Unpacking Jaidyn Stephenson's SHOCK retirement + No change to sub rules? - SEN

[@JohnWooly]

If a player goes off for HIA why wouldn’t the sub be included straight away? If the player is cleared the “sub” comes off and the team isn’t punished for having a players well being looked after

[@littletops5726]

Man what is corns on about. Jordan Degoey is a star. Was huge in the 2018 GF and Huge in 2024 not to mention his other finals performances. One of the best big game players of the modern era. Hand on heart are you taking Ollie Wines or Degoey?? Who cares if he’s not super consistent during the home and away season he’s a fast twitch player and a proven match winner when it counts. Would be one of the first players I’d pick if I was building a team to win a GF. Put some respect on JDG’s name

[@Tosicc567]

DeGoey cant just show up for 4 games in his career and be considered a star lol He's had some good games but 95% of them are trash for how much he gets paid. Nowhere near one of the best big game players, the delusion is wild, not saying he isnt a good big game player but far from the best to be worth his price. I'd take 20 mids over him

[@littletops5726]

@@Tosicc567 except you can’t put a price on being able to clutch up and slot a goal from outside 50 in a Grand-final. “Collingwood stars just went and wrenched the cup back!” That moment is more important in Collingwood folklore than Nathan Buckleys whole career and Buckley is probably a player corns would put on a pedestal.

[@Tosicc567]

@@littletops5726 In that logic jake stringer is on par with him... A flag doesnt mean he has been an amazing player. There's genuinely no reason to have a convo with you if you think that makes a players career great. He's been 10% of what he could have been, made constant off field mistakes. Regularly not been fit in seasons ect... He shows up when it suits him and doesnt put in the work when the team is struggling. Where was he this year when he was needed? Absolutely nowhere because he doesnt care. Frampton is as good as him with your logic. Nathan Buckley is an all time great because of the effort he put in, he didnt win a flag but he has a legacy that far surpasses degroper showing up a few times...

[@littletops5726]

@@Tosicc567 I’ll take a team of winners over a team of triers. Degoey has proven time and time again that he’s a star. After the media tried to chew him up in 2022 he bounced back with a career best season and left with the cup. If Collingwood win another flag in the next two years with JDG in the team will it change your mind?? Or are you just a hater Keep putting in all that effort and we’ll keep winning brother #flagpies

[@Tosicc567]

Will Ashcroft has already had a better career than DeGoey being 20 and doing an alc...Far more professional and consistent, notice how I didnt need to mention the same team achievement that degoey has oh and his individual achievement of the normsmith. A 20 year old is already better than him lmao

[@TopFix]

I think if a player retires that isn't the time to sledge him or to criticize his career... reckon that can wait until a little later.

[@blake.henderson]

In this case it's okay as it was brought on by his own actions like fracturing his hip drunk on a motorbike and betting on games. Hardly a saint himself. Not that anyone wants him kicked whilst down, but it is what it is.

[@gustaaf1892]

Some players have all the talent in the world without having the mentality required to succeed in top sport. Talent alone is not enough. What ifs buy you SFA. Cornes is once again implying that North has a lot to answer for, but Collingwood could obviously see the writing on the wall when they made the decision to move him out of the club at such a young age. He is right about North being very poor at recruiting players that other clubs are happy to be rid of, which should be a red flag for potential buyers.

[@vigour6786]

Kane spot on about DeGoey, great player in certain moments but a long way off being a HOF player in my opinion.

[@barelyamused966]

Kane says "would Horne Francis have done as well in the best and fairest and member of all Australian in his 3rd year... Well sheezel did So either Kane's wrong or sheezel is a better player ...

[@Foxa2312]

Kane loves a North Melbourne dig.

[@gustaaf1892]

Frothing at the mouth at every opportunity.

[@dakidd729]

Well they are an absolute joke

[@lukemate2783]

He’s only human

[@chook2870]

Truth hurts

[@Jason_vorhees99999]

And? Good. What a terrible club dragging down the rest of comp by refusing to relocate for so many decades.

