Unraveling Everest's HIDDEN Secrets: Mallory & Irvine and Maurice Wilson

[@geofff6671]

I'm fairly convinced by Michael Tracy's arguments that Odell saw M&I at the third step. The second step is not climbable in the way Odell described, with two people supposedly quickly climbing it in succession. Also it was not on the route the 1924 party were known to prefer and there is enough evidence to suggest they knew it was an obstacle best avoided. The first step doesn't make sense in terms of the time, 12.50 pm, when Odell saw them and if they were at the first step at 12.50pm there would be no point in continuing because they would clearly be far too late to summit. Also Odell said from where he saw them he thought they made it to the top. The third step also makes sense as it appears Mallory fell when it was dark enough to remove his goggles and it is simply implausible to think M&I spent so much time wandering around the areas between the first and second step until it got dark and then fell. If we believe he was seen at the third step at 12.50pm then it is almost certain that M&I would have summited, as there would be nothing to stop them from there and then M fell when late on the return when tired, getting dark and tragically close to camp. It is an interesting idea to think that Mallory perhaps fell first and then Irvine without his climbing partner kept climbing down the ridge overshooting the route and the turn needed to get him back to high camp. This is, if I understand Jochen correctly when he suggests Irvine's body was to the left of the route. This may also may explain why Irvine wasn't easily found by subsequent expeditions. It would be a great tragedy for human history if the Chinese removed the body or got rid of evidence suggesting M&I summited. It would be nice if as a species we could think of M&I's achievements, Hillary and Norgay's achievements and indeed the Chinese achievements as achievements for all of humanity, rather than a battle between nations which is really rather pointless.

[@ashishmishra9223]

Man these are some solid points. But where do you think is Irvine's body and if his body is found can they get the camera and develop or just check his pockets for the summit rock.

[@geofff6671]

@@ashishmishra9223 If I understood Jochen correctly, he seemed to imply the body was to the left of the usual route (looking up) which sounds like Irvine kept walking along the ridge failing to make the left turn (when looking down) and descend enough which would have taken him to high camp. But then he also implies the Chinese have removed or hidden the body and that area has now been well searched with nothing found. I wouldn’t place much weight on finding the camera and developing film. There is a chance that if Irvine succumbed to exhaustion the camera might be in good condition, but if he fell it probably wouldn’t take much for the camera to be damaged and while Kodak may believe it is possible to develop the film there is also probably a significant chance that the chemicals in the film have simply gone off. I think summit rocks might be a better bet, but my geology is rusty and I’m not sure whether if finding rocks on the body they could be confirmed as coming from the summit. Perhaps Thom may wish to comment?

[@alexk2652]

@@geofff6671 this seems to make sense to me ie Irvine kept moving after Mallory fell and then missed the turn in the dark. A nagging question is why leave the ice axe back at the fall site?

[@kristoffersmith8289]

@@alexk2652 Why take a second ice axe with you? (There is speculation it wasnt irvings axe)

[@geofff6671]

@@kristoffersmith8289 Agreed. Only one ice axe was found and it may have been Mallory’s. It is also possible if succumbing to altitude sickness or hypothermia that the ice axe was simply put down in a moment of forgetfulness. One of the effects of being in the death zone for so long and hypothermia is increasingly muddled thinking.

[@brendanoneill1466]

Thanks for sharing these videos. I find the story of Mallory and Irvine to be so fascinating. I hope we can find Sandy, more so that both he and Mallory's accomplishments can be more fully celebrated and that they are not just the ones who went missing.

[@EverestMystery]

Brendan, that's a great take...I appreciate it. Yes, their accomplishments should never be overshadowed. They were exceptional men, and should be remembered as such. Cheers and thank you!

[@eagerestcrab2030]

Michael Tracy’s latest video about the watch was absolutely incredible! He’s such a detective when it comes to these men. I’d love for him to have access to the drone footage taken in 2019 from memory! Thanks for your work sir! I love this resurgence of energy in the mystery nearing the 100 year anniversary

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for watching (see what I did there, lol)....I have written a bunch on finding the watch and have been putting together elements for a video about that day. Cheers

[@rishiwalker2027]

Indeed he definitely outht to have access to the drone footage!

[@EverestMystery]

@@donaldcarpenter5328 you are channeling George Mallory! Thanks as always for watching!

[@toniwertman4818]

The answers are there it just has to be pieced together. Very thoroughly.

[@thedocochoco]

Thom, You don’t give yourself enough credit. I love your videos and you are the one that’s bringing this mystery all together for us and especially the family of Sandy Irvine. I wouldn’t know any of this if not for you! You have lit a spark inside me to prepare myself to travel to Everest Base Camp next year! Thank you!

[@EverestMystery]

Wow, thank you! I am rooting for you to get to Everest Base Camp. You will truly enjoy the culture and the incredible experience of being immersed in nature on a grand scale... Thanks so much

[@bs431980]

These are some great videos. I’ve been fascinated with the Mallory Irvine mystery. There should be a movie made about this. Ending should show the actual footage of Conrads discovery, but the movie would need insight from people like Jake, Conrad & others. It deserves to be done right

[@EverestMystery]

Great idea.....thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts :)

[@fluffles9591]

China controls Hollywood so if they have the camera the truth will never come out 😢

[@stewartwalter407]

Thank you for your videos Thom, I like others find them fascinating. I have been following the story since 99, and have seen both books and videos promoting and discounting each other’s theories. Leaves people like me confused. For example the Mark Synott interview is very clear and to the point where I would think that people have been risking their lives for 22years looking for something that the Chinese have had in their possession all along as well as the final location of Irvine’s body. Good luck getting Chinese cooperation there! Hemmleb mentions two events that ring alarm bells to an amateur at best here. I had never heard any discovery of English dead from 1960, only that they would push on unlike the previous English. Secondly he refers to the 75 body found as that of Mallory. We all read of the Japanese climber recounting the story with gestures that the dead climber(Irvine?) was curled up on his side in a small gully with holes in his cheek presumably from goraks yet you of course found Mallory face down after a long self arrest. What am I missing here Sir as Hemmleb isn’t convincing me.

[@EverestMystery]

Ah, yes....you're so correct in your confusion, for lack of a better word. I honestly believe the best way to answer would be to have a live event here where Jochen fielded some of these questions. I will be honest in saying that sometimes the details and minutia escape me. However, that for sure always mystified me, the idea that Wang had described a body curled up with a hole in his cheek. My recollection is that Jochen believes this information is due primarily to translation, ie Wang explaining this to a Japanese climber and straining to find the correct words. My gut, my absolute gut, is that Mallory was never moved from the day he first fell in 1924. He might have been seen, but not turned over or moved. All this said, I will ask Jochen to weigh in on this....I appreciate your thoughts!

[@stewartwalter407]

@@EverestMystery thank you so much for your reply Sir. I have so much respect for the efforts that you go to.

[@raginald7mars408]

-...as a German Biologist - I am more interested in the Physiology, the resources they had and when they were too tired to avoid any mishaps and accidents. We are too romantic and ignore the physical restrictions. Even more - when both were sure - this was the only Chance of their Lifetime - then the threat of Death may have been overruled by Euphoria - which only grows - the closer the summit appears. When Mallory was discovered - my first impression was - was this the first time - or was anybody there before - taking things away... - it is as troubling as any tragedy - and gets us addicted to each minor detail - fueling imagination forever.

[@EverestMystery]

Excellent insight. Indeed. I wrote an essay some years ago for an Everest related website called Blind Ambition, how our ambitions essentially tip the scales in favor of recklessness, leading some to their death. On Everest it happens every year, bar none. There are many bodies up there of men and women who were told over and over, some to the point of physical restraint, to turn the hell around. Something up there changes. Until one is in that haze it's very hard to see at sea level. Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts.

[@raginald7mars408]

@Thom Dharma Pollard - The Happiness Quotient Your interview of Hemmleb can go on for HOURS in deep meditation - as sort of cinematic imagination of each second on this tragic climb. This is recorded History! When I first saw the first images published of the resting Body of Mallory - I still wonder today - how is it possible that the Boot came off his Foot? My first thought was - did somebody take it off - ...and what stuff was removed - by whom. This is a possible ” Crime Scene” - to be investigated. You do an excellent Job! Stay with it! Thank YOU!!! extremely addicting...

[@stevedavenport7281]

Thom, I love your videos. Great job. Many of us will never climb a mountain, yet we are able to do so in spirit with good videos like these. Thank you.

