UNSEIZING A HIT AND MISS ENGINE (part 1)

We try to remove the piston on a seized Antique Hit and Miss Headless Witte Engine
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[@aleblanc3547]

I sure love it when guys are smarter than their tools. Thanks Roadking.

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Bud!!☺

[@gooseknack]

Great find! She'll move, ventually! Mikes idea is pretty sound. Either that, or 2 to 4 weeks of wd40 twice a day.. or both! Had a small 2 stroke, a 125cc, with the same problem some 20 years back.. Had surface rust all the way down the bore.. didn't think the piston would ever move. It did, with the help of a block of wood and some gentle persuasion with a hammer... :-P

[@gooseknack]

*eventually.. I never make spelling mistakes, nor leave letter out.. never!. :-P

[@WillsGarage91]

Mike is the small engine master! You guys will get it going I know!

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

You guys will get it , Mike know's his engine stuff .. Thumbs up King !

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Bud!!☺

[@Mopardude]

Always something interesting you guys got going on!

[@BP-li9tv]

Thanks for the video RK, can't wait for the follow ups! Cheers

[@TagsGarageAZ]

Crankshaft seems to be worth fixing if you have already been searching for 2 years. I just had a crank shaft from my McCormick welded. It was cracked in the same spot and the machine shop charged me 120 to weld, machine, and heat straighten

[@JPanyon]

I think it would be a lot easier to fit up a plate with a grease nipple, then pump it with a grease gun and turning that cylinder into a high pressure hydraulic ram. If this fails, you still have the option of switching to high pressure air which is harder to control safely.

[@mirodeogrl]

This is going to to be interesting to watch Buddy.

[@805ROADKING]

It should be Buddy!!☺

[@not2fast4u2c]

This is gonna be interesting to see what it takes to get it out ....I would put a come-a-long or something on the rod to pull on it and keep pressure on it as it is soaking

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah this is gonna be a tough one Buddy!!☺

[@chuckhaynes6458]

Just saw the M series Studebaker truck.....love it.

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

Should be another fun project. You guys are like me with lots of irons in the fire.

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah Buddy!! Ya get bored of one, just move on to another!!☺

[@cougar1972xr7]

I have used a grease gun to unstick a lot of engines works like a charm most of the time fun fun

[@daheick]

Just put the head back on, Make sure the valves are closed and that they seal. Then hook a hydraulic line to a tractor or wood splitter into the spark plug hole.

[@krazziee2000]

cool video, thanks

[@SlickTrickRC]

ill never forget that engine. a doosey. 👍

[@seriesioo374]

cant wait for the next vid thanks guys

[@coolrides]

Very appropriate for Halloween....working on a headless engine! :D Jack

[@or-what]

Jack R haha lol

[@805ROADKING]

Lol!! We couldn't have planned that better!!☺

[@eldonbooth5626]

Fit up a plate with a grease nipple works every time and much safer than air

[@ziggassedup]

Interesting predicament RK..I was thinking a shit load of boiling water in the water hopper and some dry ice in the piston...Interesting to see what you guys come up with.

[@805ROADKING]

Interesting Zig!! Never thought about Dry Ice in the piston!!☺

[@chuckhaynes6458]

J-12Y Champion. 283-327 Chevy.

[@regsparkes6507]

A bit of a job ahead of you, but I have faith in your ability to overcome this. It'll be good to see the 'part 2' of this.

[@805ROADKING]

This is gonna be a tough one Bud!!☺

[@waynecreech]

I've had some success with vinegar soaking to break down rust and crud in stuck engines... May be worth a shot..

[@805ROADKING]

It's tough to get anything to soak the way this engine is set up, it's pretty unique!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺

[@allenmckinney9533]

I'd spray a can of pb blaster in it, put a wood board on the side of the cylinder and hit the board with a air hammer using a blunt chisel. the shock should break it loose.

[@RamblinAround]

Good stuff guys...I know you'll get it fixed up.

