F-16C Viper Vs Mirage 2000C DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com Thank you for watching guys, got an idea for another video? Comment them in the comment section below and I'll see what I can do. Much Love and Take care.

[@maitreytelang2312]

Hey GS, love your content. Just wanted to suggest a video of Su-30 MKI and Rafale Vs F-16 and JF-17. Or maybe just a Su-30 MKI Vs Rafale engagement.

[@AdamWalkLikeSuicide]

That last round was absolutely epic!

[@TheRealVranesh]

Any chance on a video about kaman 99 operation? Also awesome flying :)

[@flyingcactus1953]

GS, please do the long anticipated F-35 vs Mig-31

[@trumanhw]

Honestly, the 2nd round was kind of frustrating. I didn't understand (at ALL) why you did anything you did. YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHASE HIM TO THE DECK and do what he wants ... it was like you wanted to lose.

[@tombradscott]

as an aircraft maintainer i can confirm how hard it is to swap an engine in flight.

[@MisterLongShot_Official]

In a dog fight, falling out of the sky, under 10k feet of altitude, no less. That F16 had to have the best maintainers in the world.

[@tombradscott]

Especially in combat

[@cmw12]

Need an R2 unit.

[@SupaMan2122]

Lost some respect for DCS there, shouldn’t have been able to maintain energy after fire to engine/engine damage

[@jpteknoman]

@@SupaMan2122 probably desync. the shots hit the damage registered and then the serves said "nah, it didn't hit lets roll back the damage"

[@chroma_aus]

Hey GS, not sure if you know but the Mirage has a predictive gunsight mode that you can turn on beneath the HUD. All it does is give you a shoot cue when the shots are likely to land, but it's super helpful when you're already pulling lead and want to fire immediately without waiting for the circle to catch up.

[@AH6man]

GS luck: hits opponents engine and it catches fire… fire goes out and engine preforms flawlessly. Also GS luck: gets hit in his wingtip… loses engine, avionics, and all control over aircraft.

[@Kaiju3301]

9:40 Never underestimate the power of Sven in the the back banging on the engine with a hammer to get it going again.

[@delta9990]

Nah he swapped it entirely Sven is getting better every fight 💪

[@ryanplunkett3309]

I think in the Viper it would be Steven

[@schhhh]

the hero that we don't deserve, but the hero that we need

[@a64dx86]

This need explaination; who is Sven and wtf does this meme mean?

[@gunpo3644]

@@a64dx86 The viggen is known for its compressor stalls when doing low speed high AoA maneuvers. When that happens, repeated bangs from the engine can be heard. It became a meme that those bangs are made by sven banging his hammer to get the engine working. Ofc, thats not true.

[@cakeadventure8412]

6:54 *Very edge of mirage wingtip touched* Avionics fail, engine fire, uncontrollable flight. Ah yes very sturdy airframe

[@romeroremor]

I never knew the F-16 came with an R2 unit.

[@Looscannon94]

Imagine living in one of those houses that they're circling around 40 ft off the ground lmao

[@lucaschapman1966]

Would be fantastic until I soiled myself

[@m0rvidusm0rvidus18]

The Iraqis got to experience that when they were being bombed for freedom.

[@Looscannon94]

@@lucaschapman1966 Right. It'd be a dream come true and completely terrifying at the same time

[@evangalinsky2499]

Man, I just wish we had the modernized M2K's like the 2000-5 or 2000-10. Also lol, hits your wingtip, kills your engine and avionics.

[@schhhh]

magical bullets

[@phillm156]

Only the tracers are visible. There’s one tracer for every five normal rounds.

[@gunpo3644]

@@phillm156 Also, a majority of those shots are high explosive fragmentation shells so when they hit, they explode and shrapnel around.

[@sirbader1]

Spall man, spall.

[@c.shannon3914]

He hit the all important wingtip self destruct button lol

[@leeh9420]

I love that he's trying to take shots as he's going down...

[@Cheiron19]

That last great act of defiance!

[@charlie7mason]

@@Cheiron19 I definitely pictured him like throwing his fist to the clouds as he went down.

[@rangerrick8220]

Yup - never give up! Right to the bitter end!