[@EverestMystery]

Great to have you here Steve, thank you! It's much appreciated

[@gabyprinzing922]

Well said.

[@alabamadeep4471]

I was remembering my expedition to Everest in 1997 and found this. Guys. I would have people look going down from first step towards the rocks where there are small gaps that group the stones together. I saw a body there during my decent. Not far from where Irving's tank was. The body would be higher up to your right I believe. Now whether that's Sandy or not is something you should confirm. But I def remember commenting that his boots were incredibly old. My reasoning on not looking further was we both were low on 02 and couldn't stop to look. Weeks later my other friend Jordan went on his. And from his pics, ice was covering that slot and area. I would focus on that. If I'm right please let me know? This is interesting. I didn't know ppl were looking for them. Only that Mal was found

[@EverestMystery]

Were you doing a search expedition in 1997? I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on this. (I am not notified when someone replies to one of my comments...my email is in the About section). I'm with you on the idea that they are farther down toward the Pinnacles. Thanks so much!

[@TheStinkysteve]

@@EverestMysteryany further information on this?? Sounds like he found a body with old boots. Has someone looked further into this spot?

[@1ifbyland2ifbysea]

​@@EverestMystery love your channel

[@keekees_chorus]

​@@EverestMystery would love to know if anyone else has seen the body from 97? Is there anyone still actively looking for Irvine? And has anyone looked into this spot more? So many questions!

[@stephen_crumley]

@@EverestMysteryany info exchanged on this comment in the last several months????

[@jaynecliff1568]

Love your videos. This story has entralled me since i heard about it from my dad as a child. Enjoying going through the older videos too. Its a fascinating learning curve. Thankyou.

[@Docochoco39]

Wow! Thom, I didn’t know there were so many different climbers that observed the bodies over the years. I think the stories have been told and retold so many times and then, as you both mentioned, different nations relaying stories. All that being said, it’s still so very intriguing!

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for watching....yes, lots of stories going back decades. They reveal so much about the story of Mallory & Irvine.

[@Planesail]

I spent my childhood with my grandfather. He was convinced Mallory made the summit. I am now 72 years old - and I still believe Mallory made it. No photo of Ruth on his body. Perhaps the Chinese took that, too. But I doubt it.

[@EverestMystery]

Wow, very cool that you remember your grandfather talking about that. If my grandparents had still been around in 1999 when I went there for the first time I would have asked them about it. I pray you're right!

[@Roheryn100]

Surely the Chinese would leave it on his body, as it would have proven he had not summitted after all.

[@diannebdee]

Once more a disclaimer here: I am an armchair alpinist so whatever I have to say may or may not be held as fact or truth considering I've never ever been mountain climbing. So here it goes for what it's worth. Here's my supposition on the whole "Is it Mallory or is it Irvine" question: So when you guys searched the body you found in 1999, you found the tags on the clothes of "George L. Mallory". I always remember either Conrad Anker or Jake Norton exclaiming, "It says George Mallory. Oh my god, we've found George Mallory!" If we take into consideration where the Chinese found the body they did in the 30s and in 1975, one would have thought they'd have checked the body to confirm as you guys did in 1999 who it was. Was Sandy Irvine known to write his name in the tags of his clothes? If not, then it's not likely they found Mallory in 1975 (Wang Hong Bao find). If I recall from the books I've read, there were two "Old English Dead" found. One "sitting" one "sleeping". So the sleeping is definitely George Mallory as he was found in the arrest position which meant he fell from a height (likely the Second Step) , then the one higher up that was found "sitting" had to be Sandy Irvine. To me I believe the body they found in both the 1960 and the 1975 expeditions was indeed Sandy Irvine, other wise I'm sure they would have beaten their chests to the wind to say they got the high profile find. I don't give the same courtesy to the Chinese that Jochen does in they wouldn't be so careless or heartless to just "chuck" the body off. They would do what they're told to do, unlike the Brotherhood of the High Climbers who are noble and would do the correct thing and do what you guys did in 1999 after you found Mallory. Again disclaimer here that I am an armchair climber, my belief is that George and Sandy, or at least George did summit. If I remember correctly didn't they get a late start? The climb must be started by about five or six in the morning to be able to summit in enough time so you're not coming down in the dark. I think they did summit and the photo does/did exist. I believe they were coming down and Mallory being Mallory saw they might have a chance down the second step to be able to traverse down a route he may have found and decided not to try the first step route. I think they both got down, but then due to either darkness or the weather conditions in what O'Dell pointed out about the "mists", George attempted to go first to then possibly tell Sandy it was okay and he fell. I think that's why he was in the arrest position when you found him. Sandy if we understand the "Old English Sitting" is that Sandy tried to help George by sitting down and digging in with his boots, but due to the sharp shale, the rope was frayed and when Sandy tried to pull George up, he got nothing but a frayed end. Given the experienced one was gone, I think Sandy just sat down to try to either figure out what to do, or he just gave up. But for me I don't believe the Chinese were altruistic. And I do believe they are completely politically propagandized, they wouldn't think anything of either shucking Sandy's body off the mountain, or taking it back to Beijing and destroying it and keeping the result of the camera secret. I don't have the kind of trust in the Chinese others seem to. I mean wouldn't you expect as you both mentioned they would have searched the body they found and found it to be George's?

[@akschmidt2085]

Sure they'd do what they were told but why would they be told to look out for dead climbers and waste valuable summiting time to chuck them off? There was no reason to give a directive like that.

[@1TUFZ71]

​@@akschmidt2085 moving the body ties up loose ends in regards to conclusions being drawn that the Chinese were not the first to summit the North side. They absolutely do not want to lose that honor, considering their perceived disgrace in their lack of knowledge/experience with the mountain prior to western surveyors and Hillary's credited ascent from the South. Obviously the VPK is the end-all evidence, hence why they removed that and developed the photos (or at least attempted to)- neither of which they'll likely admit to, as one would show technological ineptitude ruining negatives Kodak has proclaimed still develop-able, and the other being outright proof of Mallory & Irving on the summit.

[@1TUFZ71]

Completely concur with everything you wrote- I'd add that I think Irving summited as well; hence him having the VPK that should have been in Mallory's pockets. Would love to read more about the "sitting English dead" though, never head that tale- thank you for the comment!

[@211212112]

With all the photos and footage it is time to start piecing them together to make a realistic 3D model of Everest. Even people who have climbed it many times have no idea what the vast majority of the mountain looks like.

[@EverestMystery]

Indeed....you would truly enjoy the relief model that is at the Boston Museum of Science. I have footage of Bradford Washburn crawling into the Western Cwm to essentially point out the highlights of Everest....it's a sight to see and experience.

[@211212112]

@@EverestMystery I bet. It won’t be long till there is a detailed Everest virtual reality simulation. One thing off topic, but just occurred to me. Mallory had a broken rope around his waist or showed signs of where he was injured by a rope when he fell? If Mallory was tied off what else’s besides Irvine would he be tied to? It would seem Mallory was tied to Irvine thus debunking any possibility that Irvine was further up closer to the summit. If such is the case Irvine’s last known location would have to be where Mallory started his fall from.

[@alysonfishel6039]

I love your channel. I am fascinated by this story and mystery. Well done

[@EverestMystery]

I appreciate it, thank you. I will bring more in the near future, hopefully to satiate your thirst for more on the mystery :) Cheers!

[@czarcastic1458]

If the Chinese removed Irvine then why not Mallory also?

[@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276]

Maybe they didn’t run into him, or maybe they saw that he didn’t have the camera on his person so there was no need to cover up the discovery of his body while also not feeling the need to share their discovery with the world, or expend the effort that they had removing Irvine from the trail (assuming Irvine had the roll of film and/or summit rocks in his pocket) We will probably never know since the CCP is so secretive about everything. Hopefully once the people of china rise up and demand change from their government the wall of secrecy will slowly come down. I’m sure there are plenty of secrets that still haven’t been exposed from the days of the USSR, but some things did come out in the 90s before Putin rose to power.

[@paulmoore8276]

Thats my question, why not get rid of both? Also they stated that they covered a body with rocks so maybe Irvine is still up there.

[@ChuckDee1]

@@paulmoore8276 Mallory was farther down than the Chinese route. Irvine was higher and along their route possibly.

[@ChuckDee1]

Mallory was farther down than the Chinese route. Irvine was higher and along their route possibly.

