Until Valhalla | Viggen Vs Mirage F-1 Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@debbiestimac5175]

You sent him to Valhalla for sure at 9:33. What is worse than spider falling into your lap while driving your car in the summer? A live cannon round in your cockpit... delivered by Growling Sidewinder and Sven!

[@OperatorMustang51]

Viggen vs everything

[@Miguelcooldude777]

F-35C vs F/A-18 super Hornet when??!

[@wolfbleue4920]

there is nothing interesting.. the mirage does not beat it, it only passes in front of you like prey to do this killed.. while it is much better 🤦

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

The viggen's always been good, it's twice the plane compared to it's competition: 2 sets of wings, 2 sets of guns, 2 crew members (pilot & engineer)

[@bazejs8084]

Fighter variant JA-37 would be even better in pure air combat.

[@suomi1483]

@@bazejs8084 I really want the ja37d which I believe carried amraams. But saab is saab

[@zooweemama911]

I can’t help but think Sven is a crappy crew member compared to R2D2. At least R2 doesnt drink Svedka and fall asleep in the engine.

[@zloychechen5150]

and a reverse gear

[@somefuckstolemynick]

@@zooweemama911 funny thing is that Svedka vodka isn’t really a thing we have in Sweden.

[@soldcamilo88]

Most damage dealt: GS Most G's pulled: Shotgun MVP: Sven

[@tinglydingle]

The Viggen is and always has been a monster in a one-circle for about two merges before it runs out of energy and never gets it back.

[@jonathanrigley981]

Awesome content as always, was pleasantly surprised to see how capable the Viggen is in a gun fight

[@mro9466]

Well, it's pretty useless unless your opponent does everything to cross your path...

[@sinxsideways5900]

@@mro9466 false lmfao

[@Nyx_2142]

@@mro9466 Cope.

[@traindudesink1804]

“Controls feel funny why is…” *looks over right shoulder and wing is on fire/missing* “Oh that’s why”

[@JETZcorp]

Both planes are underpowered, but the Wiggen is just made of wing area. A lot of delta aircraft were not made for dogfighting but were very good at it anyway. The F-102 and 106 were intended to fly like a Concorde but could out-turn the F-4.

[@jaxastro3072]

Would be really cool if they added the JA37C/D Jaktviggen. More powerful engine, onboard gun and other improvements to make it more of a fighter than the AJS-37. Feel like the 37D would be really cool as it fired Swedish AMRAAMs and had a prototype Gripen cockpit. Would be pretty sweet to fly I feel

[@burningpotato9447]

I would love the "century" series of planes in dcs, F100,f102,f104,f106

[@kilianortmann9979]

@@jaxastro3072 AFAIK 37D is unfortunately highly classified, exactly because of the Gripen elements. I hope we get the Draken though, that thing could turn, even do a cobra.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

Lift area go brrrrr

[@hungarianlad9734]

Bro everything can out turn the F-4 thing is far asf

[@ryanplunkett3309]

Man idk if I expected to dogfight well but the Vigen is definitely one of my all time favorites to look at. Such a unique, cool looking fighter.

[@castlebravo1599]

"contols feel a little funkey" *looks back* "oh that is why..." Another classic GS quote

[@GM-fh5jp]

Loving the bright tracer rounds. So much easier to guide onto target and much more intimidating to your enemy. I half expected a "Hold things together back there, Sven" from you during those compressor stalls. He did well and clearly graduated from the R2D2 advanced engineering school for backseaters.

[@evangalinsky2499]

Would be better if this was the Ja-37C or D, sadly we only have the AJS

[@An0beseGiraffe]

It's gonna be a great day when we see things like the JA variant of the Viggen or even the J35 Draken

[@jamesyak52]

Id kill for the Draken!

[@kalebbryant710]

@@jamesyak52 Same that would be awesome to see

[@luispalma6917]

I also die for the Draken. There is a misconception about the Viggen being an atack platform, it was designed as an interceptor and later repurposed. Search the story of a Viggen intercepting an SR-71. While the Mirage F-1 was designed as a multirole.

[@_YellovvJacket_]

@@luispalma6917 No, the viggen was designed as a strike airrcraft and repurposed into an interceptory not the other way around. The air to ground version entered service in 1971, the interceptor/ fighter version did not see service until 1978; 7 years during that time in aircraft development was quite a lot.

[@smogdanoff7053]

There is a J35J in the making:)

[@erikcharter5929]

AAAAAAAAAA! The Viggen is one of my fav modules in the sim so it's always nice to see vids of you behind the stick of one! And of course your ever faithful companion Sven! XD Good fights! And also damn that last kill! 30mm right into poor Shotguns face!

