China's SECRET: The Camera & Irvine's Body Were FOUND on Everest

[@dianebays5484]

This may be off topic, Thom, but i dont understand michael tracey. Whats his problem?

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for asking. Unfortunately, there are some people out there who, for their own reasons, focus on creating conspiracy theories and attempting to discredit others, especially when they are fueled by envy and low self-esteem, or merely have a personal agenda. This individual has spread a lot of misinformation based on assumptions or misunderstandings. I prefer to let my experiences and the relationships I’ve built with my friends from the 1999 and 2019 Everest expeditions and those I've met in this community on Everest Mystery speak for themselves. Take a look around at the guests I've had here on Everest Mystery and on my podcast. These are people of humility, integrity and character. I don't imagine you will see any of them on that channel, would you? Personally, I have only watched one of the videos on that channel, and it was so full of incorrect information, assumptions and blatant lies (it was a video about me) created purely to create a dislike or distrust, that I determined never to watch another video again on that channel. The only information I receive are from friends who have the stomach to endure the faceless, monotone voice of each video. No matter the good research this individual has done, it is completely discredited given how many conspiracies and untruths fill the channel. I'm honestly amazed that people can watch the videos and accept that half of it is complete fabrication. I feel no antipathy toward that individual. We are all free will beings and he is free to create however he wishes...in this case, from a place of darkness and fear. If you have questions about anything, I’d be happy to respond.

[@don_5283]

@@EverestMystery Could you specify one or a few blatant lies or bits of incorrect information? As someone just discovering this conflict, it would be very helpful to have something that could be directly cross-checked, to help to directly establish the reliability of different claims and sources.

[@EverestMystery]

@@don_5283 Hello and thanks so much for watching! My intent is honestly to bring people closer together through this amazing mystery. There is an extremely small but vocal minority intent on discrediting, defaming and maligning people who were at the site of Mallory's discovery, telling stories that they kept things for personal gain, also to perpetuate stories that simply are not true, such as Mallory supposedly having written that he had no intention of taking the ridge route (that is simply not true). This movement unfortunately discredits some pretty darn good investigative work done. Such is life : )

[@Stevo-k7w]

Thank you so much for talking about this misinformation channel. I’m on an Everest KZbin binge after reading Into Thin Air and Dark Summit. Instantly a fan of you, and then MIchael Tracey video start popping up as well. Yikes. I couldn’t even make it through one. Wild speculations and assumptions and binary thinking (oh, there’s no ropes in this picture so therefore Krakauer is a liar and a fraud!) Thank you for providing such excellent, well-sourced content.

[@acewing24]

One side has nothing to gain but the truth. The otherside changes thier ideas, narrative and so called "recalled" facts overtime. Everytime there is a new development or possibility of a new book or funding expedition they switch up thier story just a little to match up with said development.

[@nickjung7394]

I agree that the Chinese culture of "face" would effectively preclude any admission that the camera had been found and that they had fouled up the development of the film.

[@beverlyhills7883]

The camera would have tumbled down a considerable distance. Light would have corrupted the film. You can't blame the Chinese for that.

[@fastinradfordable]

@@beverlyhills7883does light go inside sealed film canister inside a camera? Film canisters gotta be light proof… or kinda.. they wouldn’t work in the first place lol

[@brichalfant6127]

​@@beverlyhills7883or moisture or any of a number of ways the camera housing could be compromised in 41+ years on the side of the mountain.

[@Pookiemunjie]

@@beverlyhills7883 I am from Beverly hills nsw ostralia. You?

[@arneheeringa96]

@@fastinradfordable at that time there weren't any film canisters. Probably they took roll film, sheet film or even plates (but they were heavier)

[@staceysoden3047]

To me that camera is the MOST important item we need to see on Everest. I’m a firm believer that Mallory & Irvine are the first to ever summit Everest & pray we get evidence to support that

[@PatrickDuffy-u3s]

The assumption is they were the first, even if evidence proves it, is a postulate. You assume it to be true, when there exists the possibility that neanderthals climbed the mountain 20,00 years ago. The world didn't begin in 1924.

[@andrewjames8980]

@@staceysoden3047 Irvine's remains and whether there are summit rocks on it would be the other. He was the bigger man and junior so maybe he volunteered to take them back down.

[@danielmaddox886]

New subscriber! Veteran of both Afghanistan and Iraq invasions with 101st Airborne! I say yes! They most certainly saw the summit and China most certainly knows this!! Love your channel and thank you for all your videos, very informative to a new lover of Mallory and Irvine story

[@EverestMystery]

Took me awhile but I wanted to say thanks for subscribing to the channel! It's great having you here!

[@your.dark.lord.]

If that was so, why would china hide it? I'm asking it for real, is there any political interest in hiding it? I cannot imagine why would I care if the first man was british or kiwi.

[@LD-qj2te]

Thank you for this story ! I have been fixated on everything Everest and even more so when the found Mallory’s body

[@brendanoneill1466]

This is fascinating. Wayne’s contribution to the saga is so human and accounts so much for cultural norms. Thanks Thom for sharing this.

[@EverestMystery]

I appreciate the comment. I really wanted to put this forward to shed light on that aspect of it. Thank you for watching and getting the most important part of it. Cheers

[@normanmallory2055]

The engineers at Kodak were asked the question , would the film be good after all these years ? And their answer was yes !

[@EverestMystery]

Pretty cool that they said this! Incredible to think that they could bring to life images snapped 98 years ago....

[@normanmallory2055]

@@EverestMystery Camera film can be frozen for many years and thawed out is perfectly good ! In fact in my freezer I have one roll that is August 1980 ! Upon 50 years I’m going to thaw it out and shoot it !! Professional film has no expiration date , it lives below 40* in your frig! I’ve shot it over 20 year old , it had perfect images !

[@johnrflinn]

I have developed 100 year old film from Conley and Montauk glass plates that was exposed but never developed and the images were fine. Black and white film especially on glass plates is very archival. The film pack I developed from the 30's that came with a Bergheil 9x12 camera also produced good images.

[@gregrobsn]

"Cellulose nitrate was first used as a base for photographic roll film by George Eastman in 1889; it was used for photographic and professional 35mm motion picture film until the 1950s. It is highly flammable and also decomposes with age, becoming toxic." (According to the Science and Media Museum.) But, like the man said, it was frozen and at no time could it have thawed. Being it was cellulose based, could it get freezer burn?

[@well_i_liked_it]

Not exactly. There answer was it "might" be possible to develop it.

[@dannydevito5729]

Thanks for continuing to keep asking questions about this Thom. We're all out here feeling closer to new information than we have been in 20 years

[@dannydevito5729]

That being said, this is a lot of hearsay, as our friend Michael Tracy would say. Interesting hearsay for sure, though! I feel like you have the contacts to start getting people talking about a serious expedition to attempt the zig zag route. It wouldn't be proof, but imagine if there was oxygen cached along the zig zag route it might show they made it, only to "miss" their turn on the way down, in confusion or exhaustion, and have to attempt to climb down the ridge and ultimately fall in the dark. Of course this is wild speculation but thanks again for what you do, so many of us are right there with you

[@EverestMystery]

It's fun to discuss it....I enjoy it, and am mostly interested in the idea of bringing people together. I truly don't look at any of this as hearsay. The gentleman in this video is of exceptional character and would have nothing to gain from spinning a wild tale. The conjecture is the stuff that gives me pause to scratch my head.....we've heard it all. Thank you as always for watching, great to have you part of the discussion. Cheers

[@rishiwalker2027]

I suppose there isn't any accurate/proper information regarding the location of the spotted body that Mark managed to get with these interviews i.e elevation, terrain etc.?

[@rogjackson]

"Hearsay" informally is just a second hand statement of what was said to someone else. Doesn't mean it isn't accurate. It just means they didn't witness the statement or the event described in the statement.

[@bolshoefeodor6536]

@@EverestMystery Although you and I disagree as to this individual's reliability due to his having been a member of a completely corrupt and disgraced organisational framework, I nonetheless thoroughly appreciate the work being done. Mountaineering history can definitely benefit from the evidence-based, analytic approach that is deployed in most other endeavours! Greatto see this. Appendix: Just to be clear, this scepticism toward Western "intel" people is now a blanket operating principle at my end, and not a targeted, personal thing! I just got tagged too many times in my life with active disinformation and corporatism from Western (and mostly US) "intelligence".