[@charlesca5763]

If I played for North I'd want to retire too

[@Alwaysthinkingatthemoon]

@ Kane Cornes you lost me when you mentioned Degoey. Lets recap, in the 2018 Prelim Degoey took Rance to the cleaners kicking 4 goals, something that hadnt been done that year. He then kicked 3 in the GF as a midfielder as many as Josh Kennedy who was a permenant forward, had his team mates done more there's a GF win. In 2022 he dominated the prelim v Geelong kicking 2 final quarter goals. Then in 2023 he dominates GWS in the preliminary before kicking 2 critical goals in the 2023 GF v Brisbane on one of the best taggers in the league in Dunkley (just look at what Dunkley did to Heeney this year). He is an out and out champion, an impact player and way more valuable than these dinkey midfielders Kane loves that run 30 metres to recieve a handball around the back and give off a 10 metre sideways kick to accumulate 35 meaningless possessions.

[@JM-br6vc]

You’ve just proved kanes point. He’s a moments player

[@Alwaysthinkingatthemoon]

@@JM-br6vc I just proved how ridiculours his point is. Yes Degoey might be a moments player...the biggest moments of all winning prelims and grand finals. Not gathering 30 with handpasses at footy park. Kane makes the point that he will have regrets at age 45...will he? Id prefer to be looking back at my career as Degoey than say Matt Crouch racking them up for no outcome

[@master_macchiato3222]

@@JM-br6vcyeah big moments - I personally don’t give a shit about H&A performers who fail on the last Sat of Sept

[@danielnajdek]

@@JM-br6vc Yeah his a game winner. Your point is?

[@littletops5726]

@@Alwaysthinkingatthemoon cops so much disrespect. Kane just doing it for attention but JDG is one of the most impactful player when it matters. He always stands up when others go missing

[@coreytrevorlahey3058]

Waste of talent? Nobody will ever compare with Nathan Ablett! By all reports had MORE talent than his older brother and at 195cm could have been one of the greats

[@gustaaf1892]

That one was inexplicable. He performed well on the park for the Cats, but he just chucked it in.

[@fallawmyo_fitness]

@@gustaaf1892 the club got him a chippy apprenticeship lol

[@hanspiechoki7521]

Watched him play a bit, he really didn’t have that much talent, he would admit that himself

[@andrewharris4268]

If you evaluate someone as having a ‘waste of talent’ then you’re just not evaluating the whole package. Lazy.

[@travelwithroland2]

Not everyone is built for the public life that football brings. He kicked 2 in a GF win! He was impressive and sadly left. But he was successful… in his short career

[@bradelz]

Remember when Kane said the Dogs should've traded Josh Dunkley for Jaidyn Stephenson hahahahaha.

[@darthpunk5455]

It's Ken Hinkley's fault Jaidyn retired. Sack Hinkley.

[@ChristianComito-e7d]

I blame Trump. 😂

[@chrisserong4966]

Kane, Jaidyn was at a strong club! The Pies made the GF in 2018, Prelim in 2019 and SF in 2020. They did loads to try and help him but the kid made poor choices so they did what all strong clubs should do - moved him on

[@davidhandson2429]

No more than 10 rotations a quarter. Force them to play to their actual position or be too exhausted to continue. I'm sick of all the congestion.

[@lockedout8643]

Jaidyn doesn't have to live his life how you blokes want him too. Good luck to him, hope he enjoys his non footy life.

[@rahmcgah5144]

He's been half the player he was after he broke his hip during the bike incident.

[@AgrippaPetronius1903]

Kane has defined his role to perfection, smell blood and then feed, it’s not personal it just pays the bills and someone has to do it.

[@servercannell5853]

He should go for lunch with Ben Simmons.

[@chrisj6321]

Jarred Waite and Shaun Higgins probably last two great successes.

[@Hotrodstuntman]

Geez Kane give North a rest would you its getting a bit much now. To say Horne Francis is better at Port because he's not at North is an absolute joke. The guy absolutely sooked it up and bailed so he could go home im failing to see how its all Norths fault?

[@chrisschneiders6734]

Yes kane does carry on about North, only thing l would add is that culture in a football club can make a massive difference, years ago l read an article about brisbane lions by leigh matters saying how bad the lions were considering the players are all earning the same money in each club(salary cap)so the lions played badly for good money yet excepted there poor gamesmanship and effort, also payed out on club management etc. That was the start of rebuilding management and players..7 years later a premiership. Mattews has always been a big supporter of lions coach fagan.. Fagan acknowledged that this year after flag.. That's club culture.

[@hazza6963]

"but they have" haha say it again sammy thank you!

[@timmcgrath9708]

Is this what 3 strikes looks like?