[@kalebbryan4012]

"1 Minute Ago" damn that algorithm hitting

[@kineticdeath]

a quick call to tech support had that engine issue fixed up in no time, give them a 5 star review for that

[@1414Kai]

Your opponent was hella good. Iam honestly impressed. On a sidenote: i figured longshot doesnt appear in your videos as often, when are we gonna see him again fighting you? this was always my favorite videos, given you both have different but aggressive playstyles, giving us lots to see.

[@WigSplitters]

What? All the pilot of the f16 has to do is just force a 2 circle, especially if fox 2s are not used

[@psyspin]

A gritty HAF M2000 flawlessly forcing 1-cycle and taking out an F-16...like a true Greek pilot :D

[@musaberen1359]

🇹🇷🪖 "Ama öndekine çakabilirim!"

[@PatrasPhantom]

@@musaberen1359 Cry

[@musaberen1359]

@@PatrasPhantom sana bi küfür ederim, bak bir küfür ederim nefes alamazsın ha

[@psingh007]

😂😂😂

[@psingh007]

Turks triggered.. porkies also

[@delta9990]

Man Sven did a really good job replacing that f16 engine gj bro 👌👍

[@gunpo3644]

He getting good

[@CastawayHikes]

That dramatic kill music always gets me 🤣

[@pushing2throttles]

I can't remember if I've previously requested this or not, but I would really appreciate if you would pay homage to the F-8 Crusader; the last gunfighter! Vietnam pilots loved this dogfighter, and I would be so fascinated with a growling sidewinder dogfight in that beast! I loved the viper-mirage fight! so good!

[@katherinespezia4609]

You're gonna have to wait a few years before it makes it to DCS.

[@TheDoof1]

I'd buy that module.

[@Lemon9234]

Great vid as always GS. Given all the Viper stuff lately, you’ve shown how to “persistence hunt” with 2-circle tactics. I’d love to see a more like this video, showing how to press 1-circle attacks. Things like offset turn circles, or other techniques to counter a competent rate-fighting opponent that won’t just overshoot and allow 1-circle reversal opportunities. Would love to see some Hornet, too.

[@twrandy]

I think any delta wing fighter should always avoid going into a circular dogfight with a high thrust/weight ratio conventional config fighter

[@maitreytelang2312]

Hey GS, love your content. Just wanted to suggest a video of Su-30 MKI and Rafale Vs F-16 and JF-17. Or maybe just a Su-30 MKI Vs Rafale engagement.

[@gunpo3644]

a 2v2 with those planes? That would certainly be interesting to watch

[@maitreytelang2312]

@@gunpo3644 Istg man.

[@sharequsman596]

@@gunpo3644 If the rafael has meteor and the su30 has the r77 it will be a easy clap for rafael.su30 stands ni chance

[@Raz.C]

Maybe he shut down the engine, which killed the fire, then he restarted the engine? I mean, as a pilot, that's exactly what you'd want to do if you had a fire in your only engine (not that I'm a pilot, though my best mate is).

[@Pman353]

Or he used the fire suppression system

[@Raz.C]

@@Pman353 But you CAN do that in DCS. You can shut down an engine and you can start an engine.

[@silkywilky7913]

Was the fire suppressed by a lower altitude air pressure?

[@Pman353]

@@silkywilky7913 I don’t think DCS takes altitude into effect in regards to the damage model

[@RailgunRiot]

Hey GS, great video as always! Just wondering what specifically makes an aircraft a better one circle or better two circle fighter. It seems to me being able to turn quickly while maintaining energy is the important thing in both types of fights, but I know I’m missing something. Thanks!

[@jakethesnake9621]

Might be like how much AoA it can pull, aircraft with more AoA are gonna get nose on first and have less energy retention and better slow speed control therefore one circle type, the opposite applies to the two circle aircraft, correct me if I’m wrong I believe that’s how it works

[@chacetiger58]

Higher roll rate also makes for a better 1 circle fighter as you’ll be needing it to get sharp turns in scissors

[@Registered_Simp]

Generally aircraft with higher degrees of nose authority and stability at high angles of attack are good 1-Circle fighters as they can typically cut into opponents turn circles, trading rate speed for a tight radius and instant agility. Aircraft that like to maintain their speed even at high G-Forces are generally very good 2-Circle fighters as they generally have a high rate speed which allows them to work over an opponent while staying out of reach for weapons employment (usually guns)

[@bleakambition495]

In a one circle fight, each pilot is fighting to stay behind the other, the tighter the turn radius the better, because both planes are both moving in the same relative direction, in a two circle, it’s about catching their tail, so it’s about how fast you can come around a circle.