[@storyteller3927]

Thank you so much for this. It does seem that the Chinese found Irvine. Your interview makes the circumstances and culture surrounding it much easier to understand, but when I think of the joy and reverence we all felt when you found George Mallory, it makes me so sad that Sandy Irvine was relegated to chance remarks during the 2008 Olympics.

[@EverestMystery]

I'm glad you found the video interesting! Some people want to refute any element of this story...but, I believe it is highly possible that it took place. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts

[@Pali65]

It seems to me that if Chinese would admit today they knew Mallory&Irvine climbed Everest and kept that secret for themselves, it would put them in a bad light and that means they are losing face again. It is unlikely they would reveal more details on the story.

[@EverestMystery]

For sure, I defer to the experts to comment on these matters....but I'm in agreement with you.

[@johnrflinn]

@@EverestMystery The Prime Directive of the CCP is saving face at all costs.

[@akschmidt2085]

There's no way they'd admit that, only way would be a whistleblower smuggling out the evidence. Don't see that happening either. There is sadly no real evidence I can find for the Chinese story, it's always hearsay and of course the Chinese official accounts need to be taken with a grain of salt as well (the summit is disputed and they've never bothered to convince the climbing world, so it could just be a propaganda tale to be used "in house" as it were). It's just such a rumour barrel that I can understand no one giving it much credence.

[@generaljimmies3429]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese destroyed the camera to deny proof

[@berger1510]

excellent Thom, I really enjoyed that, Thank you.

[@EverestMystery]

Robert, my pleasure, I'm glad that you enjoyed it!

[@stephenconrad4766]

Hi Thom. Great work with these videos. I've been fascinated with Everest my entire life, and even gave our youngest boy the middle name Everest. I really appreciate your thoughtful search for the truth. Your put your life on the line on Everest in pursuit of knowledge, and I can think of no nobler reason to climb that mountain. Thank you for helping us couch climbers engage in the mystery of Mallory and Irvine fate. It's truly fascinating.

[@EverestMystery]

I really appreciate the kind comment. Thank you. It has been an enjoyable journey, that's for sure. Give my regards to Everest for me!

[@kelrogers8480]

Poor kid, man! 😂

[@elizabethmarshall3558]

Couch climbers. 😊

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Perhaps your next kid can have "Kato" (for K2) as the middle name.

[@oughtssought1198]

for decades now, whenever I meet someone with a name that has some other meaning than its use as a name, & especially when the name's meaning has some especially bodacious meaning, "Destiny" or "Grace" for example ... I've been in the habit of asking 3 questions (after first asking permission to do so) = 1st were you conscious of your name's meaning while growing up if the answer to that is "yes" .... then 2nd do you feel being conscious of its meaning effected you in any way (not necessarily trying to live up to it ... but any way at all) ... if "yes", then 3rd are you glad you were named thus + experienced the effects of that (the 3rd is often clear w/o asking from. hearing their answer to the 2nd) ... I've persisted in the habit(hobby?), which I mention here to recommend to others, due to how high the % of times what they add after "yes" to one or all of their replies is interesting to hear, sometimes especially so; which is why I recommend it here. usually it is a cashier ringing my groceries wearing a name tag that starts it & I credit my dad's habit I repeatedly witnessed when shopping with him as a child. He never said as much but I got a definite impression as I got older that being a cashier rerunning the same basic conversation with minimal variations for your whole work shift must get boring & that dad's aim was to add a laugh or smile to their day if an opportunity presented itself ... it taught me what later became a bit of a hippie adage where I went to college in central CA, that strangers are mostly friends you haven't met yet (unless they prove otherwise). Dad's chatting wasn't a come-on of any kind, just a taste test reminder that we're all here in it together. Making a habit of what I'd seen him do eventually led to the 3 Qs described above as another option for continuing the practice I'd. learned from watching him. I've no idea how often middle names might have as much effect as first names.

[@torpedobob111]

Love your work, Thom!

[@EverestMystery]

James, thank you!

[@chancevonfreund9145]

Too bad, she doesn't remember the location so it can be confirmed. Just finding Sandy's body would be huge. Love the channel very interesting and I can't get over how brave they were with the equipment. Hobnail boots, clothing wow!🗻

[@akmalhussain2248]

This is valuable information

[@MrAuk929]

If it's "face" (the first to summit on the Chinese side) and they think they can get away with it any camera found will soon be "lost"! Congratualions to Mallory and Irvine on being the first to reach the summit!

[@ajaydandekar1069]

Dear Thom once again congrats on such an insightful interview, does help in putting a perspective on Mark Synnott's story. So where do we go from here...one can say that first impressions, stated or written down are perhaps closest to the truth. Like Odell's diary entry( "nearing the base of final pyramid') the Pan Duo narrative on camera as she first told the story would be the most believable before a u-turn came. It does appear that the Chinese found some evidence( including Irvine, and perhaps Mallory's camera too) on the Mountain. Why then not come out with it? One can only speculate; perhaps they found evidence that Mallory and Irvine indeed summitted and thus were the first ones to successfully scale the ridge route. That would nullify the Chinese 1960 claim that they scaled the North East Ridge Route first, a loss of face. Or they found inconclusive evidence and to admit that they had the evidence and not reveal the nature of it or the evidence itself would be tantamount to hiding and a loss of face. Since either way it would be a loss of face, they kept silent and are still silent( officially) about the things they perhaps saw and recorded and took from that 1924 climb. Another intriguing aspect of the story( and the interview) was the reference to the tent fabric. I do remember that a body in the sleeping bag was mentioned( Xu perhaps, or Chhiring). Credible research done by Philp Summers on the sleeping bag issue shows that Mallory and Irvine carried two sleeping bags from North Col camp IV up to their Camp VI. The final tally of the sleeping bags in Camp VI including the ones carried by Mallory and Irvine does not tally with what Odell saw. ( see thewire.in/history/minute-plans-and-a-missing-camera-part-3-of-the-mystery-of-Mallory-and-Irvine). There is a tendency in some quarters to downplay the final preparations of Mallory and Irvine and a lot is made out of Mallory's alleged forgetfulness. Contrary to belief in some quarters, Mallory and Irvine had devised a radically different plan for their June 8 1924 climb, which perhaps involved carrying 5 Oxygen bottles( Stella Envelope) and sleeping bag/s. This gave Mallory a greater turnaround time,( which otherwise for pre-first World War British expeditions was mostly around 1 in the afternoon from the high point) as they must have cached the Oxygen bottle as well as the Sleeping bag on the ascent. The fact that they came so close on their descent to Camp Six makes the climb perhaps the greatest climb of epical proportions when nothing was known about the ridge route, summit pyramid, and difficulties of descent on the Second Step. The truth does have a way of finding its way and evidence will emerge.. where are the oxygen racks, discarded oxygen bottles... everything cannot be lifted. May be the Kangshung Face one day will reveal what was turned over the ridge.. Once again thanks a lot Thom and sorry for a long exposition! ajay

[@EverestMystery]

Hi Ajay, your insight is always inspiring. I appreciate all of the hard work and dedication you've given to the Mystery. I agree that there are some elements of this interview that cause one to scratch one's head, particularly around the 'tent' fabric. In the transcript of the interview there were question marks around this word, and the the interviewer admitted he wasn't sure if 'tent' was the right translation. Just as Wanghoa told of seeing the 'old English dead' to a Japanese climber, we know that there were translation issues. It's possible that the 'tent' was a sleeping bag, or maybe was a tent. As you have mentioned, it all deserves a deeper look. Indeed, where to go from here? I'm often bemused by the offhanded brush-offs of this interview and of the information that Synnott puts forth in the Salon article. These are tantalizing bits of information that provide true researchers with something to go forward with. There are many who have an image in their mind of exactly what happened and they are unwilling to say that even a camera was part of the plan...as if we really even knew the plan. Ajay, I've looked into your writing and have enjoyed what you've put out there on the story. One thing I would like to investigate with you is the idea of Mallory choosing Irvine for the summit bid. I have a story to tell about Sandy that is somewhat personal, which was alluded to in the Lost On Everest documentary that's on Disney+. I always felt that Mallory was free (as a soul) and that Sandy was stuck up there, scared. In my quest during 2019 I had the sense that our efforts finally set him free. That moment came when I experienced symptoms of a TIA at ABC. I'm sure the doubters of where a soul goes after this body passes might be thinking me half-baked, but I honestly don't mind. This page is about community and sharing of ideas so that we can all grow as individuals. Everest, truly, is merely the portal into which we enter that conversation. Cheers, looking forward to talking with you. -Thom

[@ajaydandekar1069]

Dear Thom thanks for kind words and encouragement. Have connected.