[@EverestMystery]

Good question, likely because he was well off route. That said, I don't believe anyone has returned to the site where he lay for well over. a decade....so, perhaps they removed him, as well. Cheers!

[@davidm8354]

Hi! David here from Ireland. Love your channel. I've been an arm chair mountain climber all my life however in September after 9 months of training I'm hitting mont blanc, my first serious summit push. Keep the information flowing in relation to mountain mysteries

[@EverestMystery]

David, I will never forget climbing Mont Blanc, in the autumn of 1989, then doing the Midi Plan Traverse over to the Aguille du Midi. To this day it stands as one of my favorite ever mountaineering experiences. Keep on going and stay in touch!

[@davidm8354]

@@EverestMystery thank you my friend I will. I was actually ment to be on Elbrus in June but due to Russian war crimes Elbrus is off the menu possibly for the next 5/8 years

[@federicofelloni1509]

Good luck! I also summited Mont Blanc some years ago as my first full climb, it a very good starting point for any climber. But I wouldn’t suggest to go for the Italian route in mid spring as I did!

[@hughjarse4205]

How did it go???

[@shylurcher9549]

Did ye make it David.?!

[@vitkriklan2633]

Guys, you should get the things straight. First of all, Mallory clearly stated that he is not going to take the ridge route, he also stated that he is not intending to climb the steps. And they couldn't have been seen by Odell on the ridge at step 1 or 2. His original statement clearly suggests they were seen at the Citadel. Statements done after decades of public pressure aren't a reliable source of information. Furthemore, how could Irvine be found on the ridge if the two clearly fell while being roped up?

[@som1017]

This has fascinated my imagination for more than 2 decades now..all these years I have wished may this mystery get resolved at least in my lifetime..but just got to know about Mark’s last operation and the possibility of the Chinese removing Irvine’s body today from your videos.. so I am putting my hope to rest today.. Mallory & Irvine… you will keep inspiring generations even 100 years from now

[@EverestMystery]

Indeed! At the same time, the hope for solving the mystery is alive and well. One just can never know when a critical piece of the puzzle is unearthed or discovered. Thank you so much for watching! Stick around, as there will be more about the Mystery of Mallory & Irvine here. Cheers and thank you

[@jakeolson4704]

Any idea at all which museum in China where Irvine’s camera may be??

[@mattiasakemalm1412]

These videos are fantastic. I just read an article by Synnott on the China theory today and luckily l found your channel. Thank you.

[@EverestMystery]

Welcome aboard! Thank you so much....really happy to have you here!

[@Moonbeamsandsunrays]

Seeing photos of the 1924 expedition, evidently it is Irvine who has the camera hanging in his neck in one of the photos. The key to unlocking the mystery of if they were the first to reach Everest lies in finding his body as it may well lead to finding the camera. Of course, if the film can still be developed. RIP.

[@EverestMystery]

I truly hope that one day the camera and Sandy are found. Thank you for watching!

[@davidjofficial1]

This makes my blood boil. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese tampered with the bodies. Let's be honest they have a track record of lying to the world.

[@EverestMystery]

Until we absolutely know....it's just a story....albeit, with all the separate sources sharing the same thing, it's worth investigating further. Thank you for your thoughts!

[@pauldevlin9835]

Really appreciate all of the work you have all done. During COVID here in Canada I read into the silence and it’s been a addiction since.

[@EverestMystery]

That book is a gateway drug lol! So glad you enjoyed it....and really happy you found this channel. Stay tuned for more, as there are many more coming. Thank you

[@yynot8332]

@@EverestMystery I can confirm one minor detail - that is they indeed found the body of that Chinese climber Wu Zong Yue (their deputy leader in 1975 , I believe). So there's a good chance that they found the body of Mallory as Juchen conjectured, since they were quite close. In 1975 after their successful summit, Pan Duo/Phanthog became a national hero instantly. She and a team leader came to Beijing Athletic School (Shi Sha Hai, where Jet Li cut his teeth) to talk about the awesome achievement to us young athletes. I was 14 and Jet Li was 12. We were all at the talk. They talked about finding Wu's body and buried him at the spot. They mentioned that Wu's wife later complained and asked why they didn't bring down the body. They said she didn't understand how impossible that task would be. They could only manage a simple burial. It is just my opinion that they didn't move any "English body" in 1975 or before.

[@ashishmishra9223]

Did you and andy really turned the body of malllory? So how was his front part? Because there is no photo of Mallory's face can you describe his face?

[@EverestMystery]

I could describe this indeed. I am probably going to take some time to write a chapter about it or do a video specifically about it. It's a subject that leaves much to question if any details are left out. Do stay tuned, and thank you for watching!

[@conorC19H7]

@@EverestMystery I think quite a few people would find a video on this subject to be fascinating. Its something not often talked about in depth. Fantastic videos buddy.

[@Roheryn100]

@@conorC19H7 Not talked about, because some people find the subject intrusive ? No wonder Mr. Pollard is struggling with a way to write about it; it does him credit.

[@conorC19H7]

@@Roheryn100 Well to be honest every last part of Mallory's final resting place has been talked about. But in particular, the actual lifting of GM and the discovery of the "golf-ball puncture" has not been thoroughly discussed to my knowledge. Considering there are some who dispute whether the puncture wound was already there or accidentally created by an ice axe during the hacking/digging around him to remove his remains from the ice, Its worth a detailed recount.

[@OriginalPineapplesFoster]

I'm happy to consider the '24 expedition "Schrodinger's Summit" and Hillary/Norgay "First Summit with Successful Descent" ... But the mystery is so fascinating and those who search for answers have my utmost respect. 🗻🍍

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for watching, cheers!

[@MarkoGrobler-s2f]

Would the usage of Ground penetrating radar not help to find Irvine

[@EverestMystery]

We have actually discussed this. I would think some advances in technology would be needed - ie being able to fly a drone overhead to perform the task

[@wescheslak9408]

Understatement- Everything here is super interesting. Thank you

[@EverestMystery]

So nice of you, thank you for saying so, I appreciate it!

[@fluffles9591]

1953 british expedition that made it safely back from the summit probably seen the bodies but didn't report it so they can take the fame of reaching the summit first 😮

[@EverestMystery]

They climbed from opposite sides of the mountain. Unfortunately, it would have been almost impossible to see or encounter their remains, unless they were right on the summit. Thank you for watching!

[@fluffles9591]

@EverestMystery maybe they were moved, in 1953 documentaries one of the climbers dies and the whole team helps pull him down, one guy actually puts the entire frozen body onto his back and carries him by himself so...maybe camera was frozen to body 😉

[@fluffles9591]

@EverestMystery sorry i meant these people one seemed to die around same place, this expedition they attempt both sides with 2 separated teams, and someone dies on northside around mallory maybe they seen his body or died the same similar way kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYS3nKqDrLeAn5o

[@EverestMystery]

@@fluffles9591 these possibilities exist, thank you!

[@geraldperyman6535]

When you're up you're up and when you're down you're down but when you're only half way up you're neither up nor down.

[@tonydebruyne257]

They were last seen 800m below the summit. Of course they summited, they had just climbed up nearly 8000m. The most perilous journey is the descent. They died on the descent, as do most who die mountaineering.

[@EverestMystery]

Very possible....thank you!

[@jonathanclegg1595]

Great channel Thom, love these interviews with all the characters from the 1999 lost on everest documentary. I tend to lean towards the scientific. Mark's research is laudable and it is a potential explanation but until we have actual museum artefacts or photographic evidence that the Chinese removed anything I would subscribe to the theory that Irvine's body is somewhere on the mountain.

[@EverestMystery]

You very well may be correct, and I truly would love to learn if he is, indeed, still on the mountain. Thank you!

[@Fenway.Fanatic]

Thom, I've read that when you and the 1999 expedition team went back to Mallory's body the 2nd time that you were able to see Mallory's face when they lifted his body up and you were able to photograph him. I by no means am asking you for a photo, but am asking for what you were thinking as you were the first human since Andrew Irvine to see his face. What was going through your mind when you were literally inches away from one of the best mountaineers ever? What were your emotions and what did you see when looking at him? If you aren't comfortable answering these questions as you may want to keep these feelings and emotions to yourself and there's nothing wrong with that. Thank you, Thom.

[@EverestMystery]

Mike thank you....probably going to save it for the book. I realize that it's important to discuss it, and intend to. Do stay tuned!

[@Fenway.Fanatic]

@@EverestMystery Cannot WAIT to read about it! Blessings to you, Thom!