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Bud!! I think this is gonna be a tough one!!☺

[@raymondjludka7001]

She's an oldie,,, Lets hope you can get it freed up!

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Ray!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Something to keep in mind. That piston didn't get stuck overnight. It's going to take a bit to get it moving again.

[@jeep2003]

big ol piston on that thing! Sounds like a good plan but i think i woulda left the crank and flywheels on would be easier to work it back and forth. Im sure youll get it. I was thinking you guys should build an open crank briggs I saw one at a show it was really cool I can send some pics if you want. Id build one myself but Iron briggs dont come my way too often

[@805ROADKING]

I sent you a PM Bud!! The Flywheels were in the way, they're easy enough to put back on once we break it loose!!☺

[@bexpot7792]

jeep2003 Stuart steam engine

[@BAGOTCORNER]

I was thinkin ,,, how about JB weld on that crank ? Or duct tape ,,, the good stuff ! 😊

[@davidschaadt3460]

Patience is a virtue with frozen stuff .try warm to hotter water some people put charcoal in the water hopper and lit it .

[@davidschaadt3460]

I would soak with liquid wrench or automatic tranny fluid .

[@davebilldavebill961]

I love your videos

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks alot Bud!!☺

[@ParadoxdesignsOrg]

That spark plugs still perfectly good! save it! :D

[@805ROADKING]

We'll send it to ya Bud!!☺

[@Lowry7724]

100psi will yield approximately 11,300 pounds of force. Definitely use oil not compressed air. Oil will be much safer.

[@yourbeekeeper]

This will be interesting!!!!!!

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah this is gonna be a tough one Buddy!!☺

[@CraigArndt]

Yeah buddy, you're gonna think of a way to get that piston out!🤓👍👍

[@805ROADKING]

It's gonna be tough but we'll figure it out!!☺

[@superiormusic]

A piston of diameter 6 inches under 150 psi of pressure is equal to a force of 1.88 metric tons.

[@Not_Loading]

wow a powerful 6 horsepower

[@huck01955]

Im sure you will get it and save anther cool pice of history

[@805ROADKING]

We're gonna do our best Mate!!☺

[@jbmbanter]

In your efforts to get the piston to move, could you put the cap back on the rod and take a piece of oak, place it in the rod hole and try a little twisting too? It's easy to sit here and quarterback on my keyboard. :) It was just a thought.

[@805ROADKING]

Nah that would just twist the Rod but thanks for trying to help Bud!!☺

[@skulledmonte84]

cool i'll be watching this one :)

[@JoshKilen]

nice job

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Bud!!☺

[@watermanone7567]

Hi: Great Video's, A good machinist like Keith Fenner, or Adam Booth (both on YOU Tube)can deep grove out and Heli Arc the crack and also cut out the rusted on the shaft on a lathe and spray weld the surfaces like new. Please don't give up on that engine. Thanks

[@805ROADKING]

We already looked into that, it's just not cost effective to fix that crank or build a new one!!☺

[@marshallman1au]

:(

[@KowboyUSA]

She's a beauty.

[@kurtjakins6396]

thanks for another awesome video :)

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks for watching Bud!!☺

[@MelMelx365]

Just finished watching part 5.

[@805ROADKING]

Thanks Mel!! Hope you enjoyed it Bud!!☺

[@victorbitter583]

Chuck a stick of jelly in there lol. Nice motor. Wurth Rostoff ICE+ will free it up. Got a 3/4" drive rattle gun?cheers.

[@KennethScharf]

why not rig up a hoist or a jack to pull on the connecting rod to yank the piston out?

[@rickster4455]

pi times radius squared = area of a circle

[@TonyFleetwood]

flood the combustion chamber with rustmort?

[@alexpowers3697]

Could you just use the plug on the end and seal the side for intro of hydraulic pressure? Cool project.