[@EverestMystery]

@@ajaydandekar1069 Ajay, great hearing from you. Looking forward to connecting!

[@aeromodeller1]

1924 was post First World War. The use of oxygen at high altitude was developed by flight crews during that war.

[@aeromodeller1]

@@EverestMystery Have someone else do a translation, someone more familiar with the 1924 expedition.

[@rickcleveland310]

Do you think the Chinese will ever come clean on this? If the Chinese found the body & the camera and they were wholly preoccupied with their own summit bid being first… why even bother to bring the body or the camera down? As much as I would love to learn Mallory & Irvine made it to the summit, it seems the most unlikely outcome. This was a great interview and only adds to the mystery. Great work, Thom. I still remember where I was the day I read you guys found Mallory! This is one of my life’s most enduring puzzles! Keep digging!

[@rogjackson]

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. From the Salon Synnott article: "Pan Duo: I don't remember the details of this . . . We buried him under a pile of stones: it wasn't bad. We stood there freezing. The body lay on the floor, when we went to pull him, maybe spleen or whatever, all would have been damaged. We considered it and then put small stones on his body, to show our grief/mark the grave. " But I am thinking that descending is difficult enough on its own without distraction. Now, after summiting, you happen upon Sandy Irvine's body and you stop to do a search and burial? Doesn't really add up, does it? I mean maybe, but hmmm...

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you Rick. I still have as of yet to come to my own conclusions on what happened on 8 June '24. These interviews are a way for me to dig deeper and put it out there for you and the other detectives to analyze. Thanks again

[@rickcleveland310]

@@EverestMystery what part of the country do you live in?

[@EverestMystery]

@@rickcleveland310 I'm in New England, where winter lasts a bit too long, summer tantalizingly too short. I apologize if I am slow on the response on these threads, as I don't receive a notification of further comments once I've made my first reply. Cheers!

[@sjb3460]

absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kencusick6311]

I know a guy, who I can’t name. Who spoke with a woman, who saw a body and doesn’t remember a camera. But I heard a rumor there was a camera on the body but no pictures were developed. But that camera could still be somewhere. Oh and it was on Mount Everest. Notice how little actual information is contained in my version. But with the last line, suddenly we mentally fill in the story with the possibility that was Sandy Irvine’s body. I’m not saying what little there is here isn’t Sandy Irvine. I’m saying there is nothing specific about this story that should lead one to think that it is.

[@josm1481]

Yes, it's another vague story with little substantiation. Of course, it may be true but really needs at least something more tangible.

[@rogjackson]

Yes, this type of criticism is valid here until we have something tangible linking the Pan Duo story to SI directly. This may occur, if for instance, someone involved can identify a belonging found on the body of SI and can later produce that item or describe it in such a way as to make it unequivocally clear that SI was discovered.

[@josm1481]

@@rogjackson about the only details Duo gave was it was about 8200m, it was a foreigner and he had only a yellow tent: 1. Did the 1924 expedition have yellow tents? I've only seen black and white pics. I don't know. 2. She suggests he was carrying it, not in it. Why would Irvine be carrying a tent? They weren't for the summit. So, did it go back to camp 6, collect a tent to take it to Mallory? 8200m is about the height of camp 6 3. Odell went up twice to search the area around camp 6. I thought he said the tent was there and it was messy. Or at least I don't remember him saying the tent was missing. Something you'd surely notice.

[@oneworldawakening]

Everyone here is probably well aware of Michael Tracy's videos; he makes a strong case that the camera is just a tale.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks for watching.

[@kenwbrenner]

Hi Thom. Enjoyed this interview and video very much. I'm led to believe that Mallory and Irvine made it to the top. From an interview I heard, it's quite possible they didn't use today's route - and therefore didn't have to deal with the 2nd Step. Thanks for this video and your great channel!

[@dannydangelo762]

Camera question. Would film inside the camera survive that many years on Everest and harsh elements? How certain of an answer could be ascertained? The answer to that would help to determine if the 1960 or 1975 expeditions would have reason of not releasing developed film and or bumbling developing process. It does make alot sense however the diplomatic reasons as why this still remains a mystery. Excellent videos btw, quite enjoyable.

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you for watching. Here is a video I did that answers your question about whether the film could be developed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZK4gKaaoa15rq8

[@oughtssought1198]

there is also a long conversation about this above @replies to "@normanmallory2055. The engineers at Kodak .."

[@liamcarolan2021]

Great video - I think this is likely. Mark and your expedition would have found him if he was there. I think they took the camera and pushed the body over the edge

[@EverestMystery]

I do as well....I am nearly 100% convinced they found the body and likely the camera with it.

[@oughtssought1198]

@@EverestMystery so, then, by the logic our western minds are trained or inclined to mindread Chinese govt thinking with ?=? IF they found the body + camera then + IF they succeeded in developing the film + IF the film did NOT have photos of Mallory+Irvine, or just one, on the summit THEN they would have produced the photos as evidence that Mallory+Irvine didn't reach the summit ??? I'm neither insinuating a viewpoint nor being snarky when I phrased that "trained. or inclined to mindread" ... more along the lines of what I enjoy so much in all of yr videos that I've seen ... explicitly acknowledging all potential realities & uncertainties ... & appreciating based on extensive curiosity about Chinese history, how differently Chinese thinking has often been from west govts' views re: that. My opinion, always disinclined to certaintiy+conviction, is exactly as you just stated yours; but I mention my first paragraph here to ask if that paragraph is an accurate assessment of one of many potential IFfy scenarios?

[@mafteim5556]

Very cool material. That Chinese Lady didn't she remembered even one single detail about the body, like for example was he wearing both boots, or at least the position it was? That would solve the mistery of Sandy Irvine, I guess, taking into consideration the finding of George Mallory body back in 1999. Thank you for very cool interview, again.

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@mariannemarlow]

Excellent interview. But yes it would be bad not to know if Mallory and Irvine made the summit. It would be nice for Irvine to be found to, to try and work out what happened on the way down (or up) that caused their demise. Also just to be a witness to Irvine and see him, like you saw Mallory.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks so much for watching! It's good having you here

[@alexk2652]

Relentless intrigue Thom.

[@EverestMystery]

Thanks my friend!

[@philc.5100]

Can you imagine, this Diplomat could unlock the key to one of the World's greatest mysteries (did they or didn't they) yet he wants remain silent so he can have a peaceful retirement!

[@rogjackson]

Yeah, I had that thought. Or maybe "peaceful retirement" wasn't the reason.

[@bolshoefeodor6536]

I sniff the stench of lucre ... I know, I am too cynical, and a bad person.

[@kc72186]

@@rogjackson myself included, I immediately smell a cover up. I'm Old and suspicious....

[@oughtssought1198]

@@kc72186 I'm old+suspicious too, especially of govt + diplomats, & I've seen too many coverups first-hand just in schools + biz jobs + yes I CAN imagine "he wants to remain silent so he can have a peaceful retirement!"

[@megansimplystitch]

Thanks for sharing this interview. It was interesting. 😢 In my opinion, the Chinese team found Irvine and some of his belongings. (Maybe a few of his cameras, tools, hags, etc) But, the film was not intact or couldn't be developed properly. If they had found anything of value, then the world would have been inundated with big announcements about Irvine, Mallory & Everest There is no way that the Chinese government would have kept this secret for this long.

[@dukecraig2402]

What part of "There's no up side for them" don't you get? If they did indeed find his body and camera in 75, which I personally don't believe they did because all of it is nothing but second hand stories that involve secretive people who don't want to be identified (yea right), but if they did and they botched developing the film and they admit that they lose face. If they found his body and camera and developed the film and it proves they summited then that means that the Chinese claim to fame of being the first people to summit via that route is lost and they lose face. There is absolutely no up side to them admitting to any of this if indeed it is true, it's lose lose for them either way so they'll never admit to anything, they'd have no interest in showing off trinkets they found because then it'd just put a spotlight on them and on top of everything else they'd have to admit that almost 50 years ago they found him and have been keeping it secret ever since. I don't think they found Irvine and his camera but if they did they'd never admit to it, there's no upside for them.

