What is the PASS MARK for your club in 2025? - SEN

[@HorizonOfHope]

As a Collingwood fan who is super nervous about how they have mortgaged the future - I would actually say that only a flag makes this worth it. A collapse is coming no matter what due to the list's age, but a flag is absolutely makes that price worth paying 1000 times out of 10.

[@jamesbuesnel5054]

At this point it does not matter at all. Let's be honest If you didn't have I juries in 2024 you'd be in finals. McRae's system there is a total buy in and it's reliable. Start of year was just a premiership hangover.

[@TheLaughingMagpie]

@@jamesbuesnel5054at the start of the year, we weren’t hungover, we were still drunk

[@rayzasrant6192]

Are you sure your a magpie fan if you are then why are you buying into the BS the we will fall of a cliff if that is your true thoughts the maybe Collingwood isn’t for you we only want one eyed pies fans not one eyed media fans

[@andrewkerr5296]

I think Collingwood's slide will happen next year. They are still relying on a core group of players who in their 30's. Their No. 1 Key target up forward is McStay lol

[@rayzasrant6192]

@@andrewkerr5296maybe worry about your own team and instead of just listening to the media do a bit of your own research I bet Collingwood will smash who ever you support next year media boy the Magpies will be fine and finish in the top 8 for the next 10+ years have fun going for stkilda 😂😂😂😂

[@grantking4681]

Think Sydney are now the AFL's official chokers, in fact we saw the footy's going down the throats of the Swans players sideways as early as the second quarter. Two Grand Finals in three years, lose to Geelong by 81 points and Brisbane by 10 goals. Forget the Colliwobbles, if you're in a GF and Sydney's the opponent start the celebrations early!

[@HorizonOfHope]

What if Collingwood plays Sydney? Probably perpetual extra time?

[@grantsmith505]

Choke is an over used word in AFL Sydney have an incredible advantage in playing a home ground that a centre clearance can deliver the ball deep into the fwd line with a single kick... So their game style that gets them perennially into the finals simply doesn't stand up in the last game of the year... There is a reason why they fail in the GF...just saying they choke doesn't cut it

[@stevelozevski8151]

​​@@grantsmith505Please look up the ground dimensions before you type nonsense

[@grantsmith505]

@@stevelozevski8151 Just googled it SCG is the smallest AFL ground it says... So what's your point?

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@grantsmith505 three meter difference from the centre square to the goal line. If you actually looked it up you'd know there is hardly any difference

[@djcat64]

Is there a reason they don't play the audio, for example in this one of what Petracca said? Is it like a copyright thing? Cause we wanna hear it bros!

[@gustaaf1892]

I agree with Kane that 8 wins should be the minimum pass mark for North. We have been cellar dwellers for so long that we're long overdue to make a decent jump in the win column. 8 wins still won't get us out of the bottom four, but it would be a start.

[@tm866]

Kane's got everyone playing a prelim

[@stevelozevski8151]

I guess you struggle with the term pass mark🤦

[@andrewkerr5296]

Pass Mark's aren't predictions lol

[@ryanmckaye8212]

@@stevelozevski8151I guess you struggle to realise it’s not realistic for over double the amount of teams being able to play in one weekend where only 4 teams play. 10 doesn’t fit into 4 and 6 teams won’t be failing if they don’t make a prelim especially when multiple teams need to win the flag and or make the granny for a pass mark you can’t have 10-14 teams in the final fortnight of September

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@ryanmckaye8212 another person who doesn't understand the words "pass mark". 🤦

[@Letmetellyousomethin1]

@@ryanmckaye8212Yes but he is purely saying where the teams expectations should lie. He is not indicating that every team will deliver on that.

[@rowan6585]

As A Saint Fan I want finals as a minimum. Kane is the best we have ever had in media

[@sonjakozman1699]

After brownie laid him out, I actually came around to him and his input, not sure who changed but it was around that time.😊

[@ryanmckaye8212]

The best? 😂😂😂😂😂 how is someone who never admits being wrong or fault the best we’ve got? Some people just settle for mediocrity I guess

[@sonjakozman1699]

@@ryanmckaye8212 he does admit fault sometimes.