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah that would have been the ideal situation but the plug was rusted worse than the piston!!☺

[@Jim-ie6uf]

I think I was the first to watch. this will be interesting

[@Hockey47Mitsch]

Nice! Should run pretty good when it's done

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah the rest of it seems to be in good shape!!☺

[@leadpelletinass]

I was thinking about this a bit. How expensive could it be to have a sand cast made of the cracked crankshaft, Make the bearing surfaces a bit larger for machining later and melt the old crank to pour a new one? I'm not familiar with foundries and pouring but you would essentially be recycling the crank material to make a new one thus getting the engine working again. Might be something for you guys to look into.

[@805ROADKING]

We looked into it long ago, it would cost about 3 grand!!☺

[@leadpelletinass]

:( YIKES! Too much. Thank You for the reply.

[@creamofcardstv]

I'm sure you'll tame it in no time at all :)

[@805ROADKING]

I don't know Mate!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺

[@christophergrimes12]

To unseize that engine you put boiling hot oil into the cylinder and that should unseize it

[@363bigbri]

can you take the plug out and use air to push the piston out

[@forneyantiquepower4688]

It would be better to use oil and a grease gun like mentioned in the video. Since air compresses, you need a lot more volume to make the same pressure. It is also safer to use a liquid, the same way boilers are hydro tested. Since the liquid (oil) doesn't compress, it takes less volume to make the pressure. And for safety reasons, if there happens to be a weak spot in the cast that breaks under pressure, the oil and grease will cause damage more like a freeze crack to an engine block instead of an explosion of compressed gas like a steam boiler exploding.

[@TheFurriestOne]

Well, if Mike's worried about bursting the cylinder, why not hydro-lock the water jacket too? I'm sure you'll get it somehow! Is honing those headless ones a bit tricky too?

[@805ROADKING]

Nah, Honing is no problem once ya get the piston out!!☺

[@TheFurriestOne]

805ROADKING Good to hear!

[@Paulman50]

fill the cylinder with oil and presurise it with a grease gun

[@BangAsoursRex]

just wire wheel that spark plug and throw it in a Briggs lol jk

[@melchristian8876]

👍👍👍👍

[@41Zman]

bbq time

[@ShawnCFarm]

Must be stuck bad

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah Buddy!!☺

[@christophergoodman8720]

Aluma Brite will unseize a engine in minutes .

[@stevengrotte2987]

You might want to take a look at "Old Time Steam Powered Machine Shop" on the internet he could probably make you a new crankshaft for your older engine, hope I any exactly right on the name, may be off a little.

[@stevengrotte2987]

I checked, the right name is "Old Steam Powered Machine Shop" I believe he can make anything.

[@805ROADKING]

Getting a new crank made is no problem, any machine shop will make it!! The problem is they want 5-6 times what the running engine is worth!!☺

[@marshallman1au]

Have a look at the 3D printing on Leno's garage RK ..... They scan the object then CNC ..... That's the way restoration will go in the future ..... :)

[@baggd65]

What did your buddy Rob say about that crank? I can fix that. And he can. HaHa

[@805ROADKING]

Yeah That's the first place we took it!! It's just way too expensive to fix or make a new one!!☺

[@stephenwallbank615]

What cars has John got?

[@805ROADKING]

1930 Oakland and a 1953 Studebaker Stakebody with 30K miles on it!!☺

[@combatmedic1980]

Hey guys, try this SUPER penetrating , rust busting solution, you can make cheap. mix 50/50 acetone and any type ATF and shake it up and put that in the cyl or around the skirts and then see what happens

[@805ROADKING]

I've used that before, it's tough to get anything around the piston the way this is designed!!☺

[@combatmedic1980]

I was thinking to put it on the backside instead of pushing it out with grease, it should flow around the piston

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Used this caluclator for a 6" cylinder with 150 PSI put on it = 4241 LBS www.baumhydraulics.com/calculators/cyl_calc.htm

[@rw3dog]

I can't wait to see that grease zerk. I am going to try that on my Stozer KA like you told me to do. I have a video that has a 6hp headless Witte in it. It sounds so nice. Check this out around 3:30 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4S2ZY1qpciZjNU

[@805ROADKING]

Make sure you film the Stover, should be interesting!!☺