[@jpteknoman]

to use car terms, one circle fights are a drift competition, 2 circle fights are a NASCAR race.

[@Blind_Hawk]

The last fight was incredible. The Mirage is a potent fighter against the Viper, but also hard to maintain the upper edge onto the enemy.

[@akwild83]

It's awesome you do a lot of these videos with the F-16, the viper is my all time favorite fighter

[@702BattleBorn]

Yo GS, It is great to see you switch up the platforms you take to the sky. Educational, entertaining, and cinematic with great musical score. Have a great weekend. Cheers

[@djpuggs7287]

Hey, I had a pretty dumb idea for a dog fight. It would be quite funny to see the F-15 vs the Mig 15.

[@rodneypayne4827]

It would be interesting, the Mig is a slippery, small turn fighter. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mig could stay on the tail of the Eagle at will at slow speeds ( for the Eagle at least).

[@jeffclarke1694]

that one was a really cool exchange, props to you and your worthy opponent

[@kangsterizer]

that f16 trying to shoot the mirage as hes circling down in flames with one wing left, legend lol. even came close!

[@kennydee8296]

I have been waiting for this one, actually my two all time favorite aircraft, big tick of approval ✅

[@yaseen157]

You do a great job of following commenter feedback (or you're very good at predicting what we're thinking)! I almost felt like I knew this video was coming

[@nickschultheis9590]

Awesome vid as always. Would love to see some 5th gen BVR fights. And more 2 morons videos please.

[@thelovacluka]

🤣

[@dustinmccrindle343]

Bring back the morons! 👌😜❤️👍

[@nickschultheis9590]

You got somthing to say to me?

[@jamesp8164]

I wonder if 5th gen bvr fights would tend to go to visual range. 5th gen fighters have a hard time seeing each other with radar which would seem to point to merges and dogfights.

[@nickschultheis9590]

Probably but it would still be interesting to see. Good way to compare stealth aspects as well as radar capabilities.

[@KirkDammett]

That awesome feeling when you just finished yesterday's video, only to see that today's was just posted! 😸

[@DigitalPetrol]

Thanks for another fun video!

[@nenadpetkovski1563]

And of course, this fight was somewhere over the Aegean sea... 😁

[@foxco2378]

Great Vid Brother. Ive had DCS since the beginning just dont have time, got the A10c P51 KA52 one day be and Get all these new Aircraft! lol!!!

[@MeMyselfI_69]

No disrespect to the other pilots in the video but it seems like you are just a better pilot. We need two Growling Sidewinders in videos like this ;-)

[@Jet-Pack]

I would love to see some action in the mountains, some tactics how to use the terrain to your advantage

[@cloudforest4087]

Great to see different planes.

[@Blablablabla1ify]

Dear Mr Sidewinder. Could you please consider making videos of some of the missions available for the modules, would be nice to have your skill as a guide!

[@Fox3-Luck]

Great Vid, GS!

[@__-fm5qv]

Ooh now this should be an interesting fight! "he got a spare engine in there? He swapped it out?" I bet it was Sven, he has magical ways with engines, doesn't even need to be in the aircraft!

[@victorshikhman]

That last kill, he was still shooting rounds off trying to clip you each time his one winged out of control viper spun in your direction :)

[@jojoafb116]

I'm sure this has been asked but, as I have not tried DCS yet. Do you have to restart each fight from the ramp, calibrating the INS, the weapons, engine start and taxi takeoff?

[@isaacwest]

in that 3rd fight, i have no clue how you managed to flip the script on the viper once you guys were on the deck in a rate fight but jesus that was beautiful to see.

[@Hangar-zu8xg]

He goes into the vertical to cut the circle in half. When he doesn't get the shot on the way down the viper reverses into the one circle because the mirage is at this point pretty fast. When the viper didn't win that first one circle, he didn't ditch out and kept trying, and the mirage is just going to win. He should have just ditched after he didn't make the shot.