[@travprice3979]

​​@@ryanmckaye8212he's admitted he was wrong a few times. He rarely is.. People especially gen y are offended by truth though

[@PFrules]

Once again, Kane is spot on. He knows his football. Everyone who doesn't like him, just remember, he's paid to give his opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine. But attacking him is pathetic. Criticise and beat his arguments or opinion, not him.

[@karlsomers4083]

Yeah nah kane is a flog

[@blade5883]

LOL Kane Corn is a Flog

[@christopherdoolan925]

A pass mark is making September.

[@ytpdpcvn]

Kane has 10 clubs pass marks as making a Prelim!

[@stevelozevski8151]

What's wrong with that?

[@user-dm3vb1qg8k]

Kano's had a few too many punches to the head from Browny - absolute knobstick

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@user-dm3vb1qg8k I guess you're another person that doesn't understand the words "pass mark".🤦

[@Oliviben]

​@@stevelozevski8151only 8 teams make finals...

[@andrewkerr5296]

@@Oliviben Pass Mark's champ

[@timmartland01]

On the Joel Smith 4 year drug ban. This is what Andrew Dillion said. AFL CEO Andrew Dillon welcomed the ban handed to Smith. "The outcome in this matter, in which Joel Smith has been suspended for more than four years, reflects the seriousness with which the AFL treats breaches of the Australian Football Anti-Doping Code and is a salutary lesson for any player using illicit substances that are prohibited under the WADA Code," Mr Dillon said. So what about the BLOODY CLANDESTINE drug cover ups that the AFL got caught for and was forced to officially sanction???? What about THAT? Oh that's right, it is for players health. Spare me. Multiple superstars got caught doing meth so the AFL swept everything under the carpet. Joel Smith's crime was that he wasn't a star of the game. I am loathing the hypocrisy of the AFL more and more. I want to puke when ever I hear them talk about the "community game".

[@Tosicc567]

legit they've been sweeping it under the rug for years and even admitted to covering up positive tests this year lol

[@gustaaf1892]

There are another 4 Melbourne players that still have to be investigated on the basis of text messages between Smith and them. Could get ugly for the Dees.

[@barelyamused966]

Who is the Melbourne player the players said not to get ?

[@toddcuneo5730]

I wondered the same thing. Who have the Demons traded in in the last couple of years?

[@barelyamused966]

@toddcuneo5730 Ben brown? , but as a Kangas supporter I could not imagine him bring unwanted

[@raditz_awakened]

Kane, Saying no one Coach will have more eyes on them in 2025. Pretty sure Hinckley is Grand Final or Gone. Speculation all year, watch what happens when port lose 3 in a row!

[@Anfa18]

So North need to improve by 5 wins and West Coast just 1 win for a pass?

[@JeffBurn-b1i]

Thanks for the 5 seconds on West Coast Kane jerk Cornes.

[@grantsmith505]

Kano is about right for Freo Making the prelims is a pass mark The club and supporters pretty happy with the coach's development of the team, so he can stop beating that drum..

[@andrewkerr5296]

I'm happy with Freo's list & what they've done since 2019 Not happy with this years results though, considering the talent they have

[@grantsmith505]

When Pearce broke his arm the second time, in the starlight match, I knew the season was over At that point I realised we would slide down, and even if we made the finals, we would be entering from the bottom half of the 8, instead of the top 4 Last games without Treacy we were still competitive right up to the end of 2 of those 3 matches against top ranked teams You have to look at the season in context

[@grantsmith505]

A lot of the games in the middle of the season, oppo teams couldn't even get the ball out of their defensive half The ball would come out and bounce straight back into our attacking 50 Our winning margin was 37 points per game on average at that time That is ruthless football... With Pearce out, teams started to deliver into our defensive half repeatedly.. That was not a feature of our game mid year There is a lot to be confident about from what the team displayed in season 2024 Another preseason, and a year's growth for a young list will only benefit us going into 2025 Everything needs to go right to win a premiership, and losing the competition's best key defender, our most important big forward and our #1 ruckman for the last month was too much of a hurdle to overcome... I saw enough stuff what went right season 2024 to be happy. We certainly showed we had the talent and capability to step up again next year

[@wolftone57]

