UNLV Is the Next School That Could Cause MAJOR Conference Realignment

UNLV Is the Next School That Could Cause MAJOR Conference Realignment | Brett McMurphy

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@Royal-le1ib Ай бұрын

With 7 MW schools remaining we need at least 1 more. Top choices (in my opinion) are Grand Canyon, UT El Paso, New Mexico State, Texas State, in that order

@itskeaton7249 Ай бұрын

"How is this new PAC12 any better than the Mountain West when it comes to media rights?" How do people not understand this, its mind numbingly simple: The new PAC is REMOVING the 6 worst brands in the MW. Brands that add little-to-no revenue, but still take a piece of the pie. The new PAC is REPLACING them with the 2 best remaining G5 brands (OSU and WSU) The new PAC will now have a slightly larger pie, and have to split it amongst less teams. = MORE REVENUE PER SCHOOL

@MarkCox-d3u Ай бұрын

@@itskeaton7249 oregon state and wazzu are what count Wazzu draws 3 million viewers per game

@kasoniakisangani Ай бұрын

But it's not going to be that much more revenue per school. They'll still won't be a Power 5 conference. McMurphy made a good point about having a TV deal set, all the speculated revenue is just that...speculation. A ton of Oregon State and Wazzu fans on Twitter were saying this and that without understanding the complexities of conference realignment. It's not just about adding schools! But I understand they were trying to add the best AAC schools, but USF and East Carolina were always gonna be stretches.

@mathewblood5113 Ай бұрын

@@kasoniakisanganiI think Boise State, Fresno State, Colorado State, San Diego State and now Utah State would beg to differ. They’ll probably get in the ballpark of $9-$12 million. That’s almost TRIPLE what they get in the Mountain West Conference! To them, that will make a huge difference in their athletic budgets.

@bobgonzalez5845 Ай бұрын

The Mountain West has NO money…, the PAC-12 does! Plus Brand recognition

@kasoniakisangani Ай бұрын

@@mathewblood5113 that still won't be enough to be recognized as a power conference. Go talk to the NCAA to change the rules.

@matt6310 Ай бұрын

No one thinks the PAC will be a power conference. They (and me) are hoping they can build a best of the rest conference. Merging with the MW doesn’t do that, but taking their best and a few from other conferences does that.

@DayOneRob Ай бұрын

IMO, when UNLV and Gonzaga join the PAC, they will be able to better solidify their TV revenue deal and then come back to the drawing board with AAC schools. The other thing Bret McMurphy is missing the mark on is this… he said why would the TV contract be more than the MW per school? It’s simple, the PAC is doing all it can to trim the fat and create better more desirable matchups in competition. More desirability equals more attention and money.

@mymusic8414 Ай бұрын

Fans of this new PAC 12 are going to be very disappointed in the tv contract. It'll probably be around 6 to 8 million per school with way less exposure than the american conference. Ratings and viewership wise none of those teams in the new PAC 12 moves the needle. I remember when the former PAC 12 commissioner was promising USC and UCLA that a solid tv contract was coming but never happened.

@DayOneRob Ай бұрын

@@mymusic8414 It all depends on who else they can convince to come to the conference, also it’s still better than the MW.

@TheOceanMan-xc7qp Ай бұрын

PAC has already taken the best teams of the MW, and their lawsuit against the MW looks solid...MW is gonna dissolve imo

@nashmonti120 Ай бұрын

Unless they can prove duress they will likely have to settle with the MWC and still pay out a smaller fee for each school leaving

@mymusic8414 Ай бұрын

That's the point of the lawsuit, to settle for a lesser amount. Now if the mountain west decide they do not want to settle then the PAC may lose their case

@TheOldSchool1975 Ай бұрын

Hawaii football like Gonzaga basketball is necessary. That last Hawaii game every nite is watched by tons of degen gamblers and Honolulu is a good football TV market

@DocSkirv Ай бұрын

Take the PAC12 name off and the conference is STILL superior to any other G5 conference simply because it has no bottom end. It’s seven deep. The likely worst team in the PAC was one of the best in the MWC. Fresno, Boise, OSU, and WSU would all smoke any top G5 in any other conference.

@merl-bz1bx Ай бұрын

it is still pac 12 after dark

@DocSkirv Ай бұрын

@@merl-bz1bx amen

@henrypeterson7411 Ай бұрын

Ummmmm no , the MWC in general couldn’t hold its own so why would simply adding OSU and Wazzu make it better?

@sonofsarek Ай бұрын

Whatever.

@sonofsarek Ай бұрын

@@henrypeterson7411exactly. Nothing changes. That’s why they should have just merged instead of doing all this juvenile nonsense just to not include 2-3 schools.

