I Think Eating Meat Is Vegan? (responding to vegan critics)

There are a lot of responses to videos of mine out there on the youtubes. That’s the great thing about youtube and the internet in general. Literally anyone can make their voice heard.
Although that isn’t quite true. Just because you make a video, doesn’t mean it’s actually going to be seen. You have to either get lucky with the algorithm, get shouted out by a larger channel or on reddit or something (which doesn’t always result in a lot more views), or already have a large following.
The response videos regarding me that I’ve seen mostly have a lot of views and come from the same sources, channels I’ve responded to in the past. But there are actually a lot of videos from much smaller channels. And just because a channel is small or a video hasn’t reached many people, doesn’t mean it isn’t worthwhile. I’m not perfect, I definitely make mistakes. So I thought it’d be fun to check out some of these videos and see if they're any good. Maybe I'll learn something!
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[@UnnaturalVegan]

Should I make another one of these? SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON!

[@AimeeColeman]

I can't believe that actually worked for once :p

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

Please do this! I never watched any of these videos but it’s nice to acknowledge these response videos! Having said that, I do think some of these people misrepresenting you shouldn't receive the satisfaction of having their name more widely publicized. What good is it to use someone's name and face in a negative way like how they did to you, after all?

[@adriennengo5527]

Yes please!

[@dslashg]

... yes pls

[@kiarimarie]

I say keep doing it until it actually starts getting to you. Dialogues are important and helpful for everyone. I think your rules are solid, though, so you don’t continue to engage with people who aren’t responding to you in good faith.

[@praus]

Can confirm that your approach of encouraging people to start with reducing meat consumption and even be mostly vegan helped me to go from omnivore to strictly vegan. I felt I couldn’t be vegan because I love cheese. Then I heard you say something like, why not just be vegan (or vegetarian?) except the one food you can’t give up. So I did that. I also discovered some great vegan cheeses. Once I’d gone vegan in all these other areas, I realized I didn’t really need cheese. Been 100% vegan since last May. Your logical approach worked for me.

[@CuteArwen]

David she should be proud of herself!

[@brittniep9219]

That’s awesome!!

[@KamiYugure]

Pretty much the same for me. Except the food I had trouble giving up was Flamin' Hot Cheetos... which I feel like is the trashiest possible food to keep. But yeah I was totally vegan except cheetos and around the end of last year I finally decided to stop buying them and it's going pretty well so far. I do gaze longingly at them when I'm in the chip aisle, though. lol

[@TarynLandis]

David ditto for me! Her channel is the reason I started out on this journey. I started by cutting out red meat, then went pescatarian, then vegetarian, then started cutting out dairy. Finally cut out eggs and now I’m vegan. The slow gradual adaptation was what helped me actually go vegan, and the fact that a popular vegan KZbinr supported that really encouraged me. I don’t think I would’ve successfully went vegan if I hadn’t gradually transitioned.

[@andreacastro5437]

I’m going through this just now, I’m currently transitioning and eating mostly vegan, just eating eggs, but her approach is what made me do it, otherwise I would’ve continued with an omnivore diet.

[@maggiep6605]

Why do some of these people not seem to get that there is a happy (and healthy) medium between no oil and frying everything?

[@morusalba6405]

the purists would probably say something like: "But medium is bad, because look at all the people around you and how unhealthy everybody is and most people are too fat, so if you want to be healthy you have to do things that look extreme to the average person." i think most of them need a health scare or some kind of burnout before they realize that their behavior makes them miserable.

[@TroyEilertson]

Honestly my bigger question is, What does it have to do with the morality of veganism? If say, I wanted to eat however I felt while remaining vegan and became obese, in what way is that immoral in regards to animal welfare? "Health" in regards to a reason to be vegan will always be a farce because you can find healthy people across an enormous spectrum of diets.

[@lyssakate]

@@TroyEilertson it was a metaphor, not really about frying or health.

[@TroyEilertson]

@@lyssakate What are you talking about? Maggie's comment I was responding to was not a metaphor. It was a discussion about anti-oil vegans.

[@lyssakate]

@@TroyEilertson haha whoops, Ignore Me! I was driving to work while listening to this and it got a little loud on the freeway and I couldn't hear the part about the oils lol

[@connorodgers2089]

“So... strike 3 for not knowing what implies means” SAVAGE. This is why I love you 😂

[@RaeJeana]

That was the moment I hit like lmao

[@connorodgers2089]

RaeJeanapwnsn00bz her face & her tone. ICONIC 😂

[@morusalba6405]

@@RaeJeana almost forgot to like. thanks for reminding me.

[@umbudiga]

I liked "since she does mention happiness as being equivalent to pleasure, I'll just take this as her not understanding the difference rather than misrepresenting what I believe so I won't count that as a strike"

[@siliconsciousness]

Your approach has encouraged me to take steps towards veganism. People like Tofu Goddess have historically scared me off, all or nothing is super intimidating. I'm not wholly vegan, but I'm closer than I would be if I hadn't found your videos and I'm striving to do better every day.

[@brendanmorin9935]

Yes!! I feel the same exact way🥳

[@vuv10]

Same here 😀

[@marikeschmidt7602]

i personally agree with you, but then again there's other people who need to be confronted more aggressively or at least I've seen a few vegans saying that this is how they turned vegan and that the "gentle" approach didn't really do anything for them. so as far as that goes, i guess it's a good thing that both parties are present on youtube. still, criticising other vegan youtubers for not being pushy enough and ultimately tell them they're not really vegan and/or meat apologists is a real shitty thing to do and certainly doesn't help the movement.

[@kiarimarie]

Her telling me what is good makes me buy plant based when easily available. I went to buy my olive oil buttery spread the other day and didn’t see it, but there was a store brand plant based brand so I went “sure”. My thing is I hate the treatment of animals in the dairy and meat industry, and the environmental impact of animal product consumption, so, I gotta at least try to do better. I still consume dairy milk for my cereal but otherwise drink oat milk.

[@halliekellman5612]

Me as well!!

[@tiffanyferg]

Hahaha I love the three strike system!

[@theresamanuka1718]

Oh my gaddd😍 2 of my favorite KZbinrs 😄

[@edifrcovski2282]

hello my dude

[@strive8793]

MAMI

[@vickytaa1]

My dudes, Tiffany is here!

[@clarabrandaog]

two vegan icons here

[@earthmarkings]

How that dude just flat out says 'She's not lean is she' Like??? I felt this protectiveness coming over me like hoW dArE tHiS mAN saY tHIS mEaN UntRuE ThiNG aBOUT MY FRIEND!!

[@morusalba6405]

ugh! lean doesn't equal healthy. i hate that some people think that anything above borderline underweight is unhealthy. wanting to be lean is not thaaaat bad, but projecting this on everyone around you is reeeaaally bad.

[@alluneedislessthan3]

Same. I would like to remind men that having boobs =/= being fat. Also, STOP BEING THE BODY POLICE HOW BOUT YOU SHUT UP AND EAT YOUR CARBS IN THE CORNER???!

[@vincevince2414]

Maartje Steehouwer those kind of vegans think that being « lean » is being underweight. That’s what happen when a diet of lettuce and mango become a standard for them. That’s so stupid and frustrating.

[@justine4652]

Right?! She's a healthy weight lol. They just think that because of her chest

[@NicoleAspen]

I had the same reaction!!

[@meagannewlin5388]

I used to hate watch freelee and vehemently disagree with veganism. It was your videos that drew me toward veganism and your approach, at least for me, was way more effective. Shaming people into changing their behavior never works. Now my first vegan anniversary will be at the end of March and I am really excited 🤗

[@evab.6240]

Some people respond good to a more direct/harsh approach, tho. Because reality of the situation is harsh, what's happening to the animals is pretty terrible and some people can take those facts and subsequently change their behaviour.

[@anne-liepettersson1155]

I think this comment is really important! Like, sure, some people can be "scared" (I don´t know wich word to use here, maybe "chocked") into being vegetarian or vegan. Like all those girls in my school who bacame vegetarians when we saw a video on how slaughter works (even if it was just for a few weeks). But then that empathy-numbness thing often kick in. But to make totally informed choices for a substainable lifestyle for yourself as well as for animals and the planet takes time. Having it come from someone like UV in a clear, science based, kind and in a no pressure sort way is just.. gold. I am not a vegan (yet, maybe?) but I find that my life do change a little all the time whenever I find more information on what my choices really means and this channel has a lot to do with it. Congrats on your anniversary! :)

[@lightninglove222]

I really like this 3 strikes format because it clearly delivers why you're not engaging with the individuals' criticism. And seriously what's up with that ad hominem from high carb diabetic lol how rude wtf.

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

You're absolutely right! Only one of these videos was somewhat worthy of engaging with. The rest completely misunderstood Unnatural Vegan with no sense of depth in analysis.

[@jonathanharder8284]

I somehow agree that argument is irrelevant, but the fact that her BMI is normal is not the same as being lean, thats a term used for someone with a low body fat percentage, sucht that you can see muscles etc.

