ll definitely try it out. Greetings from a Brazilian guy living in Dubai. Stay safe 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@GuitarandCoffeeShow Brazil and Dubai. A man of great travels and culture! Cheers buddy!

[@cameraramblings4107]

HI, Are you still using Luna? Or are you having the same issues as me with it being buggy and keeps cracking and popping. I’ve done what i can to fix the issue but as yet no luck.

[@TheSteveKinney]

100% still using it. I don’t have problems whatsoever - outside of not having great outboard gear support. No pops or anything. I’m still on Catalina though - a big problem people have in the creative field is updating software. It’s kind of the last thing you ever wanna do. If you’re computer is pre-2020 and you’re on whatever the hell OS apple has this week - you’re problem likely is that. Next time you buy a new device - keep it on that OS unless you absolutely HAVE to update. If that’s not the case - it might be a particular plugin - maybe waves. They seem to have shitty compatibility on purpose. Idk. Hope this helps brotha! Cheers!

[@kpnutz52]

When printing back in with the virtual channels you said just press R to record back in... Freudian Slip.. Also when comping isnt it best that you think of your comps as Versions and the actual recordings as Takes. Comping from Takes to Versions. Just to help with work flow/visual guide... Just take a little more time to proof check content before its rushed out. Ala not being ready with your virtual Channels in the beginning..

[@TheSteveKinney]

Ahh yes. The muscle memory. Saying “r” - certainly the point was what’s important here, understanding that you’re recording the sound back in as a wav. As far as comping, I think it doesn’t matter what you call it - as long as you understand what’s actually going on. In Luna each take is called a version. And you have to manually build them together in another new version. (As I’m sure you know, just clarifying for anyone following the thread) I feel you with your final point, though I wanted to keep that in there so that people see how to do it - and trouble shooting steps. The truth is - I’m always bouncing from different configurations - as well as Daws. It could have been edited - but just figured it was more beneficial - especially if someone has experienced that and didn’t know how to fix it. Final side note: I don’t actually edit my own videos. I have an editor - who also is learning from my content while she edits. So sometimes she keeps things from her perspective. Keep the constructive criticism coming brotha!! I appreciate the support, and will continue to do my best to make each video better. Thanks Chris, Cheers!

[@kpnutz52]

@@TheSteveKinney and if anything sounded negative It wasn't meant to be I like the vids. I have learnt some things :)

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@kpnutz52 oh no, I didn’t take it negatively, I appreciate the feedback and I feel they were great points! Thanks! I’m glad you got some takeaways from the vids too, thanks for all the support!

[@dspoet1]

Look into using timestamps in your videos.

[@TheSteveKinney]

A lot of my videos have them. I’ll have to double back on this one though. Some of them I do - and some of them my editor does, probably just got starts crossed! Thanks for the heads up and for watching brotha! Cheers mate!

[@musictech5789]

what "function key" you talking about bro? All I have is F1, F2, F3 etc etc....

[@TheSteveKinney]

If you have a standard Mac keyboard It’s in the bottom left corner “fn” key

[@Moroccan_Dunes-Sirocco_Tunes]

Dude thank you for your efforts but please treat your room. Early reflections etc ...

[@TheSteveKinney]

Watch my studio rebuild video. 😉 All of my earlier videos were filmed in my studio apartment downtown. Was never going to treat that because it was my main living space. And I knew I was gonna move out. It didn’t make any sense to do it. Cheers mate!!

[@tomeucaldentey6166]

works luna with beringer x-touch control? thanks!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Control surfaces is not available yet. However, UA confirmed on an Office Hours episode that it will be available at some point shortly. It supports MCU protocol - so the Behringer x-touch will definitely work! Looking forward to it's release for sure. Cheers Tomeu, thanks for watching! Be sure to subscribe, I will make a video on this with Luna as soon as it's released. Best, Steve

[@tomeucaldentey6166]

@@TheSteveKinney thanks steve!

[@immanuelrajtony7541]

Hii Steve Im using focusrite 4i4., I want to upgrade my audio interface to next level. Do suggest me a Good Audio interface...