[@gustaaf1892]

Never even gave any thought to that, but I don't think so. This is explains why he has been playing without passion and commitment for a long time now. His heart was clearly not in it.

[@timmcgrath9708]

@@gustaaf1892 We will never know

[@graemeleigh]

Wow, I can only think of two things appropriate to this little gabfest. Here's one of them. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings-nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much; If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!

[@OverconfidentCromSupporter]

Would've happened regardless. Not sure what he's on about what if he didn't go to North? He was off the rails at the biggest club in the AFL so yes i think it wouldn't have mattered where he was traded

[@gustaaf1892]

He also went to the club that he supported before being drafted by Collingwood, so was clearly happy to go there when the Pies decided to move him on.

[@vigour6786]

His point was about being supported from a better club. Sure he was moved on from Collingwood but going to Geelong or North Melbourne is a night and day difference. North have had one of the weakest systems top to bottom through the club so Kanes point is valid.

[@gustaaf1892]

@@vigour6786 And you know this how? Do you know Sleevo personally? Have you ever spoken to him? Do you know what his issues are? Do you know if he was receiving any professional help to deal with any of his issues? How do you know Geelong would have succeeded where North failed, if that is what North did? Do you know what support programmes North put into place for Sleevo? I bet the answer to all those questions is a resounding "NO", so you have no basis for saying what you have. It is just in your MT head.

[@vigour6786]

@@gustaaf1892 "How do you know Geelong would have succeeded where North failed", I don’t, and Kane doesn't but the point is that he would probably would have had a far better chance at a stronger club like Geelong. Sure we don't know but the writing is on the wall, North have been objectively one of the worst clubs for the better part of a decade while Geelong have made strides and records in the same amount of time. Your argument of "well we don’t know what could have happened so your point is flawed" is wrong. If I roll two 6 sided dice and try to get an even number on both dice but one is missing 2 and 4 while the other has all even numbers, you'd expect the one with more even numbers to have a better chance at rolling even. That isn't to say that the other dice could've still rolled an even number while the proper dice still rolled odd.

[@gustaaf1892]

@@vigour6786 What an utterly flawed analogy. You are just having a wild guess without any evidence or knowledge, which makes you clueless.

[@vigour6786]

North has been the retirement home for some decent players in recent years, play out the last 2 or 3 years of your contracts at a laid back club who hasn't gone anywhere in years. No finals no worries.

[@Bilbo_191]

I think the Covid period definitely affected Jayden as well! He was a superstar and was offered way too much after his junior year

[@MAD-HATTER-1996]

bell, abraham,higgins,weight, dal , all excelled at NORTH CORN as for fish give him a moment can play

[@brandonclarke9651]

Shaun Higgins is norths best recruit from another club in the last 15 years

[@deanrwilson]

Jaidyn has been over football for a while.! Not sure why it is a surprise? He is over footy and has no passion for it. This has been visible in his game for a while too. If you don't enjoy the game then you won't play well.

[@guyh9992]

The media is still disappointed that it lost the capacity to slam Collingwood over the 2020 "fire sale" when Stephenson, Treloar, Phillips and Bosenavulagi proved to be limited players at their new clubs. Similar story with Grundy, Adams and Ginnivan this year. Ginnivan is slow and soft, chances are that he will become a whipping boy when Hawthorn starts losing.

[@nathand4500]

Treloar is an AA.

[@kezp8114]

​@@nathand4500 yeah Treloar is an absolute gun

[@xx_jeff_xx5555]

Yep it’s hilarious , people with short memories often have trouble understanding how funny I find it that people actually think the 20-21 seasons of pies counted for anything. They dipped , refreshed and have already won a fucking flag.

[@timmcgrath9708]

@@kezp8114Unless it’s a big game

[@StanCash-xj6ie]

Ginnivan's 3 brownlow votes vs Pies looks to have stung badly... 😂😂

[@camerontait3786]

Cornes and his whinging is so exhausting.

[@stevelozevski8151]

You don't have to watch

[@foxtrot_in_socks1589]

Lost passion for the game? So we'll see him at Gold Coast in 6 months

[@terencestella]

Must have hit that dream multi we're all after

[@nevvanclarke9225]

I don't think the game now is a game. I think it's a business and I think the players don't actually really enjoy playing. If you were to do it an honest sitdown survey of all the players in the league. It would be minimal on actually how many enjoy it? Even it's a fan now I don't enjoy all of what goes with footy. It's become too obsessive around performance for what that your team might win and then you get to celebrate for 10 minutes the heart and soul of the game has completely utterly changed and these kids come into the game dreaming of being a great footballer but immediately I get to a club. It's business business business business with very little regard to their mental health that well-being and so on and so on and look at Joe Danniher while he's not 25 he could've easily played for another two or three years. We are going to see more and more players leave the game.