[@emilyletter5863]

@@jonathanharder8284 if you watch the rest of his video he consistently fatshames her

[@jonathanharder8284]

emilyletter Ok that’s shitty, I was just arguing by the few seconds I saw.

[@emilyletter5863]

@@jonathanharder8284 he wonders why he isn't "skinny like freelee" lol

[@stephanieprovost3855]

last dude: wow she isnt literally starving herself on a vegan diet, she must be doing something wrong. People seem to have a HUGE issue telling the difference between healthy and skinny.

[@MsTashie14]

Yeah, I couldn't believe he was trying to call her fat! She looks great! And she knows what works for her body, unlike a lot of others who usually end up quitting being vegan

[@joydoe7938]

So many vegans look like walking skeletons, in regular western standards she'd be considered 'skinny' or 'very slim with a bouncy chest' but vegan standards are 'freelee' or 'fat' no in-between. Genuinely surprised that anyone could call her fat.

[@summersalix]

I was vegan since age 14 (and vegetarian since childhood on my own accord bc of my love of animals). Due to a rare and unforeseen genetic condition, I had to have my colon removed 3 years ago (ileostomy). I tried my best to be vegan after my surgery, and it nearly killed me due to the fiber and subsequent nutritional deficiencies I endured bc of my altered anatomy. Trust me, I tried it all. Veganism has always been incredibly important to me, so seeing that the diet was now incompatible with my body was beyond upsetting. Unfortunately, I had to include some animal products into my diet, but in every other way possible, I strive to live the Vegan lifestyle and principles. Some people literally can't eat a vegan diet. But they can support the vegan message in other ways, and I think this should be accepted and not hated against. Ive always been the type of person who applauds those whom are making the best effort. But there are way too many vegans who insist on perfection and 100000% compliance, which is literally impossible in this world. Am I vegan? Technically no. But in my heart, I will always support animal rights and the environment.

[@connorodgers2089]

I can’t imagine how hard that would be to go through! Just know that you are still 100% accepted and appreciated in the vegan community for your efforts despite your condition💚💚

[@summersalix]

Aw wow! Thanks so much for the support, guys! Honestly, I was hesitant to post this in fear of any backlash, and all you've said really made my day. I've gotten some backlash due to this, which I can empathize with and understand to a degree, but at the same time, it can push people totally away from doing other things that help animals and the environment. The approach Swayze and y'all have are more welcoming and in my opinion, will have a greater impact overall. So thank you for being so kind, understanding, and supportive. 🤗

[@RotisserieiJamie]

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. Also, everyone who is trying their best should be applauded. It still makes a difference. And like you said you can be vegan in other ways like buying clothing that doesn’t come from animals or cruelty free cosmetics. That makes a big difference as well even if you can’t eat vegan. And you still are making a difference. Even doing something small still makes a big difference.

[@sophieh.2986]

sounds very hard I‘m sorry that happened to you! nobody is perfect and no vegan is 100% cruelty free, it is not possible, but doing the best you can, and it sounds to me that you do all you can to minimize animal suffering, that is vegan to me. so keep it up! 💚

[@diemdia]

If we go by the definition of veganism as avoiding animal exploitation as much as is possible and practical, you still qualify as a vegan! You're doing as much as is possible and your efforts are appreciated

[@katekursive1370]

I'm reducetarian now exclusively thanks to you. Can't afford to be vegan at the moment in my country with my financial situation, but trying is the least I can do to reduce suffering.

[@riversquid9028]

Kate Kursive that’s fantastic! A lot of purist vegans can overlook financial/medical reasons why people cannot be vegan. You’re doing your part by doing your best and reducing suffering.

[@TUG657]

Great that you are reducing. If you want to save money, go vegan. Grains and legumes are the cheapest foods. You don’t have to eat the meat substitutes to be vegan.

[@scrimbo5319]

@@TUG657not everyone wants to eat beans and rice for every meal - also, not everyone has time to cook every day

[@Ninitschga]

I identify as a vegan - yet when I‘m invited at my grandmas house for cake and coffee - I will bring my own milk but I will eat the cake she bakes. She understands that I will never buy animal products for myself ever again but she is way too old to change and I don’t want to disrespect her because for her it’s very important to be a good host and have people enjoy her food. So technically every two months I‘m not a vegan. 🙈🍀

[@greenday182v]

I remember grimes making a tweet very similar to this years ago when I was first transitioning, saying she wasn't going to turn down her grandmas cooking even if she was vegan the rest of the time. A lot of vegans I was friends with tried to 'cancel' her, and it really put me off the community. I don't think many people are going to be okay ostracising themselves from their older family members who they already only have a limited amount of time with. Seems cruel to judge that.

[@tidid5572]

I agree with you. But if you want, you can give her some new vegan recipes and maybe she will have a new challenge and still be a good host. 😊 And i am not vegan, just a suggestion. My grandma loves new recipes to try 👵😁

[@Merelvlekkie]

Same with my grandma! She does try and cooks mostly vegan but sometimes she buys a vegetarian sausage in stead of the vegan just because she cannot read those tiny letters anymore :)

[@Lilyanna298]

I know a couple of elderly people who have gone vegan. No ones ever too old to change

[@jessa.4529]

no I'm sorry, this is precious and I think is a great way to honor your grandmother for who she is, not trying to change her, with meeting her half way (bringing your own milk)

[@runningraven]

I would identify as hardcore reducitarian? I avoid doing harm in any way I can, but I'm also a chronic illness sufferer and my liquid formula is pre-digested using literal animal produced enzymes. I can't avoid that. I tried on multiple occasions (whenever a company comes out with a vegan alternative), and it got me incredibly sick so far. Will I try again? Hell yes! Will I switch back if it doesn't work out? Of course! Will I beat myself up for it? Nope. My kids aren't vegan either. I use cruelty free alternatives in cooking for them whenever possible, but if they want bacon, even after discussing the cruelty that comes with it, I buy it for them and they'll cook it for themselves. I'm not them, and since they're teenagers, being a role model (and fostering a good relationship!) is more important for me than purity. So yeah, hypocritical. Human existence is complicated. I genuinely feel that every little thing helps. Every breakfast cereal eaten with soy yoghurt is better than bacon and eggs. If it's six days a week, great! Every pea protein burger consumed instead of a beef one is awesome. Do I feel labeling myself a vegan would be wrong? Yes! I'm trying. Maybe appreciating that is enough? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@nadines.1107]

I fully agree. I like the way you take with your kids.

[@henryford2950]

The world would probably be a better place if more people were like you.

[@astridjaye6224]

I like the way you think

[@vincevince2414]

20:50 that woman is more concerned with being perceived by herself as good than actually helping the animals. What is more helpful: a world with 1% of total purist vegan like her or a world with 99% of mostly vegan like kalel letting herself eat sometime choco bars with milk and popcorn with butter ? Pretty obvious the emprisonned animals would prefer a world where 99% of people are mostly vegan

[@luanaschmid2009]

I totally agree that it isn't helpful at all not to encourage people who try their best and attractivism is in most cases way more effective than blaming people! On the other hand, I understand how she couldn't imagine eating just one slice of cheese out of philosophical reasons. I've read Peter Singers books and while he is quite zero sum, I do understand how to reduce harm and trying to live a moral life in this way as philosophical "source of meaning" to life. Again, I definitely agree with your argument and maybe I'm implying something she didn't mean, that is just my line of thinking (I think everyone can enrich their lives in some way with a sense of meaning, created by their values and people and activities dear to them(if hey want to), aiming to create the least amount of suffering possible is mine, I guess). I'm sorry for this very long answer and wish you a nice evening :)

[@vincevince2414]

@@luanaschmid2009 Yes totally agree with you! The least amount of suffering (100% vegan) should be our goal as it is objectively as a society more ethical. However I find the vegan ''purist'' like TheTofuGirl doing more harm than good beause they can't accept the fact that human psychology have a part in veganism. And so, approaching people with all or nothing makes them reject veganism without even trying (or trying it in a way they can't substain, which will lead them to stop veganism), which than cause more harm to animals. Unlike someone like unnatural vegan who accept human psychology, making the vegan message more accessible and than reducing the overall (and not the individual) actions causing animal suffering. Oh, and long answer are always enjoyable to read :)

[@luanaschmid2009]

@@vincevince2414 100% agree with that, also with the longer answer thing, so thank you too :)

[@eleanoraddy4683]

don't claim to (currently) be even close to vegan myself but I always thought the (very) small action of buying organic milk would hopefully have the largest impact when compared with a different (very small) action I could choose....say buying organic meat or something.? I virtually never actually buy meat but I drink gallons of tea and organic milk needs organic cow food right? One herd of organic dairy cows surely equates to alot of organic pasture and/or fields of grain. The all or nothing approach as you all say virtually always ends with, you guessed it! NOTHING!! 😋

[@Lilyanna298]

Believing it’s wrong to eat the corpses of torture victims doesn’t mean someone doesn’t care about animals. I don’t agree with Tofu Goddess on Freeganism but she is a Vegan who has a channel promoting Veganism and volunteers with animals so she is clearly someone who does a lot for animals. While I have no problem with Freeganism I can understand why people think it’s wrong to take pleasure in the torture of animals just like it’s wrong to laugh at someone being beaten even if it doesn’t hurt them.