[@awilliams9658]

Thanks for this Thom. What is the title of the book going to be, so I can keep an eye out for it?

[@1TUFZ71]

​@@EverestMystery Thom, yet another comment to emphasize how badly some of us would LOVE to read your thoughts on this incredible moment in mountaineering history, and gladly do so by buying your book or perhaps a patreon only video??

[@Ghostshadows306]

I heard they took Mallory’s underwear on that second visit to him. I don’t know it’s true or not but just saying. Maybe it will be the book.

[@paulmoore8276]

A lot of time has passed since 1960 , memory lapses, confusion, in addition to the exhaustion and strain of actually being up that high. I would be surprised though if the Chinese didn't take any photographs. I like the mystery, hope they never disprove my hope that they made the summit.

[@EverestMystery]

Totally agree, perhaps they are hiding something! Cheers, thanks for your thoughts!

[@kevindelargy1306]

That camera is the key!

[@kippamip]

Everest has such a lure. I'm 41 now and never been, but yet I'm still fascinated by it. I've been meaning to do a base camp trek but I'm not sure my left knee will hold up now after my military career. One thing I'm curious about in 99. Did the rope around the body of Mallory appeared to be cut by a knife or did it look more like it was snapped? Also was any DNA evidence collected at that time? The reason I'm thinking about the rope is because of Irvine was dragged down with Mallory, then there is every chance his body could be lower than him on the mountain? Is it possible to do drone fights from base camp that can search the mountain or is it not possible because of temperature and the thin air.

[@alexkalish8288]

I was shot in the knee in Vietnam and 2 years later hiked up past base camp a couple years later - You can do the base camp easy if you are in shape and take it slow. I wouldn't go again myself as they have made it into disneyland with crowds of amateurs and a fully roped ascent.

[@smelly_elvis]

Could Mallory's ice ax have gone on over the cliff face over time? Where did Mallorys boot go? Would Mallory and Irvine been tied together? If not Irvine, what else would mallory have tied the rope to? Is it possible that Irvine fell tied to Malloy, dragging him to where Mallory was found. Irvine being over the cliff face was cut loose by an injured Mallory. Sorry if my comments are naive.

[@EverestMystery]

Not naive at all....these are great questions. I've always had in my mind that Mallory fell, not Irvine...that Irvine was exhausted and sat down. Very possible (likely) that Mallory's ice axe is well down the north face in the Rongbuk Glacier. Some conjecture that the rope was cut twice in order to create a method of descending/ascending the Second Step. All of these are great questions! Thanks for watching!

[@MCrvngraddip2013]

Thank you for these informative videos. I'm a 30 year old veterinary nurse and I have never been a mountaineer. The closest I ever got was climbing a few fells in The Lake District in the UK. An that was enough 😂IT was beautiful but I hated the way down. I think my dog had more fun. But I'm still fascinated by the great peaks, the history of the areas and the mental willpower of those who climb. So thank you again. It's much appreciated. I will be looking into the rest of your content. Its incredible how this mystery can bring so many together. 🥰

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you Meg, I'm truly honored to have you here and a part of this community of like-minded souls following their passion. I will keep bringing some cool videos and hope you'll watch and continue to share your thoughts. Cheers!

[@forgottenpalace4472]

I live not far from the Lake District. 💕

[@MCrvngraddip2013]

@@forgottenpalace4472 a beautiful place

[@forgottenpalace4472]

@@MCrvngraddip2013 Very.

[@Eyewonder3210]

If two people are roped together and one falls, why would the other be higher up instead of being catapulted into a more uncontrolled fall? If the rope burns indicate a yank of this kind, and GM in a position of trying to arrest his fall, shouldn't the search be lower than his for SI? Just curious.

[@EverestMystery]

Very good question. When Andy Politz and I were at the site of Mallory's remains, sometimes a small stone or a ball of snow would tumble from our feet, and literally disappear into the abyss....ten feet below him and the next stop would be hundreds, maybe thousands of feet. I'd love it if someone had a look down there. Thank you!

[@Eyewonder3210]

@@EverestMystery Thank you! It was a pleasure to ask someone who was actually there.

[@WellyCoaster]

@@EverestMystery Hi Thom, I had wondered this too, with Irvine being a big man I imagine with momentum he would have fallen further down than Mallory. is there an area below Mallory that could be searched or does it go straight down into the abyss?

[@alexyeo6632]

I’d love to here more on Jochens thinking about the route Mallory and Irvine took. He previously stated that he suspected Odells final sighting may have been describing them on the third step, but subsequently changed his mind. I wonder why? Personally I cannot understand why most people still assume they took the ridge route when Mallorys last note to Noel listed the rockband route before the ridge route, and Odells sighting described them “on ridge nearing base of final pyramid” - which has always sounded to me exactly like the location of the third step. Maybe you could do a video arguing the cases for and against each route..?

[@EverestMystery]

I have a great video coming out with Jake Norton about this. Literally editing it right now. I'll post it very, very soon. Cheers

[@alexyeo6632]

@@EverestMystery looking forward to it 👍🏻

[@LibyanSoup]

Thank you for bringing to my attention this update on the mystery of Mallory & Irvine. Much appreciated.

[@EverestMystery]

My pleasure! While the facts are ambiguous, they seem worth investigating.

[@Fenway.Fanatic]

I've suspected for a few years that the Chinese took the camera whether it was off of Mallory or Irvine. With all of the technologies and knowledge we have where M & I were and could have gone. So either Irvine was taken or buried with the camera taken.

[@EverestMystery]

I hope we can truly learn what happened with some more detective work. Thank you!

[@Fenway.Fanatic]

@@EverestMystery thank you very much for responding to my post, Thom! It's an honor to be in contact with you! Has every inch of the drone photos from 2019 been studied to see if Irvine can be spotted? I personally think Irvine was buried by the Chinese. Can those same drones scan the mountain with ground penetrating radar so we can see if someone is buried?

[@EverestMystery]

@@Fenway.Fanatic yes, we have looked through every single frame and still image from the drones.... The drones cannot do the ground penetrating radar....that would be the next step! Cheers

[@northface484]

I believe when I read the book..."Ghost of Everest"..There was an Excerpt about about Chinese Climber's mentioning "English Dead" and it was not described as Mallory's body and...Upright in some sort of small cave or under a ledge...

[@EverestMystery]

Yes, Jochen wrote about this. Have a look at the interview I did with Jochen here a couple weeks ago. Cheers and thank you!

[@davy1458]

I sure hope they find Irvine in my lifetime....hopefully finding him will lead to some answers as to what happened to them....

[@EverestMystery]

For sure, me too....

[@EverestMystery]

Finding Amelia....that would be somethng!

[@allanfifield8256]

Thanks!

[@EverestMystery]

I truly appreciate you! Thank you my friend

[@Lopezprieto]

Man, imagine the worth of the ice axe of Mallory, along with his camera, and a summit photo on it. I'd put it in the same luxury cabinet with the Excalibur, a legendary item indeed.

[@EverestMystery]

For sure, and I can only imagine the legal war that would ensue over the rightful ownership of each....it's something we'd discussed at length before our 2019 expedition. Cheers and thank you for watching!

[@butterfliesarefreetofly6964]

I know Im late on this convo but Jochen is just going based on HIS thoughts. He kind of discredits all the info that the Chinese climber gave & put in his own words of what the Chinese saw , hole in his cheek, etc. Im sorry but Jochen really doesn’t convince me of what he’s saying. I love your content and Im glad you told him you went to My Everest yourself & walked it looking for clues. He really believes his own words but I just don’t find his words believable. Im not being rude, just stating opinion. Thank you Sir for all your content on Mr George Mallory & Mr Sandy Irvine🌻

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Jochen and I have been good friends since 1999. One thing I like about his research is that he takes a stand and goes with it, still weighing the possibilities. He's like a textbook of info....and some disagree with his take. I'm super pleased you took the time to watch, thank you!

[@garysmith5641]

your work has been Sterling , but I think Micheal Tracy has patched the timeline complete and it makes more sense , he can be lets say `very forward thinking in this and has no time for anyone that makes mistakes ` but his times and research makes sense , nice to see Jochen passing hearsay out of the window

[@EverestMystery]

It's not my work, that's for sure lol 😂 the details are too much for me to keep track of. Jochen is the ultimate source and the final word on M&I. There is very little out there that hasn't already been researched and published by Jochen. This interview with him (I have another about the cameras ready to go, another on the routes) are a way shed light again on his ideas dating back to the 1999, 2001, 2003 and 2010 research expeditions. Thanks so much for watching, I appreciate your thoughts!