[@cloudforest4087]

The calmness that comes when the engine stalls.

[@MKRocker2012]

The AJS-37 was never meant for BFM, but that doesn't mean it can't do it. It's actually very capable if you can end the fight quickly (otherwise Sven will have his work cut out for him). I've actually done dogfights with my friend where he flies the Tomcat and I'm in the Viggen, and I've won. Granted, we both suck, but yeah.

[@robsonfujii461]

Hell yeah, I called it!!! I was missing Sven. Now I want F-5 vs F-1.

[@vczs]

Viggen enjoys the delta wing, good AoA at slower speeds and good one circle performance for a brief time. This one obviously has a huge weakness in the shape of compressor stall but it's still capable of dogfighting inferior aircrafts. JA-37 would have a field day in the same scenario.

[@bazejs8084]

Fighter variant JA-37 would be great, and it fits perfectly for the new Kola Peninsula map.

[@peterweller8583]

Yah it would be nice to up engine and let Sven get some sleep.

[@Jorkuuu]

I don't know why but the Sven part absolutely killed me for 10mins straight.

[@Esork1]

Love this channel. The low key jokes GS slings during videos leave me cracking up. Sven LOL

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I’m glad people here get my subtle jokes I leave in videos here or there, lots of people miss them but some people get them and that’s worth it.

[@runningfortherestofus7812]

Some say the Viggen was the first gen 4 fighter. Close coupled canards allowed high AOA that influenced future fighters. They did well working with a modified commercial engine not originally designed for combat. Originally designed as multi role platform. Great video showing how it was underestimated.

[@eb3yr]

Could we please see the viggen VS the F-4 Phantom? It'd be really interesting to see how that fight could go. And also to that "Is the viggen actually good?", I'd say yea. the JA 37 is probably far more capable with the upgraded radar, access to skyflashes, and newer engine which had more thrust and was less likely to compressor stall. The later JA 37s especially, with countermeasures. Overall it's a pretty nifty plane IMO, and it'd be awesome to see the fighter variants in DCS.

[@aleski6506]

F4 has no chance against fighter variant

[@WalterWhite-gw3vm]

Man those rounds hit directly into the cockpit in round 4

[@christianm1533]

Viggen gun in the JA-37 (Oerlikon KCA) uses the same shell to what's used in the Gau-8/A avenger in the A-10. If you think the Mirage-2000 30mm is a badass, the Viggen round is 50% heavier.

[@trainedwarrior502]

The Viggen in DCS is an AJS-37, which I believe uses the same 30mms as the Saab 35 Draken, hence the gunpods. The 30mm you’re talking about is mounted under the JA-37 to the left of centerline. I do wish DCS would include that version in the module.

[@jaxastro3072]

@@trainedwarrior502 Yeah the gun he is speaking of is the one on the JA37, the ones on the AJS-37 are ADEN gunpods

[@aleski6506]

@@trainedwarrior502 M55 are the draken/aj37 guns M75 is the oerlikon

[@Quantiad]

“Is the Viggen actually good in a dogfight?” Sometimes you just have to take credit for your gunnery. Oh, and Scotty is… Scottish, not Irish!

[@hoilst]

Sven's a damn sniper!

[@VigilanteAgumon]

It depends on the actor. James Doohan was Canadian, and Simon Pegg is English. Martin Quinn, however, is Scottish.

[@Quantiad]

@@VigilanteAgumon It doesn't. Scotty is a character, not an actor. The character is Scottish.

[@redpilot6388]

The Viggen is a tactical multirole fighter. It can intercept, dogfight, fly low,fly high, strike targets, has STOL capability. It used a huge (for the time) low bypass turbofan (JT8D) that would allow it to climb and accelerate quite well. The F1 on the other hand has a very weak turbojet, that does not suit the plane well. Also, you seem to be having problems with engine stalls and AOA in many planes. Don;t be so aggressive with the stick. If the plane does not like it, ease off a bit. Let it breathe.

[@CMBelite-FR]

It’s just the pilot I think in this fight, he could have beaten that pilot even if he was on a F35 lmao

[@razvanmazilu6284]

I'm not sure I would call the Viggen a multirole fighter, at least not in the modern sense. You didn't have a single version that was good at multiple types of missions, instead the Viggen had dedicated variants: attack variant with limited air to air capability, air to air variant with some ground attack capability, reconnaissance variant, sea strike variant. It reminds me in this way of another one of its contemporaries, the Tornado, which had several specialized variants rather than being what we'd today consider true multirole capabilities.