I agree. If Collingwood & Carlton don't do it now, they will have missed the boat. Their top players are ageing at both clubs. Carlton have maxed out their Salary Cap & if they falter again they will be looking at the abyss. Collingwood has so many potential retirees Zimmer-frames & Incontinence Pads are part of the medical equipment. If the Swans don't win the Premiership, then Longmire's tenure should be finished. Under Horse, the Swans have lost 3 GFs by huge margins & are being called the Perennial Bridesmaids. The underwhelming GF performances are just one issue. The game plan is the main problem. If the run doesn't come off, the Swans are opened up like a tin of Baked Beans. The so called experts are blaming the backs, they are uncoordinated & don't work together well enough but that is because there are too many mids in the backs. But the main problem is the mids & forwards who cough the ball up far too easily through lazy or Hollywood handball & kicks. Longmire's team has under-performed & is wasting the huge talent at the coach's disposal. Dogs, have to win it or Beverage will be looking for another job. He has the list & has improved the list even more, even by losing several players. But I think there is still dissent there. I don't think he would be an easy coach to play under. Port. Last Chance Hinkley. Don't win it this year & Kenny is out the door. But it is not going to be easy & I think he has Buckley's & none. His list is ordinary. Who will be his Key Forwards? Lord & co, the young ones, don't work hard enough. The old ones are only just good. Marshall & Georgiades don't work hard enough for long enough. Houston is gone. He will be sorely missed. I think Ken does not rate Finlayson at all. I think he is the third tall they have needed but Ken insists on making him into something he is not, a Ruck. Leave him in the FP & let him get ball & he will hurt the opposition. Make him do extra goal kicking at training. Saints; They don't have much of a list & nobody wants to go there. Battle is a huge loss. Demons; I think the cultural problems go to the top. More players will leave in 2025. Oliver isn't the main problem. If you look at Smith you can see they have been battling a major problem & covering up for years. There was a bloke with a huge career ahead of him that wrecked it by taking drugs. There is discord in the playing group & unhappiness with the management, up to and including the board. The fact players avoided Melbourne during the Trade Period is a good indication of the ills there

[@brandonclarke9651]

My big call Essendon to finish 17th

[@antonalbo]

A Team that beats Collingwood, Bulldogs, GWS and Freo to end up bottom 4??? Right...

[@dilloncoleman144]

As a bombers supporter, I wouldn't disagree. I think we will be better than North/WC. But judging by our list strategy this year and some of the words coming out of the club, we could be doing an unofficial rebuild as a list is completely lackluster. Is we didn't have Merrett these last few years, we had been bottom 4. Although I wouldn't mind breaking that streak...

[@antonalbo]

@@dilloncoleman144 The Midfield of the Dons which is Merrett, Durham, Martin, Calders, Parish, Roberts and Dursma bats deep - and we now have Reasonable defence - with Rids, Mckay, Redman, Mcgrath as the foundation - with Reid (if he ever gets his his body right to play more than x2 games a season) its our forward line that needs work - but with Kako coming in who should fix our small forward woes since Tippa retired - and Gresham and Langford being more consistent - with Caddy or Jones actually producing more than 20 goals each then leaves the question around 2 Meter Peter - if he can get anywhere near back to his best - things arent as bad as it might seem - the passengers remaining are Cox, Perkins and Hobbs and Tsatas - either they put in Career defining seasons in 2025 - or we give them the chop,...

[@grantsmith505]

​@@dilloncoleman144 Dons fell right off the perch the last half of the season Does their play style stand up?

[@grantsmith505]

​@@antonalbo Collingwood/Bulldogs and Freo pretty lackluster for big parts of season 2024 Beating mid rated teams on your day isn't that much of a flex

[@teacher1336]

Kane would have all players on 6 months contracts

[@davidthedocker1956]

Only long term contract Kane would be happy with is his Wants to know what players get but would not tell anyone what he gets paid how about it Kane

[@PFrules]

Max 5 year contracts makes sense. Especially with concussions. Protects clubs financially and players reputations. No point having a $1mil a year player in the seconds.

[@travelwithroland2]

All I can say is… there are going to be a lot of teams that did not pass! lol. There are only 4 teams who get to Prelim. That means 14 teams don’t. Carlton won’t make the GF. Collingwood may, but unlikely. Port probably won’t.

