UNLOCK AUTOMATION with Side-Chain GATES on your CROWD MICS

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@RyanMonette 2 ай бұрын

Hi there! I just so happen to be the one that mixed the sermons for Elevation Church which would end up on KZbin/Podcast/TBN/etc. I have an older video on my channel of my older process mixing sermons. The sermons are mixed in post production and my older process did indeed have me ride the crowd mics down when Furtick would dig in. Nowadays I do something similar you’re describing here with side-chaining a compressor on my crowd bus, but I still ride the fader for the crowd bus for the entire length of each sermon. Giving a person touch brings the sermon to life. Side note, the quality of the microphones being used matters to and how much SPL they can handle. That with a high pass filter set at lest at 250hz. Mine’s around 300hz. Let me know if you have any questions!

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks for the comment and real-life insight. The more I thought about the production team at Elevation I did figure there was someone riding faders, but I’ve been trying to find a way to automate it as much as possible for my venue. I’d love to find a time to pick your brain about processes and techniques you’ve found successful.

@alkram7 2 ай бұрын

We’re still working to find the best mics/miking for the optimal “sound,”but right now we have NTG3’s for crowd mics hanging from the ceiling of a room about 40 feet tall. That process aside, found that after time aligning every mic on stage *linearly,* from the origin (0, the area that the crowd mics are pointing to,) we were able to mix the ambience/room acoustics with it capturing all of the harmonies, reflections and crowd singing into to broadcast mix to just immerse the viewer as if they’re right there in the room. Setting pans and even experimenting with some stereo imaging effects, to widen “ambience” gave the “space” in the middle 90% of the mix to still have everything else “in the image.” Time aligning was such a mind-blowing discovery I never even heard about. It just resolved all of the issues. *volunteers here, no trained and taught professionals* The sound of the harmonics, reflections, room and “interharmonics” just smooth everything out to sound cohesive. Make. Sure. It’s. Time. Aligned.😂 Edit: we mix from 80-90 db-c so distortion isn’t an issue.. we also have a more classical approach to music, with strung, woodwind, and brass accompaniment most of the time, so really it’s a different style of mixing I think. But the concept of interweaving the room mics with the mix changed the sound completely! Glad to see more content about this miking posted online. Thank you sir!

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that is certainly the next step for anyone jumping into crowd mics. My video hopefully covers step 1 to get them to just work when you want them to be on and off when you don't want them to be on. But 100% there is time aligning that is needed and I would love to geek out in the harmonics discussion. Thanks for sharing to the community.

@magicmaui77 2 ай бұрын

I use a „ducking bus“ and configure it as key source on the crowd mics. That way a can blend in multiple sources to that bus, which will then trigger the gate.

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your insights. I'm jealous that you have an extra bus to dedicate for this purpose since it is the ideal way to go. I had to find a workaround for our setup, but I finally cracked the code.

@randyhobbs1514 2 ай бұрын

I've tried a similar thing on our choir mics. We have an overhead monitor speaker throwing down sound for the choir. Usually just a piano/keyboard and maybe our worship leaders vocal. My intention was to side gate the monitor bus thinking I could block that sound while the mics were picking up just the choir. That didn't work well at all. I managed to gate out everything I wanted to hear. Live and live stream.

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

Back to the drawing board. If you have some multitracks, that is the best way to do the testing when no one else is around.

@peterkoval7739 2 ай бұрын

Hi Allam, is this how I send dan's microphones to IN EARS MONITORS FOR MUSICIANS? Thank you for your reply.

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

You can get the mics into the board and then you make sure they are NOT going to the Main PA. Once you have that set correctly you can then turn them up in your IEM's using the typical Sends on Fader option like you would any other instrument. This specific video is talking about how I have the mics turn off automatically (when they are going to be distorted) when the drums and bass are playing.

@dotjaytelevision6280 2 ай бұрын

How are you able to playback recorded session showing each channel separately. I thought this mixer could record only main LR

@Will-xk4nm 2 ай бұрын

x32 can record 40 channels separately.

@andykarter6866 2 ай бұрын

Expansion card required to record multi track or use a laptop

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

The factory setup for the X32 has a card in the back called the X-USB card which allows you to connect a USB A-B cable (printer style cable) from the console to your computer. This video here talks about the setup for doing multitrack recording. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYHVkpqQlN1qg7M

@dotjaytelevision6280 2 ай бұрын

@ thank You

@dotjaytelevision6280 2 ай бұрын

@@AllamHouse thank You

@geoffschuller4875 2 ай бұрын

What mics do you use for crowd? And where do you place them?

@AllamHouse 2 ай бұрын

Each venue is going to be different, but typically you want to have your mics facing your congregation and not your PA speakers. Most mics are designed with a cardioid pattern meaning they will cancel out what is behind them and this allows you to capture the singing and not (well, less) of the PA. Most people also end up putting 4-6 mics around their venue to capture a variety of their audience and blend them together almost like a choir. In my specific venue the mics were in front of the stage in an orchestra pit and they were about waist height for my front row people while facing kind of out to the left and right. It's hard to explain since we are in an old movie theatre. My plan is to have a pair in this location and then a second pair in the higher alcoves that I mention in this video here. Check out the first video in this journey as I show some pictures of my first steps. I have this link set to start about 2 minutes in where I'm showing pictures of my room. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3LZXqljgraaf9Esi=wmCOEoef88GLYnMY&t=141