[@redpilot6388]

@@razvanmazilu6284 Me? I never owned any Viggens. As for the multirole... the earlier versions of the 37 did have dedicated avionics for AA, AG or recon. With the advent of better electronics, all could be bound together in the AJS with the help of CK37. So yeah, it is a multirole platform. What do you think AJS stands for? Attack, Jakt, Spaning. The F35 is not the "only multirole" A/C FYI.

[@redpilot6388]

@@CMBelite-FR The pilot does make a huge difference. In the real world though, these planes were almost always used in groups, so the shortcomings of each would be mitigated.

[@razvanmazilu6284]

@@redpilot6388 no need to get testy, mate. I don't know where that F-35 remark came from, but you're gonna have a hard time making the case that the AJS 37 is a multirole fighter in any modern sense of the term when it doesn't even have an air intercept capable radar and only has basic WVR capabilities. Being able to fire a Sidewinder in air to air doesn't make you multirole. There's a reason why they had a separate upgrade from JA 37 to the JA 37D standard: that variant could actually do air to air well.

[@robertopiedimonte2078]

When I was a boy use to build many aircraft models and I had both Viggen & Draken. I was impressed by reverse trust of J37 but was attracted by J35 looking at it from all sides trying to convince myself is no good as I know from all my reading. I ended loving the McDonald Douglas planes F-15 & F-18 both more in two seats variant and obviously the F-14. Indeed I need decades to appreciate how it looks the F-16. Now I love all "teen" aircrafts, then I used my Draken as second generation of Vipers from "Battlestar Galactica" cause of the "Space" look. Bye Freedom everyone P.s.: I had to wait till Mirage 2000 to like Delta wing because F-102/F-106/Mirage III/Mirage 4000 were beautiful as A-6/A-7. I find a real beauty the F-5 Freedom Fighter but having a T-38 too I considered it a trainer, to much similar.

[@robertmasseyiii3720]

I freaking love your content! Keep it up! Would love to see you do a complete mission one of these days of course with LongShot and Shotgun as your wingman. Take off, IP, tgt, egress, and landing. Of course multi-role lol Thank you for what you do!

[@walpolescrew]

1:55 “He’s dead!” >add psycho-villain laugh here

[@orzorzelski1142]

Unlike Jester, Sven always does his best.

[@jeronharmon2403]

Even in older videos the Viggen was a beast as long as you did not stall.

[@jonnyj.]

Its sad we dont have the ja-37 variant of the viggen. Its an absolute BEAST in a dogfight. The delta wing with the canards are excellent for slow speed high aoa stuff, which is why the eurofighter, rafale and griffin all use it. It was originally used on the viggen for short take off and landing, so it makes sense. The compressor stalls would also completely go away with the ja with additional engien thrust, and it has a digital fbw system BEFORE the f16, which used an analogue system until block 40.

[@HibikiKano]

The Mirage F1 was a scaled down plane designed alongside the planned Mirage F2. Mirage F2 was supposed to be a somewhat multipurpose fighter/ground attack. While Mirage F1 was a cheap interceptor. F2 ultimately came up again in a variable wing Mirage G multirole prototypes.

[@kahlrhoam6769]

I’m digging the Vigg’s plush ‘70s Stoner Van Green’ seat there. Good video! 👏

[@friedbananadoesgames]

I will never miss a GS video (thank you Sven for working hard on GS's J37 viggen really appreciated)

[@davidwildberger6656]

its about time you did this!!

[@walpolescrew]

3:52 >add psycho-villain laugh here< “Got’em!”

[@Appreciation-Community]

Man your videos are so good they made 10 minutes feel like 2.

[@randycarruth5908]

A big thanks to sven for his extensive experience in percussive maintenance

[@nomedigaasi]

You read my mind-this is a match I wanted to see! Thanks!

[@KjekkasAron]

nice vid, really interesting fight between these to aircraft.

[@tombstone4362]

He beats the motor with a wooden clog

[@StormBat]

Ask Sven if I can go on a summer holiday! Great vid mate. Cheers!

[@mikelagaffe]

sometimes on those kills like the first one, i would LOVE to see the "bandit's" outside view perspective. the rounds coming in, the hits on the fuselage, the subsequent loss of control. it all happened so fast, and so low close to the ground 😵‍💫

[@stephenfowler5699]

That was more than a nick. Two solid hits with either a 27 or 30 mm cannon.

[@csjrogerson2377]

The Viggen was designed as a multi-role a/c with emphasis on A to G. As a Mach 2 a/c it took on interceptor roles later. The Mirage F1 was also designed as an interceptor and GA a/c with the F1CE being an interceptor, but their differing design solutions have led to different attributes. Sven did well, but a bigger hammer might help to prevent the shut-downs. Notice how the F1 only killed you when you had no engine - typical Frog.