[@tiamatgustafson8515]

Sounds to me like tofu goddess really wants to relive 2015-2017 vegan youtube

[@saltoftheegg]

Y’all know Tofu Goddess is reading the comments and pouting.

[@JeremyJenner]

For real lmao. There was a time when she would be in practically every vegan YTer's comment section for clout. Gotta get those channel views somehow...

[@LiamAmazarashi]

call me petty but that's why I commented something positive on this video xD just in case she checks here haha

[@katieamarsh]

She’s so judgmental it’s exhausting.

[@Frutimoonx]

"I'm not pro-fat, I'm not anti-carbs, I'm just anti-pseudo-sciences." Is that my actual pov stated in one sentence? Yes it is. I discovered your channel thanks to your response video to WTH and watched nearly everything you posted since then. You was the person who helped me swim through pseudo-sciences when I started to feel attracted to it, because I had no other voices or informations than pseudo-sciences or anti-vegans. So just one more time : thank you for making a huge difference.

[@rachelright8464]

Tofu goddess makes videos about drama then blocks comments.

[@Geoffrey454]

That's probably because she can't handle criticism of her baseless assertions.

[@VictoriaAbernethy]

She seems a bit bitchy in her reaction video, seems uncalled for

[@rust44]

Vic She gives me major Tomi Lahren energy.

[@sinuherohan4720]

@@rust44 Ouch! 😅

[@lizza333]

This Tofu chick is the type of judgmental loud vegan that makes people think all vegans are awful and turn them off completely from making any changes

[@MissCaraMint]

She makes me want to eat a burger. And I was so happy eating my quinoa salad and vegan «meat» cakes too.

[@VioletWaves44]

“Vegan Cheetah” blast from the past

[@RaineBowieArcade]

Right, I was thinking the same thing! Didn't that ramen flavor packet thing happen a long time ago??

[@VioletWaves44]

@@RaineBowieArcade Yeah I think it was like 2-3 years ago. I was just learning about veganism at that time lol

[@RaineBowieArcade]

@@VioletWaves44 same 😄

[@VioletWaves44]

This Is Audary vegan twins 👯‍♀️ lol

[@FireKittenss]

I loved that you talked about using the term vegan when you’re not necessarily 100% vegan. When you said that it gave me the courage to continue to make imperfect steps. I stuck to veganism this time because I wasn’t intimidated when making mistakes. I think a lot of it was the subconscious thing of using that word. Eventually my thought (I’m vegan) reflected in my actions.

[@chloeelizabeth013]

Rachel J yes! This whole perfectionist vegan diet is overwhelming and can consume you at times. Everyone makes mistakes time to time (I sure have!). And some choose to consume local honey to support the local beekeepers, or consume their backyard hens eggs when the hens have no interest in them. It’s not “perfect” but I don’t think they should be shamed and ridiculed by other vegans.

[@nadines.1107]

Rachel J when I went vegan, I was scared that I would miss cheese too much and ´fail´ but I told myself to just try to go cheeseless as well as possible and should the urge to have a certain cheese get too much I would be ´allowed´. I never ate cheese again but it was helping a lot to be ´allowed´ if Would really really miss it. I still miss the vast variety dairy cheeses offer but we got a few really good vegan ones.

[@lightbearer6644]

Imperfection is when you accidentally step on a bug, or when you're eating crops where animals are not intentionally killed. That means to be imperfect vegan. Intentionally buying animal products is something else. And it's not vegan at all. Let me translate 'vegan' for you - it's not harming animals as far and practically possible.

[@FireKittenss]

Light Bearer I’m glad you’re passionate about animals. I am as well. Perhaps my intention wasn’t clear. Changing to a vegan lifestyle is freaking hard. Cold turkey works for some but not for all. Cheese is literally an addictive substance. we’re essentially relearning how to eat and to live our life’s. We are breaking away from deep set patterns set in our brains. With that being said I called myself a vegan when (used to) I gave into PMS cravings and got a chocolate treat that’s definitely not vegan. It is easier to stop fighting human feelings and reactions and understand that so long as you’re making better choices the next time what is the harm? No one is saying to have a monthly allowance of cheese or steak but understanding that we all do the best we can. That’s all anyone can ask and half this battle is mindset. I stuck to the lifestyle more when I was still using the term when I may not be a 100%. Some may have a huge problem with that and that’s okay. It is a whole mindset principle. When I was making bad choices I used to beat myself up and claim I wasn’t vegan and didn’t care about the animals. That thought processes ended up just having me go back to square one because I must not be vegan if I made the wrong choice right? Wrong. So long as I keep trying to make the better choice that makes me vegan. At the end of the day all that matter is the animals. I’d rather have a lot of people making imperfect steps towards the same goal than have a handful of militant chastising vegans.

[@chloeelizabeth013]

​@@FireKittenss I quit cold turkey, but I agree. Many who do can lead to binging on animal products and then give up. Plus people can try to be as vegan as much as possible, but some people (those in poverty) live in food desserts and/or rely on food kitchens, so physically cannot be vegan entirely. That isn't most people but it's important to recognize that a vegan diet can and is a privilege. I think avoiding it as much as possible is still good. Doing your absolute best is what matters.

[@mckenziefoy6779]

THANK YOU! I consider myself vegan, but I work in the restaurant industry and work at banquets, so naturally they make a LOT of food, and then whatever doesn't get eaten is thrown out. For me, I am a student, so when I am at work, I will eat the non vegan food they have, because it will get thrown out.(saves me money this way, less waste)

[@RaineBowieArcade]

Yes! I used to work in a kitchen also and I would rather take the extras home and not waste it. My boss also rather let it go somewhere more useful than the trash...food waste is a big problem and I support reducing that waste because so many people don't have enough food. Plant based options are becoming more and more readily available, even at fast food restaurants. Our dollars are driving the difference!

[@chloro8306]

That's fine but then you're not vegan. It's like saying if you eat human corpses you're not a cannibal if the corpse was gonna go to waste and no one cared to bury them. You're still a cannibal even though you didn't hurt the human you ate.

[@RaineBowieArcade]

@@chloro8306 there's other foods than just animal products that get thrown out. I was also feeding the rest of my family. So no, it's not the same. So I have to let food go to waste and people go hungry because it's not something I believe should be consumed, don't think so. So nice that you have your choice and privilege, but sometimes you have to take what you can get when you can't afford food and you happen to work in a kitchen that allows left overs to be taken home so it's not wasted. So next time before you make a comment, stop and think there might have been other circumstances that played into things.

[@silaswild6233]

So you're not a Vegan, even if you consider yourself one, the fact is you're not

[@marissak8786]

YOU MAKE SO MUCH SENSE! Sorry for yelling. But, seriously, I'm just excited. My husband and I are taking the first step and going vegetarian. (Vegan is a bit difficult, as we're living in China and I can't read labels.)

[@tarumakela5075]

That's amazing!

[@ljwalsh11]

I used to live in China and I am a vegetarian and was when I lived there!! I found it very easy to be vegetarian in China, but I will say the hardest part is pork in dishes you think are meat-free. Dishes like mapodofu, it seem like since it's a tofu dish it'll be meat-free, but it's got pork. Its also easy to cut out dairy because it is not traditional in chinese cooking, but then eggs are prevalent, so going vegan might be difficult while you are learning the language. Have you learned how to tell people you are a vegetarian in Mandarin? I remember saying "cu sai" like telling people that I eat "cu sai" (vegetables). Once you figure out how to say you don't eat meat, that will make things easier and if you have any chinese friends or coworkers, they will likely be able to help. Good luck!!!! I know you'll be just fine!!!

[@lucybullwhip8103]

Don't be an idiot.

[@christina7454]

@@lucybullwhip8103 what are you talking about? If you don't speak the language of the country you're living in, it's obviously hard to check labels for ingredients, especially those that are obscurely labeled (derivatives, scientific names, abbreviations) The important thing is doing what you can (like not buying and cooking meat).

[@trulydisappointed5142]

Amazing :)

[@katerinajoan257]

I am interrupting watching this video to tell you, Unatural Vegan, that I literally had a dream last night that you and I were driving in Northern Saskatchewan, discussing Christianity (where we suddenly got pulled over, and then driven into a field where a police mob beat our dog). I just. Needed to tell you. Lol. Hope you enjoyed.

[@UnnaturalVegan]

Omg what a ride that was lol

[@NessasGamingzone]

Obviously dreaming about you is a thing now. I think in my case we were having a conversation about something. So yeah. KZbin magic.

[@katieosborne5203]

You made an appearance in one of my dreams recently too. We were at a creepy festival.

[@carolsimpson4422]

Now I'm all worried about the dream doggy. Poor lil dream doggy 😥

[@katerinajoan257]

I KNOW!! I was so upset. Literally sobbing. .....dream sobbing lol..... Yeah, it didn’t bode well for Dream Doggy. But, maybe another dream will tell differently ;).