[@vasilisconstantinides4476]

I have a lot of respect for the mirage, in a high altitude situation, against most adversaries, it would get its not nose around quicker post merge giving it first shot advantage, in a situation where it has missiles thats pretty deadly

[@vwiesner1]

Love your content! Looking to get a basic set up for dcs any recommendations would be appreciated!

[@Karza_357]

Long time since i have seen Mirage2000 on the channel. Would love to see more.

[@saturntechnologies1350]

great video as always

[@elemental8094]

I see mirage 2000 in a title, I click.

[@maamold]

I love how he was taking pot shots at you as he crashed in round three

[@Zaku_Phantom]

Hey Growling, what’s the name of orchestra song you used in the ending?

[@sniperswiper6923]

That first fight was awesome man, Hitting those shots you dont think will connect make you feel even better, love the content keep it up

[@b2tall239]

That was a total drive-by in round 2 by the Viper 😁

[@MrZeek1519]

Love the engine swap on the Viper. The pilot must have had Sven hanging off the tail swingin' a hammer to help out.

[@wilson4328]

I have fallen in love with this channel!

[@zackwaffen9210]

I like the editing on this one

[@jakepope8223]

I mean... You are SO good at F-16. You know the weaknesses.

[@krismurphy7711]

I like you opponent. Twice on the way down in flames, he STILL tried to gun you!!! NEVER GIVE UP!!

[@peterweller8583]

Had to watch it twice. Good fight.

[@Ankhobo]

9:25 Looks like Sven got himself transferred onto a Viper

[@donut6837]

I love the concept of an engine fire as if it’s not already on fire to work as a jet engine. I know what it means but it’s still funny to think about

[@datfeeshboi9526]

Bro I am building my pc for playing dcs in vr on Monday and apparently it has basicly identical specs. Kinda pog

[@officialgobbstopper]

I think a dogfight with f104 against mig 21 would be cool

[@The_Original_Brad_Miller]

Hunting Flankers in the mountains always makes for a nice change of pace, except this time You're in the flanker. We'll see if you can be sneekey boi lol

[@andriinetribiichuk53]

Please do F-35 BVR vid. Love the content as always

[@_Avtok]

Hey GS, just thought of a video suggestion. How effective is the reverse thruster on the viggen at forcing an overshoot? For a lackluster dogfighter it would be nice to know if it could make a one trick pony much like the cobra on the su33

[@gravitydood1554]

I believe reverse thrust only works when there's weight on the nose wheel of the plane meaning it cannot be used in flight.

[@TheCol111]

Pretty much what Gravity said. Its intended mainly to make the viggen more maneuvorable while on improvised runways like roads & shorten landing distance. There is no way to overide it in flight, it can only be "prepared" to activate the moment the nosewheel touches the ground.

[@starlingphoenix9683]

made me laugh with that joke about the wing :smile:

[@0xsirius1337]

Love the new thumbnail.

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

Hell of a first shot

[@RealRanti]

9:25 flying formation with you😂

[@sokratisbairaktaris6345]

AMAZING EVERY TIME!!!!!!!❤️

[@themadscientist8271]

What is the name of the song you played for the first splash

[@hankhill2831]

Hey what type computer do you recommend to start dcs on

[@stephenthompson5716]

What's the music you use? Love the channel!

[@encryptedaviation1452]

Hey Growling Sidewinder, I just started DCS today and I have a question, what does overshoot mean, I need an extremely simplified explanation because I can’t find or understand it anywhere else.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Overshoot is when you get the guy who is chasing you to go out in front so you can now kill him. That’s the most basic way I can explain that lol, hope it helped

[@longjohnpilsners7750]

9:30 it seems that the viper has a Sven of his own lol

[@luka4328]

great video

[@whalehands4779]

That engine was still in afterburner even after the second shot in the ass that killed him. Engine mechanic must have put God mode into that one.

[@wolfboylikesmetal]

I had that same flaming engine glitch fighting the viper recently guessing it must have come with the last patch.