[@OrionSeas]

Thank goodness for Sven, the Swede who grew up in Ireland and speaks with a Scottish accent.

[@jedieduforce]

Nice storytelling. Always fun to hear you

[@whylie74]

all that WW2 flying really helps with those deflection shots.

[@havocmwf]

Scotty was supposed to be of Scottish heritage, although an American trying to act with a Scottish accent may sound like an Irish accent to some. Great vid as always.

[@Ghoster311]

The actor was Canadian but yeah the character is Scottish.

[@seyyedalirezamostafaei8976]

After seeing lots of videos of your dogfight I realized the airplane does not matter It's mostly about the pilot sitting in there Nice job bro, Keep shine

[@hazbear01]

I think it's wierd how they've done a ground attack Viggen but not the air defence version. It would be interesting to see how it does with built in 30mm cannon, Sky Flash and Sidewinders instead of gun pods.

[@KirkDammett]

Dude these vids just keep getting better and better! Props! :) Request 11 of 13: GS in the F/A-18C vs a buddy in the Mustang or Spitfire!

[@Easy-Eight]

Try an F-104 against the Mirage F1. BTW, if worse goes to worse then try a Brewster Buffalo.

[@whiteprivilege4469]

The JA 37( C, D, DI upgrade/variants) introduced in 1979 was a fighter-interceptor opposed to the AJ 37. It rocked the Ericsson PS 46/A radar which could support the RB-71 Skyflash medium range AAM.

[@manfredimiconi4053]

I've always considered Viggen superior to F-1. Nice to see that there was something real.

[@mandoctor7721]

Now I want to see the Viggen taking on F-16 and F-14. Looks like it's way stronger than the mirage.

[@mr.z6252]

This Jet Fighter Designer must've loved Vegetable so much, that's Why he Named it Viggen

[@Govenator180]

Another aeesome video GS! Appreciate the content and channel. Great work.

[@timsullivan4566]

"OMG, Is the Viggen actually really good?" LOL!

[@JAEUFM]

Now that I have pondered it, give Sven extra wrenches. He could throw them at your opponent, might cause damage, even to into their engine,..never know.

[@paristo]

Just think what happens if DCS gets proper damage modeling and fragmentations, as hitting an enemy front of you means you likely fly to air stream where you get FOD because all the metal you made to come out of that target. No more low level bombing as likely you die to fragments from own bombs. Requirement to get proper alignment for guns as you don't want to fly through such area where other was just exploding...

[@easetheweeb]

9:35 that 30mm went into the pilot's chest holy shit would not want to see that cockpit after the crash

[@yummylemons7765]

I love your vids man

[@Pizzapleaze]

Sven is a Swedish guy who grew up in Ireland, and yet somehow has a Scottish accent. what a doozy!

[@lovehawks2814]

Am I the only one who saw the video title and immediately thought "Sven!" with joyful glee?

[@wilsonspicher6690]

The mirage f1 was designed due to the limited agility of mirage 3 and was built to lose energy slower

[@simtaylor61]

There is more than one version of the Viggen. They DID make and use a fighter version of the aircraft. This is just the strike version that is modeled

[@spaceduck2130]

That F1 aggressor livery looks so cool.

[@DAvvvisss]

Bro you have such great video ideas

[@ftorresgamez]

"The controls feel a little funky." Famous last words 🙂

[@tcox4508]

You make dogfighting look seamless and easy

[@StefanoZibell]

I'd be onboard with the fighter variant of the Viggen.

[@tarpnarp]

Sven was adopted by a Scottish couple and raised in Ireland that explains the Scottish accent

[@Ankhobo]

Man, Sven's really earning that pay check.

[@kensakali9298]

Back 5 days later and I'm still laughing at sven's expense

[@CharlieThunder24]

The controls feel a little funky *sees wing on fire* Oh that's why I laughed so hard at that

[@AH6man]

I love the Viggen. I heard that the Saab also made a variant with a different engine that solved the compressor stall issue. Can anyone confirm?

[@Skracken]

Correct, they made a fighter variant of the plane with an improved engine among many other things. The one GS is flying here is the ground attack variety of the plane

[@tigerpjm]

No engine is ever gonna fix that ugly...

[@trainedwarrior502]

@@tigerpjm I thought the Viggen was ugly at first too but it has grown on me.