[@garysmith5641]

@@EverestMystery thanks for the reply Thom , and thanks to all you M and i researchers , for reminding us of these men , I also think he never had the camera , that was a Somervell family legend , he brought down the camera with film of Teddy Norton in it , and i dont think he could have changed the film while choking and you know if you take gloves off your fingers are in danger , Andrew Irvine will be found one day we know to at least the vicinity , 3000 people vanish in Britain every year without a trace , i would bet that Irvine is found before Ritchie Edwards from the Manic st Preachers rock group . It would be nice if a real Criminal detective worked on them both

[@elizabethrusson7495]

They found Mallory. It was said the body had the "cheek" eaten by the birds. By cheek, they meant rear end not facial cheek.

[@EverestMystery]

Having been there myself in 1999 I agree. Thank you for watching!

[@toniwertman4818]

I dibt buy it. Irvine. Is still up there maybe hidden as he may have been trying to shelter. I agree why would Mallory still be there and not Irvine. Unless he fell off the mountain on the climb down.

[@EverestMystery]

It's possible, for sure, thank you for watching!

[@richardstephens9647]

My theory is that they made it and while descending Mallory fell, the rope between Irvine and Mallory snapped and Mallory slid facedown the mountain, arms outstretched trying to stop his slide. His leg shattered and unconscious, froze to death. Irvine, alone in the darkening light searched for Mallory and fell. I think it is most likely that the Chinese found Mallory not Irvine. Removing the body on an climb would not have happened. Removing items from the body seem much more likely. Would they have created a story to discourage others from continuing to search for Irvine as they did not find a camera and it is still on the mountain? Or do the Chinese hold evidence of the successful summitting of Mallory and Irvine? It would be like them to deflect, deceive and coverup to save face. just my opinion.

[@EverestMystery]

Great theory....love it. You very well may be correct. I appreciate your thoughts.... I hope we will someday learn what happened!

[@federicofelloni1509]

Very good video, Jochen Hemmleb surely knows his stuff! All the speculation about the Chinese finding both M&I has some points to talk about. For example, if Irvine’s body was so close up on the ridge, why didn’t the people from the 1933 British expedition found him first? We know that they went past the first step and I believe it’s unlikely that they would have missed it if it was so close to the ridge. But again that’s all speculation and, as soon as we don’t have an undeniable proof, we can’t say anything for sure. I just hope that someone will search again for Irvine, as far as we know he is still out there.

[@EverestMystery]

The 1933 team might have missed him because Irvine was 'left' of the route. The team would have been angling or turning right, not focused down the ridge on the left. If he'd been under some snow or at a rock, given his clothing was earth tones, it might have been easy to miss. Thanks so much for watching!

[@alexgordon4672]

Ok can i ask about the rope burn marks on mallorys body, if they were roped together, who fell first ? or did they fall together? therefore irvine should be roughly above or below mallory in a line. if mallory fell first and the rope snapped did irvine travel on down towards the first step which would mean they were on a descent which at the time they were sighted by odell would mean they more than likely summited. or would mallory have been rappelling down something and the rope snapped ? could either of them have been able to hold themselves enough for the rope to snap if the other fell ?

[@EverestMystery]

It always seemed a natural conclusion to me that in looking at the rope burns that the pull of the rope on GLM was upward. However, I'd have to refer to my photos of his waist to be sure that I'm fully settled with this analysis.

[@alexgordon4672]

@@EverestMystery ah yes meaning GLM fell first ? Could Irvine have been able to hold himself from falling against such a force ? Cheers man by the way really loving the effort you are putting into this.

[@richhughes7450]

If they or you could prove the duo got to the summut I'm sure a movie would be made of this and rightly so. I think they did. Its a poss that people know things we do not but made sure it was not made public for their own personal gain. I'm loving your work, please keep it up.

[@corissawittholt8350]

hello I am an archaeologist and very interested in this… i’ve formulated some ideas of where the body might be as i bioarchaeologist I would like to contact someone about conducting a search and participating as a scientist…. not sure how to contact you except to leave a message here. thank you.

[@EverestMystery]

Hi Corissa, great hearing from you, please check the About section on the home page of @everestmystery and you will see an email there. Many thanks!

[@corissawittholt8350]

I think maybe it’s been updated without the email address. I see your twitter, youtube and instagram but not an email. sorry to write here again! I usually just watch on this app!

[@Chris-CardVault]

Thom, excellent interview with Johchen! Absolutely , the right person, for the history, about this subject! You would think, as many times as Jake Norton searched the ridge up high, he would of seen, something buried in rocks! I believe, he was up higher ( Irvine ) , and probably was brought down, or the high winds, scattered him about! Just my opinion! But, someone knows the truth, and maybe it will never come out, but its still a mystery! Thank you!

[@EverestMystery]

So right! yes, Jake has done more boots on the ground searching than any human being, and Jochen, truly, is the one to look to for the final word. I'm thankful that Jochen and I crossed paths in 1999 on the research expedition. Cheers and thank you!

[@obifuntoknowme]

Loving these videos, thanks so much for all the effort you’re putting in to bring us this information. This mystery endure’s doesn’t it, fascinating stuff. Personally I still believe Irvine is there, somewhere. I think he’s there and it’s only a matter of time before he’s found. We really need another search! Cheers from the UK.

[@EverestMystery]

I'd love it if a successive search included an attempt on the summit via the Norton Couloir. Until someone does it and documents it, we'll not know how truly accessible and possible it is (or was). Thanks for dropping by!

[@alexk2652]

More excellent work here Thom. Kudos to you. Are you posting this on Jake's community blog? It would spark some keen interest.

[@EverestMystery]

Alex, good call....I will post this today on Jake community blog. Always good to see you ol' friend....

[@SlavaUkrainiHeroyamSlava-f7m]

Never heard of this before today, amazing. I must say though. And I probably have no right to even have an opinion. But it seems really really low and disrespectful if they found them and kept silent to get that accolade. I can't lie, I'm pretty riled up hearing that and I've never climbed any mountain. Thanks for these awesome videos.

[@EverestMystery]

I'm glad you found the channel, and appreciate the great comment!

[@SlavaUkrainiHeroyamSlava-f7m]

@@EverestMystery 💚🇬🇧

[@utjason8]

Why would the Chinese allow so many people to risk their lives looking for a body they had removed decades ago? Why would they take the camera and not tell anyone?

[@EverestMystery]

The idea of going to Everest primarily to search is not a plan shared directly with the authorities, as the permits would be rejected. It's all a bit covert....Mark Synnott's book The Third Pole tells the story pretty well. (I make nothing by telling you that lol)

[@boondocksadventures2328]

Great interview! Again learned more!

[@EverestMystery]

It's my pleasure, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@Mila_Brearey]

Thom ... since watching the discovery of Mallory's body years ago, I always wondered what meds were in his pill bottle - something to help him stay awake perhaps? I figured you would of course know. Thanks.

[@rainrabbit9209]

I hope the camera is found in the museum. Can't wait to hear.

[@EverestMystery]

For sure, what a find it will hopefully be!

[@williamcurry1132]

question how come there are no pics of mallory's head

[@EverestMystery]

More or less a choice not to....

[@draisine1609]

Good video. I have become fascinated with this mystery. Will there be a part two of this interview?

[@EverestMystery]

Yes, a part 2 and so on.... Jochen spoke about the camera or cameras that they were likely carrying. He also speaks about their possible route to the summit. More soon, stay tuned!

[@jamieroach5755]

keep doing what you do bro , love your vids on the mallory irvine mystery, my honest view is that it would not surprise me if irvine was found in the 1970s and evidence removed to conceal the truth about if mallory was first to summit . much love from the uk 👍

[@EverestMystery]

Can't tell you how much it means to hear those words, thank you my friend!

[@jamieroach5755]

@@EverestMystery your very welcome , being humble and honest goes a long way and your subscribers can see this buddy . 👍

[@jonmassey]

Why would the Chinese wish to conceal the truth, if M and I had summited? Coveting the first ascent from the North?...sorry...this was covered at exactly the point I typed this...