[@shi_towndownsouth7736]

Can you start giving descriptions on the type of ammunition each aircraft uses (ex: incendiary, explosive, fragmentary, or just straight lead) and possibly the caliber? Only reason I ask is because in round two, you took out his engine with one round (from what I can see) and I want to know what type of ammunition the 2000 was using

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

It’s always HEI just with out without tracer

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

But ya I can try and remember the calibre, but general rule of thumb is American is often 20mm with the exception of the a10 and Russian is almost always 30mm with the exception of the mig15 I think maybe also the mig21 I’m not sure about the mig21

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

The mirage is using duel 30mm HEI

[@NotAlex00]

Would be interesting to see an A-10 v SU-25 dogfight using some good ole fox twos

[@M167A1]

Nice flight engineer on the 16

[@tmytyson]

I am once again requesting Battle of the Canards II: A 4-way fight between the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, JAS39 Gripen, and SU33 Flanker-D. May the best 'nard win.

[@vernonkuhns3561]

You nailed R2D2 the second time...

[@emmanueljavay7845]

Hi GS, thanks for the quality of your work ! From your videos, I don't understand the point of building aircrafts that are good in the one circle fight. I mean as soon as you've reached the deck, the fight seems to be lost. I don't see the tactical value of those aircrafts (and I'm french so we are known for our delta wings and 1 circle aircrafts). Can anyone tell me what's the reason to build those kind of aircrafts ? (except being at least decent when at slow speed, which to me a competent 2 circles aircraft pilot could easily counter)

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hi there, Thank you for watching. The 1 circle fighter excel in today's high off boresight fox-2 fights.

[@emmanueljavay7845]

@@GrowlingSidewinder makes sense now, thanks for your answer :)

[@kinch613]

Love the Delta wing design

[@jameskester7745]

They remind me of fying Doritos, lol, the classic wing is much better looking in my opinion

[@patrickbasin9389]

How about an F4 or Mig 23? I haven’t seen you fly those.

[@profo4544]

Slow and low, not a situation you wanna be flying a f-16 in.

[@aydincakiroglu1665]

Yeah that fight happens everytime in the Aegean.

[@arox4682]

Knk bu adam harbi iyi pilot o yüzden aldı

[@arox4682]

@Yoda (:

[@gaiofattos2]

Next time will be Rafale's vs Vipers in the Aegean.

[@adampawlicki6993]

"Time to die, iron eagle!!!"

[@hazmatx88]

Hey have you thought about joint operation engagements? Such as Russia and China vs nato engagements? Such as jf17, su-30 vs rafale, f-18.

[@erics8192]

Mirage 2000 "You may deal directly with me now, Growling Sidewinder" F16 "and you can deal with me, Doug Masters.........hey, damn it, the barrel roll didn't work!!!"

[@ianboys1000]

GOOD at 5.55 and 6.07! Fully agreed, although I think a horizontal turn away from him might be the way to go.

[@ianboys1000]

That final fight was art!

[@bozzyrl8957]

At the end of your videos, especially when doing the TacView, you should talk to whoever you flew against and kinda see what they were thinking during certain times in the fights. Could be interesting take on whats going through your opponents mind when trying to bait them into a slow 1 circle fight. Also if you've seen the latest Devotion trailer, theres a part where a MiG 15 dogfights 1 or 2 Corsairs. I know theyre coming to DCS so that could be an interesting video, or even use the P-51 in its place? Korean era dogfighting. Just a few thoughts. Anyways thanks for continuing with the amazing content!

[@notproplayer3649]

The mirage 2000 is an awesome dogfighter, the only irritating thing with it is the horrible gun sight, I personally think it is the worse radar assited gun sight we have in DCS for a 4th gen aircraft by a landslide.

[@thetbnrtitanium007]

Mirage vs. Flanker? Also which flanker excels at dogfighting more in your opinion?

[@arox4682]

Flanker

[@fuciguma2886]

EF2000/Rafale/gripen vs f16/mirage2000?

[@MoistGrundle]

I'm literally hollering WTF out loud right now, 10 min in. At least three 30mm rounds went in to the exhaust of that Viper... how??? Edit: got the kill tho. "Hope he doesn't have a spare wing..." lol

[@tsepheletseka5115]

I think the F-16's biggest weakness is the fact that it has just one engine. I mean, if you lose an engine on an F-16, that's it. It's over. Of course, the Mirage 2000 has the same weakness.

[@InterstellarTaco]

Wish the Kfir was in game. Same one circle performance but with a batshit crazy power to weight.

[@id0licious]

Kfir was just announced to be in development by a third party dev

[@InterstellarTaco]

@@id0licious I did not know that. Amazing