[@rachelright8464]

"Practicable" is a subjective term and some vegan purists just cant deal with it.

[@v-man2355]

do. agree.

[@slothman3981]

It's relative, not subjective. There are objective truths to be known regarding what is practicable. There are issues with using it as a standard though, as living like a caveman is practicable.

[@TheOrionMusicNetwork]

@@slothman3981 Depends on the extent to which you believe in "willpower" or "free will".

[@veganworldorder9394]

Practicable is a subjective term and some anti child labour activists just cant deal with it.

[@slothman3981]

@@TheOrionMusicNetwork Hey I know you... I used to listen to music on your channel. Small world. I don't believe in free will. I don't suppose it was my Sam Harris like 'there are objective truths to be known about' that brought you to think about it? Either way, do elaborate.

[@theotherkangaroo]

Lots of talk from Tofu Goddess about "a good person" & how being Vegan makes her a good person. Seems like Tofu Goddess is being Vegan to make herself feel better about herself 🤷‍♀️

[@shadowbeastie]

is there such a thing as a vegan who doesn't use their diet as a replacement for a personality? Considering the .2% of the population not eating 'meat' does almost nothing to stop animal agriculture, what other reason is there?

[@theotherkangaroo]

@@shadowbeastie tbh, I don't know many Vegans (I'm Vegan-positive, though) & think Swayze is great -- so, there's one! 😁

[@shadowbeastie]

@@theotherkangaroo veganism is self-imposed malnutrition for the sake of a false idea of helping the environment. They know they feel sick but they deny and spread misinformation. Altruism gone wrong. Swayze is intentionally raising vegan children and they will suffer in the future from the missing nutrients from their diet. She is not a good person.

[@slothman3981]

@@shadowbeastie That question is hyper-cynical. It should be fairly obvious that there are vegans who don't use morality as a replacement for personality, much in the same way that there are non-vegans who do the same. Also, the vegan population is at least 10x that number. Statistics historically have been around 2%. It is a growing demographic though. The size of animal agriculture is relative to the demand for animal agriculture. IE. If you boycott animal ag, animal ag will shrink by a factor of yourself. If you believe that you are morally responsible for your actions, it follows that it matters how you act in the world. Eg. Do you believe it is wrong to murder other humans? If yes, it would matter to not go around murdering people. The same applies to animal ag, if it is morally relevant to you.

[@shadowbeastie]

@@slothman3981 Humans are not animals. Another vegan idiot who has a delusion that they are "saving animals" by eating "plants". So stop importing foods from 3rd world countries and stop using products created by human slave labor. Then i'll take your delusions into account. Vegans are just picky eaters with a focus on pretending they're virtuous. Comparing killing people to killing livestock, but disregarding human slavery in vegetable production. idiot.

[@abigail6744]

All of this just brings back the hurt I felt from so many people around me when I transitioned into vegan. It took me about a year to go from vegetarian to vegan and it was hard. It took a lot of change. During that time I never called myself vegan. I did make it clear that I was trying to transition to vegan. But every time I would eat a non vegan thing omnis around me would be downright cruel. I still (after 4 years of being fully vegan) still get mocked by coworker for the one time I ate non vegan cookies a few months into my transition. The hypocrisy is infuriating.

[@twinklybones8952]

ew that is so rude. That is one of the reasons I don’t share my lifestyle/dietary restrictions with people unless I know them very well. If people find out some other way, people either mock it/say “I love bacon!! I could never!”/tell me why it’s not important 👀

[@Kimmehface]

This happens to me all the time because I choose to be vegetarian most of the time but when I travel to certain countries, I eat animal products. My family always ridicules me and tells me I should just "eat meat" because I'm not really vegetarian. Just remember....it doesnt really matter what people think! You're allowed to do what you want and other people can suck it.

[@misstakenbelief]

What?! That's terrible. I'm not vegan but I know plenty who are, and I actually eat plant-based meals with them when we hang out. I would never make fun of someone who's doing something so noble.

[@Ahhhmay]

This happened to me a lot too. It's almost like they were looking for a mistake and can claim "see, you can't even do it" 🙄

[@abigail6744]

@@Ahhhmay I think you're right with that assessment. It was likely projection. Ironically one of the rudest people during that time is transitioning into vegan now. I've been nothing but encouraging and supportive to him even through his slip ups. I hope he realizes now how much of a jerk he was. I've yet to hear anything appology though.

[@smltyler]

That Tofu Goddess person was so hard to listen to...I’d rather watch Freelee lol

[@hannahfox5422]

She seemed like a wannabe FullyRawKristina, but at least FullyRawKristina and Freelee are funny with their insanity and some of their videos (Freelee in her brief 'daily vlogging/what I ate today/excercise vlog/weird spiritual bit at the end' phase) are actually kinda enjoyable to watch. Tofu Goddess honestly just made me feel depressed.

[@JessicaMary0702]

I skipped past her. She was so annoying 😂

[@Torischannel1]

I've noticed that people have different levels of comprehension and alot of these people have very low levels of comprehension.

[@gumgumSulli]

Either that or they're arguing in bad faith. Probably a bit of both.

[@jorelletaylor5408]

Facts 😭😂 it’s like lack of common sense

[@jmarie1647]

Isn't reducing waste, especially organic waste, from going to the landfill one of the biggest goals of environmentalists? If a vegan burger were going to be thrown out because there was accidentally an animal product on it I would rather eat the burger with non vegan products than let that food go to waste. Food waste is such a huge problem in North American that anything people want to/can do to reduce it is a step in the right direction.

[@angeliparraguirre7329]

Food waste might as well be a sin in this country considering all the resources and lobbying put into it.

[@Erik-lq4eo]

Yes if you get actual cheese on your burger just scrap it off, and if you can't get 100% off that's fine, you don't have to spend minutes picking off every bit of cheese just eat it. If its sauce, just kind of wipe it off, if it's still kind of there whatever.

[@Aceofwolves]

Or give it to someone else at least. Thousands of people go hungry EVERY NIGHT due to food insecurity..why not feed one of them instead of wasting it.

[@WealthyIndustrialist]

@@AceofwolvesCuz then they might get viewed as hypocritical for contributing to animals suffering instead of righteously throwing away the offending veggie cheeseburger. Some people have their heads so far up their righteous butts they’d rather the world burn because the REST of society didn’t follow in their footsteps rather than make incremental changes towards the better. Yes it’d be ultimately better for the world for that vegan to just eat the cheeseburger or give it away to somebody else, but they’d rather die on their all-or-nothing hill they’ve perched themselves on.

[@Luumus]

Who could ever think that a "mukbang rebuttal" was a good idea? You are talking while you _eat..._ What happened to the "don't talk with your mouth full" rule kids learn when they are 5?

[@VictoriaAbernethy]

Haha hate mukbangs

[@stinepetersen861]

Yes, why? Those noises just made me cringe 😳

[@Luumus]

I know right? I was shuddering just listening to them. And it's not even nice looking food it's just a huge plate of boring looking spaguetti with boring bread. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't mukbangs supposed to show off really nice looking food?

[@stinepetersen861]

@@Luumus I honestly don't know. I try to avoid them but have never seen any that wasn't fast food

[@valeriavagapova]

I HATE when youtubers do this shit lol. I have to skip those videos even if I actually like the person and want to hear what they have to say... All my ears hear is the disgusting food sounds, I'm shivering just thinking about it

[@pgp519]

anyone remember that episode of buffy when faith takes over her body and is in the mirror moralising 'You can't do that... because it's wrong!'? tofu goddess did a great impression

[@IESWlodarczyk]

It was a great episode.

[@RCrystal34]

Just watching buffy now and I watched that a week ago 🤣 perfect reference. I love it!

[@losberries8631]

waits thats illegal

[@southernsunb]

So true :D

[@coppershepherd]

Unrelated: Does anyone remember the dude who was commenting "- days since the seitan recipe video"... or was that a fever dream I had?

[@GreenLampSam]

Lol yes I remember that too, I wonder how many days it's been now since the promised kale seitan recipe?

[@veganforthem76]

He stopped posting because she gave the recipe on her Q&A video. You can find a comment in there from the channel (The Serían Recipe) saying his watch is over 😂

[@valeriavagapova]

@@veganforthem76 He also cooked the recipe on his channel lmao, it was great (search "How to make The Kale Seitan Recipe from Unnatural Vegan")

[@ailinh911]

Vegan for them I was wondering where he went! i’m glad he finally got the recipe!

[@extremelyhappysimmer]

She said in a vid she's not doing it cus she got sick of it when she was pregnant or something

[@hilaryh1n]

I completely agree with you!! I am a vegan nutrition coach but 99% of my clients are not vegan. This means I have a huge opportunity to give people baby steps into plant-based eating that is manageable for them. They are okay with eating dairy-free 3 days a week or eating no meat 2x a week. This is huge for them to start seeing health benefits while I am feeling so happy with saving more animals!

[@freshasadaisy4782]

Health Benefits from not eating meat 2x a week? You are funny.