[@deanrwilson]

You make a very good point. That's it in a nutshell.

[@nevvanclarke9225]

@deanrwilson I work in addictions as a counsellor and see it mate. When people say look at the money...hmmn pressure . NO AMOUNT of money outweighs pressure these guys are under.

[@chrisschneiders6734]

Yes, the lions did seem to enjoy this year and did seem to really want a flag, l was shocked that big joe pulled the pin, especially when lions could get a flag or two in the next few years..still can't believe it !!!!.

[@nevvanclarke9225]

@@chrisschneiders6734 how would you like to be criticised when you play one bad game? Like so many people on social media? Just keyboard warrior and the constant scrutiny makes it hard? I think we take the game way too seriously and this place is pressure on people. We just need to go to the footy and enjoy it and stop seeing it as life and death because it's not. It's just a game that we like to enjoy and the level of scrutiny on these players is ridiculous. It's gone too far and this is why good players are leaving the game and why some good young players don't even make it because of the pressure.

[@rayzasrant6192]

Wow Kane s still but hurt over Huston now he is having a dig at JD look at port how many underachievers that port have like there captain Conner and I could name a lot more

[@timmcgrath9708]

Dusty has an elite reputationand according to Kane De Goey has been disappointing but their career stats are not that far apart.

[@Ita-tony]

I'd say that the AFL system is to blame for Jayden's retirement to some extent. From the day these kids are drafted, they are bombarded with an insurmountable amount of crap shooting by the media, that would kill anyone's love for playing the game. Everything that's AFL is so over cooked, and over the top, that for some players it can turn into a drowning in diahorria stew. This can be the case for club supporters too. I predict that going forward, there will be many more young players, premature burnouts. In AFL, like most other sports there is way too much hype, and it kills the pure substance that the game needs.

[@Collingwoodfan420]

He couldn't hold a job for 8 years at the top level ,not good enough 🙄

[@wishmaster4089]

Time for Corny to retire now 🙄 absolute flog

[@JacksonColeGolfs]

Why? His take is spot on

[@wishmaster4089]

@@JacksonColeGolfs Stevo was misbehaving and toxic when he was at COLLINGWOOD, and you reckon if he only went to Sydney or Geelong he would've sorted his shit out? He's been under Clarko for 2 seasons and previously under Bucks at the biggest club in the country and still couldn't come good. Come on...

[@johnkaxos4509]

Bloke retires due to his mental health. Cornes lays the boots in calling him a weak player. Just what you want to hear from the radio when you already hate yourself. Do we need to see a player take his life before we back off on this clickbait crap. Bloke's retired, you don't need to shoot down his character. Bringing Degoey into the argument is bizarre. Bloke has had an injury interrupted career but still provided many highlights including a finals record most would love to have. Big game player if ever there was one. Most people laud such players, not the Kane who thinks it's a waste. Clueless!

[@jaih5529]

Poster boy for having all the talent in the world but the IQ of a brick

[@zballer45j15]

JHF, Thomas, Stephenson…

[@gustaaf1892]

And?

[@bbnnnnnnnn-i2i]

JHF-FIGJAM (in it for himself), Thomas - had issues bigger than football, Stephenson- just didn't want to be there.anyone who saw him play at North could tell he wasn't committed.

[@danieljdtaylor]

He made a mess for himself and then being traded to a dire club in North Melbourne sealed his fate. Another club with a more dynamic game style and more success may have saved him from himself.

[@BradleyTurner-s6o]

Why don't U just talk about 15 metres kicking c'mon,

[@lunch2102]

The sub will be around until Pendlebury breaks Boomers record then the AFL will remove it

[@Yesles21]

sam Edmund u suck up can never make an opinion only kane has an opinion

[@rayzasrant6192]

How is it Collingwoods flat they didn’t make him bet on himself I still think he should stay playing his first year at the pies he was a young gun

[@JM-br6vc]

There was 5 other players involved. He was a scape goat

[@rayzasrant6192]

@@JM-br6vc and I bet you think the earth is flat 😂😂😂😂