[@TheSteveKinney]

I wouldn’t look anywhere else outside of Universal Audio interfaces. Unless there is something super specific that you need.

[@immanuelrajtony7541]

@@TheSteveKinney Steve can u suggest me which model can I buy from Universal Audio..??

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@immanuelrajtony7541 Well. I’d say it really depends on your needs. If you plan on being completely in the box - you’d be good with a twin or solo. If you wanna get more complex routing and I/o then you’d wanna go with one of the rackmounts like the x8 or x8p I personally - as a pro - use the x8, twin x, and then the solo for when I travel. Best, Steve

[@iamvelour]

Hey Steve, great video. Are you still using Luna or did you switch back to logic? Anything you miss from logic if your still in luna? Ive been going back and fourth between logic and luna but I think im going to stay fully in luna now.

[@TheSteveKinney]

I will never. Ever. Go back to logic. I hate it in almost every regard. Only feature I miss is the external hardware / I/O plugin support, I’m sure that’s coming to Luna, but when is the bigger question. Logic is just soooo hard to work in, IMHO. Id buy a full license of pro tools HDX and an accel card ($6000 investment 😂 ) before I consider going back to logic.

[@iamvelour]

@@TheSteveKinney 😂 I feel u. I’m very disappointed in Logic Pro 11. I thought it would be a major update fixing so many things but it didn’t. After using Luna logic feels archaic and kind of clunky. Luna feels so fresh and full of life with the constant updates it gets.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@iamvelour my ONLY downside is that it’s SUPER clear at this point that UA is almost exclusively focused on trying to pigeon hole everyone into their software ecosystem - which is why the hardware insert thing is so painful to me. The ironic part is that it’s almost making their own hardware (1176, La2a) pointless to buy… you can tie them into their OWN recording system lol 🤦🏻‍♂️ … are they telling us we don’t need to buy their hardware? I get it, things take time… but aye.

[@iamvelour]

@@TheSteveKinney I thought about that too. Seems like being that they do hardware emulation they don’t see the need to use hardware inserts in Luna. I’m sure it’s gotta be coming though especially if they ever want Luna to really compete with protools. It’s been like 4 years though and I know things take time but I feel like that should have been a day one feature. I would also like logic comping and protools playlisting.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@iamvelour hmmmmm. Pro tools playlisting on a track is basically versions in Luna. Now I personally don’t like logics comping. It locks me into looking rather than listening. But that’s just me. And yeah - hardware inserts HAS to be there… should have been day 1. But I’m starting to think there is some sort of limitation with the Apollos as they are to integrate hardware inserts… or again, they are purposefully not including it, so people buy their plugins. Which IMO is a bullshit business practice lol The plugins are good enough that they don’t need any sort of forced buying mechanic… which leads me to believe that their leadership has hired the wrong people who don’t know their own customers. It’s been a strange few years for UA. that’s for sure.

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

Yeah. I'd love to get started. But LUNA is STILL not ready for M1? I've been waiting. And waiting. And waiting. They've taken far too long compared to dozens of smaller companies. I have no confidence going forward with such a company. I'm sticking with Studio One. Too bad they can't get it together. Looks like a quality product in other ways.

[@TheSteveKinney]

It’s approved for m1..

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

@@TheSteveKinney I was just at the website. Still only for Rosetta. 😞

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 ya - idk mate ... help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057137692-Apple-Silicon-M1-M2-Compatibility-Info The only thing I have that still seems to be Rosetta is melodyne, weirdly. And the SSL UF8 control app. All other my installs on my Mac m1 have been a legitimate without any notice of Rosetta requirement.

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

@@TheSteveKinney It's a 'work around'. I'll wait till they get it right. Or not... 😉

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 how is it a work around? 😅... I literally don’t run any UA software in rosetta.. I mean. I’m not trying to get ya to do anything you don’t wanna do, I’m just trying to understand.

[@68Snaps]

"STUIDO" mug... Really???

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@68Snaps haha you know you gotta love it!

[@68Snaps]

@@TheSteveKinney No one else seems to have noticed your drummer's mug. Does it go to 11? ;-)