[@hilaryh1n]

@@freshasadaisy4782 and you are the reason why people are not eating less meat :)

[@Joniness]

@@freshasadaisy4782 vegans and non-vegans should both be alarmed by seeing an increase in meat consumption, we all live on this planet and environmentally that increase in meat consumption is hurting it

[@freshasadaisy4782]

@@hilaryh1n I am the reason, really? Funny again. Dont be stupid and claim health benefits from not eating meat, that is just intentional lying.

[@lionellynnkim4077]

Finger Nagel If you eat high quality meat-Costco level at least and cook it with healthy carbs and veggies, it is okay but most of ppl don’t eat that way.

[@TheDOHMEYER]

"circular reasoning is bad mostly because it's not very good." girl i'm dead.

[@carlybenjamin5669]

UV I agree with you on the "vegan" label so much. I was "vegan" for years but have since become plant-based. My whole reason for changing was because I was getting so much hate on both sides. Non-vegans were hating on me for being vegan even though I never tried to push my diet on others and then my vegan friends would tell me I'm not a real vegan because I would buy meat at the grocery store for my partner. For me personally, I think being vegan, vegetarian, plant-based needs to be a personal choice. I buy all the groceries in my house and prepare the meals. My partner does not understand why I don't meat but he supports me. And now he is accepting and incorporating more meat substitutes into his diet(yay!). Channels such as yours help me stay strong in my plant based lifestyle and keep going. ❤

[@itsybitsyblondie457]

Why does Tofu Goddess sound like she’s about to cry

[@justine4652]

I've always felt Those Annoying Vegans really chose the right name for their channel

[@shadowhunterartemis]

I know them in real life and they're actually really kind people who spend a lot of their personal time helping and taking care of animals. I don't agree with them about everything but I like and respect them

[@justine4652]

@@shadowhunterartemis fair enough. I just find their videos to have a certain vibe that bothers me

[@Olivetree80]

I really like them, I found them to be inspiring in wanting to advocate for animals when I first went vegan

[@eyrama]

Lol why is this tofu goddess lady trying so hard to gatekeep veganism dang

[@giiness508]

Ikr it’s not an exclusive club and vegans shouldn’t be policing the activity of other vegans, but focus on being responsible themselves and try to educate and engage with others in a constructive way

[@J_e_s_s_i_c_a_a]

I’d love to see you and Mr. Atheist have a friendly debate. He said in a recent video that veganism draws an arbitrary line in the sand - I’d love to hear your responses to him, you both are great debaters!

[@isamae6125]

I'd love to see that happen as well!

[@brocklee2458]

The fact that I ate meat a year ago disqualifies me from being vegan for the rest of my life apparently 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AndreBenjaminswife]

And the fact that I had an impossible whopper with Mayo instead of ketchup 3 months ago apparently invalidates my veganism too😂

[@RipeLemon]

The Tofu Goddess video makes me regret learning English.

[@louykins]

So because you’re ample-chested, you’re fat?! Ughhhhhhhh!

[@orsikocs]

I think people should just stop commenting anything about other people's bodies period

[@tresfoil]

People really think she's overweight because she's endowed up top lol like on her vid about possibly getting breast reduction people were telling her to lose weight first when in fact she has told us her weight and it's not an unhealthy one. They will never be satisfied

[@megan7086]

It’s actually the reason I had a breast reduction... for some reason when they cut 3lbs off my chest it made me look 20lbs lighter

[@louykins]

megan I did too! Just about 3.5 off each boob! Totally worth it.

[@IMatchoNation]

Swayze: "I couldn't do a Top 11, that would just be... wrong!" *Nostalgia Critic has entered the chat*

[@buttonsnrubbish]

Looks like you'll have to change the channel :p

[@angeliparraguirre7329]

Nice one 👏🏾😉👍🏾

[@KamiYugure]

YOUR APPROACH IS WHAT MADE ME GO VEGAN. All these purity obsessed vegans have had NO effect on steering me in this direction. I was waffling on going vegetarian or vegan for YEARS because of so many conflicting thoughts and feelings on the matter. I have a huge capacity for self-sabotage, self-hatred and self-flagellation. In some ways, I felt like worrying about my diet would be tantamount to going from standing near, looking over the edge of my (mental health) breaking point to inching forward and teetering precariously at the brink. The thought of changing my diet in this way felt equal parts arrogant, stupid, selfish, not enough, dangerous, difficult, privileged, etc. All of my thoughts and feelings were a jumbled mess in my head, tied into a fraying knotted bow, with the idea of being just one person that couldn't possibly effect change in any meaningful way. I had that toxic mindset you sometimes admonish that goes like this: "millions of animals will suffer and die either way so what's the point of me risking whatever fleeting grasp on mental stability I might have to what? Stroke my ego for being 'better' person and not partaking in the carnage like the disgusting pathetic person I know I am?" Like I dunno... I had a lot of twisted up ideas of what vegans were like and what veganism was about. The sheer impossibility and magnitude of what I wanted vs what I as an individual could do was a lot to wrestle with. Adding onto it the whole whether or not I could do it without it putting me at risk of some eating disorder. (Apologies if this comes across weird. I don't mean it as a pejorative though I've never been diagnosed for an ED in the past. I just have a whole lot of fucked up mental illness and trauma bs tied to my body image and weight and have always used food to self-medicate. So I figured it wasn't a poor assumption to make that there might be a nonzero percent risk present if I were to try and take on such a radical dietary change.) I guess I'm saying a whole lot to just say that it was your reasoning that finally got all that in my head to settle down a bit. It was your willingness to forgive while encouraging (even just marginal) continuing improvement, that got me going. Not just because you said nice things but because you spoke with empathy AND backed it all up with facts and studies and carefully worded logical arguments. It seems so weird to me, that feeling that confidence that I could make a gradual change and still be doing something I could be proud of that could be effecting change beyond myself more than I originally thought; that I can just set the goal to do less harm rather than eliminating all harm in the world (that literal impossibility I was stuck on). When you gave me permission to let myself be an imperfect vegan or someone working up to being vegan someday, I was able to make the switch almost over night in my diet. I finished off my animal products and started eating plant based pretty soon after I started watching your channel. I know it's not typical but aside from a cheat food that took me almost a year to finally kick and a couple lapses/mistakes I went vegan pretty much overnight in early 2018. AND LET ME RE-EMPHASIZE THAT IT WAS THE LOGIC AND EMPATHY AND PERMISSIVE/FORGIVING VOICE THAT YOU GIVE THAT FINALLY MADE ME FLIP THAT SWITCH ALMOST AS SUDDENLY AS THESE PURITY VEGANS WISH THEY WERE GETTING PEOPLE TO DO WITH THEIR DOGMATIC NONSENSE. No one with an attitude like tofu goddess or many of your other usual detractors could EVER have gotten me there with their methods. Though I guess some (but not all) of it comes with the territory of being a fellow atheist - dogmatism sets off so many alarms bells for me - I need humanization and reason to come over. And I really think most people need that, regardless of beliefs. Sorry for the rambling essay, I just - you are doing good. Like immense good. I think you turn people TOWARDS veganism way more than these critics could ever even imagine you to be muddying the waters or turning people down the wrong path. This channel was CRUCIAL to me finally deciding to change my life so I live more in alignment with my values. For me, being vegan basically boils down to this: if I am horrified at the thought of hurting any animal myself, then I shouldn't be letting others do it for me just because I can't see it happening every day with my own eyes. If I really love them, I won't pay others to harm them on my behalf, if it can be helped. Of course there's still a ways to go, but you got me past the halfway point for the positive impact I can make and that's what matters to me. I honestly kind of feel protective of you because of it - like, you woke me up and you did it with reason and kindness! It's so upsetting to me that other people want to be rude, crude, and unnecessarily combative when you are primarily so kind, understanding, and helpful. Criticisms or corrections are one thing, but the blatant thoughtless vitriol from some of these people deeply disturbs and honestly kind of disgusts me...

[@Olivetree80]

I'm not trying to downplay your experience, but people need to stop relying on others to act in accordance what they believe in and their values. We're all socially influenced, but often times it gets in the way of thinking for ourselves.

[@nananinanana656]

"Purity obsessed"? 🤢 no. We are against animal abuse 100% of the time. YOU make exceptions for your own pleasure.