[@Mila_Brearey]

They apparently do have it, but it's not accessible for examination. They didn't want anyone but a Chinese resident to be the first to summit. The film in the camera most likely proved that Mallory summited, so they had to get a hold of it.

[@oughtssought1198]

why "most likely"?

[@rickb.4168]

The British team were the first to summit in 1953 so neither the Chinese 60’s or 70’s efforts were first summits. (Except for a new route)

[@dwtees]

Finding Sandy Irvine's boot with his foot inside makes me believe the story the Chinese threw Irvine's body off the mountain and the forces in the glacier dismembered his body. Maybe other body parts will emerge.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

I don't think it will ever be solved. But IF the Chinese did find Andy's body then they should come clean as to its whereabouts for Andy's family.

[@bacaworld7095]

Based on the ratio of most people who die on Everest are people who made it to the summit- most people who live didn’t make it to the top.. My personal opinion is they had the same fate as so many others. They made it to the top and couldn’t make it down alive. We know they were low on oxygen if not empty before summit( junk tanks anyway) .. they made it to the top and were too confused, weak and sick to make it down safely. Very sad for their kids and families. It’s a risk that shouldn’t be made by men and women who have young families. A mountain certificate can’t raise your kids.😢

[@martin-hall-northern-soul]

Hi Thom, thanks for creating all these great videos about the 24' expedition. Do you think Mallory and Irvine would want the mystery to be solved?

[@EverestMystery]

Hi Martin, you're welcome. Yes, I would imagine that M&I would, more than anything, want people to know what happened to them...even if that included them not making it to the summit. Learning the truth of their fate to me would help put them to rest (in my mind, at least). Thanks for being here!

[@martin-hall-northern-soul]

@@EverestMystery Thanks for replying Thom. I'm inclined to agree but appreciate your deeper insight. I too believe they would wish for their story to be told as it happened, even if they didn't make it all the way. It was an incredible achievement either way. Very interesting you believe both souls aren't able to rest as yet. Namaste, Martin :)

[@dunmail7744]

Why would they be discussing tent fabric and colour at 14.43? I assume there would be no tent.

[@shoottothrillphotoWI]

Ty for that, Thom. A question I have yet to see answered is: how many total bodies remain unfound on Everest? We know some bodies have moved with wind, ice, etc.- but other than Sandy Irvine- how many are totally unaccounted for?

[@EverestMystery]

Over 300 people have died up there, I believe 80-100 bodies remain (this is just a guess). Most of those bodies that remain are not visible, in places where no one will ever go or buried under ice.

[@willywokeup9112]

I dont think this answers his question, how many have gone up and disappeared ?

[@rogjackson]

How many bodies were there on Everest in 1975 in the area where M/I disappeared?

[@shoottothrillphotoWI]

@@willywokeup9112 Precisely.

[@shoottothrillphotoWI]

@@rogjackson That is definitely a good line of questioning, too.

[@langietor]

sir, do you think they brought Irvine's body back to a lower altitude or they throw the body from there? if Malory died after Irvine, why did not malory take the camera from Iravine? Or did both of them have cameras?

[@jugghead-1975]

Wow ! Unbelievably interesting... I hope you guys can nail down the str8 411 and prove those Unbelievable humans reached the top of the world in the 20s no less ! Badasses

[@EverestMystery]

Thank you, I appreciate the comment! Hopefully, we can get this mystery solved....cheers!

[@wyatt2447]

I have studied this topic since I first became interested in climbing and Everest in particular and all because of my hobby , photography . From all I have read and learned , I personally am of the opinion that they did summit and that their accident occured during their decent . The various accounts reported by the Chinese climbers of the 1970's reported finding the body "of an English in old fashioned climbing clothes " (obviously Mallory) while on a walk near their high camp . It could be possible this individual removed the camera from Mallory's body . Then again it could be Irvine has or had said camera and he fell to the opposite side of the ridge and their rope broke letting him fall to his death . His ice axe being found near the site of the fatal accident . Other questions are , did Mallory fracture his ankle in the fall or was it a misstep causing him to break it and cause the fatal fall ? My belief in their success in summiting is based on George Mallory himself . Mallory was Mallory , a driven and determined individual . He knew this was probably his last attempt at Everest due to age and family responsibilities . He would barring nature herself preventing it make the summit . By all reports the conditions were ideal . Both climbers were reported being seen below the summit pyramid and going strong for the top . The observers description of what he viewed being detailed at the time , only later in life did he question his observation due to age . And of course Sir Edmond Hillary stating that you only are successful if you return . While this makes sense in many ways , it does denigrate the work and achievements of those who came first . I think in my humble opinion , Mallory and Irvine did summit . If Irvine had the camera and it was found by the Chinese in 1975 we may never know. He or Mallory may have had it and it was lost in the fall . Who knows the truth and will we ever know? As I said , I believe they were the first to the summit . If Mallory left Ruth's picture it has long since disintegrated and blown away or is buried in the snow pac . It's like was Hillary or his Sherpa companion ,Tensing Norgay the first to step on the summit . Does it actually matter to anyone but one person's ego ?

[@jugghead-1975]

@@wyatt2447 Probably not.. thx for sharing

[@normanmallory2055]

Great history ! I’ve followed this since George Mallory’s body was discovered ! It’s worth going forward with pursuing the camera if in fact it’s real and the Chinese do have it ! The other thing is all cameras have a film counter ( tells you how many exposures were taken ) What number was the film counter on when they found it ? Would they know or remember what it was ? Did they write it down ? Is the camera in fact real ? So many questions come to my mind ! It’s a huge undertaking to go over there and ask to see the camera and photograph it! But it would be worth it I think at this point !

[@gregrobsn]

The Kodak camera would have used 620 film 2 1/4" roll 12 exposure. The counter would have been a small red window on the camera's back allowing the shooter to see a pre-printed number on the film's backing paper. I'm sure Irvine would have shot more than one roll so where are those?

[@judithsands2737]

@@gregrobsn I feel we cannot be "sure" of anything. No facts means pure speculation based on "our" preconceived notions. We cannot speak to decisions & actions of Mallory or Irvine - our personal histories are all wrong. I believe however that facts should still be pursued.

[@ttmallard]

I recall this story from years ago, an ice axe was also found, of the hole in a cheek. Great interview, cheers to both 🥂

[@EverestMystery]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching and for supporting the channel

[@nymsmacgregor7232]

At the very least, I wish we could see a photo of that camera, its condition, etc. It is actually made of aluminium, not steel, so most of it can't rust. One of my favourite cameras is a 1913 Vest Pocket Kodak made just before the autographic model. Mine has all the instructions cast around the lens. It looks and operates as if it were brand new, including the slightly battered bellows. Whether Irvine's camera had usable film or not, its condition would be quite interesting. Nyms.

[@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276]

Tent fabric? Were they carrying a full kit with them from high camp up? Expecting a bivy?

[@josm1481]

TBF 8200m is the altitude of the 1924 camp 6. But would they have yellow tents? And why didn't Odell see him, as he searched the areas twice.

[@johnrflinn]

Military remote viewers could probably solve this mystery. They were pretty accurate about spying on secret bases and files in the 80's.

[@EverestMystery]

John, I'd love to learn more about this...thank you for watching!

[@johnrflinn]

@@EverestMystery Here are some good links on Remote Viewing.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3vVgXiKmad6asU kzbin.info/www/bejne/apKTdXSjltJ2h9E&lc=UgylajvbjfvqwRDEnBd4AaABAg.9P-5yLKrUTm9Xrk8gPGr8s

[@dukecraig2402]

No, they weren't, the CIA and military intelligence put that nonsense about "remote viewer's" out to distract from the human assets they had in the area that located thing's like that kidnapped general that the Italian (I think they were called Red Brigade) terrorists had snatched up and had a list of demands that wanted in exchange for his return, they had to explain how the rescue team knew exactly where to go to get the guy so they fabricated that nonsense story about psychic spies to explain how they knew his exact location. They did the same basic thing to explain how they first knew about the presence of Russian missile's on Cuba back in 1962, they put it out that a U2 spy plane had taken pictures that photo interpreters looking through their magnifying glasses first saw them, the truth is human intelligence assets (aka spies) in Cuba were the first to alert the CIA that Russian missile's were being installed, only after learning about it did Kennedy have a U2 fly over Cuba and take pictures, that gave them the ability to hide the fact that they had human assets operating in Cuba and it gave them the photographic evidence to confront the Soviet Union with.