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

PacX needs to add some eastern schools with quality media viewership numbers: UConn Toledo AppSt Marshall Ohio Perhaps further add: Texas St Ga State Coastal Carolina Consider: Liberty James Madison La Tech (will tweak Tulane) This combination will tweak Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, ECU, USF. You can revisit them with a differnt hand, perhaps with a media rights agreement in hand with a prorata clause the covers the AAC programs.

@GreggRobinson-rb3xy Ай бұрын

The more I hear the more I think this may blow up on them. Being turned down by the four AAC schools and then suing the MW they are going to blow the 225 million on lawyers fees. I am a PAC 12 guy and I hate them suing the hand that fed them this year. W/O knowing any of the financials I hate where college sports went, are in and are headed.

@mymusic8414 Ай бұрын

I dont understand why the commissioner and administrators of the new pac 12 are expecting anything more than 10 million per school with the new tv deal. And to be honest i think itll be lower than that amount. Memphis and tulane were very smart to stay in the american.

@SmokeAndretti Ай бұрын

They need to add UNLV, Nevada, Texas State and just call it a day, go redesign the logo a bit and be the PAC-10 again 🤷🏾‍♂️💰 then down the road look into Gonzaga for basketball only 🏀 The money is in moving away from the PAC-12 name 🙅🏾‍♂️

@mathewblood5113 Ай бұрын

Noooo don’t redesign the logo! Its sharp!!

@bobgonzalez5845 Ай бұрын

In marketing you can always change the product, but NEVER the logo (Brand Name)

@SmokeAndretti Ай бұрын

@bobgonzalez5845 not true plenty of companies have made that pivot it happens in the medicine industry all the time plus say you are right the PAC-10 was before the 12 and had its own/the same rich history, logos, branding as well since it came first also conferences have been rebranded since their conceptions 🤷🏾‍♂️

@mymusic8414 Ай бұрын

I agree, the money is in moving away from the PAC 12 branding. Understandably Nevada and Texas St would jump at the offer. UNLV think it has some leverage which is why they said no to the PAC. The only reason I can think of them saying no to the pac is because they're exploring options with air force and the american.

@TheOldSchool1975 Ай бұрын

Need Hawaii (Only Football) and UNLV to get nice markets

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

PacX is doing what the Big12 presidents lacked the insights & the guts to do, what in the long run, could have saved Big12 from failure down the road. Big12 is back to being the most vulnerable conference to further P2 expansion. Big12 gets poached before ACC now, without major backfill prospects.

@jing-xt2tg Ай бұрын

It wasn't a lack of guts to not add whatever school you support that you are mad about the Big 12 not adding, as they would have cost more than what they were worth. The Big 12 is sitting pretty with no real outliers one way or the other. Could they lose Utah or Kansas at some point? Maybe, although I doubt it, because the B1G and SEC don't really need them. Even if they did, they could easily just stick at 14.

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

@@jing-xt2tg you’re a fool drunk on your own ignorance & arrogance. My favorite teams are in the SEC & ACC - I don’t give shxts about any of the schools the Big12 stupidly turned away. The big12 is vulnerable, & backed into a corner now - but you lack the capacity to comprehend it - even after I pointed it out to you. That’s really stupid.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

LOL.... The B1G is waiting for ND+1 and UNC+1. The SEC is waiting for UNC+1 and UVA+1. The BIG12 won't get poached by the SEC/B1G until those are sorted and decide to go past ~20. The BIG12 is already too large and wide. It can lose ~6 and be fine as a Tier 2.

@BitMadeIt Ай бұрын

Don’t understand why Memphis and Tulane didn’t join the pac, a lot more potential than the aac

@dg1019 29 күн бұрын

Getting 10 million already. PAC deal needs to be north of 15 for it to make sense for Memphis and Tulane. That needs to be a real number.

@MrHav1k Ай бұрын

If they get UNLV and Air Force that gets them to 9 and similar money to the MWC because they don't have the MWC bottom feeders to share the media deal with. That's why they're gonna get more $ per school... now is it going to be close to triple what those schools get in the MWC? I doubt it, but per school it will be more. A bit suprised UTSA isn't in the mix, but they're probably going to just stay in the AAC for some of the reasons discussed. The remaining MWC schools can still survive though, they have options. UTEP + NMSU are ripe for the picking and will bolt from CUSA in a heart beat to join a more western league, and between the Montana schools, Idaho, UC Davis, Eastern Washington, and the Dakota schools including North Dakota St. I feel like they'll get enough schools to bite from that group to get to the 8-9 schools they need to keep it all together.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The PAC name and brand could have retained some material value as a Tier 2, but it will quickly wither as a Tier 3. The Southern comes to mind. Again, create a trust to hold the assets, dissolve, and hope a new PAC can return that deserves the name.