[@bowlst12]

"my dogs"...... love it 😂

[@mrmarketpartner]

When you are creating this this you are not making it so that everyone gets a pass. It is what they need to achieve to get a pass. There will be teams that will not achieve a pass in 2025. I agree that 6-7 teams pass should be prelim final+ Swans, Lions, Blues, Cats, Port, Pies, Bulldogs. Finals add in Saints, Crows, Freo, Suns, Dees. GWS’s turnover of list I don’t think will see them in finals but you could still say a pass mark is finals. A pass mark will not be achieved by all clubs but they should be achieving that and if not it is a down season.

[@MacGillaZ]

Following Kanes logic Brisbane were goooone this year with all their issues on ans off field; and yet look who won the Chocolates.

[@stevelozevski8151]

I'm sure you had them as premier's after round 6

[@TheMemeMachineMatt]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[@GlennFalcon-k1j]

Kane good at analysing after games love the straight forward approach. But your predictions in this case benchmarks are Waffle and sorry sometimes close but almost never right.

[@FidgetMDCCLXIV]

1. Hawthorn 20-3, 160.0% 2. Geelong 19-4, 146.1% 3. Brisbane 18-5, 135.1% 4. Gold Coast 13-10, 101.3% 5. Collingwood 13-10, 99.1% 6. Carlton 12-10-1, 103.4% 7. Sydney 12-11, 115.5% 8. Fremantle 11-11-1, 106.5% 9. Port Adelaide 11-12, 112.0% 10. Essendon 11-12, 91.3% 11. Adelaide 10-12-1, 103.1% 12. GWS 10-13, 99.2% 13. West Coast 10-13, 80.4% 14. Western Bulldogs 9-13-1, 101.0% 15. St Kilda 9-14, 89.1% 16. North Melbourne 8-15, 78.4% 17. Melbourne 6-17, 68.0% 18. Richmond 3-20, 65.3% Qualifying finals: Hawthorn 23.10(148) - Gold Coast 7.5(47) Geelong 14.13(97) - Brisbane 14.12(96) Elimination finals: Collingwood 12.10(82) - Fremantle 11.13(79) Carlton 11.10(76) - Sydney 12.9(81) Semi finals: Brisbane 18.11(119) - Sydney 7.10(52) Gold Coast 12.8(80) - Collingwood 13.6(84) Preliminary finals: Hawthorn 18.8(116) - Brisbane 6.17(53) Geelong 15.7(97) - Collingwood 4.14(38) Grand final: Q1: Hawthorn 5.2.32 - 4.0.24 Geelong Q2: Hawthorn 9.7.61 - 6.4.40 Geelong Q3: Hawthorn 14.10.94 - 10.6.66 Geelong 10min left: Hawthorn 17.12.114 - 10.7.67 Geelong 5min left: Hawthorn 19.12.126 - 11.8.74 Geelong 3min left: Hawthorn 21.13.139 - 11.8.74 Geelong FINAL: Hawthorn 23.13.151 - 11.8.74 Geelong

[@rustypieman9309]

Hawks will be lucky to play finals.

[@hardto994]

your a dreamer

[@FidgetMDCCLXIV]

Hawks have a ball movement playing style different to everyone else. They don’t allow for stoppages and stuff like that.

[@normlieberman372]

With a percentage of 160% and a 77 point GF win... hmmm, are you a hawks fan by any chance?🤔🤔🤔🤣

[@bengnaden2085]

Pass mark for Dees is win a final

[@thaibulldog6800]

Melbourne needs to delist the word culture.

[@Tosicc567]

But guys you're forgetting that kingy said brisbanes window was over in 2022, its impossible for them to make it!

[@mickw1842]

Pass mark way too low for west coast. Trading out of a strong draft for players in their late 20’s is a sign of being in the window. They are no chance of making finals BUT, given their trades that should be a pass mark.

[@grantsmith505]

@@mickw1842 WCE not falling lower than 16th on the ladder in 2025 will be a pass

[@grantsmith505]

@@mickw1842 When will they get serious and undertake a rebuild? Trading out of this year's draft to bring in baker wasn't a sign they are in contention, it was simply a mistake

[@jameskeays9284]

Petracca at the pies 2026

[@ryanmckaye8212]

Kanes clueless comments at it yet again 😂😂😂

[@coreytrevorlahey3058]

Geelong's pass mark is minimum Grandfinal but in reality the pass mark is a premiership!