[@aaronnelson7702]

​Ol... Year late, but.... Watch "Men who stare at goats"

[@ss-hm6cg]

Any chance that they may have left/buried a keepsake at the summit?

[@EverestMystery]

Probably not, and if they did, it blew away in five minutes. Thank you so much for watching! Really appreciate having you here!

[@penzman]

Does camera film survive the ray bombardment at that height for that long?

[@EverestMystery]

That's an important question. If the camera was under a body, it would have been protected from such rays. Cheers and thank you

[@donadams5094]

To play along: at this point I’d be as interested in learning where they found the body as anything else. We will never know for sure if they summited (although you may count me among those who believe that they did), but solid information about where Irvine was found (if it was indeed Irvine) might shed light on the end of that day - what route they used, whether they died in the same accident, etc. Having said that, Michael Tracy made a video directly in response to the Salon article on this same topic, and it includes both a still and a frame from a video of the 1975 Chinese expedition walking past a dead body that has subsequently been identified as a Chinese climber. That body wasn’t initially acknowledged by the Chinese, but has been more recently, so it is clearly not Irvine. The 1975 Chinese also reported a 2nd dead body, which Tracy at least is confident was Mallory. I am not in position to argue the details one way or the other, but the bottom line is that it is by no means certain that the 1975 team found Irvine at all. Granted, Pan Duo originally said they found a camera, and only Irvine is certain to have had one. So if camera ever does show up, Tracy will have been shown to be wrong about either a) whether Mallory was carrying a camera, or b) who the 1975 team found. I am not convinced Pan Duo’s claim can be simply dismissed. The Chinese may not have wanted to acknowledge the loss of a climber, but just inventing a camera doesn’t make much sense. It would open them up to exactly the kind of embarrassing questions everyone agrees they don’t like being asked (where is it? What did the film show?). It makes more sense at least superficially to see Pan Duo’s original claim as true but problematic for the Chinese, and her later “forgetfulness” as a response to pressure from authorities. Those who accept the claim that a camera was found seem to believe that either there was nothing on the film, or the development was unsuccessful and the Chinese don’t want to admit it. The more mouth-watering possibility is that they *did* successfully develop the film and that it showed Mallory and Irvine on the summit . That would explain why the Chinese would not have officially shared news of the camera in 1975, and why they would have told Pan Duo to change her story later on. I’m not saying that’s what did happen, just that it accounts for a number of prominent elements of this story. It also has a nice symmetry with Odell, who claimed initially that Mallory and Irvine were near the top when he saw them and likely made it, then later retreated from those claims. Seems like the Chinese and others have had reason to push back on things that suggest Mallory and Irvine actually summited. All speculation, of course. We don’t know if they found Irvine, and we don’t know if they found a camera. We don’t know what Pan Duo saw or why she changed her story. But it is all interesting to watch and think about.

[@rogjackson]

How is it certain that Irvine had a camera on his person when he died? Conspicuously absent are questions about how the body was identified, if indeed it was. Or background. Was Pan Duo aware of the Mallory/Irvine saga? Do we know that or not? If so, was she aware of the story of the potential that SI's body had a camera on his person or in his clothes and effects? Pan Duo speaks only Chinese which means even first hand accounts from her are 1st or 2nd level hearsay due to the necessity of translation. Why is Pan Duo the only contact witness? Who precisely was the source for the claim of attempted film-development? Being Tibetan, perhaps Pan Duo was the only 1975 climber willing to speak with Westerners? I guess the story begins with Pan Duo. There were other climbers in the 1975 expedition. Are any alive or did they ever describe their experiences? What are their stories? What did they witness? Who precisely, handled the camera and what did they do with it?

[@czarcastic1458]

So you think that Mallory with Irvine, a inexperienced climber, was able to do what no one with better clothing, technology and climbing gear was able do for 30 years ? Where do you people come from?

[@josm1481]

@@czarcastic1458 only, the technology want significantly better. In 1922, Bruce a total novice, jointly held the world altitude record of 8,320m.

[@czarcastic1458]

@@josm1481 No one made it to the top for 30 years and that was the south side. The odds of them making it was ZERO

[@josm1481]

@@czarcastic1458 that's your ill informed opinion. You have many experienced climbers, including the entire 24 team, that disagree with you.

[@alexkalish8288]

No reason China would hide the body and the camera but they don't need a reason. The film if intact should be re-analyzed by someone who would know how to extract it, like Lawrence Livermore. The truth will come out one day.

[@suesmith9202]

I heard the camera is in a Chinese museum.

[@Dodgers-sw2uk]

Didn’t Tracy do a video that proves the body they saw was a Chinese climber? There is even a photo of them passing the body

[@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276]

That photo he used was pretty low res. I think there is still more info needed to determine what’s going on. Seems like some of the elevations given for landmarks from old expedition reports could be inaccurate and based on fuzzy memories, but the same could be said from interviews with people that are 30-40 years out from their Everest climb.

[@geofff6671]

@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 Agree it was low rez but still enough resolution to show clearly it wasn’t SI. Clothing was in good condition, pack frame similar to the guy leading the charge up the mountain.

[@kc72186]

@@geofff6671 yep, clothing looked newer than 1924...

[@KDSima]

That photo was not proven to b the one that the Chinese claimed to b SI. 🤷‍♀️, right? I don’t think the Chinese found a body.

[@maxh.5858]

Where can i find this, very interesting!

[@EverestMystery]

Hi Max, what can I help you find?

[@maxh.5858]

My apologies, this should have been attached to the short where you talk about the moment Mallory was discovered during the 1999 search and a interview about it. I was about to ask where I can find this, or is it this video ?

[@j_vasey]

Would it be so bad not solved? If nothing else knowing if they did find the body and then buried or moved it, it would be nice to stop people taking extra risk looking for it. Thank you for another excellent video on the topic. Also for a purely selfish note, not knowing is knowing at me, it’s just a crying shame that a ‘pat on the back’ doesn’t carry more weight.

[@EverestMystery]

John, thank you....I personally find solace in the idea that it likely will be a mystery forever. And, no, it wouldn't be so bad if it were never solved. Cheers

[@danielwhite3162]

Thom, does anyone think that Sandy may have been buried in the same cave as Green Boots. So many snippets of these investigations, including statements from the early chinese expeditions, make this an option and the best photo I have seen of Green Boots shows the rock at the back of the cave looking loose and not the actual cave wall. It would also tie in with a number of the stories of the height and the proximity to the bottle and ice axe. It is also above the fall zone of Mallory. Just trying an Occam's Razor solution.

[@EverestMystery]

Daniel, thank you, I like the line of thinking. Green Boots perished on the south side of the mountain and therefore their routes would not have crossed paths. However, my old mentor Bradford Washburn used to believe that Sandy may have continued on down the northeast ridge, and could be located in an area where some rocks are. I do believe more searching is in order. Thank you for watching!

[@danielwhite3162]

@@EverestMystery Just an old keyboard observer but when I looked for Green Boots the wikipedia article had him resting at a point below the first step on the north east ridge, is that wrong? I had believed that the steps were on the Chinese side on the North East ridge and not the south col route. For me it gets confusing as the Dave Sharpe story has him climbing the Chinese route and dying in green boots cave. But you hear of Green Boots like he is a south col route landmark, so you can understand the confusion. Thanks for responding.

[@ihcman9130]

Green boots cave is on the north side..

[@johnwhite8777]

Green boots was on the west.southern side no to far from chris fisher. Ibelieve but dont quote me..and mallory and sandy were on the northern face ridge i believe closer to the yellow band.