[@tomdaly1010]

Thom, you spoke to our company back in the 90’s … with Tim Gillis… never forgot you or your story !!! I’m passionately following you! Maybe one day come speak at my new company in AGAWAM ! 🙏🏻😍Tom Daly

[@EverestMystery]

Tom, great hearing from you! I remember that talk well. Congratulations on your new company....I sure miss western Massachusetts and would love to visit again. If you don't have my contact info, Tim has it or you can find in the About section. Cheers and thank you for writing! -Thom

[@arsenal10141014]

Excellent stuff. Keep it up.

[@EverestMystery]

My pleasure, stay tuned for more :)

[@WellyCoaster]

Hi Thom, thanks for another great video and the effort you put in, love these! I feel as though Irvines body may have been taken down, I understand there was a clean up on the mountain, was it before the Olympics? Even if not to conceal anything he could have been removed as part of that process.

[@EverestMystery]

Carl, you're very welcome. I have a video coming soon about this very topic. Yes, before the 2008 Olympics, the entire north side of the mountain was closed so they could clear the way for the torch to be 'run' up to the summit. The sweep and cleanup was thought to have been pretty thorough. Thank you for watching!

[@glensmall9194]

It's really difficult to remove bodies from these altitudes. Did the Chinese simply pitch Irvine off the ridge?

[@EverestMystery]

@@glensmall9194 possibly....not a pretty thought, but this happens from time to time on both sides of the mountain...

[@Roheryn100]

I am confused, as Wikipedia says Shipton found Wilson's body in 1935 and buried it in a crevasse, yet Hemmleb says ( at 13:24) the Chinese told him 2008 that they found Wilson in 1960. Can anyone enlighten me ?

[@EverestMystery]

I believe the Shipton occurrence was at the foot of the North Col...honestly, I'm not sure if that means the bottom of the col or just under the col itself (my bad). The Chinese very likely also found him, likely some ways farther down the glacier. In 1999 two of my teammates encountered some tracings of what we are certain were parts of the remains of Wilson....no one touched what was found, merely a photo or two exists. The person who photographed the site deeply regrets not having a service said in memoriam. Anything that falls into a glacier moves along with that glacier at the same speed it flows downhill. Where we came across him and the Chinese did was quite a distance apart, and even farther from where Shipton supposedly saw him. Thank you for watching!

[@Roheryn100]

@@EverestMystery thank you for your very prompt reply. I had never heard of Wilson, and on reading the Wikipedia account was astonished at such a bizarre endeavor.

[@matthewnield3085]

Hi Thom, Matt here, just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel. I came for the mallory and Irving videos but have really enjoyed your other content. These videos have reignited my interest in the Mallory expedition, an interest that started when I was 10, watching ther premier of the documentary where you guys found Mallory. So in a round about way, you got me into this. I just wanted to share the fact that through yours and others drive to find out the truth, you passed that passion on to a 10 year old sitting in front of a TV in south England, and I thank you for that

[@EverestMystery]

Matt, you have made my day brighter by sharing that story with me. That means so much to me. On another occasion in 2014 I was on an expedition on the south side. We were sitting around having coffee on a rest day and one of the guides told me that he went into mountaineering after watching my film called Thin Air, about the 1991 New England Everest Expedition. He said he has always known about me and there we were trading tales of mountaineering. That guide now owns one of the premier guiding companies on Everest and other mountains in the world. It's a true honor...it makes all of this worth it to hear stories like that. Godspeed my friend!

[@murraycatto1]

If the Chinese claim to have found Sandy Irvine in 1975 there may still be some of the expedition members still alive. Be an interesting conversation to have to find out where they buried it and at least go and have a look for it without offending anyone.

[@EverestMystery]

Jochen interviewed a couple of them on numerous occasions. I can ask him about this in more detail in the future. I appreciate your thoughts.

[@ozzielam]

Thanks for your awesome videos and we await your next great work

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you so much - I have a ton more coming. I hope you'll indulge me with the occasional interview with explorers and musicians, writers and KZbinrs. My podcast, The Happiness Quotient, might be a good sampler of what's to come. Cheers and thank you!

[@blacktoothfox677]

Wonderful channel 🍀 Happily subscribed from the UK

[@EverestMystery]

It's wonderful having you here. Thank you!

[@blacktoothfox677]

@@EverestMystery aww bless you! Hey, I don'y know if we have a match... but I have a red paisleyburst Telecaster and a Fender Super-Champ tube amp.... How close is my rig to yours!? Could not see exactly what it was, looks lovely though!

[@lukycharms9970]

Has anyone looked at how Mallory’s body is positioned? It looks like he’s facing facing up hill. If he was on his way down I can’t imagine what would have to happen for you to end up prone facing up towards the summit even if it was a big fall. It seems like the only way he could have ended up in that position is if he was on his way up to the summit. Maybe there’s something obvious im missing??

[@EverestMystery]

When looking at his body, Jake Norton commented that it looked as if there had been a fall and GLM was attempting to crawl back upright. Indeed....thank you for watching.

[@baze3SC]

A big fall would mean a badly disfigured body, resembling a rag doll. Mallory's position looks more like someone trying to self-arrest during a relatively short fall. He was not on the standard route up and I think his body wasn't even that far horizontally from their high camp. It's not a logical line up the mountain.

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

Here are my thoughts. 1) Now we know Irvine's foot was found in the glacier. If Irvine's body was seen at the ridge, how did the boot and foot wind up below in the glacier? 2) If there is speculation that the Chinese moved Irvine's body off the mountain, presumably looking for clues on the M & I ascent, and if the Chinese knew about Mallory's body, then why was Mallory not also removed from the mountain? or his body looted for artifacts?

[@Seawolfaka]

I just listened to a podcast two or three days ago that speaks of both bodies being found the Chinese found the camera the film was bad and they apparently kicked his body over the side of the hill into oblivion you didn’t know this already you should go check it out and apparently they found it back in the 70s I think

[@EverestMystery]

That might have been my interview with Mark Synnott....click subscribe my friend and you'll get a notification when my next one comes out....there are more soon! Cheers and thank you!

[@jaxhaxnsnax]

Wow, such a good video. It really makes you wonder. After following all the experts on Everest I believe they somehow pulled it off.

[@EverestMystery]

Glad you enjoyed it! I will be bringing more, and hope you enjoy the others here. Thank you!

[@desmondhendrie6994]

Great chanel..I am also intrigued by this story...in my eyes the camera does exist...but it would change History..keep up the great work Thom....you never know..

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for visiting, I enjoy doing this and particularly enjoy bringing people together from all over the world to discuss these things. I'm happy you stopped by!

[@Brittany.Anderson]

I would actually be surprised if the Chinese were able to remove Irvine's body and or the camera. I don't think they found his body.

[@EverestMystery]

You might be right....I'll do some more digging... Thank you!

[@bradbankes8137]

It honestly doesn't matter, to conquer a mountain you have to come back alive. Even if Mallory or Irvine made it to the summit (which i find highly doubtful) they did not return. I find it fascinating to find out what happened to them. I dont think we will ever know, definitely an intriguing mystery non the less.

[@Humbledoor]

Thank you for pointing me to this video. One last question if I may, maybe an impossible one but......can you see a time when this mystery is finally solved?

[@EverestMystery]

Gosh, I can't even imagine....I'd say it could be years before we have any significant progress. Thank you for watching!

[@wgisgr8]

So Thom, I take it you’re one of the 6 man crew that found G. Mallory . That must have been a unforgettable moment for you and the team. Y’all were there approx 3 hrs. I read and buried him under a cairns. Can this site be seen from base camp? When will another designated crew go in search for Irvine ?

[@EverestMystery]

Technically, yes, you would be able to see this from Base Camp....however, the only way to truly know if the spot through the telescope was accurate would be if a couple bright downsuit wearing climbers were standing there. The mountain was closed to foreigners after the 2019 season (Covid, etc).... I'm not sure when it is going to open next. There is some talk of a return to have a look-see, but the person who I spoke to about this is only in the nascent stages of planning it. I will definitely keep you updated!

[@boondocksadventures2328]

Like your Videos!!! How do you know for sure which way Mallory and Irvine went? I know that's a tough question??? It just seems that why would he try the second step knowing it would take too much effort? So many mixed opinions??? it seems after Norton's efforts he would of built on that route?

[@EverestMystery]

Good question, absolutely. When I was first introduced into this mystery in 1999 as the high altitude cameraman on the search expedition, all we talked about was the Second Step. As the years have gone by and more forensic research and investigation has gone into the possibility of the Norton Couloir route, we will always wonder. I'm going to do an interview with some of the experts on this, soon....and hope to at least fill in some of the blanks. Always glad to have you visit and share your thoughts!