[@KamiYugure]

​@@nananinanana656 3 year old post and I've been vegetarian/vegan since even before posting this... I was just explaining my journey and feel like lots of people can relate to it but I still think that anyone with an "all or nothing" mentality is not going to get people to reduce harm. Food is NOT small part of everyone's life that's super easy to change. Everyone has a different cultural experience, different situations where access to food, resources time and money is concerned and coming after people that are doing what they can but aren't 100% vegan 100% of the time is clearly not convincing very many people and certainly didn't convince me - especially when people think about the larger system at play. It's becoming more popular for people to reduce their consumption of animals products and I don't think it's the "all or nothing" mentality that's doing that - it's the welcoming, accepting, mentality the make it a fun part of your week or diet to eliminate animal products, etc. The system as a whole does not stop torturing and slaughtering animals when a couple people eat no animal products. That overwhelming feeling that nothing you do, no matter how well intentioned, will never solve the real problem, makes changing such a huge and personal and social part of your life seem meaningless, but it's through realizing that we can make progress on a wider scale as a kind of social/politcal movement even with small dietary changes, that we can at least start bringing the demand down, start desaturating the market that changed my perspective. Like I thought before I changed my diet "I'm just one person, the meat industry is monstrous conglomerate spanning the whole globe. Me depriving myself isn't going to change that." And sure that's maybe a bit selfish, but whether I do the thing or not, in my mind at the time, doesn't change the real problems: That there's a very large, very powerful, very wealthy part of our society that everyone else hardly even questions that, in order to operate at all, must regularly cause extreme suffering. But as I see these different perspectives and the willingnesss of people to do things that some vegans and vegetarians would scoff at as merely performative half-measures. Like this thing of a bunch of people saying "ok, I can at least remove meat from my diet for one day a week" that probably has a much wider impact on the industry because it was such a popular thing to do a while back. Regardless of how we feel about it, the fact is that if we want real change, we're playing a numbers game. Even if they individually do less than a full vegan does, together they do more because more people are mobilizing, more people are acting together. Lots of people have been trying your position as their approach to get people to take collective action, but while it worked for some people the VAST majority of people just found it made them want nothing to do with any vegetarian or vegan ever. Some of that is their own bias and resistance to change, but some of it is also the political and strategic ineptitude of thinking that making other people feel like shit will make them want anything to do with whatever your selling.

[@rebeccagypsysol]

I feel like ppl who say you can’t be vegan if you, once or twice, ate meat, are in the same camp as the ppl who say calling almond milk “milk” should be illegal🙄🤦🏼‍♀️

[@ONeill01]

Nah depends if you willifully eat meat or not, if it's a unconscious mistake then fine, you learn from it and move on, but you can't call yourself vegan if you willfully eat meat once in a blue moon, it's like calling yourself a nonracist even though you shout out racist explicit names on a rare occasion, muddies the defintion of a nonracist don't you agree?

[@blissprofessor4807]

Did you really quit smoking if you still have a cigarette once or twice?

[@gabriellesimoneau9958]

In canada you legally can’t call plant based beverages “milk” that may be why some people say that!!

[@raapyna8544]

Tbh I imagine someone milking almonds. But it's just so much simpler and feels more normal to call whatever plant milk, plant milk. (Almond milk, oat milk, soy milk...) Than whatever the store name is, "oat drink" or "soy drink". If it's used for the same purposes and is even fortified with the same nutrients, it should be considered in the milk category of foods.

[@blissprofessor4807]

@@therru5943 So it doesn't matter if you smoke or not, but what matters is the frequency? So, if I beat my wife only once a month it's OK?

[@marsmargaret]

i order subway a lot bc i’m disabled and usually when i’m in a bad pain flare i can’t rlly cook and can’t keep down most food, but a subway sandwich is usually okay. i like mayo on my sandwich. it’s really difficult to spread vegan mayo on an already made sandwich. plus it means extra steps that i can’t always accomplish- 1) stopping in the kitchen, more time standing/walking 2) opening the fridge, in flares this usually puts my wrist and hand out 3) unwrapping the sandwich + unscrewing the jar + spreading the mayo, fine motor control i likely don’t have, 4) re assembling the sandwich/ rewrapping, more fine motor control, 5) cleaning the knife, opening the dishwasher, bending down to put the knife in, doing all of this while i can barely stand and probably barely was able to get to my car and back. so one day i said Fuck it! and i just started getting a small amount of regular light mayonnaise when i can’t do all that work. bc i need the stupid sandwich to taste exactly the same so i don’t get nauseous. it’s not vegan but like who cares!!! i have real problems !!! same with sometimes eating egg. sometimes i’m bedridden and accidentally forget to eat for two days and need fast protein i can eat easily. i can’t eat beans easily. so i make eggs, because i’m poor and it’s easy. when i’m doing well physically i’m a perfect ~giant green smoothie~ ~endless meal prep~ vegan, but sometimes that’s just not possible. it’s not perfect veganism, but sometimes my health is more important than a label love this vid ! as i do all of urs

[@marsmargaret]

i wish more vegans understood the amount of privilege they have to be able to care about this kind of thing. it’s so small.

[@twinklybones8952]

you are doing your best! 💕👍

[@alyssayoung6674]

vegan purists are ableist simple as that. you’re doing the most you can ❤️

[@colonelstunts4885]

sometimes you gotta have the forbidden egg ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@schnabeltiertv]

Did that one guy really just fatshame her?? seriously? "UV is not lean, is she?" Excuse me? Maybe she isn't, but 'lean' is not the only healthy bodytype out there. This is just wrong for so many reasons.... Give him that strike, he deserves it.

[@reeaader]

Not even that. She doesn’t normally show her whole body, so what is he basing that off of? The fact that her collar bones arent sticking out like crazy? Or the fact she has breasts. God forbid 🙄

[@treefrog1018]

Double strike

[@natashabot4838]

I am all over the map when it comes to my KZbin preferences, one day I ended up in Freelees comment section and it was one of the ugliest places on the internet that I've seen. I have wanted to leave you a comment since then to say that I really appreciate your level headed view point and rational thinking and explanations.

[@stevenousleyII]

Brand new here, I'm a carnivore on the mend, but thanks for the stellar content. P.s. it's nice to find a Vegan creator that's actually intelligent. 💕

[@twinklybones8952]

“carnivore on the mend” love that!! 😂💛

[@stevenousleyII]

@@twinklybones8952 hey, thanks but at least I'm honest, right? Subbed to your channel! I'm Kyan and it's a pleasure meeting you here. XO💕

[@nananinanana656]

You still paying for animals' throats to be slit?

[@alluneedislessthan3]

I appreciate you a lot. You’re kind of the only person in my ear telling me to strive for better (since I unfollowed toxic vegans years ago). I’ve been straying away from abstaining from animal products because it’s just easier and I’ve been stressed since i quit my job and haven’t had money to eat my favorite vegan foods, but when I watch your videos it reminds me to reduce my intake. Love your content! 💕

[@anabeldorothea212]

Yes make another! And a podcast would be nice. Hihi

[@sophieh.2986]

Anabel Dorothea absolutely!!!

[@danikamcleod707]

I would absolutely listen to a podcast run by her!

[@ashshopalot]

@@danikamcleod707 @anabeldorothea a podcast would be great!

[@nataliebrosow7225]

Oh my god, I was thinking about that so many times! Yes to podcast!

[@thegerda9030]

What makes me the happiest is seeing all the comments that mention you as the reason for you becoming vegan or vegetarian. You all are doing amazing job!

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

Hi Swayze, thank you for taking the time to acknowledge smaller KZbinrs! 💕 Watching this video, however, made me a little sad. It depicts how there are still a lot of people who have such a faulty way of thinking critically and understanding how veganism is very dependent on context, which is why so many people are holding back from calling themselves vegan or even trying. 😔 We’re all so grateful for vegans like you! 💛

[@martam.1994]

Can you make a separate video about Gojiman? I used to follow him but then he started to sell poop tests and basically claims that every health problem is gut related and can be cured without medication.

[@jaminwaite3867]

Without medication? Never heard that from him. He’s had to prescribe antibiotics for one of his case study patients and often uses antimicrobials to treat things like SIBO

[@Randomnescz]

I'm still confused about gojiman's credentials. Is a "nutrionist" in the UK the same thing as a dietician in the US? Also, do dieticians usually test your poop? Gojiman's gut testing focus gives me the impression of naturopathic doctors, chiropractic doctors, and alternative health practicioners. They tend to use excessive tests & supplements to milk money out of people. Is Gojiman just a "nutritionist" with an online certificate? Is he actually enrolled in Chiropractic school, but trying to give off the impression he's enrolled in an actual university, getting a masters degree in dietetics?

[@martam.1994]

@@Randomnescz Registered Dieticians are regulated by law and have to have a minimum of BSc Hons in Dietetics. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist though. But nutritionists in the UK have their own body called the UK Voluntary Register of Nutritionists (UKVRN) and Health and Care Professions Council. It is difficult to verify someone's credentials because you don't have to register as a nutritionist.

[@darthsidius9631]

He is a total quack I think he shouldn't get any following and I hope unnatural vegan making video about him won't give him any views/subs

[@danielaxc2900]

Nah the dude's a huge quack. He pretty much defended fullyrawkristina in her response video she made and seems to imply Swayze compromised by treating her depression with meds. He also went around "hearting" antagonistic comments or ones saying she looks depressed. Pretty unprofessional stuff, made me unsub from him after binging his videos prior.

[@denisevictoria5134]

Freelee has been saying for months that she is making a video on you please react to it in this way😂

[@annyfascia]

Denise Victoria oooooooh!!!!! Where did she say that?

[@veganforthem76]

Anny Paola instagram stories, the community tab of her channel, the comment section of her videos and even in a couple of videos on her “frugivore channel”. She first said it in October, we all know how often she follows through with her plans though 😂

[@HarbingerBK]

Yes this was fun. I was actually like rooting for the other youtubers to get further through their videos before striking out just so you could respond more lol.