[@danieljdtaylor]

Geelong’s pass mark should 100% be making a grand final. Another prelim is another pointless year. They’ve had great sustained success but they don’t have anywhere near the amount of flags they should have for that sustained success to be worth it.

[@jonniezodiac]

depends on injuries really, however really as much as it hurts not making/winning the flag, this years result was pretty decent in the end

[@andrewkerr5296]

Geelong's 2nd best Midfielder is 34 lol

[@jonniezodiac]

@@andrewkerr5296 who is the second best mid in your opinion?

[@andrewkerr5296]

@@jonniezodiac Max Holmes is Geelongs best midfielder

[@mauricetermesana9419]

The Cats list is not as good as some of the other teams. They are a great club with the best coach and get the best out of what they have but to win it everything has to go right. They almost got there this year and it came down to a Max Holmes hamstring. No way they lose that Prelim if Max had not gone down, he was the best player on the ground up until that point. Even then they were in front with 2 mins to go.

[@johndesign39]

Melbourne needs John Longmire.

[@lsong8461]

Geez kane needs a good shave hahahhaa caveman Kane

[@g-townwind399]

Every time Kane talks about west coast, you can smell the disdain through the phone. He thinks west coast is that shit that winning 1 more game next year is a pass mark and said it in 3 seconds. His hatred for the eagles is hilarious.

[@dangledip1134]

They are the most arrogant club in the AFL along with Melbourne so it’s very understandable

[@grantsmith505]

@@g-townwind399 WCE winning 4 games in 25 will be a pass mark Don't hate Kano for telling the truth

[@andrewkerr5296]

I'm tipping both Collingwood & Geelong to slide & miss the 8 Hawthorn to miss the 8 as their game plan will be closely scrutinized over the off season & they will have their '2 steps backward' season Fremantle to finish Top 4 & Adelaide to Finish in the 8 who will replace Geelong & Hawthorn from this years Top 8

[@meow_gamblingaddict]

Cornes keeps saying the Dogs have a fantastic list but has he even looked at it? In the last few years they've lost Lipinski, Dunkley, Bazlenka, Macrae and Daniel. Replaced by who? They've got players who are VFL level getting games every week. Bramble/Khamis/Vandermeer/McNeil/Coffield/Harmes/Scott are barely AFL players. Then there's old Liam Jones who will be 34 and got whooped by a teenager in a final. Duryea 34. Libba 33. Treloar 32. These guys can only get worse. Bont and Dale are the only genuine stars on the list. Darcy is coming. English and Naughton are overrated. Weightman inconsistent. Who are the guns that are going to propel them to the premiership? Ed Richards and Rylee West? Take another look Corn.

[@Damoscar12]

fair points but Lipinski couldn't get a game consistently at the dogs so left and same with Macrae and Daniel last season

[@meow_gamblingaddict]

@Damoscar12 just because Bevo liked to play McNeil ahead of those two doesn't mean he's better than them. They're AFL quality that are going to be replaced by VFL quality like Scott, Poulter

[@Damoscar12]

@@meow_gamblingaddict I never said they are better players but Bevo has always rewarded recent form and roles instead of stats and how good their whole career has been. Right or wrong i back his opinion over mine and yours.. and Scott and Poulter? more like Gallagher and Freijah already took spots and Sanders expected to do the same and needs AFL gametime. Key defenders is the only spot dogs are lacking but Lobb was promising last year.

[@Damoscar12]

@@meow_gamblingaddict not to mention Macrae and Daniel were taking up salary cap we need to pay Darcy and Bont this year

[@M-lt6kx]

'Adelaide have invested significantly in their list". I imagine they've spent their cap like every other team. 'Collingwood setting themselves up for disappointment for talking [positively]' How dare a team comes into a new season with high hopes.

[@sellison9070]

If Kane grows a beard he'll look like pwince William! All he'd need to do next, is find a party where they do freak outs LOL 🤣😂

[@legoheaven]

He already looks like Hoggle from Labyrinth 😅

[@sonjakozman1699]

Freak offs with diddy

[@matthewpowell9403]

Sydney, .fall, maybe 8th if lucky

[@gbc636]

Don’t forget they have the Sydney Cheating ground SCG

[@badabbott3835]

2025 will be a great opportunity for Fremantle dockers because they have a compassion and leadership Go Freo 💜🤍🩶🖤