[@rogjackson]

How did the Chinese know with absolute certainty that the body they found was SI? Did they find personal effects not described in this video? Or otherwise had some method of knowing it was SI? I don't think a camera alone would do it without some type of identifying feature, correct? How do we know it wasn't Mallory's body they found? This was 1975, 24 years before Anker's discovery. Insteresting video and Mr. Wilcox seems credible in what he describes, but once again, woefully lacking in evidentiary value. Third, fourth, maybe fifth-hand hearsay about something that may or may not have happened 47 years ago without some way of authenticating that it is true. By use of the term "hearsay" I do not mean to suggest any particular statement is untrue. But hearsay is by definition unreliable, and the more removed from the original statement, generally the more unreliable it is. I also do not imply any derogatory intent by anyone. It's just a matter of the reliability of information. If there were personal effects found on/with the body indicating unequivocally it was SI, that would go a long way to put the search for SI to rest. But we didn't get that or even hear about that. Whether M/I summited would be another issue and I agree that mystery- whether M/I summited, flourishes in absense of complete knowledge, a bit of delightful psychological irony that will, apparently, continue. Good video, nonetheless. Information is power; even negative information.

[@josm1481]

As I've commented elsewhere. Duo only said it was about 8200m, it was a foreigner and they had a yellow tent. 1. 8200m is about the 1924 camp 6 altitude. Which is the only positive. 2. Did the 24 expedition have yellow tents? I can't find any colour pics you tell. Only black and white. 3. I think Odell said he went two days running to check in camp 6, in case they got back. He even searched around. He only said the camp was messy. Didn't mention a missing tent etc.

[@VincentComet-l8e]

@@josm1481 I read an old newspaper article online about (I think) someone on the 1933 expedition locating one of the high camp tents from 1924 still on it's old site. They spotted 'green canvas' - not a common colour up there. But it was referred to as 'unusable', i.e. damaged or torn-up by the weather. So the tents used then seem to have been green (a pretty universal colour I believe) but nothing was said about it being faded or discoloured.

[@josm1481]

@@VincentComet-l8e thanks for that info. My gut feeling would be canvas tents then came in green and that was it. But that's just based on seeing a lot of old army tents, using old canvas tentsv etc when I was younger. Thanks for confirming! So, that info totally discredits the Chinese claim.

[@EverestMystery]

Excellent comment. There are many questions that I can't answer. My first line of intent on this interview was to bring a face to the story that Mark first heard. Mr. Wilcox shared the transcript of the interview with me (done by the Economist writer with Pan Duo) and it doesn't offer too many details other than to point out that her story in the interview was a 180-degree turn from what she told the high ranking British diplomat in 2008. That's the essence of it: something changed from when she first told the unnamed diplomat to the time when the Economist writer spoke to her. You haven't missed that point and I thank you for the cogent and detailed comment. There are things better left unsaid about the workings of governments, especially on a platform such as this. Many thanks for your thoughts.

[@josm1481]

@@EverestMystery the big problem with her earlier interview is there is a distinct lack of evidence for it. The claim that a memo was raised but lost simply adds to cynicism. It does look a ruse to distract from the fact a Chinese climber died on the 75 expedition, as they only admitted that much later. I'd like to see a bit more evidence before taking it seriously.

[@celiawallis1454]

Do the majority of climbers die on descent or ascent?

[@oahuhawaii2141]

Descent.

[@oughtssought1198]

I expect I'm being too literal here, but fwiw, that would be a majority of those who die just becuz you got me wondering if a majority reach the summit +, if so, what year that began to be true

[@garysmith5641]

It makes sense Irvine was found and not Mallory, remember in 1999 we were expecting it to be Andrew Irvine , And Mallory had not moved in 70 years imhi , but a British diplomat that never reported this to missing persons or the British Embassy , thats the most diplomatic diplomat in history

[@josm1481]

Yes, the whole story is a bit poor. A diplomat that can't be named, a story that's changed over years, communicative and evidence supposedly gone missing. Pretty much zero tangible evidence and hearsay.

[@josm1481]

Sorry, just one point. In 1999 they were searching in an area one of the earlier Chinese expeditions said they had seen a light haired British man. Which everybody assumed was Irvine. They could have just mistaken Mallory

[@garysmith5641]

@@josm1481 i dont think anyone ever found Mallory im no expert on sediments , or wind power or lying snow from 1924 or biology but Mallory looked like he had laid there for 70 years with very little wind or weathering telling me he was under snow most of that time

[@garysmith5641]

@@BillSikes. ehh !

[@8barbies779]

@@garysmith5641 I agree that nobody found Mallory before 1999. If they had, there's no way that watch & letters etc. would still be on him. that stuff woulda been looted so fast! agree 100 Gary.:) -barbie

[@Diesel0807]

We will never know... i remember finding conrad ankers summation of their ascent laughable, they probably did summit

[@namelastname2449]

Thom, what led you to investigate this?

[@EverestMystery]

I was hired as high altitude. cameraman to film the Mallory & Irvine Research Expedition that discovered the body of Mallory. Ever since I'be been fascinated when individuals come to conclusions as to their fate without anything but conjecture to back it up. With interviews like this I'm endeavoring to shine some light on more angles to the story. Cheers my friend thank you

[@allisonspringer8889]

I believe Mallory and Irvine were first.

[@EverestMystery]

You might be right! Thank you for watching !

[@DanielEberhardt-g7k]

I could listen to these two men all day! 👍😊

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

So you believe them?

[@DanielEberhardt-g7k]

@jono1457-qd9ft That's not the point. Let's say, it's kind of listening to a grandfather's mysterious story...😉

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

@@DanielEberhardt-g7k Talkin bout back in the day?🥱

[@DanielEberhardt-g7k]

@jono1457-qd9ft Yes! Love it!!

[@davida.4933]

Irvine being found in tent doesn't make any sense. That begs the question, was it really Irvine? If the camera is located in a museum, is it the model M & I had...

[@josm1481]

As I've commented elsewhere. Duo only said it was about 8200m, it was a foreigner and they had a yellow tent. 1. 8200m is about the 1924 camp 6 altitude. Which is the only positive. 2. Did the 24 expedition have yellow tents? I can't find any colour pics you tell. Only black and white. 3. I think Odell said he went two days running to check in camp 6, in case they got back. He even searched around. He only said the camp was messy. Didn't mention a missing tent etc.

[@angela2726]

My sister went on one of the first tourists' visit to China in 1980 if I remember right and she was amazed that she knew more about Chinese history than the Chinese themselves. (And she didn't know much). The régime was very restrictive and discovering old western mountaineers was prehaps not their priority. They were rather wary of anything western. I can quite imagine they would throw the dead body over the cliff and retain the camera as a curiosity. They had probably never heard of Iving and Mallory

[@andruelohim3100]

I don't understand how in a community as small as the Everesteers that this story is only comming out now. You would have thought the rumours would have been rife.

[@normanmallory2055]

I’m sure at this point you are aware of a boot with sock and foot inside was found on Everest by Jimmy Chin on a expedition on the mountain ! Sewn into the sock was A. Irvine tag which was a common practice !

[@EverestMystery]

Hello and thank you! I’ve released three videos since and hope you’ll watch them. Here’s one of the three: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2Gqon6tnLGte9ksi=9nilKQxi5cWyhU_D

[@EverestMystery]

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[@nellyx1x493]

This is a compelling and intriguing addition to the mystery, but to verify the truth behind what it is that Pan Duo saw it would be necessary to have further descriptions of exactly what was seen. It appears that this discussion took place if they went into details as mentioned of the nature of tent fabric, it would be vital for those descriptions to be known. It raises many other questions. What did any clothing appear like? Why would Irvine be in or near a yellow tent? Were yellow tents known to be used on the 1924 expedition? (fairly sure they were not..edited; or maybe- see below), could the known tents used fade to yellow with UV? Why would Irvine be carrying a tent on a summit bid (he almost certainly wasn't), could he have returned to camp 6 then gone looking for the previously fallen Mallory with a spare tent from camp 6 (highly unlikely)? But more pertinently - what colour tent was Maurice Wilson known to be wrapped and buried in? Until we have more detail, if that is ever possible, there is still a high probability that this is a conflation of sightings that are already known...and not one of S.I.

[@josm1481]

As you note, some simple questions about the specifics would go a long way to count or discount this story.

[@EverestMystery]

Many great questions. I feel as though with the usual translation issues, it's possible instead of saying tent she was saying sleeping bag. It's believed that M&I had sleeping bags with them on their climb...but, but, so many questions. If only the interviewer was a climber with a thorough knowledge of the events of M&I's disappearance, like Jochen Hemmleb, who interviewed many from the Chinese 1960 and 1975 expeditions. Thanks for your analysis and insight!