[@ralphbooger4756]

@@EverestMystery an interview with Michael Tracy would be interesting...

[@ralphbooger4756]

@@stewartjohnking well... maybe, but there is a difference in an interview and a debate, and i kinda understand some of his hostility by having seen some of the response he has got from some others who are outspoken on the subject, some of it seemingly downright dishonest and deceitful. as you say his analysis is really sharp, i think there are a lot of people that would be very interested in hearing what he has to say but has no clue of his his research even existing, and some who may have dismissed the bits and pieces they have heard based on the dismissive comments of more "popular researchers"... maybe an invitation to be interviewed and share his perspective on the subject could set a more friendly tone, and even if not, i do not like that his tone should stand in the way of information getting out, and i have seen it being used before as an argument to not take him seriously. although i do have to admit there is a similar feeling to letting a newly adopted pitbull off the leash in the dogpark for the first time and the worries that comes with it, but if he is really that hostile towards the idea, i think he would just decline the interview. what amazes me is that some of the information he has dug up is not more commonly known and considered/discussed by now, my impression is that either people are not aware of it at all, or they dive deep in to it with great interest... with the latter being greatly outnumbered.

[@dianebays5484]

Was Mallory's body left where it was found?

[@EverestMystery]

Yes, as per the wishes of his family, he was left where he was found. Thank you for watching!

[@kristoffersmith8289]

Nice to see the telecaster/fender amp combo. Oh, and thanks for the video 👍

[@EverestMystery]

Yes! I need to get the frets re-done....hoping to stave off a big expense on it. I'll keep you posted on that...oh, and thank you for dropping by. Always good to see you!

[@boondocksadventures2328]

Don't believe Chinese would of took Camera from Mallory without taking other items???? Right?

[@EverestMystery]

For sure, there was no backpack, gloves, even a boot was missing....no ice axe.... I've long wondered what happened to the other boot and his backpack. Cheers, thank you for watching!

[@chealey3658]

No backpack ,no gloves a boot missing that’s also mysterious, fascinating story

[@penelopelopez8296]

How would they have gotten Irvine’s body down the mountain. Apparently, it’s impossible to get other bodies down the mountain so how is it that the Chinese managed to move his body down the mountain but they can’t retrieve other bodies from up there. Irvine would be like a block of ice and weigh a ton. What would be their motive for removing irvines body but not Mallorys. What would they gain by doing that?

[@EverestMystery]

Great questions....it is possible to get bodies down the mountain, both Nepal and China have been doing it for many years. Possible that George was left because he is so far off the route....but I'm not fully sure. Thank you for watching!

[@achernarpolis8842]

From your experience on the mountain, and having been to Mallory’s resting spot… Is Jake Norton’s depiction of the location for Mallory’s body…as represented on the Virtual Everest Project, accurate to any specificity? It’s the only place I have seen anyone point to a specific spot on an image and not just refer to contextualized landmarks which don’t present the same on differing handheld photographs…just due to the difficult terrain I mean. Again not a conspiracy theory here just seeking to gain clarity since it’s hard to visualize if you have never been and let’s face it, it’s not a place most will ever have the opportunity to go too etc. Thanks.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for watching and thank you for the question. Jake's representation of the location of GLM's remains is somewhat accurate. However, he purposely kept it unspecific in order to keep it from becoming a map for any people interested in visiting the site. That said, generally speaking, he is in the vicinity of Jake's map. Glad that you visited, thank you!

[@achernarpolis8842]

@@EverestMystery thanks much for the reply! Glad that folks who “were there” actually respond and share their experiences. It’s such a captivating tragedy like the myths and legends of King Arthur or Odysseus. And very inspiring given that human nature is to push our limits to greater heights. Hopefully their sacrifice will be solved one day and just as importantly continue to inspire generations to pursue their dreams. I think most ppl understand the desire to protect what is left of his remains too.

[@lucasdale572]

Love what your working towards, I don't think we'll ever know though. Would be the best news ever to know!!!

[@EverestMystery]

So true, I couldn't imagine more amazing and exciting news! Thank you and cheers!

[@agentolshki4265]

If the first summit of everest was in 1953 why would the Chinese be so keen to cover up a possible 1924 summit in 1960? Is that just based on that they had ascended by a different route/face?

[@EverestMystery]

The 1953 ascent by Hillary and Tenzing was on the south, or Nepal, side of the mountain. The disappearance of M&I in 1924 was on the north, or Tibet, side of the mountain. The Chinese climbed from the north in 1960 and, until proven otherwise, were the first to summit from the north. Cheers and thanks for watching!

[@agentolshki4265]

@@EverestMystery I take it the Nepal side is more straightforward as most climbers go for that route or is it because the Nepalese are more accommodating to climbers? And if its harder is there a particular reason mallory and irvine went for the Chinese side or just simply as they were one of the first and we're experimenting? Also are the Chinese authorities unlikely to give permission for climbers if they think they're searching for anything from the 1924 attempt?

[@nullarborjack]

There would have been more than one roll of film. So a couple might be still in the clothing of Irvine's remains. I feel the body is still under the stones in a cleft of rock away from the main walking route. The Chinese team included a woman and I think she commented on an Everest documentary on BBC TV (Horizon?) (The World Around Us? ) around 1976.

[@EverestMystery]

If you could find that Everest documentary I'd be thrilled.... You are likely talking about Pan Duo, the woman who summited in 1975. She originally stated that they found a body and the camera, then the story was retracted in the years following. Thanks for the tip (and apologies for taking so long to get to your comment!)

[@agentolshki4265]

Did anyone on the 1960/75 expeditions specifically say the body that was higher up was moved? And do we assume thrown down the mountain?

[@EverestMystery]

I'm working on a video now that should be out (hopefully) before the end of this week, stay tuned!

[@robynholliday4794]

Love your videos Thom 👏👏👏

[@EverestMystery]

Nothing makes me happier than to know there are people like you that are enjoying them! Thank you :)

[@12floz67]

Just when I think one way it changes and I think another. This is indeed a roller coaster ride. Can’t wait to hear more.🍻

[@EverestMystery]

You and me both! Crazy....but fun....

[@vadusnisky]

I imagine it would be nigh on impossible to lift a body that has been frozen solid to the mountain without equipment to do so,and then there's the issue of how did they bring the body off the mountain,it being in the death zone.

[@EverestMystery]

All very good thoughts and questions.....thank you!

[@haydenbretton2990]

Just one question,( facts I have only read )1975, the Chinese climber found the English dead, he said he had a hole in his face and in a sitting position, yet Mallory was found face down in a position he must have died in.

[@EverestMystery]

Indeed....possible that it is a translation issue. Jochen seems to think that Wang was not referring to Mallory....in my mind, there is no way Mallory moved an inch from the time he fell until he was found on 1 May 1999. Cheers

[@haydenbretton2990]

@@EverestMystery I enjoy reading Jochen's climbing reports, someone once said he could name the colour of socks a lost climber was wearing..

[@АнтонШкателов]

Привет из Мурманска!!! Я уверен что эти двое парней достигли вершины и погибли при спуске. нет ни рюкзаков ни баллонов , ни рам....обратно они шли пустые...надо искать Ирвина - он по всей вероятности ниже.ирвин мене опытный в горах, мог упасть и утянуть мелори .и логично что лежит где то ниже по склону. Так как шли в связке! Веревка на теле Ирвина есть !

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you so much my friend! I appreciate that you watched and agree with your analysis. Best regards to you (Google translated): Большое спасибо, друг мой! Я ценю, что вы смотрели и согласны с вашим анализом. С уважением к вам

[@davebass-76]

Tryin' to analyze things with some kind of logic, I think that Mallory fell in the same position you found him in '99, due to the open arms as to stop the fall, thus I don't think that the chinese did turn the body in search of something, unless digging around it just like your team did.They probably found him, they took a look but not so much in depth, due to body position, maybe the fact that one single person could not dig and search a body at that altitude alone etc...Different approach for Irvine, because (if I remember well) one of the chinese said that the english dead was wearing braces and he also saw his face.I'm not an 8000's climber (I only summited many 4000's but it's a completely different story in terms of exhaustion and oxygen lack) but if I could come across a dead body closer enough to see his face I would even be able to check for a camera, adding the fact that it should have been hanged on his neck (not sure about VPK, because a vestpocket could be really placed in a vest pocket, but many other camera models simply does not enter in any pocket) . All of my thoughs are just speculation, but as a non-pro mountaineer I simply don't believe that anybody did not search any of the two bodies if they came across them.