[@qtunicorn2123]

I admire your thick skin. This was hard to watch for me, and if it was said about me I would not be nearly as composed.

[@le_Gay]

This is me leaving a comment saying i liked this video - "I liked this video." -A Person 2020/02/27

[@LaedeeTyme]

the algorithm liked this

[@ThisIsNuckingFuts]

Nice

[@laurenceapitz1678]

the incel with the weird accent trying to fat shame you was a cult moment ... you dealt with it beautifully 😉

[@IzumiCurtiss]

I saw a part of a response that vegan lawyer made to you and MAN, that was pure obtuse misrepresentantion and misunderstanding of every single thing you say, it was so unbearable

[@MissStillAlive]

Vegans in the public eye can be so obnoxious. I‘m an ethical vegan, and I eat oil (and have literally never thought about not doing so) and I also think animal products should not go to waste if it already exists and the harm has been done (it‘s been bought and it would be thrown away)... I‘m so glad that you exist as a public figure to show that vegans can be logical and that veganism and harm reduction can be approachable without having to 100% pure gold star vegan

[@cheystar6]

I have been eating vegan for over 10 years but I don’t even like the associate with the community anymore because it’s become so negative. Encouraging people to eat mostly plant based is fantastic and helps so many animals. The all or nothing approach discourages so many people from even trying ... anyway I love your videos! Thank you for making this 🙂

[@ganasde65]

I love how That Annoying Vegan couple got 3 strikes so quickly lol

[@NaeOnYT]

If "at home vegan" doesn't count, then I know a lot of people who are eating animal products *maybe* once a week, but somehow still suck.

[@lilo19951995]

I call myself a “wallet vegan” because I do not purchase animal/cruelty products, but I will consume or use them if I am invited into another person’s house and the food/products have already been purchased by someone else. I’ll always ask for a veggie option but sometimes you can’t have it your way especially when it comes to dairy/eggs or someone’s finances. I think I’m doing good but I don’t call myself just “vegan” lol.. I dunno

[@stephenshuman1]

lila l Wouldn’t that make you a “Freegan”? Because your trying to not waste food?

[@lilo19951995]

Stephen Shuman Oh, maybe... the way UV seemed to define Freeganism made it sound a bit more restrictive 🤷‍♀️”wallet vegan” just seems to encapsulate what I do a bit easier

[@Karin141622]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I pretty much stopped associating with the label vegan/the community altogether, it's such an exhausting environment, but this is basically the ethical position I came to (I used freegan for a while, apparently that's also not correct according to some people, whatever). I don't really feel guilty for that. What I do feel kinda guilty about is not having the spoons to participate in AR activism, I feel like effective activism can do more good than any individual consumer action at the end of the day...

[@KattReen]

Wallet vegan is a good term, idk if it's a self-explanatory one though. I might hear it and think that it's vegan on a budget, rather than vegan with exceptions. But when this explanation follows, it hardly matters. Made it quite clear. I think you're doing good too!

[@lilo19951995]

Cat Tricks thank you 😄

[@nottt5203]

I like this alot! Please keep going. this video is like your "I was wrong" videos in my brain-category of 'types of UV videos that I like."

[@JasonHardt]

Missed opportunity: "I couldn't do eleven, that would just be... odd."

[@darmonmade6237]

"not lean" ?? The actual fork ? She is and looks awesome

[@georgieroberts8697]

“You can still be conservative and be vegan” ... I think we found ourselves a conservative!

[@celiauranius9581]

I liked the point brought up in your tweet about voting. I think that is something that is often overlooked in certain types of activism, as well as points like voting with your dollar; ie supporting certain companies by spending your money on their products. I would really enjoy a video from you breaking down these arguments, as I feel they're not talked about enough!

[@celiauranius9581]

Another point could be eating vegan at fast food restaurants by "veganizing" menu items, or ordering specifically marketed vegan foods from typically non-vegan restaurants. I'm still vegan if I spend my money at Taco Bell, or am I not because Taco Bell primarily sells animal products?

[@celiauranius9581]

@@OxundHeiner Thank you for your reply! I definitely agree with all of the points you have made. I think companies are picking up on the fact consumer trends are changing and there really is a market for more plant-based alternatives to traditional products. All we can manage to do is try our best, be aware of our actions/impact, and stay active! I think it's great you've thought about things such as leather seats on the train and have taken action by writing an email to the company, because in the long run those little things can make a big difference! Keep up the great work :)

[@KattReen]

Boycotting is a tricky form of activism, especially as it's often paired with very vocal discontent online and is too short-lived to make a difference. It's often shown to have the opposite effect when it's towards a specific brand or company. People getting very angry in association with a company name can be a very cheap form of marketing for a company. If the internet meat-heads learned that vegans for whatever reason despise Taco Bell now, guess which chain would see a drastic rise in sales for a period of time? Lol. I personally believe it to be more effective when it's directed at an entire industry, but also leaving the door open for the same manufacturers to just produce things you would be willing to buy. Also you'd probably have to live somewhere in hollywood and have a big food budget to just boycott any manufacturer, store or chain that has animal products. People that want to believe the world is black and white will have a hard time navigating through reality, since it's mostly in the grey.

[@SuperSarahwithanH]

I find the phenomena of activist or minority communities policing themselves so heavily -- in some cases more than the opposition-- so fascinating. I think your point about identity purity is probably a large factor! Love your videos x

[@Dynamaik0220]

I just don't believe that people can be categorized into "good an bad" or "better and worse". Maybe there are good actions and good intentions, but even those are subjective.

[@keanewaah5517]

Maik Kiehlmann are you saying you don’t think it’s fair to judge the worth of a complex human being as good vs bad because it’s reductive and ignores the complexity of human experience OR are you arguing for the moral relativism taken to the nihilistic extreme where nothing is good or bad thus nothing anyone does matters? Just genuinely curious.

[@Dynamaik0220]

@@keanewaah5517 the former, I am most definitely not a nihilist. There are just so many things to consider when trying to declare a person as good/bad or better/worse that it's not only unfair, but virtually impossible to do so. The only thing you may say is: " person A contributed more to X cause than person B" but that does not mean that A is a better person than B or that B is not contributing enough, and even that is hard to judge without knowing literally every little detail.

[@ONeill01]

@@Dynamaik0220 Your a better version of yourself, would be an apt description if you went vegan, in the same vein if you are a nonracist. However, I do believe that history will judge us harshly, we think slavery, jailing LGBT people for being who they are, women treated as second class citizens, is abhorred by many people, as people scratch there heads why there was such immoral practises and injustice in the past, likewise, I believe they will judge us for the unnecessary annual slaughter of trillions of animals for exploitation, would be in their eyes the greatest injustice they had ever heard of.

[@sophieh.2986]

i just watched a video from „those annoying vegans“ and was reminded why I love your channel. you are honest, clear and at the same time just a nice person with empathy for others. just thanks that veganism has you, we need more like you

[@sensiblecrime7699]

I refer to myself as a half-assed vegan.

[@lightninglove222]

So the discussion on vegan identity and cognitive dissonance (CD henceforth) was very interesting and I personally related to it. I was fully vegan (minus mistakes I guess) for like 2.5 years and then decided to stop because I thought it would improve my mental health. At first I was numb, ordering whatever and eating whatever, but when I got out of that and my life overall got better, the CD really started kicking in, because I couldn't justify to myself that eating animals was ok, I just had to admit it was convenient and tastier, and that admission ate at me until I decided for my 2019 new year's resolution to go vegetarian, and a few days before 2020 to just bite the bullet and go vegan. I've made mistakes, I've given myself allowances that swiftly brought on some CD (I'm talking allowing beeswax twice and misordering cheese once and eating it, nothing too major) and that discomfort has and continues to really pointed me in the right direction after 2 years of being numb. When I wasn't vegan I used to say that I was ethically aligned with veganism and that distance between my values and my actions took it's time to close up but it sure did. I guess what I'm trying to say is that since the first time I went vegan that identity remained despite my actions, and that identity (which only changed in name to "ethically aligned with veganism") is what brought my actions back into alignment with my values

[@stinepetersen861]

38:10 "things we know to be true"? Like when doctors believed in the four humors because they knew it to be true? And that puss was necessary for wound healing because it allways happened? And people believed the earth was in the middle of the solar system. And that the earth was flat. Oh wait...

[@ThisIsNuckingFuts]

Hahaha we know nothing it’s so funny

[@kieralovesjoxer123]

You are the only person that has made me want to consciously start to reduce my animal product intake. For example I've started drinking almond milk, eating only non-dairy ice cream, and having a couple days a week where I dont eat any meat. Small steps, but every time I watch a video of yours you inspire me even more.