[@nellyx1x493]

@@EverestMystery Yes, this was my initial assumption, that we are talking about a sleeping bag. There being a tent doesn't seem to make sense, and am aware of the theories suggested that M&I had carried spare sleeping bags up to camp 6 (Philip Summers research?) but not aware of any debate whether this is verifiably legitimate or not. I wonder if anyone knows what colour the sleeping bags they used in 1924 were, it may have been an incidental detail known in the past which could now be more significant - maybe this could be worked out from modern colourisation techniques on old photos. There is one sentence from Pan Duo's text that is really bugging me, it's where she says "he had a yellow 'zhangfeng' with nothing else inside. The things had probably already been carried away". This stands out as a very specific thing to say as it describes a physical action of peering inside a volume, she must have been able to look into something as otherwise it wouldn't have been possible to ascertain whether there was anything else inside. If this action hadn't occurred then there is no reason for this specific detail to be mentioned amongst the limited words we actually have, if she didn't know one way or the other then why mention it?. It may sound odd, but it's the specificity of that which is intriguing, and it seems hard to link that description with what we know of the other bodies on the mountain. It may all be exhausted hypoxic memory addled conflation/ confusion between disparate things that were seen in different locations, or it may not...it still seems anything is possible until further detail can pin it down.

[@nellyx1x493]

@@EverestMystery An additional observation of interest: While most of the photographs in early Everest literature on my shelves are in black and white, In Salkeld & Breashears "The Last Climb" p.46-47 (hardback ed.) there is a double page spread of what appears to be an example of early colour plate film (must be a specialist subject to determine what type as this would be around the time that different colour processes were being invented, it may be an 'Autochrome', it looks too intricate to be hand coloured but that's also possible) - the image is attributed to the John Noel photographic collection (unclear which year). The colourisation appears true to nature and the scene depicts three tents in a Tibetan forrest on the trek-in to Everest, all three tents are depicted as... yellow...Though it should be noted that if these are 'autochrome' plates, that exposures were made through yellow filters to offset the blue sensitivity of the emulsion. Another Noel colour image that appears in this book is labelled as 'hand tinted'. If anyone has a copy of 'Everest Pioneer, the photographs of Captain John Noel' then maybe it contains more info on the precise photographic stills techniques used. Maybe all this is well known, or maybe not, interesting though.

[@kbentbeu]

As to the color of the tents, this is a quote from the 1922 (! not 1924) expedition report "The assault on Everest", by C.G. Bruce (the expedition leader). The quote itself is from Part II, "The First Attempt", written by Mallory. He is describing their gear before taking off: "... and the gay little tents with crimson flies or yellow, pitched there only to be seen and admired,..." (Source: The Assault on Everest, C.G. Bruce and other members of the expedition, New York, Longmns, Green & Co., London, Edward Arnold & Co, 1923, p.124). I have yet to read the 1924 report by Norton, as I only just received my copy. The color by no means answers the question why Irvine would have a tent on him of course or the many other questions this story leaves unanswered. Edit: reading further in the 1922 (!) report, Mallory states the tents in the high camp are actually green. Mallory describes the tents at their Camp IV (see p 175): "The five light tents were gradually pitched, two of them destined for the climbers a few yards apart towards the North Peak, the remaining three to accommodate each three porters in the same alignment; in all, a neat little row showing green against the white."

[@mssabin49]

Question: where's your primary evidence that Mallory had a Kodak Vest Pocket Camera? Primary is the key word there, evidence not based on rumor or some author's speculation. -

[@EverestMystery]

Here's a nice interview with Jochen Hemmleb about the cameras: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJeld4evec-Cl6s

[@jenny162able]

Although the evidence of the film would prove they submitted Everest the fact Ruth's photo was missing from Mallorys wallet proves it to me they summited

[@thegreatexaggerator9077]

Fascinating!

[@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276]

The plot continues to thicken.

[@EverestMystery]

(rubbing palms of hands together quickly!)

[@scottsmith4145]

Theres also the possibility that the film was developed and there was photos recovered but that they are going to release the results to the world in 2024.

[@EverestMystery]

That would be pretty awesome!

[@leduch]

did anyone found a snowboard on everest ? siffredi njoylife

[@EverestMystery]

He was attempting to snowboard down the Hornbein Couloir, which would mean that when he fell he would go many thousands of feet down the north face to an area where I don't believe any human being would dare to go, unless specifically looking for him. Very sad story, indeed.

[@leduch]

@@EverestMystery yes, merci , because i hear, a russian expe found a snowboard ! have you heard of this ?

[@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95]

If this even happened (obviously china wants to be the first to have summited), how do we know if its irvine and not the chinese that died in 1960 for example?

[@akschmidt2085]

So the story of the camera is unconfirmed yet again, why would the Chinese admit taking the camera and bungling the development of the pictures? Just say no camera was found, there was ample time to "convince" the climbers of the official position, job done. And wasn't there a mention of a tent? Irvine would not have been in one surely.

[@annwagner1339]

Of course Mallory has been found......long time ago....no camera

[@EverestMystery]

Yes ~ we looked, but found no camera. This story covers the Chinese having found Irvine and the camera.

[@winkieblink7625]

Is this the camera that China has? Unfortunately.

[@EverestMystery]

Yes, that is the one that some believe is in China. Thank you for watching!

[@notebeat]

This is what I would call Mallory's second Everest to climb. Trying to summit the truth.

[@EverestMystery]

For those who refuse to accept logic, okay, cool.

[@notebeat]

@@EverestMystery Not sure what you took from that comment or what's illogical about it but okay, cool

[@Alphaskeptic]

If the Chinese say they "ruined" the film, I would suspect that they developed the film and destroyed or concealed it because it revealed a successful British summit.

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

If you believe this story 🤔

[@kylewood8327]

How about asking where the body’s located, that’d be a good start? Until then anything the Chinese claim, none of this mean shit!

[@Rob-metoo527]

I don't believe they found a body or a camera..

[@EverestMystery]

You could be right. Given the many stories we’ve heard I’d say it’s almost a lock that Irvine has been encountered on several occasions. We have to keep digging for verifiable proof. Thanks for checking in!

[@mchandrashekhar4043]

What is the name of Mark's book ?

[@EverestMystery]

The Third Pole: Mystery, Obsession, and Death on Mount Everest

[@kentonbibby]

Was where Mallory found a long way off where mountaineers usually climb. If by 1999, let's say 2000 had ascended why did no-one come across either of them (if Irvine is still up there post 1975.) Another question, why when you see Mallory's head in situ is it covered in shale or rocks. I don't know how it got like that, unless snow melted and the rocks sort of slid down on to his head....it doesn't make sense, or I can't make sense of it one of the two.

[@EverestMystery]

Imagine the climbing route as a long arching line that goes almost directly upward, then swings right as it nears the ridge of Everest, at which time it continues in a straight line toward the summit. The area underneath that route, the line we just drew visually, as it continues along the upper reaches of the mountain, is a vast catch basin for rocks, snow, debris and...bodies. In 1999 we encountered many more bodies than just that of GLM in that area. No one in their right mind goes there,. It's dangerous and completely out of the way. On the second question, I believe you're asking why he was covered with rocks? Over the years countless tiny pebbles accumulated above his shoulders and arms, nearly covering his head completely. Probably much of the year it's under snow, as well.

[@josm1481]

@@EverestMystery Thom, I appreciate over 70yrs quite a bit of pebbles etc can accumulate on the body. But, was there any sign of him being deliberately covered? Or were the stones only at the upper parts/edge of his body?

[@kentonbibby]

@@EverestMystery Thanks for that, I always wondered why GLM had not been discovered in all the years with all those climbers on the mountain.

[@CharlesHarpolek4vud]

The situation in China as it's described by American media releases seems to be fairly complicated and would make this story about finding a camera very complicated. It's a fairly well known public story that the Eastman laboratory in Kodak city is the best place to take delicate old film and try to get it to print it out. apparently the chinese did not use that resource but it would have been a good one.

[@EverestMystery]

I have a video that discusses how the film would be developed if found. You might enjoy it. Everest MYSTERY: Can George Mallory's LOST Camera's Film Be Developed?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZK4gKaaoa15rq8

[@Funntimer]

I believe Irvine and Mallory did summit and on the way down they died. If they didn’t then Chinese who found Irvine had no reason to keep the camera and tossing the Irvine body. The Irvine’s body would have been found long time ago. Chinese found the camera and Irvine and developed the film and saw them summit. Of course they don’t want people to know they weren’t the first ones who summit so they took the camera and tossed Irvines body. And most likely took Mallory’s wife picture from the summit spot where Mallory put it.