@GundamGokuTV Ай бұрын

Can you ask him about FCS schools moving up? Like there's gotta be something there?

@open2626 Ай бұрын

But UNLV is waiting on their BIG 12 invite?! LOL What a joke!!

@bobgonzalez5845 Ай бұрын

They could easily lose 4 out of their next five games! Fresno, Syracuse, Oregon State and Boise. BRUTAL!

@N1oreo1 Ай бұрын

@@open2626 Where are you hearing that besides from a few fans on Twitter? You taking fan tweets at face value is the joke.

@open2626 Ай бұрын

@@N1oreo1UNLV's beat reporter was on KEJO (Corvallis) radio with Mike Parker and John Warren! Literally said, that UNLV is "waiting on a BIG 12 invite"!

@shootermcgavin4999 Ай бұрын

The college conferences is the same as society....the rich keep getting richer....everyone else is screwed.

@BozzmanCole Ай бұрын

PAC12 winning more battles and the war. MWC and their commish hasn't added one member since being raided with more to come. PAC12 should add UNLV, Texas State, and Gonzaga to get to a nice round 10. MWC needs to raid Texas and add UTEP, Tarleton State, and Sam Houston. It would be the only way to save the league from dissolving.

@roderickturner9806 Ай бұрын

Have we not learned anything from conference realignment??? Conferences don't dissolve no matter how many teams are left. CUSA was down to three teams and survived, the PAC 12 was down to two teams and they'll survive. Exit fees paid by leaving members is simply too much to let go by the waste side, and leaving members can't vote to dissolve the conference. About the TV media deal, the projections didn't stop the AAC schools from joining the PAC 12, the AAC exit fees prevented them from leaving the AAC. The example given by McMurphy regarding the projections of potential TV media deal was flawed. Whatever number the PAC 12 told the 4 AAC schools what they would get if they joined came from the potential media partners, not a made up projection number from the PAC 12. No different than the SEC going to ESPN and asking them what could they get for adding UT and OU. ESPN gave them a number and that is what the SEC presented to OUT. The 4 AAC schools can be revisited down the line, although I don't believe USF would ever join the PAC 12. They'll have other options better than the PAC 12.

@Royal-le1ib Ай бұрын

Power 4 is the result. The reborn Pac12 is just a rebranded MW plus whoever else they sign up. The 20-20 hindsight would have been for OSU and WSU to just add into the MW. But it's all about money

@ReisterJP Ай бұрын

Mountain West is looking at the fat girls UTEP, NMSU, and Texas State

@Redscfbreview Ай бұрын

😂

@Tee-duck Ай бұрын

@@ReisterJP sac st. ?

@mymusic8414 Ай бұрын

If you're part of MACnation you have a smile on your face because you don't have to go thru chaos of realignment

@ReisterJP Ай бұрын

@@mymusic8414 nobody wants 💩

@Royal-le1ib Ай бұрын

Add Grand Canyon to that list.... excellent Basketball program

@patpozzuto4809 Ай бұрын

12 from the MW + 2 from the PAC & you have a nice 14 team conference... problem is nobody wants "nice" anymore.

@DocSkirv Ай бұрын

Nice? This is business. It isn’t an episode of the Brady Bunch. Why should Boise want to share revenue with bottom dweller programs such as Hawaii or SJ State? Ludicrous

@jamesknapp64 Ай бұрын

Pac-12 would still be the same 12 if Nice was a thing

@xfacta334 Ай бұрын

Looking at whats out there you got: UNLV Liberty, UTEP Texas St, App St, Ga St, Troy Buffalo, Toledo, NIU, Ohio The 3 Service Academies Whatever is left after the ACC collapses And don't be surprised when Memphis, Tulane, UTSA run back to the table after a couple more chips fall. Decent options. (No USF or UConn because they're probably going to the B12 sometime soon)

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The BIG has already collapsed. The goal should be to get the 4Cs and CALFORD back.

@EricBurns-d4o Ай бұрын

UNLV & Nevada should look into joining the AAC and the league should drop Temple

@patpozzuto4809 Ай бұрын

Air Force is the primary target for the AAC... Former Temple fan here, would like to see the MW stay alive with some combination of the 2 Montana Schools, 2 North Dakota Schools, and 2 South Dakota Schools... not big markets but great Football and great rivalries... BTW, I have switched alliance to Army, I already attend half of their home games.