[@Brainfryde]

Diabetics eventually learn that Fat is your friend, and Carbs are not. It all becomes triglycerides, and if you end up with more glucose than you burn, your body will convert it to be absorbed as fat. Appetite will harm you as much as your calorie counts, and a good balance of fats and carbs will suppress your appetite longer than the same number of calories in just carbs. This allows you to eat fewer calories per hour, despite eating a potentially higher calorie food. What proportion you need is not predictable by anyone, especially 20 somethings from middle class families who barely know the word scarcity. Calories are key, and finding the right proportion of carbs/fat/protein is a process each person must make for themselves. None of them are bad, none of them are good. And it is worth remembering we have names for the diseases that occur when you try to eliminate one of these "macro nutrients" from your diet. Good morning, Good day and Good night!

[@silenayepezmata8663]

I'm fully in line with Tofu Goddess here. You can encourage others to reduce their animal consumption, etc. But "veganism" is not a diet, it's a philosophy based on animal rights, so when someone who has definitely adapted to being vegan then chooses to buy a candy bar or buy something that has animal ingredients on it, then they are not vegan. I'm sorry but this is an all or nothing, at least for the animals. I will always applaud and encourage people who take baby steps to going plant based, but will never call them vegan until they make the connection and stop paying for animal suffering.

[@Lucy-io7pt]

I feel like a lot of Vegans are not realistic. There is no way in hell that everyone on the planet is going to go Vegan. There is no way in hell everyone is going to go zero waste. So, every step closer is more than good enough. For example I've always eaten meat and now I eat vegetarian (and dairy free) and get my eggs from a family friend who has chickens and I know looks after them in way of a pet rather than a food source. And maybe one day I'll be fully Vegan. But going Vegan over night isn't at all sustainable.

[@stephenshuman1]

Lucy whats stopping you from going vegan now?

[@ONeill01]

Not everyone is going stop being racist, sexist or being a bigot, but it doesn't mean we should stop aiming for that right?

[@Lucy-io7pt]

@@ONeill01 No, but everyone being nicer is better than no one being nicer.

[@Lucy-io7pt]

@@stephenshuman1 I don't have any control over my own food as I do not provide my own food as due to disabilities I don't currently work. If it were up to my care givers i.e. My family they would feed me dairy, which I am allergic to. And meat. Because it would be easier. So unfortunately, I don't have many options and eating dairy free, vegetarian is pretty darn close and doesn't make me feel like a bad person for eating eggs from a family friend.

[@miamichel4586]

Thank you for another refreshingly rational and unbiased video. That was really entertaining, please make another like this. This is the kind of content I can use when I am talking to fellow vegans. So many of my vegan friends buy into the whole raw, wholefoods, high carb, protein doesn't matter, fat is bad thing. I'm going to use something you said here, it's true, essential fatty acids like omegas are essential parts of any healthy diet. I tried doing the whole "raw" vegan thing and I was bloated and hungry at the same time! I think that's around the time I started following you, a year ago. I love your responses to Freelee the Banana Girl and Fully Raw Kristina. You led me back to cooked foods and not demonizing foods that I love. Thank you! I love your channel!

[@nadines.1107]

‚Every little bit helps. The more the better obviously but it is something.‘ yesyesyes. Why does it have to be all or nothing? Especially in the beginning ‚almost vegan with little exceptions that otherwise would prevent me to start in the first place‘ is great! I wouldn’t be vegan now if I hadn’t allowed me milk in the Coffee in the first months. I wouldn’t have dared to start. At one point I wanted to eliminate that but as well, once the ethics got me. I didn’t become vegan for ethical reasons but it is definitely the reason I am staying vegan.

[@thegerda9030]

The last few minutes at the end of each video when you just rumble on are always my favourite

[@AskYourself]

Wonder when I’ll get the reply to my debunk of UV’s objectivism. Happy to debate anytime.

[@veganpowers9112]

She would Never do it

[@ahmed0955]

Ask Yourself why debate people how have no experience in debates

[@gavinhillick]

Why would you? She doesn't believe in that any more.

[@AskYourself]

Gavin Hillick - Not in the Randian sense. She’s an objectivist wrt the ontology of moral values. She thinks moral values exist objectively. But it’s totally unclear what she means by that.

[@gavinhillick]

@@AskYourself Well in that case it was very unclear what you meant in your first comment.

[@kokomiiiiii-_-]

You are one of the rare vegan channels I continue watching, because your head is in the right place. I was vegetarian as a teenager, but it was difficult to sustain living in a small town with a culture that is massively based on meat, so I had to give it up after a few years. When I moved to a big city by myself I slowly went pescatarian, vegetarian and eventually vegan. Because I had problems with my skin I eventually got my diet obsessively clean - no fat at all (

[@kellyhyland821]

It really seems like you do your best to honestly represent the literature of nutrition (which, as a scientist in another field, seems muddled as hell so props to you for that). I have started vegetarianism since watching your videos (2 weeks now, so early days, but I’m really trying). the hang up for me has always been confusion/doubt about health benefits associated and honestly annoyance with the pseudo-scientific voices in veganism. Your videos helped me focus on moral reasons which I think had always underlied my interest. Just vegetarian for now, but still credit these videos quite a bit. Thank you!

[@hannihballwinter6107]

As someone who hates the sound of chewing, the video of 'those annoying vegans' was agonising! Anyway, I really like this new format:)

[@JeremyJenner]

This is like a dream, I always wanted to see you drag Tofu Goddess, Those Annoying Vegans or Vegan Footsoldier but never thought I'd see the day since they're so irrelevant. And for all three to be in one video too- best gift ever.

[@emerald-kl9st]

Please, more videos like this. Also, your rant on Shape of Water was fucking hilarious. I'm a film buff, and I don't disagree lolol (also The Lighthouse was fucking amazing and probably the best film of 2019)

[@aspinamick1238]

I'm not vegan but I really appreciate your videos and have encouraged me to reduce my animal product consumption by A LOT. It has even helped me figure out how to approach my huge meat eater boyfriend in a way that has encouraged him to reduce his as well. Starting almost a year I started looking into environmental issues and checking out vegan channels out of curiosity. My bf was initially very skeptical of it all (has had bad experiences with extremists that turned him off to it all and pushed him in the opposite direction), but keeping documentaries on in the background and not talking in an extremist way has brought him around to being open to meatless and dairy-free options. He has since encouraged and helped me find dairy-free options in almost everything. Last might we even had our first vegan meal without labeling it so and he really enjoyed it and said he would want to try more options. Approaching it as an environmental issue and as exploring curiosity in meatless and dairy-free options rather than an extreme stance has really opened both of us up to these options. I dont think we will ever be a vegan household but we have definitely reduced our consumption a lot.

[@renatagp7570]

Great response I really love how you explain your points, that's why I love your channel

[@BestLifeByBrooke]

Oh yes. I love this. Like button smashed.

[@jennathebookworm]

I was fully vegan for almost a year & I struggled a lot with it. Eating out was so difficult. I went out to a breakfast restaurant once and ordered a burrito with no meat or cheese. The first try they accidentally put chicken in it. I sent it back because A) I was vegan and B) eating meat gives me terrible diarrhea (I had been vegetarian for 2 years prior to going vegan and still am vegetarian). The second try it had no meat, but did have cheese. At this point, I felt bad sending it back! That would be 2 completely wasted meals. So I ate it, even though I was vegan. I’m still 99% vegan now, but because of the intensity of judgement that I’d get for doing things (like eating the improperly made food served to me at restaurants to avoid excessive food waste) that were not 100% ‘vegan’ I abandoned the label entirely.

[@Pageh22]

I would watch future responses but honestly your above any of the content you’ve just responded to. I’ll respect and watch whatever content you choose to share. You’ve earned the respect of my views and I trust if you feel you should respond, it is needed.

[@user-se2qs5uu6w]

Man, I love your logic UV.

[@jessielorente8918]

This is random, but I was recently witness to a heated Facebook debate between a vegan and a non-vegan about abortion of all things. The premise of the debate essentially, if vegans have a problem with taking the lives of animals, shouldn’t they be pro-life? As you can imagine,

[@jessielorente8918]

Sorry, didn’t mean to post yet...as you can imagine the post went crazy. I’ve never been seen such a long debate on Facebook. Would you consider this topic?

[@johnnyli4702]

@@jessielorente8918 she already has a video on abortion

[@Bean-hz8jo]

I think Its SO important that vegans are advocating for a 'slow' approach, for meat eaters entering veganism. I have disordered eating - so, i struggle with getting enough food down and have a mighty hard time going about my day whenever i shed a kilo or two. Cutting out a large part of my diet seems counterintuitive and dangerous to me and my doctor, despite the fact that ive for a long time been open to veganism. I also love sushi. Your 'go vegan except for x' approach is really helpful not only to a person who didnt happen to have some disordered eating or a crazy sensitive stomach (bleeding stomach wounds when i was 12, dont even know how i did it!) and just as a person who loves sushi and would have a hard time giving it up.... but ESPECIALLY for those of us who need to have a talk with our doctor about any kind of 'restrictive' diet, where its not just our choice to go vegan. If it was up to me id go vegan except for sushi and be grand. I have to start even smaller than that and just do my best from there. You can feel ridicolous doing that, but its nice to know someone out there's got you.

[@abner2244]

I just appreciate you so much! Your well-planned and consistent arguments are such a breath of fresh air.