[@annnee6818]

Maybe this question is really obtuse but... why would Irvines body be wrapped in a tent? Who would have wrapped him? And why? You need you tent to survive, who would risk their life and sacrifice their tent to give a dead body slightly incremental dignity?

[@EverestMystery]

The word 'tent' was likely a mis-translation for the word 'sleeping bag'. This interview and video will extrapolate. I hope you enjoy it, my friend!

[@TommyKing-m3f]

No doubt in my mind that Mallory and Irvine made it to the top and fell on their way back down around sundown. Tragic that they don’t get the credit.

[@lifesahobby]

Just about to upload a video about this camera

[@EverestMystery]

Bring it! Put the link here (?), would love to see it

[@amerie1987]

Most likely, found the camera, tried to develop the film and messed it up.

[@EverestMystery]

This is absolutely a possibility. Thank you for watching!

[@bolshoefeodor6536]

I hate to be negative and dismissive, but when I hear "private security consultancy" Thom, all that comes to mind for me are "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction", "Libya is just a no-fly zone", "Syria is using chemical weapons", "Iraqi soldiers were murdering babies in incubators all over Kuwait", "Trump Russia Russia Russia", "Hunter's laptop is a fugesi" and "Russia is mass-raping their way across Ukraine", "the Ghost of Kiev"... and on and on and on. For those of us who aren't American, and for those Americans who read the histories of their intel organisations, we assign virtually zero weight to any testimony from former US or even Western in general, intel agency members. Interesting and fun - a bit of light entertainment, but you have to follow the money trail. I know it sounds harsh, but we've been had too many times to believe anything other than Western intel ops are riddled through with grifters, scam artists, and corporate ladder climbers. When it comes to US intel, I just can't anymore, sorry. This is most definitely not your grandad's OSS Group anymore.

[@EverestMystery]

Cool. Thank you for watching.

[@lifesahobby]

lol fair play , nail on the head

[@Za7a7aZ]

Is it not rule in the mountaineering sport that a successful summit requires descending alive is a must…or else it doesn’t count?

[@BillSikes.]

Personally I don't believe any of this, Irvine is still up there I reckon, whether he has a camera on him or not, I really don't know, But I certainly don't think the Chinese expedition found a body yet alone a camera

[@tcm81]

I know Mallory and Irvine got to the top because I saw it. In 1915 I opened a Salon near the summit called "Because it's hair". Mallory and Irvine were my only customers. Unfortunately, against my advice, Irvine insisted on a close crop which made him more susceptible to hypothermia on the way down.

[@alexk2652]

This makes sense. 👌

[@josm1481]

But Irvine was in desperate need of a trim.

[@oughtssought1198]

@@alexk2652 as a made-for-TV documentary Turner Classic Movies shows after their 3Stooges marathons

[@fastinradfordable]

How is taking evidence off a dead body not a crime?

[@clarkemcclymont2879]

@@fastinradfordable well they’re communist Chinese… I’m not sure they’re interested in western affairs.

[@RossHunt-x5g]

This is just sp fascinating. I really like to believe that those young men summited

[@acewing24]

Please .... everyone take note.... At 5:00 ish he states " the First Chinese expidtion in 75' " Please tell me why he says "First" !? Its because we have no eveidence of the first being in 1960. Now here... with no evidence for Mallory and Irvine that states they made it, you want me to belive that they did ? Sensationlism.

[@scottsmith4145]

If youve seen Michael Tracy's channel and latest video claiming to debunk this whole story,, him and some of his viewers think the body was that of a chinese climber from the same 1975 expedition Wu Zhong Yue who's death wasnt officially reported until years later by chinese officials. But it makes no sense that Pan Duo would talk about discovering a body from their own expedition as Mark briefly pointed out. Michael Tracy, who comes across as a very meticulous and logical person from watching his research into the who malory everest mystery, seems very illogical in this assumption. He's kinda shooting down Pan Duos entire testimony and credibility. Again,,, why would Pan Duo be talking about finding a body from their own expedition? She would would have just said it was Wu Zhong Yue rather than "a body". No,,, imo they had to have found another body which suggests that of Irvine. Whether Pan Duo ever said anything about a camera is unclear because the diplomat just said he heard it in the meeting at the embassy but not exactly from Pan Duo herself. But if there was a camera recovered she would have known but may have been told not to reveal it by chinese officials. Its highly likely the camera claim is true. The diplomat likely didnt even know anything about Irvine even having a camera,, so I cant see him fabricating that. The Royal Geologic Society knows a bit though since a rep was there in that embassy meeting. Maybe its all being kept secret until 2024?

[@redlaw8760]

Exactly, You’ll find that Mr. Tracy is very selective in the context in which he presents information. By the way, nothing on that video debunks anything. The picture is an absolute non sequitur, which is a preferred tactic of Tracy.

[@EverestMystery]

I appreciate your insightful comment, thank you. Without going into too much detail, I've watched one video on that channel you mentioned, and it was the one called Debunked. I found it very humorous, primarily because it debunked nothing but its own claims, delegitimizing the integrity of the effort. Your comments are spot on. Cheers and thank you

[@aeromodeller1]

Tent fabric? Did they have a tent with them? Was this Irvine or was this Wilson? Or somebody else? It is entirely plausible to me that they found a camera belonging to M&I, properly developed the film and there were no images on it. Developing B&W film is not at all difficult; just follow the standard Kodak instructions. M&I were last seen enveloped in cloud. I have been enveloped in cloud, couldn't see my hand at the end of my extended arm. It would not be possible to make pictures in those conditions. It would be worthwhile to talk to the people who handled the camera and film. What frame number was visible in the red window on the back of the camera? The roll film would be loaded into the camera and the winding key turned until the number 1 printed on the back of the backing paper appeared in the red window. When that frame was exposed, the key would be turned until the number 2 appeared in the red window. There would have been 8 exposures on the roll. If the number 1 was showing, that would mean no exposures were made. As soon as the first exposure was made, the film would have been wound to 2, otherwise a double exposure would be made, ruining both pictures. If the film was properly developed, it may have been blank, but there would still be factory applied edge markings. There would be the KODAK logo printed along one edge and the frame number printed along the other edge. One thing that may have happened is that the Red Guard might have destroyed everything as part of the Great Cultural Revolution. Much of Chinese historical and cultural value was destroyed by the Red Guard. Irvine would have been regarded as a foreign imperialist. Can the member of the Royal Geographical Society be identified? Can you find the memo? These are leads to important answers.

[@beverlyhills7883]

Sorry to come in the way of a good story but the camera would have tumbled down a considerable distance. And a broken camera means light would have corrupted the film. We can't blame China for that.

[@f9qo]

Likely that the Chinese government doesn't want to "lose face" by coming clean on the discovery of the camera and what it may have revealed, but what about the Chinese climbers on the expedition if they indeed discovered the remains of the Englishman and what may have been in his possession? Presumably those Chinese as experienced and skilled climbers themselves and being knowledgeable of the hardships encountered when attempting to summit Everest, especially in 1924 with the type of gear that was available in that era, would they be so insular as to conceal the fact of one of the most profound achievements in mountaineering history? Yet, I suppose that facing a potential visit from the Chinese Ministry of State Security, might be sufficient persuasion to make them want to keep their mouths shut.

[@corysm30]

Not believing the Chinese would destroy film and hide the fact they found his body is naive.

[@yorkiesweetpea23]

Spit it out, Wayne! Talk a bit faster! Goodness 😂

[@toebeans6568]

Yes his speech pattern was surprising for someone who was a government employee in foreign countries and then contracted on his own.

[@danclark9522]

No , the Chinese tibetan mountaineering assoc won't permit a full scale search.

[@sjb3460]

You can count on the CCP to do one thing and one thing only: EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE TO GLORIFY THE CCP!!!!! If the CCP felt that any smidgen of glory would result in announcing they had the camera, the body, some clothing, a fingernail of Irving, they would not hesitate to make such an announcement. If they did have a fingernail of Irving or a cracked lens from a camera that they found 50 years ago, they would never admit to having such an artifact because of the shame and disgrace they would have to endure.

[@Bob31415]

7:04 - What did you have for lunch?

[@EverestMystery]

I really should have asked him....