[@_YellovvJacket_]

Yeah, the fighter version (JA-37 ... opposed to this being the AJ-37) has an engine with less compressor stall issues, and more thrust, it also features a high velocity 30mm cannon below the fuselage opposed to the rather low vecloity ADEN gunpods the AJ has, and better missile armament (afaik up to 6 AMRAAM on later versions).

[@tigerpjm]

@@trainedwarrior502 It's in the eye of the beholder! The first time I saw one was actually a cardboard cut-out on the back of a cereal box when I was a kid. I thought it was as cool as all get-out. The wings are the opposite! Cool! But, yeah, to my eye it isn't very pretty. But then again, I think the MiG-21 is one of the coolest looking planes ever, so make of that what you will!

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

Well done Sven... although I think you should consider giving him a fire extinguisher as well as a wrench. lol

[@christoney2491]

Forget what anyone says, Scotty probably came from Ireland! LOL "We'll fix that in post. Oh, wait. That *WAS* post? Oooops."

[@yann8113]

"the controls are a bit clunky. ... oh, that's why." XD

[@stephenfowler5699]

The canard configuration of the contributes quite a bit to it's manueverability.

[@razvanmazilu6284]

I was expecting a bit more from the Mirage F1 considering it was against the ground attack version of the Viggen. I imagine the air to air version of the Viggen, the JA 37, would eat the F1 for breakfast. Especially the JA 37D which had upgraded avionics and AMRAAMs.

[@DanielCPhillips]

3/4 wins to the Viggen - " Is the Viggen actually good?' - I think the answer is 'Hell, yes!"

[@kevint1911]

How about a series of unlikely Dog fights between ground attack planes? Viggen vs. A-4, Viggen vs Frogfoot, A-10 vs. viggen and so on…..

[@sinxsideways5900]

Not fair at all

[@daniellauck9565]

I think in the last round, you score a headshot in the Mirage´s pilot!

[@Spaz1NOuT]

The Viggen is very formidable but in DCS its the fact that its the Early viggen with the RM8 which had compressor issues rather then the RM9 engine which didnt.

[@Spaz1NOuT]

It would also help if it was the JA37 Interceptor Viggen and not the AJ37 the ground attack Viggen

[@tsukemono1]

"This is a joke" LOL!

[@captainicelander3898]

Uncle Buck style backfire! Gotta luv it! lol

[@BenedictTanShanWen]

Swedish guy, grew up in Ireland... with a Scottish accent.

[@jakeedmonds3625]

I’m glad to know that Sven grew up in Ireland

[@maitreytelang2312]

Hi GS, absolutely love you content. Just wanted to suggest a video where Su-30 MKI and Rafael face off against the J-16 and J-20.

[@CookieMonster-nt8hh]

Im a simple gal. I see Viggen, I click. what a lovely plane

[@darrenfinnerty3872]

Saab(the car company) made a 9-5 viggen special edition a tribute to their fighter program viggen means thunderbolt.....

[@williamstilgoe61]

Fabulous as always

[@Mako-sz4qr]

Never knew that about the viggen and spent funny as hell listening to him whining and banging lol !

[@johnhermann5882]

*sigh* If only they would include the JA 37D... or, better yet, the -DI version... Another great video. The Viggen is one of my all-time-favorites.. Behind the F-14 (of course)

[@Kingonads]

The Mirage F1 was designed to be a low cost easy to use and maintain single engine fighter. It is extremely easy to fly when compared to other high speed fighters of the era. And seeing as that Viggen would have been most likely dead LONG before it ever got to the merge, it wouldn't have had to deal with the issues that the Viggen can cause.

[@jaek__]

If it was the JAS37 variant then I would care to say that the mirage would be the dead one before the merge.

[@hemendraravi4787]

hes using the ground attacker variant of the viggen here the aj37 , there is the ja37 which gets a good pd radar , which was know to lock sr72s , skyflashes , it can carry 2xskyflash n 4x ir guided missiles , ja37 will easily beat mirage f1 in both wvr n bvr , later variants of viggen such as ja37d can carry aim120

[@Rokaize]

@@hemendraravi4787 Would it though? The viggen has literally no combat experience. Where as the f1 does. And was successful in most of the conflicts it was used in. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from considering one of the planes never saw action.

[@tylerryan2015]

The Mirage F1 was a interceptor and ground attack aircraft and was not made for dogfighting

[@emiljohansson8435]

"Sven...." now that is funny.. :)

[@brianwright9514]

I actually figured that would be a better fight than it turned out to be.

[@nacho71ar]

Easy to mix up Viggen variantes... AJ 37 is indeed an strike fighter for ground roles, but the JA 37 is a fighter/interceptor. F1s on the other hand were built as interceptors (can't say more without know which variants were actually played...)