[@kristoffersmith8289]

Camera would be in a back pack not hanging around a neck I would have thought

[@davebass-76]

@@kristoffersmith8289 it could be possible, for sure, but with the oxygen apparathus on their shoulders and possibly also one sleeping bag , I'n not 100% sure they wore a backpack

[@EverestMystery]

I completely agree....you are spot on in your analysis (well, I agree, at least!). Mallory was indeed in the position he'd originally fallen in, as he was cemented into the surface, essentially. I do agree on the other thoughts. Thanks so much for watching. More coming soon. Cheers!

[@EverestMystery]

Or, as Jochen surmises, maybe Sandy took the photo and kept it to be 'sorted out' back at camp. Cheers!

[@davebass-76]

@@EverestMystery One thing more, just to clarify my overall point of view.Why all of us wants to put M&I on top that day in '24? Is not for a disrespectful behaviour to Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing. They made it to the top in '53 and they came back alive.Their result is unmistakable and nobody can remove it.M&I have perished in some part of that climbing day, this is a fact. But I hope that they made it to the top, at least, as a sort of prize for their bravery and determination.One greeat mountaineer and a young guy with no experience at such altitude.It's all there, the essence of adventure, of discovery, that's what moves people to the unknown.As a parallel, when I talk about this topic, I like to bring together Mallory, Irvine, Armstrong and Aldrin.In '24 going for the top of Everest was like landing on the moon in '69. It's a matter of admiration, nothing more.

[@buckmontana245]

IF they saw his body they pushed it over an edge. No way they brought him down. I would be looking below the point where it was said to be seen. He's still up there.

[@garysmith5641]

one of the biggest mysteries for me is what kind of people they were , For me they were all very serious dudes , not like the Mallory narrated by Liam Neeson . and for me John Noel was the most serious dude you could bump into . Can you tell me if anyone walks nude down the Rongbuk today for conditioning ? Or if anyone gives credit to Noel for the whole Everest Adventure . ?

[@EverestMystery]

In 2007 Wim Hof got to 24,000 feet/7,400 meters in shorts and shoes or sandals. I think Noel has been lauded according to his incredible talents and legacy.

[@mac1975]

Do you know what happened to Brian Nally?

[@EverestMystery]

The Irish climber who got hit with the rescue bills? I may be mistaken...

[@mac1975]

@@EverestMystery Brian Nally: ‘Once we got to the Second Ice-field, we knew it was a long one, but the distance was enormous from where we were to where we had to get to to the first rocks. It was late now and the condition of the ice-field was water, ice and slush. It was in very bad condition. We decided to plough straight across rather than go for the rim. We decided to cut steps, firstly because the condition of the ice-field wasn't good, and secondly, in case we had to retreat. So we ploughed across and the stones started coming down; we'd been through stonefall many times before, but we hadn't seen anything like this. The ice-field suddenly got raked from stones in every quarter, and then suddenly all Hell broke loose, and we turned in to face the ice and face the upward slope, and tried to dodge the big ones and hope the little ones wouldn't catch us. We got hit several times but we just pressed on and on. The ice-field is incredible. It's just endless and endless. Well, eventually after Barry yelled several times to duck, and stones and warnings, we hauled in to the end of the ice-field. We were glad that the Second Ice-field was over and Barry came up, and he said 'There's a pitch of V up there', and I said, 'Right'. Vole altered the ropes round and belayed off, threaded through the ring piton, went up a bit higher, put another piton in and then a third piton. I watched him belaying out the rope and he'd overcome the major difficulty and he was leading on. And then he went out of sight. And everything went quiet for a bit. The rope stopped and payed out again. Suddenly from high above I heard him yell out, 'Stones'. And instinctively I dodged and kept close to the rock, at the same time I heard my name sharp and clear and I looked up and Barry was falling backwards through the air and went hurtling past me, and the top two pitons pulled out. He crashed on to the ice about 1 0 0 ft below me. For a moment I just stood there staring at the ring piton, not believing that it could have held, and I looked down at Barry. He was down on the ice upside down. He wasn't moving. I stayed there for a minute and then I put a piton in and tied the rope to it, and unroped, climbed up to the ring piton and hit it back in, put another piton in to secure it again. Then I climbed down to Barry, and he was very badly injured and he was unconscious. From the position of his body I came to the conclusion that his back was broken. And then I formed a harness in the rope, took all the weight off his chest, hung him in the sling. Normally it would have been quite a comfortable position. And the stones were 1 This account of the accident on the Eigerwand of 24-5 July 1962, in which Barry Brewster lost his life, was recorded for RB.C. T.V. on 3 May 1968 and televised later in the year. We make no comment beyond noting that anyone unfortunately faced with such circumstances must decide for himself at the time how far to risk life further in support of an accident victim so seriously injured. The first British ascent of the Eiger- wand was achieved a month later by Chris Bonington and Ian Clough, in ideal conditions, with practically no stonefall (A.]. 67.338, and 68. 29). 68 SUDDENLY ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE still coming and I started to hack out a platform and this took a long time, and it had to be long and wide enough to carry his full length. I was grateful that he was unconscious, hadn't got any pain. And when this platform was completed I pulled him back into it and secured him and put him in the sleeping bag and took my crash helmet off and put it on him and ... and then tried to form a barrier between him and the upward slope, rucksacks and myself. It was late in the afternoon by then and everything looked ... everything was lost. It wasn't a question of just one of us being injured. It was.... This was the Eiger and it was both of us you see. Once or twice I went up to the rock where I'd left some gear and cooking stoy'e and brought them back and I settled down for the night. I sort of placed myself between him and the upward slope and just waited for the morning. Stones were relentless. We were directly in a path of one of the chutes that is in direct line from the summit where all the stones funnel down and shoot out to the face. We couldn't have moved to the right or to the left. We just had to stay where we were. And during the night I had to make the decision whether at first light I should leave Barry and try and go for my friends to help or to stay. It was obvious Barry was very badly injured, and the point was I couldn't bear for him to regain consciousness and me not to be there. It was a most terrible decision to have to make, and I spent the whole night trying to make it, but even at first light I hadn't made that decision. Because I wouldn't admit that he wasn't going to pull through; He'd been unconscious, he'd moved once or twice, but he hadn't really woken. And then at first light I tried ... tried to really make this decision, and he seemed to stir a little, moved an arm and he seemed to regain consciousness a bit, so I went back again up the slope and got a stove, thinking that I'd make a drink or some soup or something if he could take it. I'd started to make this and he seemed to come to a bit. And he opened his eyes and seemed to know where he was and who I was and he said, 'I'm sorry Brian', and he died. And everything went dark and it really was the end of everything. First reaction was to go for the summit at any cost, because that's what we'd come to do, and I couldn't bear the thought of going down. But time passed, and I rationalised a bit more, and came round to the proper decision to make. So I secured him once more with ice pitons, and cut the rope above him and coiled the rope, meaning to try for the descent. And I went up again to the rock, coiled the rope and came down once more to Barry and just stayed there for a little while and I couldn't bear to take any of the pieces of equipment that were so vital to me now. I couldn't bear to take the crash helmet, or the ice screws and pitons. So I left everything just where it was. I knew this was the last time I was leaving him and I started to go back up the slope and the stones had kept up all night, SUDDE LY ALL HELL BROKE LOO E 69 but they seemed to increase now, and the whole field was raked from every quarter again. And suddenly I felt this was bigger than usual, and I started moving a bit faster and I was about 20 ft away from the rock when great tons of rubble and ice came down. I was directly in the path of the rock avalanche, and I raced for the rock and just got there, but turned round to see that this avalanche took Barry's body away and took it over the edge of the ice into the blackness. And this was the cruellest thing that could have happened. I took up the rope and started the long haul back, going back down the ice-field again, and I couldn't bear to leave the place. But I didn't look back, I just started off again. On the way down I met the other British party coming up, and the rest of the story you know. We turned through the storm and then back to the foot.... And even now I know that in spite of it all what I have become or what I shall become in my lifetime those moments up on that Second Ice-field, they were the most terrible ... they were the proudest moments of my life. To have been in the company of Barry Brewster in an attempt on the Eiger Wall. He was a fine climber, and he was a good friend. The Eiger gave us the supreme test. We didn't make the summit, but we didn't fail’

[@Roheryn100]

@@mac1975 😢😢